BS: New rules for the coming pandemic

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 09:38 AM

There was prepper buying at big box Costco stores best suited for stocking up but media is not showing it.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 09:33 AM

I have enough food to last for a while, but it's nice to know there are some benefits to being a hermit.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 09:31 AM

The main thing in hand sanitizer is alcohol. You can probably find some of that. (I don't think it's effective when taken internally.)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 08:50 AM

Forget two for one specials. Inventoy is low so there are TWO IN ONE specials.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 08:37 AM

pfr I will try to walk back the conspiratorial musings but what will it accomplish? Will it lessen a hatred of the powers that be that you already dislike/distrust?

Yes an outbreak is a media goldmine that keeps giving. Why wouldn't it be?

Our collective nature has a deny first quality. This happened in China first. Yes time and opportunities were lost. The same here.
The budget to fight and isolate outbreaks wasn't just decimated it was cut by a third. We seem to be in a CANCEL Culture.

I wrote right here 20 years ago of threats to civilization. There are many. I was critisized for doing so. Now Murdoch owns TV stations that always play end of world shows. But this is not the end of the world, Not even close.

Regarding bio weaponry the haunting question that was asked many times was 'what if we weaponied the common cold'? Nature does things better than man when it comes to DNA life or 'half alive' RNA.
It is possible we did it or nature did it. How will that help people of retirement age today?

What are the benefits of this outbreak? There are some. NOT Caring for the old and infirm does save money and resources like pushing grandpa out to sea on a ice flow.

It is of no use to investigate that now whether it is all unadultrated BULL SHIT or not..

I can't think of one thing a conspiracy theory will help except horror stories at night while camping.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 07:46 AM

Reusable body bags would be more eco-friendly and pro life...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 07:40 AM

No coughing while panic buying please. Would that be a bag for life?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 07:33 AM

I might nip into the local undertakers
to see if they start running any buy one get one free promotions,
if we book in advance...

I'm in the 60 - 70 risk group.. my mum is 87...

My mrs aint 60 just yet, so she's still young enough
to take care of the arrangements...

Coffin panic buying - I'd always be happier with a cheap disposable body bag anyway...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 07:18 AM

Crowd of about ten people in an otherwise quiet Bude Morrison's this morning, staring blankly like zombies at the stripped-bare hand-sanitizer shelf. I should have guessed when I saw 'em. It's started... [Note to self: Must panic-buy some Heinz beanz urgently...oven chips...fish fingers...]

I'm still panic-buying Prosecco, as it comes from the Veneto in northern Italy. D'you think I should spray the bottles with Dettox...? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 05:57 AM

At a time when we are spoiled for choice with internet conspiracy theories,
I wonder how we would deal with this if there had been a worldwide media blackout
regarding Corona...???


What if we the public had been protected from news which causes alarm and panic...???

Would we just face up to and deal with what we'd think as a very nasty worse than usual flu outbreak...???

Who knows, but decisions were made for whatever vested interests and hidden agendas
to make such a big media event of this...


It certainly seems to have put a lid on mass protests in Hong Kong, fer instance...???

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 05:48 AM

Iains said, "It does not require much to create supply chain dislocations, for whatever reason."

In Australia, after the prolonged drought, then bushfires and then floods, our supply chain is already in a very low state. The COVID19 issues may just be the tipping point for us.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 04:35 AM

Chatted with my sis on the phone yesterday, and she told me she's one among only five retired docs in her area with the necessary experience in ITU. She's ready to help if needed, and as she points out, it will be the 'frontline' employed docs who are at risk from infection and who will need replacing from the Oldies' Army.
She's remarkably strong and feisty for her age and I reckon she could do it. But it is worrying nevertheless.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 03:55 AM

Backwoodman you are correct. However the problem is numerical. Facilities for those with severe respiratory problems are very limited. If numbers infected developing complications spiral those facilities will be swamped.
Interesting how many passenger cancellations are occurring, leading to many grounded flights.
It is still too soon to predict how it will all pan out.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 03:49 AM

Those stats from a BBC reporter on ‘Breakfast’ this morning.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 03:37 AM

In the interests of balance and proportion - seasonal Influenza kills an average of 17,000 people per year in England alone (that’s England alone, not the entire UK - Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland ‘flu deaths aren’t included in that number), and around 500,000 - half a million - worldwide.

Covid-19 has a way to go, it would seem. Watch this space....

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 03:36 AM

From the gruniard. It must be right
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/03/scott-morrison-calls-for-calm-as-coronavirus-prompts-panic-buying-at-supermarkets

I noticed powdered milk was out of stock where I shop, also handgel and wipes.

Mormons are supposed to stockpile food for one year. Not a bad idea.
It is estimated that the meals in the United States travel about 1,500 miles to get from farm to plate. It does not require much to create supply chain dislocations, for whatever reason.
Lack of widgets from Wuhan is but the tip of the iceburg.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 02:32 AM

The WHO is still declaring coronavirus an epidemic.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 10:15 PM

Petty minded folks always seem to get disgusted the most...???

It's healthier to be sneered at than sneezed at...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 10:08 PM

Yep - my funny bone was tickled by your mushed up link, mg. LOL


widespread testing matters

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 10:00 PM

i hope this tickles your fhttps://www.theverge.com/2020/3/2/21161824/coronavirus-death-life-care-washington-testing-surveillanceunny bone.

what is very concerning is the high ratio of possible or suspected cases in a population both of elderly patients and working age staff.

I think sneering at this when people are dying is disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 09:44 PM

middle school game was in oregon i think but patient is in walla walla washington hospital.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 09:11 PM

Yes. Pandemic. Spreading rapidly where I live. Port towns, lots of travelers. Lots of sea traffic. Lots of air traffic. Homeless on buses will spread if they get it, and I have a handicapped brother who works in a homeless shelter. King County buying motel for people who have it and must be quarantined. Middle school basketball event somewhere in washington, confirmed case. School staff member in Oregon near Portland I believe a confirmed case. You can wait until you are totally sure you know what you are talking about, or you can report what you hear. Either way there are problems. The truth will be wrapped in a thousand rumers, but that is the way it always is. Our source of truth in USA is being tampered with. Word of mouth will get it wrong quite often, but also get it right. Like I said, if we waited until 100% sure of everything, spread would be probably ten times as high.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 07:51 PM

"rumor has it.. no idea if true or not.. another rumor.. something.. think.. may or may not.. under suspicion..."

yeahh.. we get the drift..

PANICDEMIC...!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 07:38 PM

rumor has it we have one locally. no idea if true or not. was another rumor a person a bit aways from here was traveling and got something. think entire fire crew of kirkland wa usa is quarantined because they visited the nursing home that may or may not have it. many patients and staff under suspicion.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 07:38 PM

rumor has it we have one locally. no idea if true or not. was another rumor a person a bit aways from here was traveling and got something. think entire fire crew of kirkland wa usa is quarantined because they visited the nursing home that may or may not have it. many patients and staff under suspicion.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 05:13 PM

6 deaths from Covid 19 in Washington State sugests 300 more with the virus but they report only 16 infections. Downplaying and filtering information is a terrible thing to do. Mr. Pense you are a bad man.
Of course a virtual inability to adequately test is the reason for the confusion.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 05:11 PM

Good one, pfr!!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 04:07 PM

pandemic.. panicdemic...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 03:42 PM

Mr Red. I never thought of that when I used the log-in tablet at the blood donation centre last week. I'll have to remember to use the hand sanitiser before and after I use it next time.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 03:27 PM

now that is pro active

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 03:25 PM

take your own wipes and wipe touchscreens, toilet handles, etc. yourself. I know there will be valid complaints from people with chemical sensitivities, but these items are or should be disinfected anyway. Use a standard brand. Anytime you are in a food place or store where they provide wipes, use those wipes. I ask the bus drivers if I can wipe down the handles and poles etcc. and they say yes. Wiped down some at church yesterday mostly outside rails

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 02:32 PM

I went to the dentist last week, log-in is a touch-screen. Doctor's is too (when you can get an appointment). &............

A friend asks the desk to log-in at the hospital, and despite remonstrations from the receptionist pointing at a machine, she asks "when it was last cleaned". She gets her way, playing the greycard!
I am going to use my smart phone dabber in future, and swab it as often as my hands.

Well? If you want to find a virus, the best place is where all the viruscated sufferers congregate. Hospital.

On the plus side, we should all try and pay with contactless debt (sic) cards. Lets face it, who disinfects cash?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 01:06 PM

Coronavirus COVID-19 has begun spreading in Australia. So, what happens now?

"As Australians are urged to stop shaking hands to reduce the coronavirus risk, authorities are now considering more extreme prevention measures such as bans on large gatherings."

Not shaking hands will be a difficult habit to break for some people. It's an automatic response for people in business or public office.

And, after I posted yesterday saying that I hadn't seen anyone wearing a face mask, I did see one person when I went to the shops later in the morning.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 12:15 PM

As of 9am this morning, 4 further patients in England have tested positive for COVID-19.

All 4 patients had recently travelled from Italy. The patients are from Hertfordshire, Devon and Kent. All are being investigated and contact tracing has begun.

The total number of confirmed cases in England is now 37. Following previously reported confirmed cases in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland, the total number of UK cases is 40.

My old school was shut today for at least a week after one teacher tested positive on Sunday. (never had that sort of luck when I was there, or my father)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 08:24 AM

Right now Axios is reporting a small part of the story but is still in the process of double sourcing. All they have now is a report to Washington from an inspector.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 06:11 AM

Due to a contamination of the Atlanta CDC location, no testing kits will be made there now. Whoops si daisy

when this comes out, sewerage will hit the ventilation system.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 04:36 AM

Dear mod, it's perfectly fine for you to delete posts. But do be kind enough to allow me to say that the stereotype about all Aussie men and beer that you appear to not want challenged is unjustified and untrue. I speak from first-hand experience of having visited Australia and having mixed with plenty of Aussie men. I'm pretty sure that if I came out with unjustified stereotyping of women you'd be down on me like a ton of bricks. Kindly reflect.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 06:41 PM

Iains posts are lately quite factual but fair and balanced.
I think Mossback has an internet personna thing happenin.

sneezing is not symptom

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 06:30 PM

Never let the facts get in the way of a good insult Mossback.

Your factual inadequacy is showing again.

SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome)

Geographical distribution

The distribution is based on the 2002–2003 epidemic. The disease appeared in November 2002 in the Guangdong province of southern China. This area is considered as a potential zone of re-emergence of SARS-CoV.


COVID19
• A pneumonia of unknown cause detected in Wuhan, China was first reported to the WHO Country Office in China on 31 December 2019.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 06:25 PM

And now Scotland has its first case, in Tayside (where my sister lives!). She'd better don a Hazmat suit and get to work.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 04:09 PM

My sister has just told me that the government is going to ask retired doctors who are trained in pulmonary procedures etc to come forward, don a Hazmat suit and do 24 hour shifts at their local hospital if/when the 'pandemic' strikes. She's a retired anaesthetist, so will be much in demand for this work, but it will be very tiring for her.

Also, her local church is considering not offering the chalice around during Communion, as most of the communicants are elderly and vulnerable.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 03:19 PM

Walky - yeah, I know, that sky channel is one of our favourites..
because of the two monthly sumo tournaments...

Fascinating nation, with more than it's fair share of disasters...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 03:05 PM

Sorry, typo: it should have read "but I think all Aussie males consume - or at least know about - a slab of beer."

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 03:03 PM

Slabs of beer are a very common animal downunder. Well it is here in the coal mining area historically populated by Welsh miners, but I think all Aussie males consume - or at least know what about - a slab of beer.

There has been excellent media coverage in Australia by the national ABC News - that's Australian ABC, not American.

One of the key points being emphasised is that the people who have died from COVID19 had prior health issues. This was the same with the SARS virus.

I have seen no panic buying here, and I have heard nothing about it in the media. I have seen no face masks here in Newcastle, although they may be being used in capital cities, and probably at airports etc.

Our first death was reported yesterday. It was a man who had been on the Diamond Princess cruise which was quarantined in Japan last month.

John Donne:

"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind;
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

Coincidentally, I just finished reading a book by Major Edward Dames and in one chapter he was writing about biological warfare allegedly conducted by Russia. He stated his opinion that if Russia wanted to start a war against China it would have more chance with biological warfare than by simply sending in armies. Interesting that both SARS and COVID19 started in China. (Please note, I took a lot of what Major Dames said with a good dose of healthy analytical and balanced scepticism.)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 02:41 PM

...it's on Sky channel 507, where they have some excellent documentaries, as well as periodic news bulletins and today they mentioned as above on Sumo.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 02:10 PM

Walky - I checked NHK app a day or two ago
and couldn't find any mention..

The audience is as much a part of the fun as the wrestling..

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:48 PM

For northern Italy on Feb 21 the number of confirmed cases was 17. Yesterday it was 1,128, with 29 possible virus-linked deaths.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-29/italy-s-total-known-coronavirus-infections-top-1-000-cases

This perfectly illustrates the problem for governments. A number of horses must be allowed to bolt before public opinion allows the stable door to be bolted. This is a judgement call almost certain to be proved too late.
We shall see.
From the wall street journal a week ago:
"Schools are closed and gatherings are banned as Italy reports a sixth virus-related death"

One disconcerting fact that has come to light is that a person who is asymptomatic may be shedding the virus and could make others ill. How often asymptomatic transmission is occurring is unclear.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:43 PM

PFR - as I enjoy watching NHK World, I can give you an update on your beloeved Sumo: the next big tournament is to be held but without an audience and, if any contestant fails a test, they will cancel the whole event.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:42 PM

Bugger it.. just as I feared.. coughs and diarrhea at the same time...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:18 PM

CORONOVIRUS SYMPTOMS

Fever
Tiredness
Dry cough
Mild aches and pains
Nasal congestion
Runny nose
Sore throat
Diarrhea




The US has the unique added problem of the right/Trump saying the left and media have weaponized the virus which causes a special psychological association and demonizing ones nejghbor.

If you get it early the symptoms won't wipe you out as a rule but the small chance of severe complicatios is 20 times more likely than the flu. One a 1-10 scale a 2 would not include fever or chills or aches .
Some of us won't personally know anyone who died except for celebrities.