BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 24 - 11:27 PM

There was a video on Instagram posted by NPR (National Public Radio - so they will have vetted it) showing Israeli settlers attacking a primary school in the West Bank.

Israel (the government) behaves badly. The government never does anything about the encroachment and violence of the thuggish "settlers" and the vast amount of territory they have now taken over in what should be Palestinian lands. If they'd get them all out of there and stop the second-class citizenship for the non-Jewish citizen, they'd go a long way to calming the animus from their neighbors. Netanyahu is keeping the war going because when it is settled he will probably be sent to jail. He will certainly continue being tried for crimes while in office. He'd love for Trump to be put back in power, another reason to keep people churned up about a war.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Oct 24 - 07:18 PM

After a couple visits to New Zealand, I was under the impression that everyone there was a partisan of either Vegamite or Marmite. So introducing them to the Middle East will only foment additional strife.

I used to love marmite which seemed to have no expiration date, though my jars have long since turned crusty. The brand was named "Sanitarium" (which might be a good brand to try out in the ME).

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 12 Oct 24 - 02:15 PM

Biden is "absolutely, positively" urging Israel to stop shooting at UN observers, according to the BBC.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Oct 24 - 01:23 PM

should Ireland boycott Israel?
According to the Examiner
Israel fired on UN peacekeepers

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 09 Oct 24 - 04:43 PM

Ah, didn't know that, thanks, BillD

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Oct 24 - 04:23 PM

Marmite was just in the thread before SRS transferred stuff below it.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 09 Oct 24 - 11:02 AM

How strange that Marmite has invaded this thread!
Here's a truly decent person, Roni Keidar: “I see the people as people, not just as an enemy. I could see their faces. I could see their smiles. I could see the look in their eyes. Most Israelis, especially the younger generation, don’t have that opportunity.”

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 09 Oct 24 - 01:51 AM

Rashid Khalidi's next book will focus on Ireland, and how it was a laboratory for Palestine. It stems from a fellowship he had recently at Trinity College, Dublin. He says that to understand Palestine, you have to understand British colonialism more broadly. He is hoping to examine key figures in the British aristocracy whose Irish experience was central to everything they did afterwards – people such as Arthur James Balfour, Sir Charles Tegart and Gen Sir Frank Kitson. He is hoping to show how the Irish experience was exported to India, Egypt and Palestine, and then returned to Ireland again during the Troubles, having been magnified in the colonies. “It is astonishing how personnel and counter-insurgency techniques, like torture, assassination, find their roots with the British in Ireland,” Khalidi says.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 08 Oct 24 - 10:00 AM

Sorry, Backwoodsman.
* In Lebanon 10,000 troops from 50 countries are serving as UNIFIL observers - as they serve in many countries where conflict is present.
* The Irish and Polish are in an area in the south.
* The Israeli Defence Force told them withdraw, and the UN said no. (Newspapers announced this as "Irish refuse to withdraw troops".)
* The IDF have now set up a post with tanks near the Irish UNIFIL post.
* Hezbollah have said they won't attack the Irish base.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Oct 24 - 07:47 AM

The Irish area?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 08 Oct 24 - 07:16 AM

Apparently a "former US policy advisor" called Matthew RJ Brodsky tweeted that "Israel should carpet bomb the Irish area [of Lebanon] and then drop napalm over it." Tweet, now deleted, in reply to someone who uses the nick @weatherwar.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 04:27 PM

Israel is now saying that 80% of the 42,000 killed were "Hamas or family members" - meaning that either Hamas had 33,600+ members or Israel is openly admitting driving a coach-and-four through the Geneva Convention agreed by civilised countries after World War I.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 11:22 AM

”> there will be no winners

*Disagree*: Vlad.”

Good point, MaJoC!

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 11:12 AM

”Of course "...eviction of Palestinians from their homes..."
was one of the issues, but Hamas was not exactly acting just for the good of the Palestinians... they had a far wider agenda.”

Which makes the immensely disproportionate Israeli retaliation, their slaughtering of Gazan non-combatants in their tens of thousands, the displacement of a million others, and now the starvation of those who remain, no better than vengeance and, as such, utterly reprehensible.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 11:11 AM

I have no idea what Hamas was at, this time last year. It seemed a lunatic attack, targeting the nearest Israelis, the ones who were most decent towards their Palestinian neighbours. You'd wonder why they didn't target the illegal settlements - but maybe they weren't so near. You'd wonder why the Israeli army didn't arrive for so very long. The whole hideous thing is baffling.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 08:40 AM

There are winners, they are the US armament manufacturers, and the people who make money out of supplying THOSE WEAPONS

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 08:28 AM

Thompson... Of course "...eviction of Palestinians from their homes..."
was one of the issues, but Hamas was not exactly acting just for the good of the Palestinians... they had a far wider agenda.
All those rockets at Israel and killings at the concert on Oct. 7 were simply the proximate trigger for this scary escalation.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 06:37 AM

From ABC News: Gaza's silent crisis: a child's battle against malnutrition - malnutrition is raging through Gaza, starving children and a terrible future.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 06:29 AM

Yes, good point.

“What needs to be done is for this war to stop,” said Dawas. “It’s a catastrophe… the scale of it is just beyond the human understanding.”

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 06:13 AM

Good point.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 06:10 AM

> there will be no winners

*Disagree*: Vlad.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 05:53 AM

The State of Israel has effectively held 2 million Gazan Palestinians hostage in their own country for many years. Now they are engaged in ethnic cleansing and an illegal land-grab.

What Hamas did a year ago was inhumane and utterly indefensible, but something of that kind was inevitable after years and years of oppression of the Palestinians in Gaza. But what the State of Israel has done since, and continues to do, is far worse - it’s State-sponsored terrorism which has cost over 30,000 Gazan lives, displaced a million more, and now threatens the entire Middle-East with all-out war.

Nobody is innocent in this debacle, and there will be no winners.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 05:21 AM

Did Hamas start this, Bill D? Surely their horrible attack this day last year was a reaction to increasing eviction of Palestinians from their homes by illegal settlements?
It seems unlikely anyone can stop it; Israel is now at war with three neighbouring states, and listening to nobody. And the illegal settlements continue to grow. And America continues to back Israel.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 02:22 AM

”Then, IF this escalating violence develops into an area-wide war and Iran and others seriously attack Israel, would be even more committed to Israel's defense.
Hamas stupidly started this &#@*#%& violence, but Netanyahu took advantage of it to begin his desire to annex Gaza and turn the Palestinians into truly a people without a country or hope for one.

Everyone carries part of the responsibility for what is happening and a hundred years of ethnic and religious hate looms large. Sadly, I don't see any solution.”

Absolutely right on the button, Bill. I find it astonishing that a nation, composed heavily of the descendants of a people who were so appallingly brutalised and ethnically-cleansed in Europe in the early/mid 20th century, are now themselves engaged in the brutalisation and ethnic cleansing of their neighbours, and are so happy to appear on our TVs attempting to ‘justify’ their own inhumanity.

If their God actually exists, he/she must be wondering what kind of monster he/she created.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 02:03 AM

There won't be a cease-fire as long as the opposites in the conflict don't want it. when this all started Netanyahu was being investigated for corruption and it didn't look good for him. All that has been pushed to the back burner but will return to the fore when the war(s) are ended. And as for Hamas they are quite willing to watch the slaughter of their own people as long as Israel is increasingly viewed as a pariah state. According to a Times of Israel article: For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces. He's been using them as a foil against Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority in attempts to move toward a Palestinian state. He unofficially negotiated with them via Egypt to allow money from abroad into Gaza. (suitcases full of Qatari cash) He also increased the number of work permits for Gazans from 200 in 2021 to 20,000 in 2023 as a way to get more money into the strip. At a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 05:59 PM

Well said, Bill D!

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 05:26 PM

Note: Israel BUYS those bombs, planes and various munitions from us. It would be quite a financial hit if were to stop.
Then, IF this escalating violence develops into an area-wide war and Iran and others seriously attack Israel, would be even more committed to Israel's defense.
Hamas stupidly started this &#@*#%& violence, but Netanyahu took advantage of it to begin his desire to annex Gaza and turn the Palestinians into truly a people without a country or hope for one.

Everyone carries part of the responsibility for what is happening and a hundred years of ethnic and religious hate looms large. Sadly, I don't see any solution.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 04:38 PM

We're getting a masterclass in the fact that attack isn't the best form of defence.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 12:16 PM

Yes, the US provides most of Israel's weapons. We have been committed to their survival since the beginning.
   Now we are in the awkward position of approving Israel's defense, while disapproving of Bebe's horrendous use of many of those weapons for indiscriminate use of them to destroy any presumed locations of Hamas or Hezbollah.
I can't imagine how frustrating it is for Biden to straddle the line between 'protecting' and 'condemning' the actions.
You can imagine how the election would go if all arms to Israel were stopped! And, of course, continuing will lose great numbers of Palestinian sympathizers.
It's a paradigm of a no-win situation. I'm guessing that some things will change when and if Harris wins..perhaps even before she is sworn in.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 11:49 AM

So you have learned something?
according to the Washington Post it is the usa, furthermore
US releases $3.5 billion to Israel to spend on US weapons ...
CNN
·
https://www.cnn.com
9 Aug 2024 — The US is set to provide Israel with $3.5 billion to spend on US weapons and military equipment.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 09:48 AM

A cursory search on Google will answer your questions. It music have taken me at least 5 seconds.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 09:27 AM

So who is Israels largest supplier of weapons,? is it the USA?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 02:50 AM

Which countries are selling arms to Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Little Robyn
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 08:06 PM

I used to make my own 'marmite' - you need flaked edible yeast which is a byproduct from brewing beer. Most health food shops will have it and some supermarkets as well. NOT brewer's yeast or breadmaker's yeast!!!! Flaked yeast - the edible variety.
Then mix in some soy sauce until it's a consistency that you want - maybe very thick or it can be runny. The taste also depends on the type of soy sauce you use - dark soy, light soy or mushroom soy. The latter is my choice. Vegemite is supposed to be the same but I can taste a difference and don't like it. Also, English Marmite is more salty than NZ/Aussie Marmite. But right now the Marmite factory in Christchurch is damaged after the Canterbury earthquake last year and you just can't get NZ Marmite in any of the shops. You can get a similar product called Promite, which is made in Australia and this is my favourite now.
Robyn

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 01:32 PM

קן גרישה. טודה

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 01:18 PM

You guessed who the GUEST was.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 01:16 PM

מיכאל, you might have missed my point. Vegemite and Marmite compare similarly as Pepsi and Coke. Down Under, friendships and marriages are at risk, no matter how high the content of zinc.

Opium may serve the purpose better - or not.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 01:07 PM

Michael, wasn't it a woman called Jillie Goolies or something who used to taste and comment on fine wine?

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 11:38 AM

LoL right back 2U Eliza ~~ exactly the sort of jargon I meant!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 09:03 AM

LOL Michael, "A cheeky little spread; I'm getting yeast...and..yes,vegetables...and a full-flavoured salty undertone...a good year, I feel for Chateau Marmite."

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: gnu
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 07:22 AM

Thanks. I hope that clears it up for Dan... meaty, yeasty, salty Jell-O.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 03:48 AM

So, what the heck does it taste like?

The Japanese use the term 'Umami'. Probably the closest we get is super-savoury.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 11:46 PM

Thanks, Don ~~ yeast, of course. Don't know where I got malt from. The flavour is savoury rather than sweet [hence the malapropicity of the jell-o suggestions]; somewhat salty and yeasty. As Don sez, that is about as far as one can go in describing a flavour, without going into the sort of silly jargon that wine correspondents tend to use.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 05:48 PM

And NO!

Neither infectious nor contagious. Just nice or nasty depending on what tastes you happen to like.

Me?......I like the stuff.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 05:46 PM

How to describe a flavour Gnu?

It is slightly meaty flavoured with a high salt content, definitely what you would call savoury.

People like/hate it in roughly equal numbers, and a recent TV documentary suggested that some people may be genetically pre-disposed to like, or hate, certain groups of flavours.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: gnu
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 05:43 PM

Is it infectious?

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 05:41 PM

""It's a vegetable malt extract sp.read, can also be used in cooking""

Close Mike.

It's actually a yeast and vegetable extract.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: gnu
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 04:42 PM

So, what the heck does it taste like? Can anyone describe it so Dan knows what to do if it's offered? This is a serious situation. Dan is a highly trained US Military officer who has trained others in survival, including eating stuff that most would not and in how to kill a man 50 different ways... are there 51 ways? Well, 52 if you include lime jello.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 04:23 PM

Grish ~~ Well, only going by what Oz friends have told me about Vegemite; no direct experience. Anyhow, Arabic & Hebrew have many strong resemblances FTM ~

Salaam שלם

2U!

מיכאל

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 04:11 PM

I Canada, (at least where I am from) the terms jelly and jam differs.
Jam has full berries/fruit. Jelly is a strained and clear fruit mixture.