Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 May 04 - 09:35 PM Another series, published by Allyn and Bacon in the 1960s, some quite hefty: Sur, William R. et al., This is Music, especially nos. 7 and 8, each 240 pages in the teachers editions. |
Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: Nigel Parsons Date: 08 May 04 - 09:59 AM Singing Together, Summer Term (pub.)BBC Radio Education ISBN: 0 563 350 660 (c) 1990 Midsummer song (Take grasses and flowers on Midsummer night) Music: Håkan Norlén; words Rune Lindström (translated freely) The Drover's Dream (Trad Australian) (One night when travelling sheep, my companions lay asleep) Vet's song Words & music Jan Holdstock & Pat Belford Alexander's Ragtime Band Irving Berlin The Good eating Guide Words & music by Janet Wheeler Come to the well (Welsh trad tune) Words by Janet Wheeler Skin song Words & music Chris Hazell Jump in the line By Blake Alphonso Higgs and Jessie Cavanagh (adapted) This book appears to be aimed at 11-12 year olds (approx) but makes no statement to that effect. All songs include the melody line as a minimum. A similar book "Singing Together," has completely different contents, despite the title similarity. As stated before, if there's something here that someone particularly would like to see, PM me to email a scanned copy Nigel |
Subject: Index: Singing Together From: Nigel Parsons Date: 08 May 04 - 09:46 AM Singing Together (BBC); (pub.)BBC Radio Education ISBN: 0 563 34655 8 (c) 1990 Troika Rushing; (Russian folk song) A Tragic Story (There live a sage in days of yore) words; William Makepeace Thackeray music; Clive Pollard Those magnificent men (in their flying machines) music & words; Ron Goodwin Vum vum vo (Shaker song) The pushbike song (No2 hit for "The Mixtures 1971) Words & music Idris & Evan Jones The double-decker bus Words & music by Rolf Harris Bratach bana (Scottish folk song) (I ilean beag o ilioro,) (sailing under shining banner) Nottamun town (traditional folk song) Wabash cannonball (American folk song) By AP Carter Day trip to Bangor Words & music by Debbie Cole Carnavalito (Argentinean folk song) (Up with the sun in the morning,) By Isabel Aretz de Ramon y Rivera, translated A L Lloyd Rush hour round Words & music by Lin Marsh This book appears to be aimed at 11-12 year olds (approx) but makes no statement to that effect. All songs include the melody line as a minimum. A similar book "Singing Together, Summer Term" has completely different contents, despite the title similarity. |
Subject: Index: BBC Time & Tune Series From: Nigel Parsons Date: 03 May 04 - 08:36 PM In Britain, apart from the book noted above (The National Song Book) and another book (Folk Songs of Many Lands: Curwen), the major educational influence has been small song books issued by the BBC (British Broadcating Corporation) for use in schools, titled Time & Tune. For these, the versions for junior schools (age 7-11) are The contents of which (for those I hold) are below. BBC time & tune Series Spring Term 1955 The riddle; (A little man is standing within the wood) The Barnyard Song; (I had a cat, and the cat pleased me) Oliver Cromwell lay buried and dead The Fox (Fox you must bring back my goose) The Merry Cobbler ( A merry cobbler man am I. Tra, la-de-dee-ra) Spring Term 1960 The tree in the valley-o Turn The Glasses Over (I've been to Harlem, I've been to Dover) John Smith, Fellow Fine (... can you shoe this horse of mine) My Household (Pretty Percy Perky is the name of my turkey) No More Will I Go A-Wooding (trans. C K Offer) The Jolly Miller (There was a jolly miller and he lived by himself) Autumn 1960 There was an old woman (...lived under the stairs) One little brown bird (up and up he flew) There was a monkey (.climbed a tree, When he fell down, down fell he) Gloucestershire Wassail (Wassail, Wassail all over the town) The Riddle; (A little man is standing within the wood) Spring Term 1961 Jack Jintle (My name is Jack Jintle, the eldest but one) The Frog & The Crow (A jolly fat frog lived in the river swim-o) Spring Carol (Let us sing with hearts o'er flowing) The Grey hawk (once I had a grey hawk, and a pretty grey hawk) Over The Hills And far Away (Tom he was a piper's son) One Misty Moisty Morning Autumn 1963 This old man (he played one) Oliver Cromwell (lay buried & dead) Water Wagtail (Water, water wagtail, How many children have you) The Great Don Gato It's Raining Cats, It's Raining Dogs As Joseph was a-walking Summer 1965 Frog went a-courtin' I got a robe The Cowboy's Lament (As I walked out in the streets of Laredo) Cowboy Spring (It is spring, the daisies are bursting out) The Courtship (Old woman, Old woman, are you good at spinning?) Spring '94 Tongo (Traditional Polynesian Song) The Song of the Winter Wind (Words & music Chris Williams) Pandur, pandur (16th Century dance tune by Phalese) The Pickety Fence (W&M by Daviv McCord) I Want To Rise (Trad. American, by Janet Wheeler) Singing in the bath (W&M by Lin Marsh) Janie Mama (Trad Calypso round) Bibbidi Bobbidi Boo (W&M Livingstone/David/Hoffman) - looks like song from Disney's Cinderella ! My old banjo (I u-lu-lused to play-lay-lay my ol-ol-old ban-jo-lo-lo) The Court of King Caractacus (trad. arr. Janet Wheeler) All the above come complete with simple melody. I'm happy to scan and send on if required Nigel |
Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: JohnInKansas Date: 01 May 04 - 09:07 AM Joe O My Word compilation shows 2,073 song title entries so far. Not bad for a few hours. The thing I find surprising is how few "multiples" there are. There are a few exceptions that each appear in 5 or 6 of the books, but not all that many. There are quite a few that are in two or three books, but even that amount of repetition is much lower than I would have expected, given the "family relationship" between the books. With comments removed, book id once each, and one line per song title, I've got a 47 page TOC in Word. Of course that's at 12 pt type, so I can read it. I may have to cut back to 4 pt to save some disk space. John |
Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 01 May 04 - 02:53 AM The Follett and Silver Burdett books are really quite wonderful. Oftentimes, a song won't have more than one verse, but the books have broad collections of traditional songs. The illustrations are good, too. I have a mixed collection of other books, particularly the Birchard "Singing School" series. The Brichard index setup is a bit more difficult to scan, so they'll have to wait until next week. Thanks to all who have contributed to this project. Keep 'em coming. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Apr 04 - 09:38 PM My daughter, retired teacher, has told me of the fate of these books in this city (Some Scott-Burdetts were used,dates uncertain. The older school where she first taught had a basement filled with these and other old texts. In a general cleanup they were trucked to landfill (Before recycling here). I would guess that the same fate overtook these books elsewhere. Teaching with these books ended here about 1980. |
Subject: Index: English Folk Songs for Schools From: masato sakurai Date: 30 Apr 04 - 09:11 PM English Folk Songs for Schools Collected and arranged by Sabine Baring-Gould and Cecil J. Sharp Publisher & date: J. Curwen & Sons Ltd., n.d. [1906] Blow away the morning dew Carrion Crow, The Coasts of Barbary, The Cock-a-doodle-doo Cold blows the wind Country farmer's son, The Creeping Jane Cuckoo, The Dabbling in the dew The Dark-eyed Sailor Evening Prayer, The (Matthew, Mark, and Luke and John) Flowers in the Valley, The Foolish Boy, The Fox, The Frog and the mouse, The Frog he would a-wooing go, A Golden Glove, The Golden Vanity, The Hares on the mountains Henry V and the King of France Henry Martin (first version) Henry Martin (second version) High Germany Jolly Waggoner, The Just as the tide was a-flowing Let Bucks a-hunting go Lord Bateman Lord Randal Lord Thomas and Fair Elleanor Loyal Lover, The Merry Haymakers, The Mowing the Barley Near London Town Old Man and his Wife, The Old Woman and the Pedlar, The One Michaelmas Morn Outlandish Knight, The Outward and Homeward Bound Poor old Horse Robin-a-Thrush Saucy Sailor, The Seeds of Love, The Shepherd's Daughter, The Simple Ploughboy, The Sir John Barleycorn Sly Reynard Strawberry Fair Sweet England Sweet Nightingale Tailor and the Mouse, The This old Man Three Huntsmen, The Two Magicians, The Wraggle Taggle Gipsies, O!, The |
Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Apr 04 - 08:06 PM Scott Burdett series "Making Music," now published by Scott Foresman, has nine volumes. These are Grades K, 1-8. I can't find descriptions, but here is the price listing for Grade 8: Student ed. $55.15 Teachers Ed. $89.35 Keyboard Accompaniments $47.85 Resource Book $102.00 Teacher Resource Package $270.45 ETC.! For Kindergarten, no student book, but Teacher "Big Book" $395.00 and Keyboard acc. $47.85. Sheesch! No wonder general music instruction no longer exists in the grade schools. Prices from www.scottforesmancatalog.com |
Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: JohnInKansas Date: 30 Apr 04 - 04:26 PM Joe O - Carl Sandburg's American Songbag has a tune for "Two White Horses." Could you tell if the play song maybe uses the same tune? I haven't pulled the book, but my index indicates he has a "score" (my index key for "more than a single line melody") for this one. John |
Subject: Index: The National Song Book; Boosey & Co From: Nigel Parsons Date: 30 Apr 04 - 09:52 AM Following Joe's example. Here's one of the main songbooks in use when I was in school in Wales. The book was in use throughout Britain. "The National Song Book" volume 1 A complete collection of the Folk-songs, Carols and Rounds, suggested by the Board of Education (1905) Edited and arranged by: Charles Villiers Stanford Copyright 1906 by Boosey & Co. Adieu to dear Cambria Adieu, sweet Amyrillus Afton Water A-hunting we will go All through the night A man's a man for a' that Amid the new-mown hay And ye shall walk in silk attire Annie Laurie Ash Grove (The) As slow our ship As vanquished Erin At the mid-hour of the night Auld Hoose (The) Auld Lang Syne Avenging and bright Away to the wars Bailiff's daughter (The) Barbara Allen Barley Mow (The) Bay of Biscay (The) Begone, dull care Bells of Aberdovey (The) Blackbird (The) Black monk (The) Black Sir Harry Blow, blow thou Winter Wind Blue-Bells of Scotland (The) Boat, a boat (A) Boatie rows (The) Bonnie brier bush (The) British Grenadiers Caller Herrin' Campbells are coming (The) Ca' the ewes Chairs to mend Charlie is my darling Cherry ripe Clare's Dragoons Come, follow me Come, lasses and lads County of Mayo (The) Cuckoo madrigal (The) Darby Kelly David of the White Rock Dove (The) Drink to me only Dulce Domum Early one morning Exile of Cambria (The) Fairest isle Farewell, but whenever Farewell, Manchester Fie, nay, prithee, John First Nowell (The) Flight of the Earlt (The) Flowers of the Forest (The) Mrs Cockburn's poem Miss Jane Elliot's poem Forget not the field Forth to the battle Gaping catch (The) Gentle maid in secret sighed (A) Girl I left behind me (The) God rest ye, merry gentlemen God save the King Golden slumbers Golden Vanity (The) Good Christian men, rejoice Good King Wenceslas Good morrow, mistress bright (Good morrow, pretty maid) Go to Joan Glover Go to where Glory waits thee Great Tom is cast Gwendoleen's repose Happy clown (The) (The Happy Farmer) Hark! The bonny Christchurch bells Heart of oak Here awa', there awa' Here's a health unto His Majesty Heroes of the sea (The) Hey ho! the morning dew Hope, the hermit Hundred pipers (The) Hunting the hare Hunt is up (The) I'd mourn the hopes I'd bid my heart be still In the Vale of Llangollen It is not the tear It was a lover and his lass I've found my bonny babe a nest Joan to the Maypole Jock o' Hazeldene John Peel Keel row (The) Kelvin Grove Lady GwennyLady Owen's delight Lament of Flora Macdonald Land of my fathers (The) Lass of Richmond Hill (The) Lay his sword by his side Leafy Cool-Kellure Leezie Lindsay Let Erin remember Let now the harp Let's have a peal Little red lark (The) Look, neighbours, look Loudly proclaim Marching to Candahar Marsh of Rhuddlan (The) Maypole (The) Meeting of the waters (The) Melody of the harp (The) Men of Dovey's delight Men of Harlech (The) Mermaid (The) Miller's daughter (The) Minstrel boy (The) Missing boat (The) Mistletoe (The) More of Cloyne My dame hath a lame, tame crane My gentle harp My love's an arbutus New Year's eve Now is the month of Maying Now, Robin, lent to me thy bow Now strike the harp O Absolom O Bay of Dublin O'Donnell's march O for the swords of former time Oh, breathe not his name Oh, the oak and the ash Oh why left I my hame Oh my love On this day O sleep, my baby Over the stone Piper of Dundee (The) Polly Oliver Queen's dream (The) Quern tune (The) Raise us a riddle Remember thee Remember the glories of Brien the brave Remember the poor Rising of the lark (The) Roast Beef of Old England (The) Robin Adair Rowan tree (The) Rule, Britannia Scots wha hae She is far from the land She must be mine She weepeth sore Sigh no more, ladies Silent, oh Moyle Since first I saw your face Sing, sweet harp Sing we merrily Slaves of the world Song of the Western men Songs Erin sings (The) Spring is coming (The) Stars in Heaven are bright (The) Sweet Innisfallen There's nae luck There was a jolly miller This garden now Thou bonnie wood of Craigielea Three Kings of orient 'Tis gone for ever 'Tis humdrum (Gaping catch) Tom Bowling To Portsmouth To the Maypole haste away Turn again, Whittington 'Twas one of those dreams 'Twas pretty in Ballinderry Under the greenwood-tree Under this stone Under yonder oaken tree Useful plough (The) Vale of Clwyd (The) Venture, Gwen Vicar of Bray Wae's me for Prince Charlie Wassail song (The) We be three poor mariners Weep not, I pray We three Kings of orient are Wha wadna fecht for Charlie When she answered me When thro' life unblest we rove Where the bee sucks White sand and grey sand White Snowdon Why lingers my gaze? Will ye no come back again? Wilt thou lend me thy mare? Wind, gentle evergreen With Jockey to the fair (Amid the new-mown hay) Woe to the day Would you know my Celia's charms? Ye banks and braes Ye mariners of England Ye shall walk in silk attire You gentlemen of England Welsh Titles of the Welsh Songs Ar hyd y nos Breuddwyd y Frnhines Clychau Aberdyfi Cnot y coed Codiad yr hedydd Dafydd y Gareg Wen Difyrrwch gwyr Dyfi Difyrrwch y brenin Eryri Wen Hela'r 'sgyfarnog Hen wlan fy nhadau Hun Gwenllian I Blas Gogerddan I wisgo aur-goron Llandyfri Llwyn on Mae croesawaid gwraig y ty Mentra, Gwen Merch y Melinydd Morfa Rhuddlan Nos Galan Pant Corlan yr Wyn Pe cawn i hon Rhyfelgyrch Capten Morgan Rhyfelgyrch gwyr Harlech Serch hudol Syr Harri Ddu Tros y gareg Wrth edrych yn ol Y Deryn pur Y Fwyalchen Ymadawiad y brenin Y Mynach Du Yn Nyffryn Clwyd Yn Nyffryn Llangollen Yr Alltud o Gymru
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Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: JohnInKansas Date: 30 Apr 04 - 05:28 AM Well Joe - I thought I'd grab a couple of my old school song books and do a quicky, but - they have no Table of Contents and no usable index. Only a "by subjects" list, with multiple repeats. Also lots of "discussion" headings that look like songs in the list but aren't. I do have one called New Music Horizons, Book 6 that is the 6th grade Kansas "official" music book, 1946 edition, from a recent garage sale outing. It seems to have some songs that aren't listed above, but it's going to take some serious sorting to figure out a list. It is another Silver-Burdett ©, but is printed by the Kansas State Printer. A couple of others seem mostly to repeat parts of your lists. John |
Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 29 Apr 04 - 08:04 PM Joe, I sure wish I had this much time on my hands! I have several of the books you've listed, as well as other grade levels of some of the above editions, but it's going to be some time before I can post the indices (of course, now that I have your snail address...) (I never did find the MacMillan book with Four White Horses, but I have since found it in 3 other books at school! I'll look for them tomorrow) Allison |
Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 29 Apr 04 - 06:33 PM Joe, please give author and full title. Silver Burdett has been publishing and revising these books since the 1890s, different authors. the Book 4 that you haven't listed- Author- McConathy et al. Title- The Music Hour, 4th Book (1937, etc.) First Book etc.- Title and author depends on edition- Author- Marsell et al. Title- I Like the City, 1st Book (1956, etc.) or Author- Eleanor Smith Title- A First book in Vocal Music (1901, etc. and etc. I thought of that, Q, but each book has a laundry-list of authors, and most stay the same even when the authors' names change. I'll think about it, and may try to get around to adding names later. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: wysiwyg Date: 29 Apr 04 - 04:29 PM Do you mean, post the text of the table of contents or index, so we get a list of song titles? That is, if one has a scanner that grabs text. Do you also want publisher info from the front of the book and the year of publication? ~S~ |
Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Apr 04 - 04:16 PM There's another thread on a play-party song called "Four White Horses," and Animaterra says she found it in a achool songbook. I wanted to post the tune, so I looked through lots of songbooks, but couldn't find the song. I have lots of school songbooks, but it's a hassle to look through them each time I want to find a song. If I post the index of each songbook here, the song should turn up in Mudcat search. If you have songbook you'd like to index, be sure to put the title of the book and authors, series name, publication date and publisher, and grade level. Let's reserve this thread for school and children's songbooks only. Thanks. -Joe Offer- One thing I forgot to mention - I'm assuming that the people who post these indexes have the books in their possession, and that they are able to post the songs they've index if requested. If you do NOT have ready access to the songbook you're indexing, be sure to note that. Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: School Songbook Index PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Apr 04 - 04:12 PM This is an edited PermaThread, and all messages posted here are subject to editing and deletion. This thread is intended to serve as a forum for indexing school songbooks. Search for other PermaThreadsHow to use Songbook IndexesUse [CTRL-F] to find the song you want, and then post a request for the song at the bottom of the thread. We'll contact the songbook owner and obtain the lyrics, and we'll post an answer or a link in your request message.
Silver Burdett School SongbooksSchool songbooks often have abbreviated or sanitized versions of songs - but they also often have tunes that we may be missing, which is one reason why I started this thread. To find a song, use [CTRL-F] on your keyboard, and put in a pertinent word from the song title. from Q:
1.1 and 1.2: I Like the Country. Among the Follett books, Music Round the Clock is for lower grades, the rest seem to be unspecified. Online Songbooks(from Masato Sakurai)Two 19th-century school songbooks are available online: School melodies : containing a choice collection of popular airs with original and appropriate words composed expressly for the use of schools / by J.W. Greene. Greene, J. W. (James Whitman) 72 p. of music ; 11 x 17 cm. Boston : Morris Cotton, c1852. Dainty songs for little lads and lasses : for use in the kindergarten, school and home / by James R. Murray. Murray, James R. (James Ramsey), 1841-1905. 1 score (160 p.) ; 16 cm. Cincinnati : John Church Co., c1887. Other 19th-century school songbooks online (at American Memory): School Songs: Grammar School, no. 1, by H. W. Fairbank (Chicago: Winchell & Co., S. R., 1883) The American School Music Reader: A Systematically Graded Course of Instruction in Music for Public Schools, Second Book, by L.O. Emerson and W.S. Tilden (Boston: Ditson & Co., Oliver, 1874) American School Music Reader (Boston: Ditson & Co., 1874) [cover & title page lacking] Bailey's School Songs, by E. H. Bailey (Boston: White, Smith & Co., 1880) Bailey's School Songs And Music Reader, by Eben H. Bailey (Boston: White, Smith & Co., 1880) Supplementary Music to the High School Music Reader, by Julius Eichberg (Boston: Ginn Heath & Co., 1884) Old schoolbook on line: The New England Primer, 1777. Primer It has some interesting rhymed couplets tied to the alphabet, "Dr. Watts's Cradle Hymn," verses for children (threatening 'dreadful fiery Hell,' etc. |
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