BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 09:41 PM

I think it would be interesting to hear what Bart Ehrman has to say about all this nonsense.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: artbrooks
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:45 PM

No...he was Sephardi

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:04 PM

Yes he currently in Production of Blazing Sandels...

the story of Yiddisha boychick Jesus.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:58 PM

Then we'll need Mel Brooks.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:49 PM

No, Mel Gibson is busy on his next film
The lost commandments of MOSES.

In this film we are shown the behind the scenes truth about why Moses destroyed the first set of commandments.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:50 PM

Would it be directed by Mel Gibson?

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:35 PM

Ok but that scene where a couple (Daryl Hannah and George Clooney) are making out ON TOP OF the bones of Jesus, might be too much for some viewers to take.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:45 PM

Yeah. You say that like it's a BAD thing, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:43 PM

All this would make a great movie but by the time it ever gets to the screen I am afraid there would be a theft and a car chase.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:35 PM

I'd lost my cookie above... that was me, (lorcan - lor) I read the book, and it was a very well put arguement, though not a greatly written book... I would say, if it were a civil case, for say paternity, the finders of the tomb would win.
So, we are left with the implications of a reserection of spirit, ie. all of us, when we live the teachings are the reserection, seems to me to be a lot more important than the question of God's zombie. When we feed each other litterally and spiritualy we are the risen Yeshua, as when we struggle for the rights of others we are the risen Martin King, or when we tend to the poor and forgot we are the risen Mother Teresa...
be good to each other
lor

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: bobad
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:32 PM

Some are now saying that the James bone box is from the same tomb as the purported Jesus box and that the box is authentic (as ID'ed by it's patina) but the inscription was "embellished" to increase it's value.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20070305/cm_rcp/examining_the_jesus_tomb_evide

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:17 PM

Here's a limnk to the article I read, Rap. My memory is for sure the shits--it was over a few years ago, not months. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/21/world/main526336.shtml

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:33 PM

OK, Rap. I am likely wrong then. I'll check my memory against the internet data.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:01 PM

According to last night's show, the James Ossuary demonstrated a patina identical (chemically) to the other ossuaries found in the tomb in question. One ossuary was missing from the tomb.

Seems likely. But then, I only am going on what was presented last night.

By the way, I very much liked the post-program discussion led by Ted Koeppel.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Amos
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 02:56 PM

Pass the teacup, would you? I need something to put a little storm into.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 02:02 PM

'the James ossuary'

That was shown to be 'fake', Rap. Read something on it about four (?) months back.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:39 PM

Having watched the show I can only render my own verdict: Not Proven. Even if the James ossuary is included and the odds raise to 30,000 to 1, it in no way approaches the odds even for fingerprint matching and certainly NOT for DNA matching.

As I said, Not Proven.

Also, people could have learned of this earlier from several sources if they had been interested. I first heard of it over three years ago....

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:14 PM

After listening to the authorities on the Diane Reems show that were involved in finding the Jesus family ostuary and examining the crucified remains of a person named Jesus (the only 1st century remains of a crucified individual ever found)...
I have to say this beats the Turin Shroud 100 to 1.

There was also consensus that this discovery has been common inowledge for an inner circle of scholars for some time.

The only rigtious indignation I have seen so far came from ex congressman Scarbourough who was very upset that James Cameron (director of the Titanic) was involved in the filming of this discovery.


I wonder if US tv evangelists are sorry they did not become part of the exploratory research team in some capacity.
It could have meant million$ fir there own pocket book.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Tweed
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 03:40 PM

Hawk, I tell you, it works for me. Aslo, I know for a fact that it doesn't work for everybody else out there, but I'm more comfortable thinking that god's right inside me somewhere and not in some mythical heaven or sliding down the chimney.

Who knows for sure until the end? I just go with what I feel. If I'm completely wrong about all this I figure that I'd forgive me for thinking erroneously if I was God.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 02:01 PM

"So have Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, and Ted Haggard...."

          Ted Haggard ought to go to the top of the list, now that he's proven homosexuality can be cured.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 01:43 PM

Cool. Yes, I think there have been many "Christs". That is certainly the viewpoint held by most spiritual students in the East. A Christ is an enlightened person. Enlightened people are capable of remarkable things, but they are not beings apart from the rest of us. They are normal human beings who have simply risen higher in unlocking their hidden potential, that's all. As such, they can sometimes do things that most people would consider miraculous.

Some of them go pretty much unnoticed. A few become very famous. A handful of them become so famous that their followers soon build a whole new religion around them...which is probably not what the enlightened one intended to happen at all!

Jesus would be in the latter category, I think. Like you, I came to admire him all the more for his own humanity, rather than his deification by others.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Tweed
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 09:08 AM

Hey Hawk,
I just read the Geraldo thread and oddly enough, you and I have something in common!! Yaz yaz I know..., do not cut out your tongue or commit yourself to a lobotomy just yet. ;~)

I got to thinking about this thing with Jesus thirty five years or so ago when I stumbled upon this work, which may or may not be a fictitious account:
The Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East

It set off a light switch in my cashew sized brain and of course I feared to expound publicly about Jesus just being a regular, if really enlightened, person...not unlike the rest of us who labor upon the earth. It was a little freaky at first but after a while I think I respected him even more as a man than a god for the things he tried to teach us.

Anyhow, I thought I'd throw that at you. Put another log on the fire. It's 80 something outside today here on the Great Sandbar and large numbers of pasty skinned broke dick mammaluccas can be seen changing into their speedos and thongs using the open doors of their Mercurys as a sort of beach cabana on wheels. It's very unpleasant for us locals, but summer is coming and they will soon all be back fishing for walleyes when the ice breaks on the lakes.

Tweed

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Peace
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 08:48 PM

So he rolls the stone out of the way and someone jumps in front of him and says, "BOO!"

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 07:05 PM

Heh! Sorry... It's just that you touched on a subject I really like to talk about, and I got carried away by my own train of thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: frogprince
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 06:50 PM

L.H, can't you tell facetious when you see it : ) Especially with a grin stuck on it? : )

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:25 AM

There ya go -- 666!

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:23 AM

frogprince, by your calculations : that comes to about 1/666th * God by Today !!!!

*Thats implies that 20-30 years of age constitutes a generation.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:04 AM

Y'all gotta read Christopher Moore's "Lamb." It's the reminisces of Biff, Jesus' best friend.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: GUEST,MarkS
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 08:59 AM

The idea that Jesus was God was a hotly debated question among Christian sects (now read "heretics") until the question was resolved by vote at the Council of Nicea in ( I think) the fourth century.
This was when the idea of Jesus' divinity became part of the orthodox canon of beliefs.
Also, by this time this emerging "school" of Christianity became the orthodoxy in following years because they had achieved SECULAR acceptance within the Roman empire and were successful in supressing all the many previous beliefs, now denounced as heretical.
Gotta wonder - would have been the reaction of Jesus himself if he could have learned that years in the future he himself would be regarded as God.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 09:10 PM

frogprince - "his descendents would have been one-fourth God"

Not as far as I'm concerned, Frogprince. I don't think Jesus ever tried to spread the teaching that HE exclusively was God and that other people weren't...although the Christian Church certainly has done promulgated that teaching. I think his message was that God is equally within everyone and that they need to recognize that in order to actualize it. He is reputed to have said that we all can do what he did, and even greater works. That implies to me that we ALL are God (potentially) just as much as Jesus himself was, but he had brought himself to a greater level of conscious awareness of that, thus enlightening himself.

That is also the message contained in most Asian spiritual disciplines...that God (or the Divine) is implicitly present in an equal way in all beings...but their own tiny sense of separate conscious identity...their limited sense of mortal "self" (out of which arises fear and selfishness) blocks them from experiencing themselves in full God-consciousness. Full God consciousness manifests as unlimited and unconditional love for all beings. It is exemplified in qualities such as mercy, kindness, generosity, and non-judgement of the intrinsic worth of others.

If Jesus was what he appears to have been, he had achieved God-consciousness. This didn't mean that he was therefore "God" in any exclusive sense...nor would it apply to his children in that way, if he had any children. You cannot inherit enlightenment, you can only achieve it through your own efforts.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 08:58 PM

Is that one of the new quarters the Treasury is issuing?

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 08:36 PM

Well, I bet the Old Gods are having a good chuckle over this thread. But be careful what you say here, 'cos if you really piss 'em off you may encounter a thunderbolt in your nether quarter!

Cheeerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 07:32 PM

How can you make a bet in this matter? A bet implies a resolved outcome. On this subject that is not possible.

So that dollar is not wasted- nor will you ever put that $10,000,000 in your pocket.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: frogprince
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 07:20 PM

But his descendents would have been one-fourth God, then one-eighth, and on ad-infinitum. Would it have worked something like the old southern social system, where (I've read, at least) that for some purposes being one-sixteenth Black or less didn't count? : )

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:48 AM

Heh! Yeah...

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Peace
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:19 AM

That bet would be a waste of a dollar, IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:17 AM

I'd bet 10,000,000 to one that he was married by his very early 20's.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Peace
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:06 AM

True.

Interesting to note things like the wedding at Cana. Jewish men were expected to marry. Jesus had a Jewish mother. Think about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: GUEST,MarkS
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:00 AM

The Christian church took its current form through Paul because he was speaking to a Greco-Roman audience. Jewish followers of Jesus were marginalized following the supression of the Jewish revolt of the first century.
As usual, history was written by the winners.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Peace
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:51 AM

St. Irenaeus--an early church father--had a few things to say about it all. Worth looking up, IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:40 AM

I agree wholeheartedly with your points about Peter, Rapaire. They were all infighting for power, prestige, and influence in the emerging new church...and they were almost all men in what was very much a "man's world"...quite determined to see that uppity women like Mary of Magdala (who in my opinion was leaps and bounds ahead of them in her spiritual understanding) did NOT get to determine the agenda or even get more than a bit part in the gospel stories about Jesus.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 09:02 PM

Really! Well to the uninitiated it sounds far more likely that the burial place and bones of Jesus and his wife and kids was found than that they all were resurected - whatever that might mean to such a person.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:48 PM

And Peterianity. Read the Gospel of Mary sometime -- there are several editions out there.

And read the work of the Jesus Seminar. Not just the "Five Gospels" but the more recent stuff as well. Many, many biblical scholars, from Moody to Oxford to Notre Dame, participate. And many are of the belief that it would be a very strange thing indeed if Yeshua of Nazareth did NOT marry, that the Magdalen was given a Very Raw Deal by the early Church and especially by Peter, and that it's very unlikely that there was a physical resurrection. And no matter WHAT Paul says, it really doesn't make any difference to the teachings -- it only matters to the belief that Yeshua of Nazareth was the literal son of God.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 07:32 PM

I have long had the opinion that (1) Jesus was married, and (2) his wife was almost certainly the woman characterized as "Mary Magdalene" in the later writings which are preserved in the modern Bible, and that she was his legal wife and life partner and most definitely not a prostitute. As to whether they had any children, I have no opinion on that. As to whether he physically resurrected? No strong opinion on that either.

Mary Magdalene was clearly a person of great influence in the early Christian church, but she was going directly against the stream of convention to be a leader at that time, because she was living in a strictly patriarchal Jewish society. I think that the movement centered around Paul later rewrote various things and censored others and invented still others in order to minimize her role as much as they could. I do not regard Paul's weird ideas as being much in the spirit of Jesus' original teachings at all, and I think he very much twisted and altered those teachings to detrimental effect, and caused the Christian church to veer off into some doctrines which are unhealthy, to say the least. I consider modern Christianity to be something only vaguely related to Jesus. It ought to be called "Paulianity" instead. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 06:26 PM

I read the book yesterday, the day the book was releaced, it actually is well presented, though the book is not a scholarly presentation the science was well put, from Harvard criptologists to read the inscriptions to DNA comparisons of the very scant remains of Jesus, his brother Joseph, his mother Maria, his wife Maremne, his son Juda (possibly Tomas Juda Didymus the author of the gosple of St. Thomas)... and the statistical probability of this name are relation group being found together. So, as it was presented, it would pass the civil standard for paternity. So, what does it mean if there was not a physical reserrection? Well, his central message that we should feed each other litterally and spiritualy survives and when WE do that, WE are the reserrection, like the stranger on the beach who made breakfast for his friends...
thine in frith and friendship
lor

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 05:38 PM

hawk

that made me laugh out loud

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 05:37 PM

He will.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 05:17 PM

I'd rather see Jesus dig up Geraldo's tomb.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 05:17 PM

If you are of 2nd century French ancestry there is a chance you have some Jesus DNA in your family, unless every last descendant was murdered, which is equally unlikely.



Wait a minute

What if they do find Al Capone's stuff in the tomb?
Then that would mean Geraldo actually found...

whoa, far out man.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 05:04 PM

"Lots of bones, but who do we compare the DNA with?"

The Pope, of course, has Jesus's DNA on file ... possibly?

I'll get me coat ...

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 03:39 PM

"Erm...on behalf of some older UK 'Catters can I point out that Geraldo was a famous English Bandleader. "

Early in his career Geraldo was with a group known as the Young Lords, but I don't think they made music!!!!

If it is Jesus, Geraldo will prove that OJ did it!

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Wolfgang
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:00 PM

Promotion for a story and advertising for a film it is. Has nothing to do with science. Whatever later results may be they will be of no relevance to Bible history or beliefs.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: fat B****rd
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:54 PM

Erm...on behalf of some older UK 'Catters can I point out that Geraldo was a famous English Bandleader.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:48 PM

Did you ever hear about the Aggie that was asked if he knew about Easter? He said sure - that's the day when Christ rises from his tomb. And if he sees his shadow we have six more weeks of winter.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: TIA
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:19 PM

If they find bones, will there be Easter this year?

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: frogprince
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:06 PM

I watch quite a bit of Discovery channel (That is, a fair portion of what little TV I do watch), but they crank out an appalling amount of junk "science" and "history". It must break Geraldo's heart if he couldn't get in on this particular fiasco.

We will probably get some of the hardest-core sceptics back on here saying that this disproves the resurrection of Jesus, all the while forgetting that they have been arguing fervently that he never existed in the first place. : )

If, by some remote chance, they actually come up with some solid probability that the guy was buried there, you know what I'll do? Consider myself influenced by his teachings, the same as my position for the last few years anyhow.

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 11:42 AM

Tomb and boxes have already been opened.

Lots of bones, but who do we compare the DNA with?

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 11:41 AM

Oh for Christ sakes!

I hope when they open the casket they find a bust of Alfred E. Neuman: Click at Your Own Risk!

What me worry,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Amos
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 09:20 AM

...in case someone files a paternity claim? LOL, Art!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 09:20 AM

So have Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, and Ted Haggard....

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: artbrooks
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 09:17 AM

...I understand that Al Sharpton has already demanded a DNA test...

Subject: RE: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:32 AM

Personally I think the day they find Jesus in a hole in the ground will be the day they put Anna Nichol in one.

Subject: BS: Geraldo to open Jesus tomb
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:23 AM

Comon the thought must have crossed your mind too.
This Sunday Discovery channel is going to do a permutation of the opening of Al Capone's safe by digging up the Jesus family plot.

Pre rightious indignation has been duely noted by some preachers, just in case anything incontravertible is dug up.