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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 22 Jul 11 - 12:06 PM Individual donations to 527 organizations (2001 to 2010) George Soros: $32.5 million Koch Brothers: $1.5 million Individual donations to federal candidates, parties and political action committees (1989 to 2010) Koch Brothers: $2.58 million 1.29 ea George Soros: $1.74 million Soros:"I have always harboured an exaggerated view of my self-importance. To put it bluntly, I fancied myself as some kind of god or an economic reformer like Keynes, or, even better, like Einstein. My sense of reality was strong enough to make me realise that these expectations were excessive, and I kept them hidden as a guilty secret. This was a source of considerable unhappiness through much of my adult life. As I made my way in the world, reality came close enough to my fantasy to allow me to admit my secret, at least to myself. Needless to say, I feel much happier as a result." "It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out." "I've come to the conclusion that one can do a lot more about the issues I care about by changing the government than by pushing the issues." For the richest hedge fund managers, 2009 was the best year ever. Appaloosa Management chief David Tepper, who bet on the recovery of banks and the debt of bailed-out US insurer AIG, earned the biggest payouts with $4.36 billion in 2009, a record for the sector. US financier George Soros, the head of Soros Fund Management, took the second spot with $3.6 billion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Jul 11 - 12:34 PM JtS: "Then I probed them to find one difference between theirs and the GOP congressional agenda. I could find none. Then I asked them outright, was there a difference. They admitted that there wasn't." Not sure what you meant by the wording of that part of the post...but the only differences that I see, only last till the next rotation of the elections. ..and I beg to differ on Soros's versus Koch's 'contributions'. I'm NOT saying the Koch's are any more or less altruistic than Soros's...what I am saying is, once either or both parties become beholden to either one, or both's 'contribution', that the will of the people gets 'overridden' by the money, which is 'donated' to further THEIR view, which is not particularly in the best interests, OR the will of the people. The same can be said by any leveraging lobbyist's group, who through 'slight of hand', and loopholes, amounts to nothing more than bribes. If a 'representative' refuses their advances, then that person,(or their agenda) is subject to a media campaign to smear them! The media, is all too obliging, depending on the 'contributions' that they have received, from the same! That's why there is such a chasm between the various 'news' groups...other than the general disinformation that the government chooses to release...which, of course, is slanted toward whomever they are beholden to, at the time! As an example, as of recent...the 'stimulus' crap..a trillion dollars of debt occurred, 'Borrowed'(which means it is non-taxable), goes to the banks, who don't release it for it's intended purpose, while we, the public pays it back, PLUS the interest, to the banks, who are holding our money!!! Now, just who is 'zooming' who??? It should be all too apparent, that somebody is either making a ton of money from these practices, or an incredible amount of leverage..to further their own greed for a power base. BOTH parties have been bought off, long ago, to perpetuate this fraud on the American,(and world) people! The problem, with the ideologues, is they keep chanting the mantra, of the EXCUSES that are thrown to them, which SEEMS all too 'righteous', while the 'leaders' couldn't give a rat's ass about anything but the power and money. It should be noted, as well, that MOST of these clandestine clowns, behind the scenes, have globalist interests, AND military and defense contracts....so any way we turn, we end up inadvertently funding all of this nonsense, PLUA the interest(which is usually equal to the original loan), and become more enslaved, to accommodate their avarice for power and greed, while at the same time, give up not only our sovereignty,, but personnel freedoms and liberties with it. Another goodie, to throw into the mix, is that a lot of these monies are used to fund 'black box' programs, which are, of course, kept very hush hush, and out of the eyes of scrutiny....because of 'national interests', which in itself is a misnomer, for being used against us..to keep us in line!! You'd think, that folk singers, who rose to prominence during the 'protest era' would be addressing this..but aren't, because that too, was co-opted by the Democratic Party, only to gather support, and votes...but NOT to further anything, that even resembles representing, virtually ANYTHING that they 'aligned' themselves for, other than deceiving that group, that 'they' are 'on our side'!!!....and as we all got older, some of us actually still think that!....Want to talk about being 'duped'? Meanwhile, while 'this administration' has racked up 4 more trillion in debt(largest in U.S. history), what has it bought us, EXCEPT paying the interest on those loans, which is greater than the military budget.....but the left keep pointing to the military as the ones sucking up all the resources!!!....just because they were sold a bad bill of goods, by the LEADERSHIP, of the Democrats, who have convinced the devotees down-line, that they are they guys of peace, and equality!..Bullshit!!! Personally, from what I've seen, there are good and decent people who are both liberal, conservative, Republicans, Democrats, Tea Partiers, and the like....they only get weird when they begin reciting the bull-crap that was fed to them, by the 'leaders' of those parties, who have NO intention of ever believing ANY of it!!!!!!!!!!! Just take a look!! ....Meanwhile, the 'protest' singers, just bicker within themselves, in effect, disarming them, and rendering them both useless, and unheard! ....as witnessed on here!....and NEVER heard, in the public arena! Thank you, for responding to my question in an intelligent post! Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: pdq Date: 22 Jul 11 - 01:08 PM Here is what successful Las Vegas hotel owner and lifetime Democrat Steve Wynn has to say about Obama' economic policy... from Democrat-leaning Los Angeles Times |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 22 Jul 11 - 01:28 PM The point I made was much simpler than that. It is one of motivation. I am arguing that Soros spends to help others and the Koch's Spend to help themselves therefor there is no equating them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 22 Jul 11 - 01:32 PM Now, ya know, the Lord helps those who help themselves - with both hands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 22 Jul 11 - 02:33 PM Kochs take a heaping helping while Soros helps a heap? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 22 Jul 11 - 03:18 PM GfS, Little Hawk, for years, has been talking about how the United States in particular is governed by one party masquerading as two, and there is no point in trying to oppose it. Give up! Defeatism, even if true. You, on the other hand, have never made a clear, cohesive statement other than negative remarks about those whom you characterize as "liberal," usually accompanied by contemptuous adjectives indicating you have no actual knowledge of what a liberal is ("…. liberal 'squawking points'...which is usually just hot air blowing out someone's ass."), and an inability to distinguish between liberals, progressives, socialists, conservatives, fascists,, Nazis, communists, and various other schools of political and economic philosophy. But you seem to be taking the same negative position that Little Hawk does. You haven't stated any "facts!" Just shallow opinions along the same defeatist ideas that Little Hawk has expressed. That, and a general penchant for flinging insults and contemptuous remarks at people when they are talking over your head. Also, you use political terms (without knowing what they mean), slap labels on people, and try to stuff them into arbitrary pigeon holes, which is the mark of someone who knows little, but wants to play the expert by putting other people down, not by attempting to refute what they say, but by attacking them on a personal level (". . . you old farts are senile!"). Okay, GfS, you use the word "liberal" a lot, indiscriminately applying it to people as a pejorative. Here's a primer (not that I think it will do much good): Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, "of freedom") is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but most liberals support such fundamental ideas as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, free trade, and the freedom of religion. These ideas are widely accepted, even by political groups that do not openly profess a liberal ideological orientation. Liberalism encompasses several intellectual trends and traditions, but the dominant variants are classical liberalism, which became popular in the eighteenth century, and social liberalism, which became popular in the twentieth century.Your welcome. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 22 Jul 11 - 05:17 PM Another Left Wing Terrorist attack Clay Duke facebook page which listed the George Soros funded mediamatters.org on his Facebook page as one of his favorite websites. "My Testament: Some people (the government sponsored media) will say I was evil, a monster (V) no I was just born poor in a country where the Wealthy manipulate, use, abuse, and economically enslave 95% of the population. Rich Republicans, Rich Democrats same-same rich they take turns fleecing us our few dollars pyramiding the wealth for themselves. The 95% the us, in US of A, are the neo slaves of the Global South. Our Masters, the Wealthy, do, as they like to us " Duke ordered everyone to leave the room, except for the boardmembers. After the people left, a female board member, Ginger Littleton, is seen in the video trying to disarm the gunman. She hits his hand with her purse. Duke knocked her to the ground and pointed his pistol at her head, but allowed her to leave. "Go on," he can be heard saying on the video. Duke then turned his attention mostly to Husfelt. "You fired my wife," he said to the school board leader. He then gave a dire prediction as to how things were going to end. "I'm going to die today." Duke never identified the job or refers to his wife by name, but argued that he was broke and would soon lose health benefits. Husfelt negotiated with him to let the other members of the board leave, taking the blame for his wife being fired. "I'm the one that signed the paper, right?" Husfelt told Duke, according to the video. "Let them go, I'm the one who did it... You're obviously upset with me, so why are they here?" Moments later, Duke points his gun at Husfelt and pulls the trigger. Miraculously, the bullet misses. The man fires several more times at board members, but his shots go wild. Then, according to police, security guard and former cop Mike Jones stormed into the room and opened fire. He hit Duke, who then collapsed to the floor. Police said he then turned the gun on himself. SWAT officers soon swarmed the room. The entire incident lasted only a few minutes. "It was so surreal," Husfelt said. "You couldn't believe it was going on." Although some board members thought perhaps the gun was loaded with blanks or was merely a cap gun, police said it was real. Duke had a history of violence. In 1999 he was charged with aggravated stalking, shooting or throwing a missile into a building or vehicle and obstructing justice, according to state records. He was convicted and sentenced in January 2000 to five years in prison and was released in January 2004. Records show Duke was a licensed massage therapist before his arrest but it wasn't clear if he was employed. Form the Deocratic underground: It is now that I ask that you look upon the man not as a maniac, not as a drunkard ex-con, not as a rambling lunatic or an attempted murderer, but as a martyr, a symbol of the never ending strife for social justice and equality, a warrior, for our cause. I ask that you see Clay Duke for the man behind the gun. Facebook links theprogressivemind.info http://metanoia-films.org/index.php http://www.theprogressivemind.info/ http://www.axisoflogic.com/ http://carolynbaker.net/ http://www.accountabilitycircle.org/ http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml http://mediamatters.org/ http://www.medialens.org/ http://redpill8.blogspot.com/ http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Disinfopedia http://www.stoplying.ca/ http://www.wearechange.org/ http://wikileaks.indymedia.org/mirrors.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 22 Jul 11 - 05:26 PM No point in attempting to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 22 Jul 11 - 06:14 PM True. But I guess hope springs eternal. Trying to have a rational conversation with some people is like trying to teach a pig to whistle. It won't be successful, it's a waste of your time, and it annoys the pig. (But sometimes, just knowing that you've annoyed the pig can be a positive.} Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 22 Jul 11 - 08:22 PM It is somewhat amazing that he can consistently come up with this lunatic bullshit, and works so hard to misinterpret & mis-state it, tho. Imagine if he applied all that effort to something worthwhile. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 22 Jul 11 - 08:32 PM Here's the deal, Greg... The right wing is spending big $$$ on bloggers and bomb throwers... These folks get paid to sit on their asses and do nothing but twist information into something that has nothing to do with reality... They are paid by the folks who have corralled 80% of the wealth in this country... These folks can literally throw billions at lies, bullshit and more lies... The left??? Ain't got the grease to compete... That 20% of the wealth that is left are the crumbs that the other 95% of the population have to live on... This would be David and Goliath except the left ain't got no sling shot... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 23 Jul 11 - 12:58 AM Lemme see. The left wing Democratic underground says Clay Duke is "a warrior for our cause" and that what Bobert believes is a paid right winger. Bootleg Moonshine + Cannabis + Bobert sittin on his ass + acute blowharditis = Bobert "facts" such as "The West Bank has the highest density of any place in the Middle East" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 11 - 01:26 AM Well, except for more hard blowing, nobody has refuted Sawzaw's posts and his links, with anything of supporting facts...just more pedantic attempts at discrediting, those of an opposing view!!!...and then turn around and do exactly what you're accusing 'the right' of doing, to the left!!!(and I'm not even on the 'right'..just don't agree). Then call,(without responding,)of course, him or myself of being 'opinionated'...but refuse to address the posts...with nothing but party line OPINIONS....and NO FACTS!!! WHAT IS THIS??? 'Stupid' on parade???!! I AIN'T BUYIN' IT!!..you can..you can even think you've impressed somebody...other than yourself...but you didn't, and WON'T, without some supporting FACTS. What?..You expect others to share your opinions, built of political partisan fantasies..or some fantasy bullshit rap you bought into???? Hey, you got your break..but 'break's over'! Less twisted 'logic' based on baseless rhetoric, and some FACTS to give credence, to any of your nonsense! Is that such a wild, unreasonable request??...especially to those who claim to be such 'astute intellectuals'?? Are we suppose to be swayed by mere sophistry?? ..and a more in depth definition...... ..and then conclude it with everybody isn't as 'wise' as you to understand it?? Understand WHAT?? You haven't presented ANYTHING of substance!!...except misnomers of what you think I, Little Hawk, or Sawzaw is saying...then arguing your 'point' you pretend to make, as if it is what WE are saying, or even talking about!...supported by FACTS!! Get a life!....or some 'reality doses'! Let's give it another try...Sawzaw presented several links now, that supports various things both Little Hawk and I have said....if you can't support your view....get some 'intellectual glasses'!!! Still my posts stand!!!...and, without any serious refutation, as does Little Hawk's, and Sawzaw's....AND none of us, agree on EVERYTHING, nor are we communicating with each other off the thread!~(as you have)! Either offer something of value, or at least 'consider' the possibility, that you may have something NEW to learn...from your friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sincerely....(and sincerely disappointed in you), GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:02 AM "The West Bank has the highest density of any place in the Middle East" Perhaps you mean Gaza, which is one of the most densely populated places in the world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:09 AM You want me to argue with some unattributed quotes about Soros? He is not even saying that what Soros did is illegal; or something a couple of individuals I never heard of said on facebook? Sawzaw hasn't said anything meaningful that I have read. Just pointless attacks on individuals and avoidance of the issues. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:12 AM GfinS, The reason no one refutes Sawz arguments is simple... No one reads any of his posts anymore, other that you and maybe LH and I doubt if LH even reads 'um... Sawz has taken himself out of the game and now it's too late for him... Maybe he'll have to reinvent himself like the other two times he did this here, first as Old Guy and then as Dickey... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 23 Jul 11 - 10:33 AM I know that YOU know you're right. You know a man who knew he was right. He murdered four score and four children to prove Muslims are the terrorists to fight. The shock and denial of the waiting parents is hell incarnate, waiting for word of their child as police stand before a curtain. They already know that the odds of thier child being murdered or gravely injured is not 1 in 4 but virtually certain. The pain and guilt is unbearable. If only I... What if I... Why? Who? What if they...What if you.. What if I... and they break down and cry. Our opinons turned to anger. We yelled the killer is Muslim, no the killer is Jewish, no the killer is Christian, no the killer is right wing extremist. And we are lost, bickering among ourselves. With all the reflection of research with science and religious study, justice will never satisfy; we fall into a loneliness and depression, and feel we can no longer cry. He knew guns and bombs would teach the world. He pledged he would no longer be powerless. Still he felt every insult that's hurled. He felt everything to gain if you could feel his pain and that is why he is so dangerous. We will point to patterns of hate and we'll try to accept our fate but no one or thing will change the fight of the bestial proud predator in the man who believes he is Right. OH yes indeed, YOU know you are right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 23 Jul 11 - 10:41 AM Don, I don't think it is fair to compare anyone on the mudcat.org to that man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 23 Jul 11 - 10:58 AM Are we not men? If you cut us do we not bleed? Do you not feel that you are right? Are you not part of the human condition? Have you never posted predatory sentiments? The poem applies to everyone here but goes beyond all of us and deeper than you suspect. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 23 Jul 11 - 11:42 AM I think there is a world of difference between an angry post and murdering teenagers in cold blood. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Jul 11 - 02:41 PM You know, GfinS, you keep saying that you're not an extreme Right-Winger, but here you are, making snotty and insulting remarks about people here whom you know nothing about but nevertheless dub "liberals," and generally being bitchy to anyone who doesn't talk like an old fascist with senile dementia. You're credibility is ZIP. You're joining Sawzaw AND, unfortunately, Little Hawk (who choses to sit in the lotus position with his feet in his lap, levitating and floating up there around the ceiling, and intoning quotations from the books of Alan Watts) in that nobody wants to waste their time and energy reading your posts anymore. And NO, it's not because you're so brilliantly right (except in the political spectrum sense), it's because you don't really have anything to say. You read like the ravings of a Teabagger who has no ideas of his own and who flunked all his English classes. Even your insults are kind of puerile compared to those of the average snot-nosed schoolyard bully. #### Due to the fact that I have a life in the 3D world, I don't have a lot of time to play today, kids, but this thought did occur to me: Sawzaw and GfS, and for that matter, Little Hawk, are very much like slinkies. They aren't actually good for anything, but they ARE kind of amusing to watch if you push them down a long flight of stairs. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 11 - 03:00 PM A+, Don, especially the part about the slinky... But, yeah... Seems the Axis of Evil (GfinS, Sawz and LH) have banded against the "liberals"... What next??? People running thru the streets screaming like in some 60s Japanese horror flick... I mean, if any of them got cancer they would be seeking out the best and brightest doctors but when it comes to the US economy they are perfectly willing to let the Koch brothers and Dick Armey call the shots using the Tea Part as their bidders and shills... Fact is stranger than fiction... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 23 Jul 11 - 03:09 PM who choses to sit in the lotus position with his feet in his lap, levitating and floating up there around the ceiling That is a very funny caricature. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 11 - 03:52 PM Still no refutations on Sawzaw's links..just more rantings, until your sphincters slam shut...then attack ANYONE who disagrees with your silly assertions. Bobert says NO one is reading Sawzaw's posts. That, as clearly seen, is flagrantly not true....as JtS, and myself, and anyone commenting on them, has. Once again, you guys make up shit, and then go on, like you made some 'profound truth'..and ONLY based on your 'wishful thinking'....such is the life of whacked ideologues! Disregard the plain evidence in front of them, just to push some asinine agenda. Who pays you guys?..Some outreach of an international banker???...Oh, wait a minute, they only pay the people you get your silliness...you do it for free! So, attack the people who may shed light on the subject, because you might just find out that your rose colored glasses, might have 'blather splatter' from your over active bladder. If you can't support your claims, then it is YOU, who has fallen down, not those people who you can't logically, and forthrightly rebut....No matter who you slam, or what you say. So go stick your heads back into the sand, or any closer warm moist orifice, and blow bubbles. Your rap is getting NO traction! Just refute and or/rebut the claims, and lay off the attempts to discredit the poster, with absolutely NOTHING of substance to back up your position. This is NOT an unreasonable request, in a civil discourse......unless, of course, you can't. In that case, be 'grown up' enough to ask questions, OR SOMETHING to shed more light, on what you can't seem to answer...because if you can't, and just engage in childish attempts to call him names, and/or slur him, it might be because he's right, and you're only running on arrogance, and the fear of denting your superegos. What?? You think we can't help each other?? (That's why I thought Don, at least shines when he posts about musical history!!) Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 23 Jul 11 - 03:54 PM gFs YOU ARE A NASTY PERSON AND A WASTE OF MY TIME. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 23 Jul 11 - 04:14 PM More like a waste of space & air. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:20 PM Well, I'm honored..being as you have nothing to say...even after I backed you up. So, throw your tantrums all you want, but its worthless. All I asked for, and not particularly from JtS(who should re-read my reply to him, being as it re-enforces him, rather than attacks him), but it's all a PLOY to mask the FACT, that those attacking Sawzaw, have done so, only using caustic rhetoric, with NOTHING..I repeat, NOTHING as a valid, reasonable shred of factual support to their position!...And that pissed you off?????????????? Me thinks you are even shallower, than I would have ever imagined, or thought to imagine. It has happened repeatedly on here, where someone cites a link or a source, for their position, and some of you just get into some sort of behavioral pissy-fit, for apparently no reason, other than you have nothing to say, and don't like what the other poster says...or it 'insults' you fraudulent indoctrinations, and have no other recourse, other than whining like a bunch of stuck pigs. Jeez Louise, is this what your 'political awareness' has brought you to????????....I'd look in a different direction, if that's all you've become! ...and you expect ANYONE to 'respect' your ideas?????? Time to put away the computer, and break out your Tinkertoys!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:21 PM You know, for one last go, a sort of "farewell and adieu," I tried to read GfinS's last post, but other than general hysteria, it reminded me of the Yorkshire terrier that belongs to the nice lady across the street. He makes about as much sense. Coming home from work one afternoon, I was driving down my street heading for my garage, and suddenly the Yorkie runs out in the middle of the street right in front of me and tries to face me down. He's barking so vigorously that with each "YAP!" all four feet leave the pavement. I stopped, as not to run over him. He was such a runt that I probably could have driven right over him and not even touched him, but the way he was acting, he probably would have tried to bite one of my tires, which could possibly lead to his getting his empty little head mashed. It got pretty funny in a frustrating sort of way. I tried to ease the car forward, hoping that he would back down. But no! He just barked all the more vigorously. I was on the verge of getting out of the car, grabbing him, and throwing him over the hedge, but the woman who owned him came dashing out of her house, scooped him up, and apologized profusely. We got to laughing as, there, safe in her restraining arms, he was still barking at me as if he wanted to tear a leg off. But then, I'm generally kind to dumb animals. . . . Don Firth ("YAP! YAP! YAP!" yourself!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:26 PM Yeah, I'm with you, Don... Since GfinS has joined the Tea Party she hasn't been much fun... or lucid either... And these constant "you didn't answer Saws questions" when no one read his delusional posts other than her and the other Axis of Evil, LH, is getting to be just like that little dog: noise and no real bite... I mean, there's no beef in her posts anymore... Just loonie??? I don't get it??? But then again, in spite of my years working with crazy people, I find them interesting but I don't get them either... Oh well... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:51 PM From what little I've been quick-scanning Sawzaw's posts lately (like an astronaut on an alien planet, looking for signs of intelligent life), I don't see that he's actually asking any questions. Just cutting and pasting from Right Wing blogs. So, what's to answer? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:00 PM I patiently told you why they weren't trying to refute Sawzaw's nonesense. But you just kept right on a screaming and a yabbering and insulting people. Give me one good reason why I should bother to read another single post by you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:19 PM Little Hawk, who chooses to sit in the lotus position with his feet in his lap, levitating and floating up there around the ceiling, and intoning quotations from the books of Alan Watts.... Sawzaw, Little Hawk and GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:20 PM Well, in one of Sawz former lives here at Mudville, either as Old Guy or Dickey, he thinks he asked me a question??? Back then, I did answer his questions... I remember going head to head with him in the Katrinagate thread... It went over 800 posts and in that amount of time he asked me a lot of load "Are you still beating your wife" type gothca questions but I answered them... But here's the deal with Sawz... If he doesn't like your answer he says you dind't answer it at all... Now that GfinS has joined the SawzCult she is doing the exact same thing??? There are all these unknown questions in the SawzCult that others get accused of not answering??? I guess it's a cult think, I donno... What I do know is that Sawz and his disciples are evidence of two theories: 1. There are more horses asses than there are horses and... 2. Some folks here have/had grand daddies that apparently carnal knowledge of buffalo... Other than that, I guess this is what you expect of people who have no understanding or either economics or American History both of which, with a few credit hours of continuing education, I would *again* be certified to teach at the high school level... But that's just a sidebar... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:35 PM So the worst/best you boys can do is to yell loudly at each other that you are ignoring the other. That so in so has no credibility. That you are right and they are insane. From my seat it sounds like AM radio teaching what one must think of Obama to be a real American. The tea party counterparts in Norway are the same as people here. The rhetoric is the same. The gun play is the same. The fertilizer bomb is the same as McVeigh. The child victims are the same. That they appear sane at a distance is the same. They feel morally superior and right the same way. They are even right wing extremist in the same way. Games are being played here in knee jerk fashion. PM's pleading people to pledge a no talk zone surrounding so in so. Been there done that to me already. SOme games are the mean guy gamer who defies logic, gives a left field example and then asks for one counter example or refutation, then sneers and insults the rest. Some people play the 'fail to understand' game, it is when they know better but pretend to not understand and say you really mean what they say you mean. Thats you Jack. I know you. You are smarter than that. I also know that everything a person thinks here comes through the filter of their belief system. Its like the brain is a lawyer only looking for the salient facts or hyperbole to defend their client's belief. So For an entire day, take a break. Realize what your filter is. COme to grip with what just happened in you and in Norway. See that the other guy isn't saying exactly what you may have thought. Trade places and look for commonalities. anything. one thing. Think of yourself as a parent of a murdered child by the self described killer groups. This is a make or break time gents. If you can't get it together with your fellow musicians, you are destined to lock and load and fire on a child in your future, no matter how unlikely civil war seems to you now. Even a temporary truce, pretending you were just joking, is better than some recent behavior. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:36 PM Economic literacy and the Tea Party are not compatible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 23 Jul 11 - 09:16 PM Literacy PERIOD and the Tea Party are not compatible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST Date: 23 Jul 11 - 10:33 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 11 - 11:00 PM Well, It looks like you've finally conceded to the fact that you've lost this stupid premise. The Tea Party is NOT a terrorist organization, and for you to accuse fellow AMERICANS of a differing opinion, of being 'terrorists' is nothing more than inciting more divisions, in this already divided time! Shame on you!..and shame on you who support this position!! You've become the very intolerant 'brown shirts' you say you dislike! I thought being 'liberal' means you also have an open and liberal mind, that allows others the freedom, allowed you, to have a differing opinion, and speak their minds...but you don't, and therefore, you are phony. Bobert jumps on the Koch Bros. for supporting the Tea gang, and when Sawzaw points out that Soros has funded WAY more, than the Kochs, he can't bring himself to admit that, he is nothing more than 'calling the kettle black'! We should NOT be engaged in provoking divisions, with such hatred with violent undertones, amongst our own citizens!! Then enter the wannabe 'political agitators', whose time has gone, but find an opportunity to relive some old delusions of theirs. You hate, you censor, you slur, and you suck!! Get over it..you are wrong, and sewing divisions amongst fellow Americans is wrong!...especially when you are also claiming to be a 'Christian'..as you both have. The reason I use the term 'so-called liberals', is that in fact, you ARE NOT liberal at ALL...actually, more like the 'liberal' Phil Ochs sang about.....bullshit con artists, with not an ounce of a liberal heart, or attitude!!! YOU are just as much, or more up tight and anal retentive, than the farthest of the far right. Not good!..especially for musicians! So, I'll leave you with a tune, in two parts...you have to get past the instrumental to get to the last verse.....it fits you!..and a GREAT PIECE, as well!!!!! Part one Part two GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 11 - 11:13 PM Soros = David Koch Brothers = Goliath Comparing the BIG $$$'s that the Koch Brothers have spent ***to buy government*** compared to the pennies that Soros has thrown toward ***pro-human*** causes is a joke on your part... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Jul 11 - 12:30 AM According to the figures..you got that completely backwards! Now what??..Another lie?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 24 Jul 11 - 09:18 AM Whose figures??? Right wing bloggers??? Sawz??? Get real, GfinS... Wake up and smell the coffee... You are showing your "ignorance"... No, here's a better idea... Learn something from verifiable sources... Read the New Yorker article on the Koch brothers... Google "Citizens United" and read how much undisclosed $$$ is being thrown to defeat Obama... Someone is paying for the barrage of anti-Obama ads that are plastering Big Media... If you watch an hours worth of TV you'll see at least one ad... Those ads ain't free... Who is paying for them??? Hint: it ain't George Soros... In other words, get you head outta the right wing spin turbine and get some fresh air... As in "the truth"... It's there for the taking... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Jul 11 - 09:50 AM Bobert: "Whose figures??? Right wing bloggers??? Sawz???" YOU MADE THE CLAIM...NOW PROVE IT!!..... Fair enough? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 24 Jul 11 - 11:41 AM The Tea-o-cracy Party is being financed by the Koch Brothers who, as in the case of Karl Rove are whistling "Onward Christian Soldiers" cheerfully as they bear their arms to political rallies. Proof is in the eye of the beholder; it does no good with someone with a rigid mindset. Whose sanity are we talking about here? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 24 Jul 11 - 01:13 PM The Tea Party a terrorist organization? After thousands of posts, no one who likes the Tea Party has explained why they feel the need to show up at political meetings with guns. I call that terrorism. What do you call it? Is the Tea Party a stupid organization? Take a look at Congress, with the Tea Party getting close to shutting down the government in order to protect the ability of the mega-rich to continue to shaft the rest of us. And that's not even getting into the idea that the only way to get anything done in politics is to be willing to compromise. These yahoos are about to destroy my retirement savings -- yours as well, if you have any. And do they really think they're all going to get elected again after the asses they are making of themselves right now? Is the Tea Party a moral organization? Their darling Sarah Palin is best known as a craven liar. Their other darling Michelle Bachman is best known for her desire to overthrow the Constitution of the United States by establishing a state religion. Can anyone offer any defense of the activities of the Tea Party that isn't a cut and paste from a right wing blog? Can anyone offer any defense of the activities of the Tea Party that isn't an attack on some other political group, in the "they do it so why shouldn't I?" vein (think about the morality question). Can anyone offer any defense of the activities of the Tea Party that doesn't include flinging insults at other people in the discussion? Can anyone offer any defense of the activities of the Tea Party that doesn't include telling other people that they are some liberal idiot conspiracy brainwashed agenda, thus removing for yourself the need to take them seriously? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Jul 11 - 01:36 PM What the Tea Old Party is doing now with the debt limit amounts to terrorism. "Give us what we want or we will shoot this economy!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Jul 11 - 02:16 PM Opinions, Opinions, Opinions.....and nothing to substantiate any of it!... ...and I'm not even a Tea partier...but the hate and lies shown by these 'open-minded so-called liberals' is appalling!! Oh, and Bobert, find your proof yet?? ...back to calm.... not that I wasn't.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 24 Jul 11 - 03:24 PM Opinions, Opinions, Opinions.....and nothing to substantiate any of it!... ...and I'm not even a Tea partier...but the hate and lies shown by these 'open-minded so-called liberals' is appalling!! Sorry, GfS, not good enough. You'll have to be more specific. Are you including me in your "hate and lies" assessment? What did I say that was hateful or a lie? Why do you think so? Can you explain your own views in a way that involves responding to individuals instead of to a generalized "open-minded so-called liberals"? Oh, and while you're bugging Bobert for not responding to something or the other of Sawzaw's, I'd still like you to tell me the logic behind your contradictory statements regarding freedom, the Constitution, and gay marriage. I've heard you talk a lot about freedom for all Americans and about following the letter of the Constitution, and I've heard you talk a lot about limiting the freedoms and Constitutional rights of some Americans. Which is it, and why? Do you agree with the Tea Party stance on whether or not gay Americans should have limitations put their freedom and rights? Does using bullying tactics, both physical and political, against a legally disenfranchised minority fall within your definition of terrorism? If not, how would you describe it, and why? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 24 Jul 11 - 03:32 PM I do not believe that the Tea Party is—directly—a terrorist organization. But— They are a bunch of very angry people, ranging in political orientation from conservative to extreme Right-Wing, most of whom identify themselves as Republicans, but some of those who are furthest to the Right are calling for a third party, the nature of which they have not delineated, but who argue for little or no government at all and complete elimination of regulations on financial institutions—and on corporations. They also tend to embrace the writings and philosophy of Ayn Rand. [Note to Gfs: This is NOT "opinion." This is what they say themselves.] Note: Ayn Rand's philosophy, while not identical, has many strong parallels with the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially Nietzsche's concept of the Übermensch, literally "Overman," but generally translated as "Superman." The Übermensch is above the morality of ordinary people. They determine their own morality. You can get an idea of where Ayn Rand is going with this from the title of one of her non-fiction books, The Virtue of Selfishness. And you can see this idea of the "Superman" playing itself out in Ayn Rand's novels, in portrayals of some of her characters in, for example, Atlas Shrugged: Hank Reardon, Dagny Taggart, Francisco d'Anconia, and, especially, John Galt. It should not be necessary to remind people that Nietzsche, especially his concept of the "Superman," was embraced by Adolph Hitler and his cabal in Germany in the 1930s. And that Benito Mussolini defined Fascism as "The combined power of the Corporations and the State." The current trend in this country, pushed by the Right Wing in general, and by seeming loose groups like the Tea Party (but carefully steered by people like the Kochs) strike me as very ominous echoes of the same ideas that were steering Germany in the 1930s. Judging from the behavior of some, there are people who appear at political events at which the Tea Party is present who would make very good, and more than willing, Brownshirts. And judging from some of the placards carried, racism is rife in the Tea Party. Is the Tea Party a terrorist group? Well, I think that depends on how you define "terrorist group." Don Firth P. S. It is interesting to note that a large percentage of Tea Party members identify themselves as evangelical Christians. Despite their objections to government regulations, not to mention their insistence on strict obedience to the Constitution, they want the government to pass laws prohibiting behavior that their particular churches regard as sinful. And some have gone on record as endorsing the assassination of doctors who work in abortion clinics, and/or fire-bombing the clinics themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Jul 11 - 03:38 PM "The right wing is spending big $$$ on bloggers and bomb throwers" Name one, Bobert the Blowhard. Name a Dixiecrat. "Perhaps you mean Gaza, which is one of the most densely populated places in the world." Ask Bobert. It was one of his "facts" that he presented here and according to him he is very Don't hold you breath for the source. |