The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 10:15 AM

Granma, even in your - ahem - **th year you're still the gal for me! Can I have some of that lovely punctuation to play with too?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 10:17 AM

*sings in her sweetest church voice* "Granma, we love you, granma, we do..."

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Joseph P
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 10:26 AM

I didnt understand the Bullocky reference previously, I thought it was a typing error. I had never heard of a 'Bullocky'.

So, in true WAV style, a quick wiki search gives all the answers: 'A Bullocky is an Australian English term ....' need I say more?


'Oy talk in accents so bizaw
cos oy hiv trivelled viry faw
Aus culture is a pawt of me
Sadly thit oy do not see'

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 01:15 PM

Let me see if I have this right. David lost to a chick in dreadlocks?

Maybe that explains quite a bit. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,His Brother's Brother
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 02:06 PM

Deliberate satire? IB, that is false and defamatory! All satire is purely unintentional and no satirists were harmed in writing my verses, an EXCELLENT way forward for all humanity.

#7 Undead Poets in Society

As I reflect on Ezra Pound,
My astonishemnt knows no bound,
His works they do astound,
Why could no rhyming verse be found?

He's not a poet, he did not know it,
I do not like it, not one bit,
They are like a pit, bottomless to whit,
Bees they should flit, grannies must knit.

A parody of Milton's titles burns in my breast,
As for the rest, I should give the poem a rest.....

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 06:47 AM

Whilst not checking my posts for punctuation, etc., quite as carefully as my websites e.g., Gran. et al., I stand by my last post, and would only add an encouragement for other English tradies to participate in such poetry slams and, by reciting your verses in our traditional manner, do your bit to get our nation back on track.

THE WEEKLY WALKABOUT, E.G.

Poem 138 of 230: AN OPIUM

National Lottery passes -
    Slight chances to be richer,
    With lots more than thy neighbour,
    Gained without any labour -
    Keep the system in favour:
An opium of the masses.

From walkaboutsverse.741.com

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 08:13 AM

The Granma was the name of the boat that took Fidel Castro and a little band of revolutionary fighters from Mexico to Cuba and started off the final and ultimately successful phase of the Cuban Revolution. Do not take the name in vain, please. Viva Fidel! Viva Granma!

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 10:44 AM

When you say our nation WAV, are you talking about the nation that welcomed your family and nurtured you, or my nation as it exists in your (warped) imagination?

Stu

PS I won a guitar in a raffle

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 12:35 PM

Yes LH - and although I've never been to Cuba, I believe it's also the name of an important newspaper there.
Stu - "our nation" varies depending on which sporting event is on...

"...A similar mess over nationality occurs in the sporting world where English children, for example, can hope to play (perhaps managed by a citizen of a nation they may compete against) football for England, rugby-league for England/Great Britain, rugby-union for England/British Isles, athletics for England/U.K., golf for England/Europe, cricket for a combined England and Wales, or tennis for Great Britain - but Wimbledon is still The All England Lawn Tennis Championships…Anyone for friendly-rival republics?!" (here ).

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 12:40 PM

So you root for the Aussies in the cricket season?

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 04:53 PM

How on earth did you, Stu, arrive at that? But while we are at it, don't you think the Welsh are good enough at cricket now to carry their own bat as a test nation?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 07:34 PM

Just trying the political test to find out where your affiliations lie.

For myself I live and work in England (I was born here before WW2) I am British and English. I am proud to share aspects of my cultural heritage with many tribes and races/nationalities.

I am a musician; I play many forms of music. I teach music. Music is not how you imagine.

I write prose, poetry, fact, technical subjects, and manuals on technical subjects. Writing is not how you imagine

England in the 1950s was not how you imagine.

The Welsh are a proud people and I won't dignify your specious dialogue with any comment other than that

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 07:57 PM

Great sex with a woman is not what you imagine either Wav. Your mother doesn't count.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 05:51 AM

"The Welsh are a proud people" (Stu)...and God's speed to Plaid Cymru; and God's wrath to crude Catspaw.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:27 PM

Why do you think that your posts are so roundly condemned by members of this forum? Is it perhaps that your beliefs and postings are unacceptable to people of good will and education?

Catspaw has lost patience with your outpourings - I wonder why.

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:33 PM

To help with punctuation


Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:21 PM

WAV has not lost patience with Catspaw's outpourings either. I wonder why? ;-)

Nor has he lost patience with the fact that a number of people make it their daily ritual to congregate on this thread and personally attack him and call him names, even though it takes up some of their valuable time and it achieves nothing. Again, I wonder why?

He must be incredibly patient! ;-) Or...perhaps he is a masochist and enjoys the abuse? Or...making he's just taking the piss (as the Brits say) and is simply delighted when you all show up each day to pay attention, react to him, and hurl abuse? Or....maybe he is a sort of blithely innocent soul like the late William McGonagall, who toils on in unquestioning certainty that his creative efforts are not just good of their type...but absolutely classic, deserving of presentation to the Queen of England. If so, he will calmly persist in his efforts, and nothing anyone says here will suffice to persuade him to cease and desist. Nor should he. He has a right, like anyone, to express himself.

Anyway, my main point is that he is no less obsessive or silly than the rest of you. He's just on the other side of the battle line, that's all.

Me? I enjoy dropping in now and again to witness all this carnage and sound and fury signifying nothing. It's amusing. It's my daily chuckle. I hope WAV is enjoying it all too, because I don't like to see human beings in pain.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: peregrina
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:24 PM

What Little Hawk said. The baying vigilante mob is a horror even for a good cause...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Gervase
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:38 PM

It's a pretty significant battle line - racist bigot on one side, the civilised world on the other...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: s&r
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:49 PM

If I thought it would ever drop off the bottom, I'd stop posting. As it is I find myself unable to allow his posts to go unchallenged. I believe others are the same

Stu

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 03:10 PM

Little Hawk, you keep trying to take a position of aloof superior and speak as if you regard both those who express negative ideas and those who take a stand against them as if they were merely semi-interesting specimens in a Petri dish.

Remember what Dante said about the place in Hell reserved for those who maintain a "colorless neutrality" when confronted with moral questions?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 04:19 PM

As a matter of fact, I believe we discussed this once before, above. What I said above, I say again.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:13 PM

Wavy's parentage is always a source of mystery and conjecture and I was pretty sure his Mum had carnal knowledge of a Yak. Rrecently I learned she also went to San Francisco after hearing "Dock on the Bay" by Otis Redding. Seems she heard it as "cock" and was really excited about the trip.

Arriving late one afternoon she found no line of cocks as she had expected but bending over to look hopefully under the dock, her ass was penetrated by an out of control pelican trying to land. Both went into the bay and while the pelican floundered about trying to survive, Wavy's Mum was royally fucked by a rogue harbor seal with a bad case of seal syphillis. This might explain why Wavy's such a dumbass.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 06:06 AM

"It's a pretty significant battle line - racist bigot on one side, the civilised world on the other..." (Gervase)...that's false and defamatory - I love the world being multicultural, and have only questioned the act of immigration/emigration itself.
And I see crude Catspaw hasn't yet received God's wrath nor Mudcat's...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 10:10 AM

Naw...Don...you miss my point. My position on these things is not what you imagine at all. Too bad we couldn't talk about it down at the coffee shop sometime, though.

Spaw has a special exemption here, WAV, due to past history. It's like Bob Dylan has always had a recording exemption, for example...he can put a way out of tune electric guitar on one track (Queen Jane Approximately) or leave obvious mistakes in the middle of various recorded songs on his albums and he gets away with it only because he's Bob Dylan. Some people even LIKE hearing his mistakes because he's Bob Dylan.

Well, Spaw's position at Mudcat Cafe is sorta like that too. ;-) You would have had to be here a long time to understand why that is.

Then too, it's vital to know when people are being serious and when they're not. I enjoy this thread primarily for the light amusement, as I said. Could be that's what Spaw is doing too.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:00 AM

Wav, if you expect the Almighty to unleash a thunderbolt and obliterate Spaw, then you are probably in for a long wait with a disapointment at the end.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Gervase
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:57 AM

The almighty has already done his worst with Spaw. The man has to live with his own farts, for Pete's sake.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 12:25 PM

The fog creeps in on little cat's feet...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 12:26 PM

...maybe Wiki's "England's National Musical Instrument" (thread atop) on Catspaw's collar would do the job, rather!

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 12:32 PM

....................***sigh***..........so sadly true Gervase, so sadly true. But I have glorified my flatulence and now revel in its pungent wall of malodorus gases.

This is why I am so endeared of Wavydessicatednutsack. He has taken his ignorance and stupidity and glorified in much the same way. However his pungent wall of wretched smells is caused by his disreputable beliefs and his stubborn refusal to accept reality and truth.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 12:33 PM

that's false and defamatory - I love the world being multicultural, and have only questioned the act of immigration/emigration itself.

Wavy - you can can this until you're blue in the face, but the fact is you are a proven racist with a racist ideology who publishes racist propaganda. You only love the world being multi-cultural to justify your vision of a mono-cultural ethnically cleansed England. If you weren't racist, believe you me you'd see things very differently to the way you do - and you wouldn't come in for the flak that typifies the overwhelming contributions to your threads.

Not only have you questioned the act of immigration, you have done so on entirely false and specious grounds such as England was a more English place 50 years ago and English culture is taking a hammering etc. etc. When asked how English culture is taking a hammering, you evade the question; likewise when asked how society is suffering as a result. Not a single one of the reasons you have given for your opposition to immigration is anything but racist, even your much professed love of a multi-cultural WORLD.

England is a multi-ethnic country with a national population average of 13% made up of ethnic minorities. This is the reality of English cultural and ethnic diversity. If you wish to live happily in England, then you accept England as it is, not as you think it was 50 years ago. Join in the fun, Wavy - or else please go home to Australia and leave us in peace.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 02:03 PM

False and defamatory from someone with a short memory to boot - we went through cases of loss of culture/society suffering ad infinitum - who changes his stance (toward issues such as capitalism and TV) weekly, if not daily.
And then comes up with this: "please go home to Australia"!...okay, there was a proviso but no wonder you failed at formal studies IB - you just cannot analyse things clearly...much enthusiasm but very little training, it seems.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 02:48 PM

I'm afraid that David is nostalgic for a world that never was. There are a fair number of people such as this. It's the "good old days" or the "Golden Age" syndrome. Were one of these custodians of illusion to be time-machined back to the era they idealize, their disillusionment at what they really find there would quite probably be devastating.

Perhaps it's their general inability to cope, and they fasten onto a former time in which they feel they would fit.

Sad, but what can one do?

Unfortunately, though, David's ideas about his "pure English culture" seems to be based on his erroneous belief that there actually existed a time before immigration, and it's this sudden influx of immigrants that he blames for both "corrupting" English culture—and for taking jobs ("capitalistic immigration") away from English citizens (i.e., him).

I've seen this kind of thing before. In the United States, when affirmative action laws came into existence, there were people who blamed the laws for their own inability to find work, claiming that people from minority groups keep getting chosen over them. There were many who could manage to get down to the unemployment office to pick up their weekly check, but wouldn't stir off the sofa for the rest of the week and go looking for work. "Why bother?" they would rationalize, "They'll only give the job to a black or a Hispanic or a woman. . . ."   Blaming affirmative action for their not having gainful employment and thus having to live off their unemployment checks was a very convenient excuse for them to sit at home and watch soaps or spend their days hanging out at the local coffee shop or bar.

Amazing how quickly they got motivated—and managed to get a job despite affirmative action—when their unemployment insurance ran out.

Now, on another subject:

Spaw is one of nature's noblemen.

When I first posted on Mudcat on September 2, 1999, catspaw49 was one of the first people to warmly welcome me to this forum.   I find that he is generally friendly, informed, and both incisive and humorous in his comments. This is when the discussion is at least marginally rational.

It is when someone from the nincompoop brigade climbs aboard and begins trying to peddle pure blather, baloney, claptrap, drivel, twaddle, and gobbledygook that he often darts into the nearest phone booth to emerge a few seconds later wearing his cap-and-bells. On these occasions, he tends to pour forth such a burst of outrageously creative imagery that the heavens echo and ring with the laughter of the gods! One looks forward to these occasions!!

Catspaw49 is possessed of Super Powers!

Let 'er rip, Spaw!

In awe and admiration,

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Gervase
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 03:25 PM

False and defamatory!"
Tautologous and wrong, I'm afraid me old ocker. And we won't even start on the pleonasm.
I suggest you take a look at what defamation actually is. It's something false uttered or published to a third party which will tend to cause you loss in your trade or profession or cause a reasonable person to think worse of you.
As for 'false' - justification is a defence for defamation, matey. Look at the David Irvine case.
And as for the opinion of the man on the Clapham omnibus - you're doing a grand job at defaming yourself. With every successive post you come across as a blinkered, witless, naive and foolish individual prone to spouting the sort of drivel that the BNP and its ilk peddles softly to would-be sympathisers.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 03:28 PM

okay, there was a proviso but no wonder you failed at formal studies IB - you just cannot analyse things clearly...much enthusiasm but very little training, it seems.

That is petty and vicious, not to mention rich! You, Wav, are the one who has failed, despite your BA. The reason you didn't continue is quite obvious. You are incapable of looking into an issue in any depth, and your abilities and desire to conduct research are wanting.
Your methodology is sad and pathetic, you dictate a position and pick and choose your sources to match it, ignoring anything inconvenient. You think te best sources are horribly generalised and bland encyclopedia entries, as well as the unreliable wikipedia. No, it is definitely you who has failed at formal studies.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Gervase
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 05:17 PM

"you just cannot analyse things clearly...much enthusiasm but very little training, it seems"
Such a shame we can't all see things with the clarity that a BA in Humanities and four technical certificates gives one.
As for 'humanities', isn't that a bit vague and all encompassing? It's a bit like a BSc in Science - a quick spin around but no depth. At least Nick Griffin studied history and law - although he did only manage a Desmond.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 05:38 PM

False and defamatory from someone with a short memory to boot - we went through cases of loss of culture/society suffering ad infinitum - who changes his stance (toward issues such as capitalism and TV) weekly, if not daily.

Instances & examples, Wavy - remember, you are the one under scrutiny here - not because of what you believe in, but because of what you publish and promote. I do not publish my opinions, much less insist anything I believe is The Best Way Forward for Humanity. In this respect my approach to my life, and my craft, is entirely consistent, albeit fluid, unlike the leaden lifeless dogmatic mess you've mired yourself in.

And then comes up with this: "please go home to Australia"!...okay, there was a proviso but no wonder you failed at formal studies IB - you just cannot analyse things clearly...much enthusiasm but very little training, it seems.

Now this is false and defamatory, Wavy; it is also a deeply personal attack. As already discussed, I did not fail in my studies, rather I became ill with ME which forced my withdrawal from Durham University. This I originally mentioned in good faith, you have used it as ammunition against me ever since. What does that tell us about you? You might imagine how I feel about this; you also might imagine how it's going to be when our paths next cross in person.

Remember - you publish and promote your racist ideology; you also frequent this forum where you relentlessly (and mercilessly) promote your Life's Work. Whilst this gives me the right of criticism, it does not give you the right of personal attack.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 05:32 AM

"I've seen this kind of thing before. In the United States, when affirmative action laws came into existence, there were people who blamed the laws for their own inability to find work, claiming that people from minority groups keep getting chosen over them. There were many who could manage to get down to the unemployment office to pick up their weekly check, but wouldn't stir off the sofa for the rest of the week and go looking for work. "Why bother?" they would rationalize, "They'll only give the job to a black or a Hispanic or a woman. . . ."   Blaming affirmative action for their not having gainful employment and thus having to live off their unemployment checks was a very convenient excuse for them to sit at home and watch soaps or spend their days hanging out at the local coffee shop or bar." (naive Don)...I just heard an estimate that the number of UE here will soon double due to recession - and we know that New Labour have recently allowed record amounts of economic/capitalist immigration (only the last year or two have they strengthened regulations); and if you insist on being personal as well, there were, despite the conditions, a couple of Production Manager posts which I have just APPLIED for - with my 4 tech. certificates and degrre in humanities. You've also criticised my myspace attempts at music, before being politely asked if there's anything of yours we can check on the web..?.."blather, baloney, claptrap, drivel, twaddle, and gobbledygook"..?
Gervase - I'm an English NOT a British nationalist, who also supports Plaid Cymru and the Scottish Nationalists.
IB - " I do not publish my opinions"...that's an example of what I just said of you - you who repeatedly calls me a racist because I repeatedly question immigration/emigration; you don't analyse things clearly - another example, when I previously said New Labour have just recently strengthened immigration regulations with English tests, etc., you decided they are "all mother-fuckers"!
And I only ever question your analytical abilities when you call me a racist - when I have only questioned THE ACT OF IMMIGRATION ITSELF, not any particular race or culture. WITH SOME QUALIFAICATION, you could call me an anti-immigrationist but racist IS false and defamatory - DON'T publish it anymore.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:41 AM

The BNP is all about England for the English - but if you want to distance yourself from them by actually pointing out that you are even MORE blinkered and narrow-minded than they, go for your life. At least we're finally getting somewhere.

"Perhaps it's their general inability to cope, and they fasten onto a former time in which they feel they would fit."

Spot on, Don. Maybe Wavey should create a 1930s re-enactment society - he could sit in a cheerless brown room in front of a mean little coal fire, eating bread and cheese off a newspaper tablecloth, and chunter away to other similarly misanthropic and socially backward specimens - happily there was no internet in the 50s, so presumably we'd never have to hear from any of them again. Until, of course, they form some sort of Oswald Mosely tribute band.

"I just heard an estimate that the number of UE here will soon double due to recession"

Yes, but you've been sitting there on your arse during the boom years, Wavey, taking the English taxpayer's shilling because you couldn't get a job in your chosen profession - unlike all the immigrants (including me) who have done whatever work we could find, if need be, to keep ourselves and our families, and who have never claimed a penny in benefits.

As someone who has taught at undergraduate level, I'd like to be absolutely honest about what a BA proves: bugger all. I taught students whose language and reasoning skills were as piss-poor as yours, Wavey, and unfortunately, several of them walked out with a decent degree. Now, I can't speak for the Australian education system, but I'm not aware of it as a shining pinnacle of world academic excellence. So assuming the standards to be similar to those in the UK, there will be many different types of universities and institutions of higher education. Some of these are desperate for bums on seats (usually the ones whose academic credentials are a bit rubbish, and where pretty much anyone can get in because the twin mantras of Recruitment and Retention hold sway. They will pass anyone. Indeed, I found myself not allowed to fail students, because if we did, we wouldn't meet our targets.

So you see, Wavey, a bachelor's degree is just a bit of paper, and for some years now they've been handed round like sweets. It's what you do with the bit of paper that matters, whether it's using it as a stepping stone into further study or getting out and driving a forklift truck.

IB has proved over and over again that his capacity for critical analysis is first rate. He also has an intellectual curiosity which leads him to seek out specialist study, not wikipedia articles and one-volume encyclopediae. He is also very articulate and expresses himself with clarity and focus, and does not simply repeat the same lines of dogma until everyone wants to throttle him.

Based on your proven intellectual capacity, I wouldn't let you onto a hairdressing course, let alone into a university. Just because an admissions officer with some hardcore recruitment targets once took pity on you, please don't assume that this makes you the intellectual superior of anyone here, especially IB.


"DON'T publish it anymore"

If you can publish whatever old shite you like and pimp it round the internet, who are you to tell dictate what others can "publish", particularly when it's clearly based on conclusions anyone could draw from your writings?

England was more English 50 years ago...immigrants are coming here and taking jobs from native-born English people...English culture is taking a hammering...different cultures cannot live under one state law...

You are a racist, David. A nasty, narrow-minded, sad little racist. And I'll shout it from the flipping rooftops, as long as you continue to try and harness your poisonous ideology to the folk culture I love.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:52 AM

Wavy - maybe it's an example of my lack of analytical skills but for the life of me I can't make any sense of what you're saying here at all. Could you have another go? Or maybe someone else would be good enough to lend me a hand...

Otherwise, a simply apology would have been enough, but obviously your overweening arrogance doesn't extent so far as contrition.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:54 AM

Wav, analytical abilities have nothing to do with formal studies, if proof of that were needed, one needs look no further than YOU.

My challenge still stands, how many of the jobs you were passed over for were given to immigrants?

"Until, of course, they form some sort of Oswald Mosely tribute band."

Tastefully accompanying themselves on English flute and English cittern, top-line melody only of course.

"I remember the days when we went walk-aboutsy,
to Cable Street, to fight Anarchy,
When England was English, e.g.,
When people grew ivy and had roast for tea,
When Our Own Good Culture was unsoiled by singing in harmony!"

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: irishenglish
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 09:31 AM

WAV, this was one of your responses to Don's excellent post.

" Blaming affirmative action for their not having gainful employment and thus having to live off their unemployment checks was a very convenient excuse for them to sit at home and watch soaps or spend their days hanging out at the local coffee shop or bar." (naive Don)."

Why is that naive? That absolutely has happened. You who only visited America wouldn't have a clue about that anyway, so why don't you take Don's word for it. Most people want to work, and most people don't want handouts. Something Ruth said as well that I think is important. In a difficult time, you take ANY job you can lay your hands on, be it washing dishes or working for McDonalds. Its soul sucking, but its also money that you need. Or you work 2 crappy jobs, or even 3 jobs. My wife has done that, living in her own place, supporting herself, living off of ramen noodles and peanut butter, but she did it. Your ad infinitum excuses grow wearisome simply because you seem either incapable, or unwilling to do much other than blather on about top line cittern playing country dancing. In every thread you have begun, verifiable proof from multiple sources have proven you wrong in your thinking. Ruth is correct as well when she says that piece of paper you treasure actually means much. Sure, it means you had an area of focus that you took the time to complete, but every thing else after that point comes from you-you have to find and get yourself a job. If you wanted a guaranteed job you should have skipped the courses and did something that, as here in the states, leads automatically to a job, like police or fire, or some medical jobs.

Your manifesto which you cling to as if it were a life preserver while adrift at sea is wearisome. You seem incapable of fully elaborating and elucidating your reasoning, which is why you resort to the same quotes, time after weary time.

What I really think WAV is that you should stop finding blame in life. Stop compaining about how what you think of as folk is not "proper" folk because of one thing or another. Stop blaming other people for your difficulties in getting a job. Stop blaming people for misunderstanding you, when you really don't do a good job of explaining yourself without resort to repeating yourself.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:00 PM

"The BNP is all about England for the English - but if you want to distance yourself from them by actually pointing out that you are even MORE blinkered and narrow-minded than they, go for your life. At least we're finally getting somewhere." (Ruth)...that after I just said I support Plaid Cymru and the Scottish Nationalists, as well as English NOT British nationalism - so who's "blinkered and narrow-minded"?
"Yes, but you've been sitting there on your arse during the boom years, Wavey, taking the English taxpayer's shilling because you couldn't get a job in your chosen profession" (Ruth Archer/Joan Crumb)...false and defamatory from someone who somehow has a job with the National Council, who, in my opinion, should be having words.
"IB has proved over and over again that his capacity for critical analysis is first rate. He also has an intellectual curiosity which leads him to seek out specialist study, not wikipedia" it was actually IB, Ruth, who, on the "England's National Musical Instrument" thread posted the Wiki. site that lists national instruments - including Englands.
"You are a racist, David. A nasty, narrow-minded, sad little racist" and "Just because an admissions officer with some hardcore recruitment targets once took pity on you," (Ruth Archer/Joan Crumb of the National Council - who surely SHOULD be having words.)

"Wavy - maybe it's an example of my lack of analytical skills but for the life of me I can't make any sense of what you're saying here at all. Could you have another go? Or maybe someone else would be good enough to lend me a hand...Otherwise, a simply apology would have been enough, but obviously your overweening arrogance doesn't extent so far as contrition." (IB)...some may not mind being called racist but I hate it, and "fight" back with words against it. On the other hand, when you suggested 2 months before was too early to post "Cob a Coaling" on myspace, I explained my reasoning and then suggested I'll probably leave it till one month before next year - in partial agreement/without any questioning of your analytical abilities. But what I will keep questioning is the act of immigration/emigration itself, from SEVERAL angles - as New Labour, e.g., must also have recently done/as is acceptable within a democracy.

"Wav, analytical abilities have nothing to do with formal studies, if proof of that were needed, one needs look no further than YOU." (Volgadon)...yes, there are of course different ways of learning: I, e.g., have taught myself informally to read and write/mimic music - just the top-line melody, mind.
"My challenge still stands, how many of the jobs you were passed over for were given to immigrants?" (Volgadon)...I'd like to ignore this, but your style involves reposting it ad infinitum so - no idea.

IE - you didn't repost the full quote I was responding to, see above. and we are obliged here to broaden our jobsearch - as I HAVE done (like Ruth, you are ASSUMING things). The responses are repetative because the questions are repetative.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: mandotim
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:12 PM

The spelling mistakes are repetitive too...
Tim

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:23 PM

Probably just a true English spelling Tim.................

Wavybigotboy, why not go walkabout again and this time leave your pen at home. Also leave your current beliefs there as well. Open your eyes and ears and perhaps your mind will follow suit. Someday the truths that are out there and free to any and all who wish to see them might actually illuminate your long recovery and return to the world of caring and loving human(e) beings.

Or you could just get another blow-job from your Mum.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:34 PM

'that after I just said I support Plaid Cymru and the Scottish Nationalists, as well as English NOT British nationalism - so who's "blinkered and narrow-minded"?'

You, Wavey. you're proud that you want even more tiny, insular little boxes than the BNP.

Sorry, who's meant to be having words with me? I am championing our Good English Culture (yep - it's mine too) and protecting it from racist Little Englanders. Surely whoever this mysterious "Council" I work for is should be giving me a big, grateful cuddle.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:06 PM

I'm not going to assume that the last Guest was Ruth Archer/Joan Crump as in "The National Council at its meeting on 17 May 2008 agreed to nominate ... Joan Crump" from Google, but I stand by that said above (apart from the spelling of the surname); and note that this time you attacked not only me but also the "university...admissions officer with some hardcore recruitment targets once took pity on you,".

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:13 PM

"Naive?" I don't think so, David. You don't know diddly-squat about me or my life experiences. Believe me, "naive" I am not.

But judging from the vociferousness of your response, I seem to have hit a pretty sore spot. Quite revealing. Maybe you should examine that a bit.

Or maybe you shouldn't. You might not like what you find.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:31 PM

I've read a lot of what you've had to say about yourself on Mudcat, Don, and that last post of yours was naive - when you examine it "a bit" note that you started with "I've seen this kind of thing before" - in reference to the situation here, where, as said, unemployment is expected to be double soon.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:38 PM

600 is big
600 is brawny
600 Spartans
went to their glory.