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Subject: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,Logged out catter Date: 30 Nov 09 - 08:16 PM This is very personal, so I'd rather not give my name. I'm female, 55 years old - went through menopause about 4 years ago. I have not dated much, but a friendship became intimate a week or so ago. It was a disaster - very painful. I guess I should have known my body had changed, but I was unprepared for how unpleasant and difficult the experience was. He sensed my discomfort and it was very awkward. I don't know if that put him off completely, but I've been researching things I can do to avert a situation like this in the future,if an opportunity happens again. I have an appointment for a checkup in six months - but my doctor already told me he doesn't think any kind of hormones would be a good idea due to my family history. I've been trying to read up on solutions for menopausal dryness on the internet, since I think this was the cause of the problem. Several "long lasting" moisturizers are mentioned, and of course there are lubricants such as KY, and I guess I'll try some of these products. I know that there IS sex after menopause, but is it ever like it used to be??? I was hopeful that there would be some intimacy in my life after more than seven years of celibacy, but this has really upset me and I don't know if I want to try again. This experience was embarrassing and really wrecked my confidence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: michaelr Date: 30 Nov 09 - 08:37 PM The answer is yes, of course. My wife and I are both 54. She is still waiting for menopause (and would consider you quite lucky to have got it over with so early). Even so, things are changing. Most noticeable (in both of us) is a drop in libido, i.e. sexual desire, and therefore frequency. Vaginal dryness is a fact of life in middle age, but is easily dealt with. We use a lubricant called Add Magic from this company. Plain old saliva works, too. I suspect that much of what is problematic about sex in middle age is psychological - body image, self-confidence etc. The fact that you were friends before you became lovers should ease some of that. That's really what intimacy is about after a certain age: the friendship is paramount to the sex. You can still make it work. And it's worth it. Best of luck! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Amos Date: 30 Nov 09 - 08:44 PM What Michael said. Make it work and it will be well worth it. Embarassment is not part of the equation. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Gurney Date: 30 Nov 09 - 09:11 PM Sex after menopause? Oh yes. Long after. Michael has it down pat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: wysiwyg Date: 30 Nov 09 - 09:13 PM Feel free to PM for frank, confidential discussion. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,Also logged off Date: 30 Nov 09 - 09:33 PM Yes, it's just slightly different but just as marvellous. My female partner is 60, I'm a male of 55yrs. Whils it's true to say we don't have sex as often, it's still very enjoyable and a very important part of our 20+ tear relationship. KY jelly and / or saliva are excellent as lubricants. Without a lubricant sex would be uncomfortable (for us). Please don't be downhearted, you'll get there. Best wishes and good luck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Janie Date: 30 Nov 09 - 09:39 PM Yes. Definitely find a lubricant that suits you and your partner. In addition to those mentioned above, coconut oil, which is a very light oil, works well also. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: MGM·Lion Date: 30 Nov 09 - 09:49 PM My late wife had an early menopause. After being a mature student, not graduating till her early 30s after we were married [why I still live near Cambridge tho a Londoner originally], she had her menopause a couple of years later — this was why we remained childless. We found that, given aids available [eg KY to overcome concomitant dryness problems], our sex life improved immeasurably thru not having to make career.v.family decisions or bother with contraception. She was a career woman (journalist, writer, academic); & tho not opposed to the idea of children, who would have been welcomed & loved if they had occurred, we were neither of us committed to parenthood: this was fortunately something we agreed totally about. So, as I say, the removal of such factors was one of the things which militated in favour of an improved sex life after this early menopause. It continued improving until well into our 50s-60s, when we discovered the delights of 'tantric' — until unhappily destroyed by the retrogressive effects of the degenerative disease which was ultimately the cause of her death at 72. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,Logged out catter Date: 30 Nov 09 - 11:27 PM Thanks. I am feeling more positive. It had been a long time, and I think I may have been expecting too much. I guess what used to just happen naturally now has to be helped along. I need to talk to my friend and explain what happened, because I know he sensed something was amiss and I hope he didn't think it was his fault. I appreciate the words of encouragement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Dec 09 - 01:57 AM Been with my wife nearly 30 years. I'm 50, she's 48. We're entering the irregular periods, mood swings & hot flushes, and restless fidgetting about in bed phase of her life cycle.. She has always had a healthy 'appetite' and requires a few minutes lazy cuddly habitual sex most mornings to wake her up enough so she get out of bed to go to work. No problems with her 'natural body lube' functions yet. She expects me to perform without fail, and so far so good... But since an episode of painful friction soreness a couple of years ago I have been secretly smearing a dob of vaseline around my foreskin before I go to bed, just to speed things up a bit and protect my delicate 'banjo string' from further injury. fingers crossed for a long healthy future together... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 01 Dec 09 - 03:51 AM Logged-out, I can't comment on menopause in particular, but remember younger people use 'lubricants' too for intimate sexual play. It doesn't have to be looked at as a remedy to a problem, but err adding an extra aspect to having fun. Ever used massage oils? I don't really need to point out your intimate options there - though it is worth being careful of certain irritant oils (like citrus and spice oils - though when heavily diluted these can be err 'warming' in a good way) on your private bits! The ancients believed strongly in the aphrodisiac/erotic properties of essential oils. In fact I have somewhere, a book on erotic aromatherapy - you could try integrating bathing together, heady scents, pre-sex sensual touching with oils and so-on to help ease you into your next attempt perhaps? Sensual Aromatherapy Just a thought. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: VirginiaTam Date: 01 Dec 09 - 04:33 AM Get Replens and follow the instructions. Check what can nutritionally help. Soya products maybe for the estrogen simulation, unless your doc says "no" due to familial hormone difficulties. Sometimes it just takes more mental lubricant to get the physical juices flowing. Try reading and writing erotic literature together. Put your fantasies on paper and read them to each other. Some find that scening, dressing up (or down) and acting out their fantasies works. EVOO - extra virgin olive oil if you don't like the feel of KY and are worried about petroleum based lubricants such as vaseline. I am not going to mention turkey baster... oops! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 01 Dec 09 - 07:43 AM I'm 54 and I've decided to never have 'the menopause' in the first place. Gawd, what a name...what a 'sympton'...what a 'thing' for women to dread and fear...and get neurotic over. Just carry on as ever..go "Phew!" occasionally, put more sparkly eyeshadow on and a little more lipstick, curl your hair, wear your sparkliest earrings and laugh at 'your own weather climate' as Julie Walters once said...You can save money on fuel bills for a start! ;0) And think of all the slippery slidey things that can help to go bump in the night, 'cos that will bring a big grin to your face when your in the middle of doing the supermarket shopping...or...er..shopping organically in your local store, if you still have one... Orgasmically Organic Shopping...Mmmmmmm..... (opens up a whole new use for Olive Oil, huh? Someone send for Popeye immediately!) ;0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST Date: 01 Dec 09 - 07:44 AM Every story is different. Menopause is a syndrome. 50% of woman report mild or virtually no symptoms. 20% report debilitating symptoms, divorce and suicide in the most serious cases. Menorrhagia being one particularly uncomfortable symptom. there are 2 distinct types of HRT tablet, patches and supositories. In my partners case she tried 3 and gave up. I had to contend with her low self -esteem and all the PMS/PMT swings with the tablets. It all ended (for me) in a parting of the ways. Her choice, I didn't argue - any more. The sex wasn't absent though. Just needed consideration. And patience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 01 Dec 09 - 07:47 AM Sorry, spluttering here.... :0) I've just had this very naughty vision of a man's smile... "Darlink, I'm soooo sorry, but things are a little droughty down below, sooooooo I'm going to have to put some olive oil on your particulars. I hope you don't mind...and I'm sorry to cause you embarrassment, but...............Now keep still, this won't hurt a bit....." And his smile lit up the room so much more brightly than the latest European Legislated Useless Light Bulb that her neighbours were hammering on the door asking if she had a secret supply of old-fashioned 100watt illegal bulbs in her cupboard... LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Abdul The Bul Bul Date: 01 Dec 09 - 10:48 AM The TURKEY BASTER!! and I thought I was wierd VT. Must get some Extra EXTRA virgin although that doesn't sound quite appropriate. Al |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: maire-aine Date: 01 Dec 09 - 11:01 AM Get ye to a sympathetic, female gynecologist now! Don't wait for 6 months. She can help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: VirginiaTam Date: 01 Dec 09 - 11:21 AM Very important to keep sex light and fun. Try daring each other to do things. Both go through the same till at supermarket, pretending not to know each other, with only 2 items in your basket. Check the look on the cashier's face when the second of you goes through with only KY jelly and a cucumber. priceless |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Jack Blandiver Date: 01 Dec 09 - 11:34 AM Wonderful stuff, CS, VT & LC. One word of warning with lubrication, don't confuse the Vic for the Vaseline, and be sure to keep Clove Oil well out of the equation. Otherwise I'd say sex only ends with death, at least it does in the sense of delicious mutuality, otherwise I couldn't possibly comment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Michael Date: 01 Dec 09 - 11:36 AM Abdul, if you've got any Extra Virgins can I have one? Thanks in advance Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Dec 09 - 11:47 AM Earlier in the year I persuaded my wife to book an appointment at the local Women's Health Clinic after she started getting a bit over-anxious and frustrated about increasingly irregular bleeding. A very capable nice older woman Dr reassured her that everything tested well and ok for her age; but to expect the unexpected as part of natures process from now onwards.. The Dr did suggest next time she has her coil changed to consider one with long term hormone implants, But i've forgotten what symptoms that would be supposed to help deal with. Not too sure about that since she made a concious decision to get off the pill about 15 years ago, and we're both very wary about interfering with our natural body chemistry. [local cider doesn't count.. thats natural and good for you..] Still, time will tell.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Abdul The Bul Bul Date: 01 Dec 09 - 12:24 PM Actually Mike I recall in my rugby playing days being in Inverness I had to return to England for a party and about 24 young ladies on the train back....... Suibhne, how many times has sex ended in death for you? I've got away with it so far. Al |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Jack Blandiver Date: 01 Dec 09 - 12:30 PM Well, don't the French call it The Little Death or some such thing? Were I to fail to satisfy; In vain the death I long to die... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: dick greenhaus Date: 01 Dec 09 - 12:45 PM And then there's the couple who couldn't tell vaseline from putty and. . . . . all their windowa fell out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,hg Date: 01 Dec 09 - 12:52 PM Close and delete this thread. It belongs on a gynecology site. ONce again Lizzie is disgusting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Bobert Date: 01 Dec 09 - 01:00 PM As others have said (or not): fu*kin' a, there is!!! And danged good, to boot... I reckon tho, if the ol' car ain't been run in a while that it might not start right up and go on the first crank... Maybe just a little more warm up time... Maybe a little maintence... Maybe a little lube... Maybe a little doctorin'... I donno, but don't quit now and, fir gosh sakes, talk with yer yer partner so he don't feel all creeped out... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 01 Dec 09 - 01:08 PM Oohoh, how could I have forgotten this volume!? Scrummy, unctuous, girly goodness: Botanica Erotica I might post a cocoa butter recipe up from my copy laters. Cocoa butter incidentally, is one of the very nicest things to use on the skin and intimate bits, as the scent is warm and very mildly musky.. And while we're at it - so to speak, how about Delta of Venus Classic French naughty stories, very elegant gentle stuff. Some American collector paid Anais Nin something like a doller a page for these stories, but repeatedly grumbled as it wasn't graphic or explicit enough for him - YMMV of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: katlaughing Date: 01 Dec 09 - 01:09 PM I highly recommend Susan Weed's book, Menopausal Years the Wise Woman Way. It was from I learned to take dandelion root, hawthorne berry, and motherwort tinctures for menopausal symptoms which I had fairly young having been "spayed" in my mid20s. I have never had any dryness, but she has advice for that, too. I also highly recommend Dr. Betty Dodson's ADULT CONTENT SITE.9WARNING: sex toys and frank discussions. She has been telling it like it is for years and engaging her readers to also participate in discussions. I see she's got a whole new site which looks easier to navigate. Be sure to scroll down the righthand side for topics. Good for you for asking and for having the courage to speak with your friend. Don't mind the prudes. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Dec 09 - 02:05 PM Dr. Christiane Northrup has written extensively about this, and has a book that I picked up recently on the Wisdom of Menopause, or something like that. She looks at lots of alternative to many aspects of this conversation. I experienced the rapid surgical menopause after a hysterectomy for cancer surgery. My doctor said it was too soon for menopause, based upon my mom's history, so I took a compounded HRT for several years. Insurance company messed that up and after two years of a too-strong pill form, I dropped it. The combination of testosterone and estrogen is meant to encourage the interest in sex and help with the lubrication issues. I've dropped the testosterone because it seems the FDA didn't approve this use. But you can get compounds to suit your needs, and you can work out your own recipe with your doctor (see the Northrup books, she discussed compounding medications in the appendix usually). Our logged-out Mudcatter said there was a family history and a hormone replacement contraindication, so this might not be a good solution for her. If it is an estrogen issue, then if you were to get a topical methyl-testosterone cream, it will stay testosterone. The problem with a compound including a bio-identical testosterone is that your body can convert that to estrogen. If you use methyl-t, keep it to a very low dose, similar to what you would produce yourself. There are some side effects for women who use too much of it. One pharmacist I spoke with said women have complained when the amount was over 2.5 milligram, but I found even half of that too high (weight gain). I found .5 to .8 was sufficient to have a beneficial effect. I would hesitate to use any oily lubricant, especially if you have any problems with yeast-type infections. Also, condoms shouldn't be used with some of the oily materials (vaseline, for starters). You should practice safe sex even after menopause, until a relationship is well-enough established to be assured you'll be safe without. If you stick with water soluble lube then your own body's natural cleansing is able to more easily clean it out. Getting into a habit of douching to remove oily material isn't that good for you, and if it stays in place, the oil can hold in flora and let some of the resident not-so-good ones bloom. There is a very open and upfront store called Good Vibrations that has a lot of products to choose from. Even if you don't order online, it is a place to compare products and they offer a lot of customer and employee ratings for comparison. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Bill D Date: 01 Dec 09 - 02:17 PM re:lubricants... Coconut oil!!! (probably from a health food store....the pure stuff) $3-4 jar lasts forever. It is far better than KY or most commercial oils...etc. (yes...the rest of you may try it also) Age is just a condition which changes the details. You wouldn't want to do serious gymnastics past 50 (40?), but exercise is good. Same with sex. *smile* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: gnu Date: 01 Dec 09 - 03:37 PM From: michaelr - PM Date: 30 Nov 09 - 08:37 PM The answer is yes, of course. My wife and I are both 54. She is still waiting for menopause (and would consider you quite lucky to have got it over with so early). Even so, things are changing. Most noticeable (in both of us) is a drop in libido, i.e. sexual desire, and therefore frequency. Many pauses? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Will Fly Date: 01 Dec 09 - 03:48 PM Close and delete this thread. It belongs on a gynecology site. ONce again Lizzie is disgusting. Lizzie is NOT disusting - just open, healthy and frank. And this is an excellent and valuable thread. I'm 65 and my wife of 43 years is 64. We have a happy and fulfilling sex life - perhaps not as often as we used to but, what the hell, often enough to leave us both satisfied. And we've never used lubricants, ropes, pulleys, elastic, rubber or any other aids of any sort. Deep down - in spite of occasional trials, tribulations, arguments, worries, anger, hate, apathy, resentment - there's contentment, humour, laughter, teasing, sheer silliness, and a huge acceptance of the human condition. Here's a pointer: when we married, my wife knew that the focus of my life was music. She knew that I had to make music, had to go out and perform. And - not once in 43 years - has she ever said a word about my constant practising, the gigging, the running off to sessions, the incessant playing and recording. She, for her part, has gone off with old friends to places all over the world without me, who has no inclination for such wanderlusts. And I've never complained or worried about that. Acceptance of each other for what we are is the heart of all relationships - the rest follows. So don't worry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Dec 09 - 04:53 PM We went though that phase but found a very good therapist who advised us just to take things easy, as they happen. Well, nothing happened for a few weeks until all of a sudden I saw here taking a packet of frozen peas out of the chest freezer. She was bent over with her skirt drawn tight across her buttocks and I just could resist. Best sex we ever had. Mind you, I don't think I can show my face in Sainsburys again... :D (eG) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: michaelr Date: 01 Dec 09 - 07:00 PM gnu - :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,Logged out catter Date: 01 Dec 09 - 07:16 PM Thanks to all who have shared advice. My friend will be out of town til after the holidays, so I have some time to experiment with moisturizers, etc. and may try to get an appointment with my doctor. I'd really like for things to work out. I have spoken to him by phone and email - I don't think he is upset so maybe it wasn't as much of a disaster as I thought. I'm game to try again, but this time properly prepared. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Abdul The Bul Bul Date: 01 Dec 09 - 10:18 PM Good for you LOC, and remember, it's not just the penetrative bit. It's also the fun time leading up to that. If he's an older guy, he's got concerns too and may need some help and encouragement to meet his role. It's OK for me getting the old man to respond but keeping him there is not automatic anymore. Al |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Genie Date: 02 Dec 09 - 12:33 AM Sex after menopause? Is there? If someone finds out, please let me know. OK?* *Just kidding.** **I have it from reliable sources that such a thing does exist. ; D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Sawzaw Date: 02 Dec 09 - 12:38 PM Hell yes. 64 and still at it, just not quite as often. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,hg Date: 02 Dec 09 - 12:48 PM come on folks...most people don't want to hear about your lubricants or how much your old coot can get it up. save this for some other site. It doesn't belong here. Don't you want to keep something about your lives private? It's rally not that interesting and basically kinda gross. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Donuel Date: 02 Dec 09 - 12:58 PM When I was in my thirties I had a girlfriend in menopause. Wow, she knew things. She knew how to give a double orgasm to a man within a minute of the first. I dare say there sure is sex after meno. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 02 Dec 09 - 01:19 PM HG, one wonders why you chose to return to reading this thread, seeing as you found it so awful last time! Anyway, Logged-Out - do remember there are alternatives to full penetration. The skin in the vagina, can (so I understand) undergo some degree of thinning during meneopause which alongside the reduction in natural lubrication result in a high degree of sensitivity and indeed potential discomfort - for both partners. Perhaps try remembering back to early sexual exploration? The taboo aspect of full penetration, once upon a time at least, inclined many young couples to explore alternative options to sexual experiences with each other: breasts/cleavage, hands, mouths, armpits, feet/toes, between the buttocks - you name it - can become a part of *complete* orgasmic sexual play for both parties, without the necessity for vaginal penetrative intercourse (and without the need for condoms too!). It's really a matter of what alternative erogenous zones, you and your partner feel like discovering in/with each other. If penetration itself is discomforting, why not spend a gentle Sunday afternoon, playing at rediscovering your inner-teenagers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Bill D Date: 02 Dec 09 - 01:40 PM there are FAR worse things than honest discussions of ideas to help someone... it's not like there were links to porn.) "...one wonders why you chose to return to reading this thread, seeing as you found it so awful last time!" Somehow, this old joke popped into my mind.... *giggle* An old woman telephoned to the police complaining that small boys were bathing naked in a river across from her house. An officer was sent to tell them to move farther down the river. A bit later she called up again: " I was out on my porch, and I can still see them!" Once more a policeman went forth to tell then to move WAY up stream. Half an hour later, the police station phone rang again: "If go up to my attic window, I can still see them," woman said, "through my field glasses." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: VirginiaTam Date: 02 Dec 09 - 01:46 PM Thank you CS. I don't understand why Hg keeps returning if so put off by the topic. Must be kinda like an accident. Can't drag eyes away from it. Anyway there is this Tied Up In A Sack aka The Bundling Song |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Art Thieme Date: 02 Dec 09 - 03:11 PM Yes,---right before a cigarette! Art |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: VirginiaTam Date: 02 Dec 09 - 03:24 PM This thread, as it is, is jolly good fun, informative, healthy and helpful. Let's let it stay that way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: katlaughing Date: 02 Dec 09 - 06:43 PM Well, there is a *serious* scholarly folkloric thread UP ABOVE with sex in it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: wysiwyg Date: 03 Dec 09 - 10:15 AM L-o C: http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=125446&desc=yes#2779541 ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: Sawzaw Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:47 PM I forgot to mention the secret ingredient. Astroglide http://www.astroglide.com/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: JohnInKansas Date: 04 Dec 09 - 12:30 PM While menopause is one factor that is of some significance, it is only one of a whole spectrum of life changes that can, if permitted, inhibit "sex" as the age of the partners advances. If one persists in the notion that the "20 second spurt" is the only thing that "sex" is about, then it's likely that "sex" will become less readily accomplished with the progression of age (if it hasn't already become boring enough to be completely abandoned). As long as the desire to induce physical (sexual) pleasure in one's partner continues, it often becomes necessary to explore extension and variation of techniques, the acquisition and application of supplies and tools/apparatus, additional attention to settings and mood, and the willingness to "work a little harder." (No pun intended.) With appropriate attention to the needs of both partners, "sex" - although it may be somewhat different from the "slam and bam" of youth - can only get better, if only for the reason that for both partners it requires more effort and It John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,Temp. logged out catter Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:17 PM L-o-C: I had my first full orgasm (with a long-term partner)after the menopause, and when his problem with acute premature ejaculation had succumbed to the passing years. It's a long story, and not for public consumption. I wish you luck, even if I don't share your lubrication issues. I see no problem with discussing such subjects. If we'd been able to have these kind of discussions when we were young there would have been less problems of many kinds. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: akenaton Date: 04 Dec 09 - 03:54 PM The only good thing about geriatric sex is that it tends to mist up all the mirrors! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sex after menopause - is there? From: GUEST,erbert Date: 05 Dec 09 - 11:57 AM sex into retirement and even later life ? .. the reason God gave us all imagination, eye-lids and incontinence pants ! |
