Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 02:26 PM

Blackcatter, thanks for the info on the sound barrier. I'm just glad I wasn't the first to try to exceed it without the protection of an airplane.
I started this thread after watching a TV show that I thought might appeal to fans of the song. It has been interesting to see the convolutions of the other posts.                  
You should just ignore the spammers. They get off on riling you up. Incidentally, I read somewhere that it has been scientifically proved that 99.9% of the guys who go around boasting about the size if their equipment are sadly lacking in that department. In other words, "IVOR" probably DOESN'T!

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Blackcatter
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 06:48 PM

Hi GUEST,Guest.

Don't worry about me and the Trolls (spammers). They don't usually like it when someone responds in a reasonable fashion. And the simple fact is none of them stay around all that long. I've been active at Mudcat for 5 years now, no real troll can say honestly say the same.

Anyone who thinks that lovers of folk music AREN'T often times trades people is clearly clueless about what folk music is all about.

Thanks for starting the thread. I stopped getting cable back in December and enjoyed the Mythbusters shows while I could, but didn't see the episode which started this conversation.

pax y'all

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: GUEST,ivor biginnin
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 05:06 AM

Who said anything about spamming. This happens to be my real name!Reasonable? argument? I don't see any of that here.I only see the usual smug people hiding behind guest and daft names making half arsed assumptions about people.Your talk on penis size only justifies my remarks about pissing contests.

Who said anything about trades people? Again assumptions.Your usual building site labourer - like your deep sea fisherman - does not have a lot of time for folk music they much prefare country and western. It is just like I said in the previouse messages your heads are that far up your arses with your own self importance you don't know about the real world.That song is about a hod carrier,who in there eyes - justifieably so - are the elite of the building trade. He would be very offended if he was called a "Tradesperson" reserving a lot of contempt for bricklayers,joiners,heating engineers etc.

Your remark about it being impossible to hold on to rope to get to the ground agains go to show how out of touch you tossers are.I have seen competitions on sites between hod carriers called "racing round the scaffolding", a variation that was used on sailing ships since Nelsons time.You would climb the scaffolding using only the poles and then use the rope over the "Gin" wheel,the pulley wheel in the song, to descend.The last one down got the first round in the pub.

And the bit about compensation? Well you have to use your imagination for that,which like a sense of humour is something you crowd of pricks are lacking.

Wake up at the back there!!! get out and learn about life and get out of the coccoon of this cosy collective ego massaging

I have been around a lot of time debunking you frauds and charlatons and will continue to do this.

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 12:52 PM

Hey Ivor,
You got so het up there that you finally contributed something useful to our discusion with your account of "racing around the scaffolding". Congratulations and welcome to the world of folk music.
FYI, I have been a hod carrier for a slater. Bloody heavy those slates are and trying to walk on a slate roof with a bit of dew or light rain is rather dangerous. I got a desk job after that scary period.

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: GUEST,Cheap Tracks
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 02:29 PM

To get back on topic hear - there don't seem to be any strong opinions about the "third rail" theory.

I have one.

A small stream of liquid exits a nozzle at a constant velocity. As gravity acts on the stream the liquid accelerates toward the ground per the above information regarding fatal falls from a chair.

As the liquid accelerates toward earth a given volume of liquid is "stretched" over a distance of ever increasing length. The result of this is that the steady stream quickly breaks into a stream of discrete dropletes that are not connected.

Unless the daring individual's peepee was quite close to the third rail (inches), I don't believe it would be possible to have the steady stream of liquid which would be necessary to complete the circuit between the peepee and the rail.

I vote for FALSE on this one.

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 05:55 PM

Hiya Cheap Tracks.

If I remember correctly, that's pretty much what the Mythbusters guys discovered. A "stream" of pee isn't exactly that - it is a series of disconnected droplets.

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Blackcatter
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 07:09 PM

The Guest above was me at work (Shhhh - don't tell my boss)

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Cheap Tracks
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 07:12 PM

"If I remember correctly, that's pretty much what the Mythbusters guys discovered. A "stream" of pee isn't exactly that - it is a series of disconnected droplets."

But I'm not going to attempt to prove my theory!

(looks like I figured out how to log in)

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Blackcatter
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 07:45 PM

Well, that's why the Mythbusters guys used a dummy. Same thing with the Dear Boss guy.

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 12:08 AM

I remembered a "peeing on the third rail" case in Chicago that I thought had appeared in the Darwin Awards
http://www.darwinawards.com/
but a search didn't turn it up. A GOOGLE search found this item.
Before this discussion goes much further, potential participants might want to check out the actual honest-to-God factual background of the case in question. The decision of the Illinois Supreme Court is available at _Lee v. Chicago Transit Authority,_ 152 Ill.2d 432, 605 N.E.2d 493 (1992). In that decision, the state Supreme Court *affirmed* a verdict in favor of the decedent's estate; the eventual award was $1.5 million plus $300,000 in accrued post-judgment interest. A couple of things should be pointed out at the beginning: The decedent was not killed because he urinated on the third rail. He crossed onto the property, *presumably* to urinate, and came into physical contact with the third rail. Furthermore, the jury found that the decedent was contributorily negligent, and found the CTA liable for only 50% of the plaintiff's damages.

Short account from the court opinion:

Plaintiff's decedent, Sang Yeul Lee (lee), a 46-year-old Korean immigrant who was unable to read English, attended a party on the evening of October 21, 1977. On his way home, Lee entered a CTA right-of-way at the intersection of Kedzie Avenue and the Ravenswood railway line in Chicago, apparently in order to urinate. The right-of-way was posted with signs, placed on a utility shed and on sawhorses at each side of the tracks, warning "Danger," "Keep Out," and "Electric Current." Parallel to the tracks and approximately 6-1/2 feet from the sidewalk lay a street-level third rail. The purpose of the rail, which carried 600 volts of electricity, was to supply power to trains as they passed through the street-level crossing. The CTA had laid uneven-edge boards, about six inches apart, called "jaws" on its right-of-way next to the sidewalk in order to make pedestrians aware that they were not meant to walk in that area. The uneven surface of the boards, also known as "cattle boards,"[1] makes it impossible for cattle and difficult for persons to walk atop them. The "jaws" at Kedzie Avenue extended between the end of the third rail and the sidewalk and were also placed on either side of the rail and between the tracks. Lee, whose blood-alcohol level of 0.341 placed him in the "stupor" classification of intoxication[2], made contact with the third rail and suffered fatal injuries. . . .

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 08:07 PM

Pat's website says that, contrary to popular opinion, he did not base the song on Hoffnung's 1958 speech to the Oxford Union. Each of them based his presentation on an English music hall recitation from the 1920's, which was printed as a story in Reader's Digest in 1937. I kid you not.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From:
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 07:18 PM

Discovery Channel in Canada is showing the Bricks episode of Mythbusters next Monday, Jan 10th. 7PM Atlantic or 6PM Eastern and repeats on Tuesday at 1AM Atlantic time or 3AM Eastern

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:10 AM

We just had the first episode - the Jato car - this week here in Aus on SBS. My only real comment is that for guys who have been doing this sort of thing for years for Movies, they seem to be well intentioned bumblers with little evidence of much forward planning, but very watchable.

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: John Hardly
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 04:10 PM

I thought I reached terminal velocity once. I found out that it was merely "feeling very poorly" velocity. I was so relieved to find that I was not, in fact, terminal that soon reached "completely well" velocity, which is, as we all know, 98.6 degrees farenheit.

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:51 AM

A Rq

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:57 AM

A Story: Well, Hardly John....

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 10:17 AM

Guest; Martin: (22 Feb) Mentions filker Tom Smith, and The Really Sick Note
It appears that all of Tom's lyrics are now on-line, from "Superman's sex-life boogie" to the heart-rending "Starlight & Saxophone".

Give his sight a glance when you've got a few minutes

CHEERS

Nigel

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:47 PM

By the way, a note to Mr. B.F., above: I should hope that the coppersmiths of Pennsylvania were of sufficient quality that you would not have had to send all the way to New England for the foil. Perhaps you had partaken of your next-door neighbor's bounty to such an extent, that you forgot for the moment that you had in fact left Boston as a young man, and settled in Philadelphia?

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 10:38 PM

My next-door neighbor, a man about 25, recently fell six stories off a building under construction. He was wearing a safety harness which saved his life, but the fear was so intense that he had to take several days off to try to get over it. I don't suppose he ever will, really.

If Ivor's account of laborers jumping off the scaffolding is correct, then he is surrounded by fools.

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 02:47 PM

Oh, wish I'd seen the programme!

Will look out for it on Sky telly ('cable' to our Cousins Across the Pond)

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 06:48 PM

I should have said he fell off a six story building no doubt the safety harness caught him before he fell that far.

Interesting question - after a guy falls off the building and is dangling in space, how exactly do the others rescue him?

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 09:07 PM

We reel them in! We reel them in!
We tell them we're the Bold Reelers In!

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 08:14 PM

We are the "H & S"(health & safety) tribunal,
And of our staff we take good care.
When someone, something daft is doin'
-All of us will not be there.
But if a man falls off a scaffold,
And his har-ness provides safety.
We reel him in, we reel him in
Because we are the H.S.T.
We reel him in, we reel him in
We reel him, we reel him in in because we are the H.S.T.


Sorry! I had to extend 'stroupe's quote

Nigel

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 08:01 PM

Regarding the man peeing on the third rail – yes, I agree the stream would probably consist of disconnected droplets, but this doesn't necessarily means it wouldn't conduct electricity. It depends on the voltage. We all know an electrical charge of sufficient voltage can jump an air gap. Lightning, for instance, can jump hundreds or thousands of feet from a cloud to the ground, and it doesn't require that the raindrops arrange themselves into a continuous stream.

So the question becomes, how far apart are the droplets? And if you add all the distances together, is it more or less than the distance the charge can jump?

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Joybell
Date: 12 Jan 05 - 08:36 PM

I'm looking forward to future episodes of this series. Do they test the one about the frogman found in the middle of a burnt area after water-dumping planes were called in to fight a bushfire? He was sucked up from a dam so the story goes. Might be a bit expensive to reconstruct. It was reported for true here in Australia but I've heard that it originated in France. Cheers, Joy

Subject: RE: Sick Note/Bricklayer/ Proved!!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Jan 05 - 06:42 PM

Leeneia,

They weren't fools, they jumped when they saw miserable Ivor coming.