Kennedy Airport Story

Subject: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Mickey191
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 10:12 AM

How can we ever understand hatred like this? A naturalized American citizen living in the country for 40 yrs., employed at the airport, nice little home, was evidently the prime mover in the plan to destroy the fuel lines servicing the airport. Three arrested & one other being sought. They are calling these men "freelancers". Radical Islam is the impetus for the plan it seems. Your thoughts?

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: mack/misophist
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 11:19 AM

Many of these stories have been crap. Let's wait and see.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Bert
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 03:30 PM

Right Mickey, Hatred breeds hatred.

What we need is a few shows on TV showing ordinary Moslem families and the love and tolerance that they have for each other and their neighbors.

Then perhaps love can breed love.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: tarheel
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 03:40 PM

wow bert,what planet are you from?get a life guy!
these people are brainwashed with hatred for america while they are still in diapers!you can rest assured that they have never experienced loving their own family let alone americans or even europeans,for that matter!
they'd chop your head off in a flash bother!
get real!

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 03:50 PM

The people who blew themselves up in London came from normal Muslim families, were born and brought up here and went through school here.
One was a teaching assistant in a school.
They were not from a deprived underclass. Their background was that of a million others.
Yet they believed that Allah the merciful would welcome them to paradise drenched in the blood of his children.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 03:56 PM

Some people are nutters. Some people aren't.

We don't condemn all Christians in America because some barmpot spends $27,000,000 on a christian theme park which is simply b**l*ck*.

We don't condemn all Americans because of its nutty religious leaders, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson et al......

Let alone Shrub.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Bert
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 03:56 PM

Guess you've never been there Tarheel!!!

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 04:38 PM

Guess old tarheel is a 'hater' in spite of his avowed Christianity and it's teachings. Sounds like he hates Muslims to me.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 04:47 PM

You cannot expect a good christian to follow christian teaching.

Too many holes in that one.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: skipy
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 04:50 PM

Sleepers, they are out there! they will strike when ready & when we are not.
Skipy

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 04:56 PM

Tarheel shows himself to be a bigotted, racist person. I have lost all respect for him. I don't want to hear his music, and from here out I won't read his posts.

In the event you aren't smart enough to figure out why, tarheel, let me tell you. Where do you come off describing all Moslems as "these people". Are you aware that the way we penetrate the terrorist groups is by using Arab American MOSLEM agents? Are you aware that the American Moslem community rejects these folks? How do you feel about the Iraqui Moslem citizens that are fighting the terrorists?

I wonder if you feel the same way about Christians who kill abortion clinic workers, and justify it in the name of God? Or are they somehow different? Should we paint all Christians based on those actions.

You are a bigotted, ignorant man and I wish you would leave The Mudcat.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 05:15 PM

And let me add one more "for example" to Mick's: are you aware that there are many Arabic and Pushtu-speaking Americans, citizens or otherwise, who are joining the US Army solely to go to Iraq or Afganistan as translators and cultural interpreters? And that there is a program at Ft. Jackson (my brother is one of the instructors) to make sure that their English is adequate for the task? And that these patriots are high-value targets for Quaida?

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: GUEST,Songster Bob
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 09:50 PM

What I wonder is why the story broke now, with one of the "plotters" still at large, and the case going back over a year. So why now?

Seems to me that Scooter Libby will be sentenced Tuesday, so ....

Bob

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Mickey191
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 11:11 PM

Good Point--Think it's called Diversion.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 11:16 PM

Gee, it took 13 posts to get to CONSPIRACY theory. What took so long?

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Bert
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 11:31 PM

...in spite of his avowed Christianity...

Don't see how he can be a Christian. I thought there was "Love thy neighbor" somewhere in Christianity.

That poor guy doesn't seem to have any love. Perhaps if he were to live with Moslems he might learn some.

Poor, poor guy. I hope he eventually finds love, kindness and tolerance somewhere.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 12:08 AM

Well, I cannot believe ANYTHING that comes from the mouth of this administration or anyone connected with it. Until absolutely confirmed I must consider this JFK Airport thing a set-up, a hoax or simply a con or spin designed to enhance the fading notion that the republican party needs to remain in power to best protect the citizenry of the US. Nonsense, simply nonsense.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 08:45 AM

Sort of a pity, but I'll bet money that tarheel doesn't come back to see what Mick said. Or anyone else either. He just pops in, stirs, and leaves. I think he must be a very angry, lonely man.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 09:37 AM

This is kinda weird.

I admit that I almost never read tarheel's posts. I don't read very many post here, period -- mostly people with whom I've been familiar with here for the past five years. Time is short and there's just too much shit here.

But to extrapolate all that has been said ABOUT tarheel on the basis of his one post here is, to my eye, WAY overblown. I didn't read into his post any more than condemnation of the islamic terrorists. And it's not extreme or outlandish to assert that those terrorists are taught their hatred from a very young age.

And the same who are outraged at tarheel seem not to be bothered one bit the almost daily hatred spewed here toward Christianity. In fact, some here are the same who do so. And now make accustions about tarheel's bigotry? I suppose I haven't read enough of tarheel's posts. But I sure have read an eyeful of anti-Christian rhetoric here.

I guess you're just trying to organize the who's who and the who's not welcome here. I suppose that needs to be done from time to time. Can't have too many dissenting voices, donchaknow.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: tarheel
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 10:45 AM

SORRY,BIG MICK! i aint going no where...been here a long time and read mudcat every day and post my opinions whenever i like!
you are the typlical LIBERA that gets pissed off if some else disagrees with you!
well let me tell you LIBERAL JERK,i've never had to ask you for permission to be here nor to post anything here,and i sure as hell dont intend to start now!
so put that in your potheaded pipe and smoke it!
funny thing,i never see your liberal jerks complain about anyone else's post but mine and you cant wait toi call me RACIST,just because i disagree with you...
well,if that's what a RACIST is,than i guess im a RACIST...because i would never,ever agree with your LIBERAL SLIMEBALL opinions!

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 10:46 AM

ok.

now I see.

:^)

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: tarheel
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 10:49 AM

BY THE WAY,MICKEY!!!
I'M TICKLED AS HELL TO KNOW THAT I BUG THE SHIT OUT OF YOU!!!
hahahahahahaah
ehhehehehehehehehe
lol...lol...lol

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: tarheel
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 10:52 AM

AND...as for you JOHN HARDLY...stick it where the sun doin't shine too!

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 11:11 AM

I'm very tall. And when the sun is low on the horizon, I cast such a long (though narros -- I'm really skinny) shadow on the earth that the square footage of area where the sun doesn't shine is IMMENSE. So immense, in fact, that I don't actually ever have to "stick" it there. I can usually get things where the sun don't shine with a rather casual toss. Often I don't even have to look before I toss. But that shadow moves all the time. Nearly every time I move, so does that shadow. I think, though I'd have to complete the research necessary to state with scientific certainty, that there is a connection between when I move, and when the shadow that I cast moves. I'm pretty sure that the shadow knows, though. Wouldn't that make the ginchiest tag line for a radio program?! "The shadow knows...". Man, I can almost hear it. Deep, dramatic voice with ominous overtones..."the shadow knows...". Killer idea, man. Glad you thought of it.

Glad we had this discussion.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 11:28 AM

From what I understand, the 'terrorists' did not have any money or explosives and the informant was a drug dealer.

Doesn't sound as if it was anything more than a few disgruntled men criticizing Bush and saying how easy it would be to ...

Lets wait and see. My guess is its more fear tactics and a diversion from reality.

...and yes, tarheel, you are a coward who is full of fear and hatred.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 11:38 AM

For tarheel

May the God in which you believe open your eyes, and heal the hate in your heart.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 11:44 AM

"Investigators acknowledged, however, that the scheme was so nascent that there was no developed plan for how the plotters would get explosives, let alone gain access to the tanks and pipelines they hoped to target."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.plot03jun03,0,6945889.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Greg B
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 11:50 AM

It sort of makes you wonder--- how many such 'plots' are sort of
'with every jar that hit the bar' sort of things of which no notice
would have been taken in earlier times. Pure 'hot air.'

But now, it's like saying 'bomb' in the check-in line at the airport.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 11:58 AM

Oh, it's those little things like 2 jet airliners flying into skyscrapers killing 3,000 that account for the little changes. Silly paranoid security people. Like they had to decide to do their jobs now?!

No doubt, if 9/11 had been thwarted, the news would have opined, "...of course, it has been speculated that the airliners would have only inflicted minor damage -- requiring a few weeks down time to make small repairs to a couple, three of the upper floors of the WTC. The FBI need not get overly self-congratulatory. They are, after all, dickheads and a tool of a fascist, one-party, DePublican government, too arrogant to be allowed to exist any longer".

okay, maybe I exaggerated a wee bit.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Mickey191
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 12:52 PM

I was wondering about the woman from FBI (red dress) whom I cannot ID who went on & on about the great damage which would have resulted if the plan had suceeded. She went on & on & on.   

I'm wondering about the "freelancers" who might be thinking-"Gee we simply have to try this again! Had no idea it would be THAT bad."

When other authorities spoke, they downplayed the resultant damage totally.

The truth is hiding somewhere.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BY the way--I awoke this morning to find I had a PM from a certain TARHEEL. It was a repeat of the vile post at 10:45AM.

For further edification:
I'm Mickey191-a female senior. Senior enough to wonder why the "F" word is tossed around as if it's
common usage in polite society. IT AIN"T !!!

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Greg B
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 03:01 PM

Fuel dumps tend to be in rather isolated areas, and airports
tend to have great empty tracts of land (something to do with
runways being long and narrow, and jet noise being hard to
concentrate beneath).

Furthermore, fuel pipelines tend to have automated systems
which recognize a breach and close valves automatically and
strategically. Heck, when you drive out of the filling station
with the hose still in your gas-tank, it breaks away nicely and
a check-valve stops the flow.

I believe various parties sensationalized the results for
interests of their own; the media because it's what they do,
law enforcement to reinforce their own importance in the scheme
of things and perhaps also to say "we missed 9/11, but see what
we prevented this time!"

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: GUEST,mgarvey
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 03:25 PM

Good luck to everyone in what is to come. The more this is laughed about the easier it will be for domestic or international enemies to accomplish, and already it is easy enough to pull off a series of smaller events. mg

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 03:28 PM

John, my comment isn't anti Christian. I am a Christian. My comment has to do with this bigot, and it definitely is rooted in his record. Perhaps you should do the research before condemning my comments. Time and again this so called "Christian" makes these types of comments. I have spent a lifetime battling small minded bigots, and I will certainly condemn them here as well.

And by the way, are you suggesting that 9/11 justifies spewing hatred of all Moslems? Those that are fighting the fundamentalist wacko Muslims will be interested in knowing this.

And one last post to Tarheel. You can call me a liberal jerk here all you want. But I have been wounded twice in service to this country, how about you? You don't bug me as much as you disgust me. You claim to love the country, but you espouse hatred of your fellow man, and espouse ideas that fly in the face of what it means to be American. It is my opinion that you are the furthest thing from a patriot. What you are is a lily white bigot. Your words have shown it time and again.

Mick

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 03:39 PM

"And by the way, are you suggesting that 9/11 justifies spewing hatred of all Moslems?"

Re-read my post (or any other of my posts) and tell me how you could even conclude a reason to ask me this.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 03:46 PM

You are right. Please accept my apologies, John. I went back and reread the post. I misunderstood.

You note that you haven't read this person's posts. I have bit my tongue for the last time on him.

Mick

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 03:48 PM

you da man, mick. :^)

luv,

me'n'the dog

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 04:32 PM

Who in their right mind would believe this crock of stupid shit?? As usual, there was no plot, no planning, no training--just the word of a twice-convicted drug-dealer.

Just more typical Bush bullshit. Some of you, it seems, will believe this asshole no matter how many times he lies to your face. I put this story (and a story is exactly what it is) where I put all the other so-called terrorist plots Bush claims to have foiled--on ignore.

The very presence of this story is a dead giveaway that the surge is looking like crap and in need of a diversion.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 06:06 PM

And, I recieved 2 PMs from ole tarheel. I do not want anymore. I do not enjoy communicating (or rather, trying to) with hypocritical, racist bigots. John, if you like, you can click on his name and see the other garbage he has spewed here.

It is not dissent we disagree with, it is hatred and bigotry.

tarheel/Chuck, if as you say, you read everything and are reading this, do not, I repeat, DO NOT send me any more communications.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 07:09 PM

...I'm waiting for him to call someone a 'meathead'. Mudcat's very own Archie Bunker - without the humor.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 07:23 PM

You guys are so sensitive. Try being a conservative and post on the mudcat. I'd give you a week and you'd be begging for mere tarheel treatment. *BG*

:^)

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 07:30 PM

...actually, I'm picking the wrong thread to make that point. The people complaining about tarheel here are among those who have treated me well here.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 01:39 AM

I got the same PM, Sorcha. I put him on notice, and am putting him on notice here in public. He will not be allowed to stalk people. He is welcome to express his opinions in the threads, and stand the test of public scrutiny. If you have warned him, or anyone to stop, and they do not, let us know. We will resolve that.

Mick

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 02:27 AM

The arrest of these so-called 'terrorists' is obviously a way to divert our attention away from the fact that the 'surge' is failing. Bush is just trying to justify his war on terrorism and re-claim any credibility he may have had.

"Military officials also acknowledged Monday that U.S.-led forces have control of fewer than one-third of Baghdad's neighbourhoods despite thousands of extra troops nearly four months into a security crackdown. That assessment came as the U.S. death toll approached 3,500, with at least 15 American troops reported killed in the first three days of June.

Lt.-Col. Scott Bleichwehl, a military spokesman for Baghdad operations, confirmed that a status report completed in May found that American and Iraqi forces were able to "protect the population" and "maintain physical influence over" only 146 of the 457 Baghdad neighbourhoods, while troops have either not begun operations aimed at rooting out insurgents or still face "resistance" in the others."

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=c823335b-d4fe-4943-b324-f954ebf1ec0f&k=44986

I agree with many others on this thread - its a way of saying, "If we weren't on the ball, you would all be blown away. You need us to protect you. We may have missed the mark on 9-11 but we're really up to speed these days."

Yeah, right. We need your war mongering like a hole in the head.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 02:31 AM

Thank you Mick. I have rec'd communication from another clone as well.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 03:03 AM

If you look at the posting history, I think we may assume that Dickey and tarheel might be one in the same. It seems they never post to the same thread and it also appears that they are both ruled by fear and motivated by hate. They are also competing for the lowest IQ.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 05:38 AM

Our terrorists had no problem obtaining funding or explosive.
The money was gained locally from crime, mostly credit card fraud.
The explosives were made from locally available materials.
Is the only evidence the testimony of a dealer? I thought that there were recordings and evidence of extensive surveilance.
If you believe that there is no real terrorist threat anyore, you are ignoring the evidence of the attacks in Britain and Spain, and the higher profile of US as a target.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 01:53 PM

It looks as if these men were conspiring to commit an act of terrorism but that they did not have the support of any terrorist organization. In any event, the plot seems to have been ill-conceived. Here's a video discussing the possible outcome of their plan.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/06/02/meserve.jfk.happen.cnn

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 02:26 PM

I think we may assume that Dickey and tarheel might be one in the same. It seems they never post to the same thread (Dianavan)

They look to me like very different people with similar political leanings. They have posted to the same thread and BTW it was a thread to which Dianavan has posted as well.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 02:45 PM

I do not discount the fact of terrorist existence, etc. but I refuse to tremble in my boots and lose sleep over this crap anymore. I firmly believe that our own goverment is manipulating us, or trying to with scare stories to get away with even more illegal acts, invasion of privacy, etc.

Subject: RE: Kennedy Airport Story
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 08:28 PM

>>Our terrorists had no problem obtaining funding or explosive.
The money was gained locally from crime, mostly credit card fraud.
The explosives were made from locally available materials.
Is the only evidence the testimony of a dealer?<<

Yes. Otherwise, why would they need his testimony. He's about as questionable a witness as one could have. It's ridiculous and unbelievably hypocritical of the gov't to rely on such testimony when they waste $30 billion a year on their little war on drugs--which is apparently trumped by the one on terror--both of which have succeeded in only making each problem worse if not outright creating it.

>>I thought that there were recordings and evidence of extensive surveilance.<<

Sure. That's why they're relying on a convicted drug dealer as their informant--because they have so much evidence.

>>If you believe that there is no real terrorist threat anyore, you are ignoring the evidence of the attacks in Britain and Spain, and the higher profile of US as a target.<<

There never was a terrorist threat. There never has been and there never will be. All we have are a handful of incidents--overall inconsequential to our continued survival and comfort level. No threat to us at all. There is virtually no chance of a terrorist attack going down the US. Even the attacks on the WTC were actually intended to disrupt what one isolated group saw as the international Jewish financial empire. But there simply can't be extended guerilla warfare over here--terrorist groups don't have time, money or people for that. Look what fighting overseas is doing to us, for god's sake! It is simply NOT going to happen and it isn't going to happen in Europe either. An incident here and there but certainly nothing like what's going on in the Middle East. They are able to carry on with their war in the Middle East because it's in their backyard. Anyone who thinks that a million terrorists are going to fllod America and Europe and drown us in chaos and bloodshed is an amazing coward and an even more amazing idiot.