Folk Against Fascism

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 03:38 AM

Gotcha. Better still (for anyone else), google "Middle Bar Singers" - the singular form doesn't seem to be used nearly as much, which I guess is appropriate!

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Gervase
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 03:43 AM

I've just read Tom Attah's blog, Curry and a bit of Motown from his link on the FAF Facebook forum. A great piece of writing and a terrific summary of what any of us involved in music should be doing.
Pass it around.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 05:12 AM

Thanks Gervase, a brilliant, well written piece. Vital reading.

FAF Andy

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Gervase
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 05:30 AM

And then, by way of complete contrast, there's this, part of a very bitter blog by someone who was once very close to Nick Griffin. It's not for the squeamish - when fascists fall out the gloves come off and the results are messy - but it does give a fascinating insight into the inner workings of the BNP. It's a lengthy read, but it should leave no-one in any doubt about the party and the filth that swills around in its darker corners.
Some of the well-sourced and corroborated revelations on the blog about Griffin and the BNP really should be more widely circulated, even if he has 'betrayed' National Socialism.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 05:46 AM

thanks Gervase.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 06:07 AM

The BNP will be taking their seats in the EU parliament in just two weeks time. For anyone who hasn't signed already, Hope Not Hate have organised an on-line petition to tell the BNP that they are not there in the name of the British people.

The petition is at http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/morenamesneeded

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: theleveller
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 06:11 AM

The Hope Not Hate campaign is trying to get 100,000 signatures on a petition to hand in when Griffin and Brons take their seats in the EU Parlaiment in two weeks' time. They already have over 80,000, so if you want to help this campaign, sign up at

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 06:30 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U25LH7i93XU
here is another dangerous person.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 06:33 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U25LH7i93XU

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 09:03 AM

I've got mixed feelings about the HNH petition - I mean, I voted Green, so the Labour, Lib Dem, Tory and UKIP MEPs aren't there "in my name" either. The BNP MEPs are there in the name of their voters - that's how it works. But I think it's worth signing, just to show how much opposition there is.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 10:03 AM

i rekon so many people voted for the BNP as a protest and didn't even think to research what they were actully voting for so i signed not only for myself but for those who beleived the hype and got sucked in and now regret it.
i think there are more people like that than we think, at least i hope so.

that blogs was very interesting. i finished the first one but i don't think i could have handled anymore without bringing up my breakfast!!!

keep fighting

take care all

jade x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 11:22 AM

"The Hope Not Hate campaign is trying to get 100,000 signatures on a petition to hand in when Griffin and Brons take their seats in the EU Parlaiment in two weeks' time. They already have over 80,000, so if you want to help this campaign, sign up"

and the resultant effect is going to be what exactly?

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 11:25 AM

i am not sure, but it is something that needs to be done (IMO) to remind the politicians that we still care and are aware of what sort of power we COULD have over them instead of the other way round. they should be there to represent our interests and not their own.

jade x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 11:44 AM

I personally encourage MBSGeorge to put her money where her mouth is, to walk the walk insted of talking the talk, and attempt to sure, I see nothing libellous uin anything anyone has said, so MBSGeorge feel free, I'll see you in court

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 11:55 AM

erk...!!part of my previous post got eaten....that should have read

I personally encourage MBSGeorge to put her money where her mouth is, to walk the walk instead of talking the talk, and attempt to sue anyone on this thread or on the FaF facebook site. I see nothing libellous in anything anyone has said, so MBSGeorge feel free

I'll gladly see you in court.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Gervase
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 11:55 AM

I PM'd her the questions yesterday. No reply.
But, as I've said, I ain't holding my breath...
There's also the chance that the BNP won't let her respond. Before the election the party high command issued a warning to members not to set up official party blogs in the run-up to this year's European elections because "they can't write proper English" and "get carried away with conspiracy theories".
The handbook said that some BNP members are "oddballs", "Walter Mitty characters", "compulsive liars" and "born troublemakers", and advised activists: "If you hear something odd or unpleasant about someone either forget about it or ask them about it to their face."
It added: "while we cannot stop individuals using the internet ... the BNP does not allow members or units to run websites or blogs which use the BNP logo or party name in their title, or which give the impression of being official BNP operations".
So poor George may find herself gagged by the proponents of free speech. It would be nice to know, one way or the other.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 12:30 PM

"So poor George may find herself gagged by the proponents of free speech."

either that or we've caught the poor dear with her knickers down, and all she can respond with is "Change it now please that is a
libel(l)ous statement!"
As I stated earlier, see you in court MBSGeorge.

Charlie

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 12:39 PM

Apropos, I just did have a word with the landlord to tell him he might have some strange visitors with knuckles dragging on the ground.

His reaction?

"Sounds like we might have a bit of fun. I'll make sure we're all tooled up ready".

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 01:04 PM

I suggest that everyone gives the you tube clip one star.
I see hoff bridge ,has put a favourable comment to it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U25LH7i93XU
one star please

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 02:25 PM

i did wonder what was so bad, now i know that i am not mad!!

there might be more reasons than we know as to why she has joined them. i am against everything they stand for and want to see them brought down i have no wish to persecute someone who may have been pressured into something.

there is always another way but in the middle of a crisis she may not have been able to see it.

it would be so easy to scream and shout and a part of me just wants to do just that and shun her.

my god, i feel like a grown up and i am not sure i like it!!!!

take care all

jade x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Gervase
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 02:47 PM

Jade, it's one thing to join - it's quite another to seek election wrapped in their odious flag. Your concern does you credit, but I fear it may be wasted.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 04:30 PM

Jade your emotions regarding this are just that, YOUR emotions.

Charlie ;-)

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 04:45 PM

Just by way of reminder, the pathetic and peurile individual calling himself (in various places) "HoffBridge" and posting foolish recastings of my words (with meanings that are antonyms of mine) is not me.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 05:12 PM

rifleman charlie, what was that about? i am just saying that things are not always as they seem.

i, like you was disgusted that someone would ever join the BNP much less stand for election. there is no excuse not to know what they stand for.

however i am willing and wanting to believe that she has been somewhat brainwashed.

i am thinking that although i am trying to understand her motives, that she has had long enough to think about it and to gain a full picture of what they are like and what they intend to try to do.

i do not condone her actions or the towing of the party line, we all know what that is.

i am feeling somewhat conficted as i do not wish to be a reactionary bully, but would rather try to reason, i accept that in some cases(and i fear this is one)where a compromise cannot be reached.
but wasn't it worth a try?

if we could persaude the uncertain members of the party, then we would be able to turn their knowledge to our advantange, see the link that gervase made.

take care all

jade x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Cobble
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 07:49 PM

What a waste of a thread, if people had got off their fat back sides it could have been different, so don't pick on people that did vote they at least went to the polling station and did what people fought for, for many years, THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR WHO THEY WANTED.

Cobble.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 08:50 PM

cobble,   calm down man!!!
i have been told there are more folks that read these threads than post on them so maybe it has got some people motivted or changed who they vote for.
so not really a waste of time.

BTW i didn't need to get off my fat arse i have a postal vote and yes i used it.

take care all

jade x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:00 AM

Dear Cobblers

Please engage brain before putting mouth in gear.

There are, surely, two main purposes to FaF.

The first is to save folk music (stricto sensu and neofolk) from becoming elided with the racist texts of the neonazi holocaust denier and all-round scumbag Griffin and his neanderthal friends (who are daily cloning the identities of others on various forums and trying to smear their opponents as being racists and sexists too). No doubt, since you are here, you have an active interest in folk music and folk dance and folk lore, and you will recall that in the wake of the German Nazi Reich all German and Anglo-Saxon matters volklorisch became tainted with the poinonous doctrines of racial purity and supremacy and have not even yet recovered. Folk music is ours and you shall not have it.

Secondly FaF is a publicity machine to ensure that those who by inertia let the apes take a few seats see the horror that they have allowed near to our doors, and re-join civilisation to help it bar its gates against the true untermensch.

I do hope you can manage the big words.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 08:59 AM

richard i think whoever this person is, they really pay attention to you. every time you post i get a message on FB distorting what you say.

I KNOW THIS IS NOT YOU!!!!!
i think they either find you really threatening or fancy the pants of you, they do say that imitation is the highest form of flatterry, but in this case i am sure you would rather they didn't

i knew you had posted here before i even looked here.

please don't let them stop you from saying wehat is on your' mind, as i look forward to reading your thoughts.

take care

jade x x

jade x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:06 AM

Do please send me a copy of their latest stupidity, openly or by PM!

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:15 AM

1st message.

Dear Jeddy


There are, surely, two main purposes to FaF.
The first is to save folk music (stricto sensu and neofolk) from becoming elided with the tree hugging texts of the Enoch Powell was right deniers and all-round scumbag rifleman and his neanderthal views. No doubt, since you are here, you have an active interest in folk music and folk dance and folk lore. Cara, are you a member of the Russ Meyer fan club ? Folk music is ours and we shall keep it BRITISH.

Secondly FaF is a publicity machine to ensure that those who have never saw or heard of a Russ Meyer film get off their backside and watch one.

Love
Richard Bridge


2nd message

I see someone calling himself "Robin Loxley" is using my photogrph ! I have reported this to facebook. Just by way of reminder, this pathetic and peurile individual calling himself (in various places) "Robin Loxley" and posting foolish recastings of my words (with meanings that are antonyms of mine) is not me

Thank you

Richard Hoff Bridge


3rd message

Cor Blimey, did you read wat my mate Richard Hoff Bridge said on Mudcat ? yeah hez a rough one alright, yeah mates in high places.

Jade, I noz Richard for years,hez me old cock sparrow, knew hiz old man too, Dick. With Richard itz nought for nought, he will be looking the apple pickers off you luv. Hez got a fork and knive, saw him with her the other day eating a Ruby Murray.

Right luv, good talkin to ya and I en't gettin into Richards arguements. He called me mate "right wing" on mudcat, and come on Jade that just en't on

Seeya darling

the Guv.




see what i mean he/she is paying very close attention to you. i have no idea who you are or wherte you are but you seem to have made a friend!!!

i am worried though that for people who don't come on here that they will start to beleive these stupid thigs, not that they are that good, i see the level of intelligence we are dealing with and i have to say i do not feel overly threatened.

LOL

take care , i hope they made you laugh as much as i did.

jade x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:45 AM

Interesting that they have dug back far enough into my Mudcat posts to discover that my father was nicknamed "Dick" Bridge. But they have overlooked that like my father, my "fork and knife" is dead, so if I had recently been eating a Ruby with her their words would be of even less concern! Anyone who knew her may be able to imagine the words she wuld have had for them...


What very silly people.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:54 AM

Content YOU put up on Facebook is considered intellectual property and it's against ToS to steal somebody's stuff, including photos.

Apparently, this fuckwit has multiple identities. If I were you, I'd report it to Facebook. The worst they can do is ignore you.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:14 AM

Well, it appears the BNP and/or it's acolytes have scored some points, they have everyone talking about who is who or who is not who, whichever the case maybe, instead of discussing and planning strategy against the BNP.

"as long as I gaze on Waterloo Sunset, I am in paradise"

Charlie

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:25 AM

there are two reasons i have posted the messages i get

1) i like them so much i want to share my laughter and contemp with you all.

2) if it will help identify the culprit, who obviously knows more about you lot than i do.

i may know a few of you in the real world but i have only figured out a couple, the rest of you, (without wishing to sound rude) i have no idea! you could be my next dorr nieghbour for all i know.

whoever you are and where evr you live , i hope you all have a great day/evening

take care all

jade x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Royston
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 01:30 PM

Jade,

You should stop, please, referring to the Bookface and craptube nonsense by the BNP because whether you mean to or not, it is the discussion of it here which is rewarding the perpetrators. Just ignore them, they are not worth it.

If anyone is concerned about impersonation then that person must report it quietly to Bookface / Craptube themselves and not engage in any discussion about impersonation with anyone that they do not know in the real, flesh and blood world.

This childish nonsense has taken too much of good people's time and effort and we need to force a stop to it now, methinks, by cutting off its oxygen-supply.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:03 PM

Jade, carry on posting as you do, indeed by constantly referring to the BNP and its acolytles, you may get a reaction. You know the old saying, "give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves"

Keep up the good work, Jade! :-)

Charlie ;-)

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Barden of England
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:58 PM

I see that FaF has got the BNP (and the imposter 'Hoff') so worried that they need to send this stuff out in PM's. What tawdry little nazis they really are. All the more power to FaF.
John Barden

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 06:19 PM

Ah, Rifleman.

Is "Rifleman Royston" on FaF you?

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 10:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV6xiU4XyoM

this is one song i will not let them corrupt!!!

take care all

jade x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 10:47 PM

sorry should have said it is the june tabour song

oops   j x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Royston
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 03:43 AM

John B

What tawdry little nazis they really are

Quoted for the truth!!!

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Barden of England
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 03:59 AM

Royston - they're trying to get to me now. Does it bother me? NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST. And I'll repeat - MORE POWER TO FOLK AGAINST FASCISM!! (I'll shout it out loud and clear).
John Barden

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:17 AM

"Ah, Rifleman.

Is "Rifleman Royston" on FaF you?"

You'd like to thinks so, Bridge, but I hate to disappoint you (no I don't), but I can't even be bothered signing in using my own name, which is what I used on facebook, let alone wasting my time, using an alias. Besides which, I've come to the conclusion that I honestly don't care if someone uses my mudcat name, that's all whoever it is knows about me, and it's the least important part of my life.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:54 AM

They got me and TheSilentOne too. Facebook has been contacted with request to take them down.

What an utter twiddledick this guy is. Well assuming it is a guy.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Gervase
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 03:27 PM

Meanwhile, no news from MBS George, the midwife of FAF.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 04:01 PM

Ah, VT, I'm glad you said that. It's time to bring back one of the all-time great Mudcat phrases, that fits the BNP to a tee!

Broke-dick mamalucca!

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 04:51 PM

From: Cobble
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 07:49 PM

What a waste of a thread, if people had got off their fat back sides it could have been different, so don't pick on people that did vote they at least went to the polling station and did what people fought for, for many years, THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR WHO THEY WANTED.


Cobblers
And which conflict did you fight in to make all this possible?
I didn't quite catch that bit.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:22 PM

what does everyone make of the comments of    bernie ecelston(?) "hilter was a man who got things done"

i think you cannot disagree with that. he managed to get people to do the most horrendous things.

it shows that if the BNP ever find someone with that much influenceand force of personality to represent them, we could be in for a serious battle.

so lets band together now to make sure that doen't happen.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Cats
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:05 AM

We are all sitting at our computers [me included] joining in this discussion and looking at the list of contributors so far it would make a bloody good line up for a festival. Anyone got a field big enough? That would be something positive, a proper FAF festival with a huge range of acts, crafts and lemonade from our Sal before she gives up.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:34 AM

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