Folklore: St Georges day

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,MikeofNorthumbria(Off Base)
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 07:48 AM

Hi Folks,

Can we please drop the Trolling and Flaming, and get back to the original question? What are we doing for St George's Day/ Shakespeare's Birthday?

Well, quite a few of us will be dancing the Morris on the banks of the river Tyne - in front of the Baltic Gallery on the Gateshead side, 12-1.00 pm, and outside the Pitcher and Piano on the Newcastle side, 1-2.00pm.

And yes, many people think it looks silly - but doing silly things on festive occasions is a traditional part of the culture of England. (And incidentally, of many other nations - think of Carnival, Mardi Gras, etc). Silly or not, many people do enjoy watching Morris dancers - if you don't, you are perfectly entitled to look the other way. It's still a free country - just about.

Wassail!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 08:14 AM

My "Silly" comment was aimed at a very dishonest bigot,Mike.
It looks as though you define silliness in the same way that I do.
I am the Walrus,Doctor Who,Blackadder,Pantomime & Morris are all silly.
They are also things I am very fond of.
If I can I will be at the Baltic on my Birthday.
I'll look out for you there.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Snuffy
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 09:10 AM

It's for the whole of England, you know. It's not just St Geordie's Day. :-)

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 10:25 AM

Paradoxically the Geordies Saint's day is March the 20th (St Cuthbert's day) Geordies tend to miss out on this because they're running around trying to pretend to be vaguely Irish as an excuse to get pissed.
(St Patrick's day being the day before.)
It may take a long time to forge an Autonomous nation-state out of this material.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Fidjit
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 11:45 AM

Came over this via the EFDSS site

vote for a holiday

And this one too england

Read all about it.

Chas

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Fidjit
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 11:52 AM

Wot we'll get now is that Geordie git coming wiv 'is " Oooo gis a Toss Ooos da it is man. Lets av a bloody party"

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 12:00 PM

That essay on England on the EFDSS is spot on.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 12:52 PM

A day for EnglandTM? StGeorge'sday.com?
Hence the expression "Selling England by the Pound."
Fidjit you are the Dick Van Dyke of the keyboard.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 01:00 PM

The antipathy of English cultural "elites" for English culture is as much liberal as Socialist & in some respects more so.
The Country that Conservatives profess to love has more in common with Never Never Land than England.
Those criticism's aside the article makes for interesting reading.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: MMario
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 01:00 PM

March the 20th (St Cuthbert's day) Geordies tend to miss out on this because they're running around trying to pretend to be vaguely Irish as an excuse to get pissed. (St Patrick's day being the day before.)



What happened to march 19th?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 01:20 PM

Good question MMario, in the North East of England "Serious Drinking"
tends to take place on Friday & Saturday nights.
For this reason celebrations of more minor events (which St Patrick's day is In NE England) tend to take place on the Friday or Saturday closest to the actual event.
However for reasons I am at a loss to explain such St Patrick's day celebrations as there were locally took place on the Sunday(the 19th) this year.
There are precedents for this,these days St Patrick's Day in Dublin lasts the best part of a week.
So the answer to your question is the calendar is becoming very fluid.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Shields Folk
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 04:12 PM

National Geordie Day, 9th of June.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 04 Apr 06 - 04:21 PM

Oddly enough that's my brother's birthday.
The Northumbrian Association (www.northumbrianassociation.co.uk)
favours March the 20th
I suggest March the 20th Geordie National Day
          June the 9th   National Geordie Day

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 12:12 AM

Racist flag wavers cause wars!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 03:23 AM

"Racist flag wavers cause wars"?
Well there are certainly enough precedents for that one guest.
However many wars are caused by people over reacting to their own misconceptions and/or trying to impose their own distorted views of others on others.
Do you think you could try & remember that before adopting their practices again?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,another guest
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 03:26 AM

None rascist flag wavers don't.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Bird Flu
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 05:05 AM

purple foxx you have a problem you seem to be a small minded englander who doesn't realise that england is no more! ireland has a real identity and a true culture unlike england which has a mishmash of pseudo cultures. somebody mentions that george did a favour for "norman" knights what a lot of tosh, the only reason that he is the p saint is cos some tosser liked the design of george and the dragoon so they nicked it and used it on the order of the garter. Then some latewr poofy king adopted it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: melodeonboy
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 05:55 AM

Oh, dear; we're back to "pure" cultures, are we?

The main reason that St. Patrick's Day is celebrated far more than St. George's is down to the Americans, who realised a long time ago that it's a great money-spinning activity. And as we all know, when America claps, the rest of the world ("pure" races such as the Irish included) jump.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Bird Flu
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 07:04 AM

Talking bollox but that's expected from a m player. It has been scientifically proven that the purest genes in the british isles can be found in Kerry. Also America has sodall to do with Irish celebrating St Pat - I remember as a kid (1950s) shamrock being sent to my family by irish relatives are you telling me that they did this because some americans told them! americans don't even know what shamrock is - they always show pictures of four leaf clovers and little men in silly hats as a representation of ireland. english are jealous of our irish culture, heritage and purity of race.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 07:21 AM

"It has been scientifically proven that the purest genes in the british isles can be found in Kerry". Is that because they've only recently gotten bicycles?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: The Admiral
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 07:59 AM

I had already posted this on another thread so I appologise to those who have read it before as I didn't want to waste time rehashing it for a illiterates such as above....

So, what is wrong with being English and proud of it? As already pointed out on this thread it is alright to be Scottish, Welsh and Irish, (thanks LesB) all of whom celebrate their National Day (and Saints) whereas the English have to contend with such attitudes as a Liverpudlion Mayor of London (who on the whole does a good job) but who allows thousand of pounds of London ratepayers money to be spent on St Patricks Day celebrations but refuses to recognise St Georges Day.
The English have been looking for their own identity since the Welsh and Scots got their own Parliaments (kept afloat by English taxpayers incidently). Up until then we were happy to be British but now we should be allowed to enjoy pride in our own country, small and very diverse but a lot to be proud of.
During the Six Nations, all the other British Nations got their own anthems (all about beating up the English) whereas the English team (God Bless 'Em) had to put up with 'God Save the Queen', the British National Anthem, do you wonder that the English are starting to champ at the bit?
As for the Flag of St George, yes, it decended to depths with the National Party (spit) and Maggie Thatcher (double spit) but that was was decades ago, we have recaptured the flag so can we please now move on and be allowed to celebrate our own National Flag and Englishness?
If there are English people out there who want to do so and can make it, Maidenhead Folk Club is having a 'Rise Up St George' Night on the night of 20th April, all will be welcome (including the Scots, Welsh and Irish) to celebrate St George in whichever way the people want to.
Apart from that shameless plug for my own club, this all comes from the heart coming from someone who considers himself to be 100% English and 50% Irish (I leave you to work that out for yourself!)

Tony

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 09:32 AM

Surely 23rd of March is National Guinness Day?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 09:43 AM

Ken Livingstone a liverpudlian? Sorry "The Admiral" but you better go back to sailing your toy boats. Ken was born and grew up in Streatham (south london).PS Why should he give Londeners money to a neo-nazi free for all celebration?

St George, kiss my ass.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 09:52 AM

Bird Fu,You have managed to make 11 factual errors in 2 sentences.
I think that requires a special kind of genius.
The "Racial Purity" & "Superior Culture" crap proved disastrous for the last country that was misguided enough to give it a go.
There are no excuses for Racism.Not ever.
That's reality.Deal with it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 10:21 AM

england is no more!

That's a bit of a worry. Wonder where I live?

:D

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 10:38 AM

You live in BRITAIN along with all the other fine citizens and islamic bretheren.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 10:41 AM

And the reason you consider "fine citizen" & "islamic(sic)brethren" mutually exclusive categories would be...?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 10:43 AM

Do I? Fancy that! I always fancied living somewhere exotic:-)

Just out of interest, where do people from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland live?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Apr 06 - 03:50 PM

Dear Bird Flu:

I think you are named after the wrong illness.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Steve Grove
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 03:03 AM

Any suggestions for appropriate church music for St George's day, please? We have a small occasional 'gallery' band here in Devon.

Thanks...

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Snuffy
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 08:17 AM

When a knight won his spurs
For all the saints, who from their labours rest

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 02:14 PM

I think the St georges day hymn has already been mentioned, Steve. It can be found on t'internet.

Good luck.

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 07:43 AM

How often do all you "St George .. oh I must celebrate, cos the Irish do" lot actually go to church?

If You don't follow the church, then saints are irrelevant and you are just a bunch of no-cultue wankers - a bastardised mix of the scum of the earth!

As for the tosser that says 23rd March & guinness - what the fuck has that date got to do with the price of carrots?

"And the reason you consider "fine citizen" & "islamic(sic)brethren" mutually exclusive categories would be...? " says the purple shitbag Who on this post said that they considered said lot as exclusive?

This mudcay seems to be populated by a righ bunch of squeeking whinging anti-irish prats.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Shields Folk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 08:39 AM

what a pleasant individual

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Scooby
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 08:42 AM

What else can we say!!!!!
Scooby

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 08:45 AM

What has celebrating St George to do with going to Church, dear Guest? Although, this year, St Georges day is on a Sunday so I expect that some of the Christian members of Mudcat could well be there anyway.

Couple of other questions. How many people celebrating St Patricks day 'follow the church'. How many people, remembering that St Patricks day is always in the middle of lent, celebrate it with a sober visit to their local place of worship?

As to this bunch of 'no-cultue wankers' in the 'mudcay' beeing anti-irish prats. Well, I think your mastery of the English language speaks for itself. Please brighten up our lives still further with your gems of wisdom and intelligence. The worst you can do is keep my thread going:-)

Cheers

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Brakn
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:00 AM

GUEST is only trying to start a row. Ignore.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: The Admiral
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:30 AM

Rise Up St George and smite those who hide behind the cloak of Guest!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Scooby
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:33 AM

Well said Tony.
Scooby

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 12:08 PM

Penis envy.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 01:11 PM

Dear Guest 5th-"seperate"-poster- making-identical-punctuation-&-spelling-errors,by categorising "Fine Citizen" & "Islamic Brethren" seperately you create the logical inference that the latter are not be the former.
It is clear that conceptual thought is not your strong point so I will accept your implicit assertion that this is not what you intended to say.
Perhaps you might like to clarify what you did mean to say?
(You may like to ask a grown up to help you with this.)

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 02:02 PM

Anonymous posters are gutless little prats. If you believe in something strongly enough to expend energy typing it, take the extra step of demonstrating that you stand by your own words. It's damned hard to take you seriously while you're cowering behind a bush.

Take a moment to savor this bit of tongue-in-cheek irony. Then either start using a signature so we can start telling you apart, or bog off.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,Hoblander
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 02:36 PM

Friends of Hollybush                                                         
Hollybush Conservation Centre               
Broad Lane                              
Kirkstall
Leeds LS5 3BP         
Email: [e-mail]
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Dear
        
We are holding a Garden Party on the 23rd of April from 12pm- 3pm at the Hollybush Conservation Centre in Kirkstall. The event is a big open day run by Friends of Hollybush, which will promote the Hollybush wildlife garden and the activities at the centre. All are welcome, though we ask that children are accompanied by an adult.

We plan to have music, henna hand painting and folk dancing, as well as a willow sculpting activity in the garden. We will also provide space for other local groups to get involved, either by setting up a stall, or through music or arts and crafts. This will be a wonderful opportunity to promote your group or project. Alternatively you can send us promotional material that we will display for you on the day.
We will be in touch by phone, but directions are below along with a poster advertising the day. We really hope to see you there!

How to find us:
The bus routes are on the map. There is also Headingley train station five minutes up the road. From the station walk down the hill over the A65 (Abbey road) and you will be on Bridge road. Hollybush is just over the bridge.
Parking is available at Morrisons and BHS until 3.30pm.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 03:54 PM

Leave the poor little lad alone - he has enough problems:-)

Good luck with the fundraiser, Hoblander. Sell roses (White I guess in your case!) for a vast profit. See if the Morrisons and BHS that are letting you park will dispose of some freebies in your direction.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 03:56 PM

What a lovely post, Hoblander! Shrapnel flying every way and in you step with a quintessentially English and typically understated notice. Tea, anyone?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,RIchard Bridge
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 03:56 AM

BPL, I second that.

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 04:00 AM

I see our pure-bred Guest is spouting his racist rubbish again - just the sort of thing we want to avoid when celebrating St George. Let's not forget that St George, if he did exist, was a citizen of one of the most cosmopolitan civilisations known. He even exemplifies cross-fertilisation - in marrying the King of Egypt's daughter he introduced fresh blood into a dynasty well known for marrying its own siblings.

Guest, get on yer bike!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST,slasher
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 07:28 PM

That comment by GUEST looks like it should have in the 'Mangled Song Lyrics' thread.
If he can't understand the language how can he understand the culture?

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 02:32 AM

Lookin at this website over the past few months I have concluded that mudcat = Scotch loving, Irish hating small minded beardies!

St George? Bollox!!!

Subject: RE: Folklore: St Georges day
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 09 Apr 06 - 03:35 AM

I don't know about Irish-hating, quite a few of us here (indeed, on this thread) are of Irish descent, but you're the small-minded one espousing hate for so-called mongrel races. Probably something to do with the purity of your blood-line. Say hallo to the family for me.