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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Amos Date: 11 Feb 06 - 11:16 AM ASHINGTON Feb 11, 2006 (AP)— Top White House officials were warned that Hurricane Katrina would be "our worst nightmare" the day the storm roared ashore, former federal disaster chief Michael Brown says. An assertive Brown told senators Friday that he described levee failures and massive flooding last Aug. 29 to chief of staff Andrew Card, deputy chief of staff Joe Hagin and others in the White House. He said the Homeland Security Department was among a half-dozen government agencies that received regular briefings that day from him and other officials by way of video conference calls. Administration officials have said they did not realize the severe damage Katrina had caused until after the storm had passed. But under oath, Brown told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee he could not explain why his appeals failed to produce a faster response. "I expected them to cut every piece of red tape, do everything they could … that I didn't want to hear anybody say that we couldn't do everything they humanly could to respond to this," Brown said about a video conference with administration officials in which President Bush briefly participated the day before Katrina hit. "Because I knew in my gut this was the bad one." In the end, the hurricane claimed more than 1,300 lives, uprooted hundreds of thousands more and caused tens of billions of dollars worth of damage in New Orleans and other Gulf Coast communities. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 11 Feb 06 - 06:14 PM Well, well, well, Amos... I am speachless here... I figured by now Karl Rove would have this one covered like ugly on a gorilla??? Is he on vacation, too??? I mean, here we have the usual cast of Muscat Bush apologists pacing the floor waiting for their "talking points" so they can jump right in with guns a' blazin' accusing this guy or that guy for this or that but what do we have??? Silence??? No, it ain't me that is speachless... It's the Bushites here... I can't believe my ears!!! What, are they going to just conceed a point??? This ain't like 'um at all, Amos... I'm worried... No, more like concerned... Maybe they is grouping behind a bush (pun inteneded) waiting to jump out like boogiemen??? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,AR282 Date: 11 Feb 06 - 10:44 PM You know what's strange? I ran across the term "femy provinces." I wondered what that meant and found a definition. Femy provinces are provinces under military administration. Femy is the plural usage. The singular is fema. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 12 Feb 06 - 10:07 PM Hmmmmmmmmm, AR??? Does give a feller food fir thought, don't it??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Amos Date: 13 Feb 06 - 11:05 AM Republicans brand Katrina response a national failure · Bush and his homeland security chief singled out · Details leaked as New Orleans enjoys parade Dan Glaister in Los Angeles Monday February 13, 2006 The Guardian The response to Hurricane Katrina was "a national failure" and "an abdication of the most solemn obligation to provide for the common welfare", according to details from the first of three anticipated reports into the disaster, published yesterday. The report, by a committee of Republicans in the Houseof Representatives, declared that "all the little pigs built houses of straw". The report, entitled A Failure of Initiative, is due to be published on Wednesday. It criticises the homeland security chief, Michael Chertoff, saying his detachment from events led him to implement federal emergency response measures "late, ineffectively or not at all". ... (The Guardian, 2-13-06) |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 13 Feb 06 - 12:43 PM Yeah, Amos, yer right... Seesm that the House Repubs, believe it or not, are on the verge of issuing a report which is highly critical of Bush and his administration's handling of Katrina!!! House Repubs!!! Hey, I could almostr believe the Senate doing this but the House Repubs just don't do this, no matter what... Have ya noticed the recent "silence" from the Bushites on this thread, Amos??? I can't believe that Karl Rove is going to conceed this point. Maybe these guys finally have figured out that they can't just lie their ways outta screw ups... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Peace Date: 13 Feb 06 - 01:47 PM Where are the loudmouths who were defending the actions of the Federal administration while the folks in NO were getting knocked down? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 14 Feb 06 - 08:20 AM In hiding, Bruce... They are awaiting their marching orders and talking points... Stay tuned... The report comes out tomorrow and you can bet the Karl Rove and the boys are busily making chicken salad out of chicken sh*t... But you can bet that Rove will have the Bushites up to speed soon... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST Date: 14 Feb 06 - 05:49 PM Might be better than you constantly making Chicken sh*t out of Chicken salad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 25 Feb 06 - 08:55 PM Well, given the latest reports by both the Congress and even the White House it is apparent that Bush was no more prepared to "protect the American people", irregardless of what causes the catastrophy, than before 9/11... Even Michael Brown went on network news and when asked what he would say to Bush if he could, Brown said "told you so"... These were the arguments that I presented here in this thread a long time ago and they stiull hold solid today... I refresh this thread now and then just as a reminder to the blind Bushite's here that all is not well with the Bush administration... Yeah, I know that the Bushites have long conceeded that Bush screwed this up and, hence, prolly won't even post to this thread but, hey, here is proff positive that Bush is a screw up and a liar and I'll refresh this thread now and then until Bush is no longer a menace to the United States and the world... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Q as guest Date: 25 Feb 06 - 10:44 PM I doubt that that there has ever been a worse president. The next hurricane season is only about 100 days away. I am afraid it may lead to another (name of hurricane)gate. Work on the waterways and levees (federal) is way too slow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 26 Feb 06 - 09:09 AM Yeah, Q, looks as if 60% og the repairs to the levee is still incomplete and when completed will only protect N.O. from a Cat 2 storm??? Insanity: Repeating a behavior expecting different results (Einstien)... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Snuffy Smif Date: 20 Apr 06 - 12:42 PM Price no object in N.O. car-removal City appears to choose top-dollar contract Times-Picayune Wednesday, March 22, 2006 By James Varney Staff writer In seeking a contract to remove thousands of flooded and wrecked cars from New Orleans, Mayor Ray Nagin's administration recommended that the city go with the highest quoted price for the job, a review of the 14 proposals submitted last year shows. It appears the chosen proposal, a $1,000-per-car bid from Colorado-based CH2M Hill, was nearly triple the cost of at least three other bids, records show. The gap between CH2M Hill and the other companies cannot be precisely ascertained, because not every proposal included a price, and some of those that did listed tasks that others did not. It is clear, however, that CH2M Hill's price has remained relatively constant, because administrators confirmed last week that the contract still being finalized would cost approximately $23 million and the number of uninsured junkers still clogging city streets is between 20,000 and 25,000. That contrasts with $350 per car, the "firm, fixed price," offered by a consortium led by the Shaw Group, which a five-person review committee ranked as the second-best bid, just two points behind CH2M Hill, according to the committee's scoring sheet. At least two other offers, from Contingency Management Solutions of Metairie and from MWH Global of Denver, were in the same ballpark as Shaw's, records show. The contract for removing "abandoned and damaged vehicles" is a professional services one, meaning the mayor is not required by law to select the lowest bidder. On the other hand, price was supposed to figure as 20 percent of each proposal's grade, but the committee gave almost every submission the full 20 points in that category, meaning no advantage accrued to the cheaper submissions. Jack Dupree, president of Southern Scrap Materials Co., which partnered with Shaw, said those curious figures are a warning sign that the contract doesn't pass the smell test. "Something's not adding up here," he said. "I've never seen so little transparency in a deal, and it's a mystery why, if you've got a price and picked a winner, nothing has been signed. Why haven't they done it at the price CH2M Hill said they could do it for?" Controversy has begun to swirl around the issue almost seven months after Katrina made thousands of water-stained, abandoned cars as much a symbol of the city's streets as potholes were before the storm. Queries first arose after revelations that a Texas car-crushing company had offered, in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, to pay the city $100 per junked car. The bid, made informally by K&L Auto Crushers at one of Nagin's town hall meetings, still stands, although the terms would have to be renegotiated, K&L's Dan Simpson said last week. Making money A rarely invoked city ordinance could also pave the way for the rapid and potentially lucrative removal of the vehicular blight, according to some legal experts. At the original price and with the original estimate of 30,000 flooded cars, K&L's offer would have netted the cash-starved city $3 million. In contrast, the city is proceeding with the CH2M Hill deal, which includes towing, cataloging and storing the cars at an estimated cost of about $23 million, administrators said. Thus, even at somewhat lower rates, the city would have taken in more than $3 million if it went with K&L or one of the other car-crushing companies that have proposed similar arrangements, according to the State Police. Meanwhile, as some national conservative pundits pounded Nagin on the topic this week, the administration appeared to circle its wagons. Neither the mayor nor his staffers have answered questions about the car-removal contract in the past few days. In the face of the Nagin administration's silence, New Orleans City Council members questioned the deal, with some of them saying a costly arrangement makes no sense if feasible money-making ideas are on the table. "It seems to me it would have made sense to investigate this," said Councilwoman Renee Gill Pratt. "If someone was willing to pay us money, why wouldn't we want to do that and save money, too?" Gill Pratt said she plans to raise the issue at the council's budget committee meeting Thursday. Slow pace? Council members also expressed frustration at the protracted pace of events. In an interview last week before the car-crushing offers and proposal discrepancies made headlines, Parking Administrator Richard Boseman estimated it could be another six months from the time the deal is signed before the cleanup is finished, though he held out hope it could be quicker. Either way, it's been too long, Councilman Jay Batt argued. "To take six more months at least, when maybe we could have the cars off the street right now? That's just ridiculous," he said. Batt said he's not sure the car-crusher options are solid, given they have been presented informally. Nevertheless, if the Nagin administration were less secretive about its contracting practices, some of this embarrassment might have been avoided, Batt said. "The mayor is tweaking his contracts while the streets look terrible," he said. Such comments suggest the pending contract with CH2M Hill, whose press office has also not responded to phone calls, is poised to become another contentious issue between a council and an administration already at odds on a host of post-Katrina spending matters. More spending matters could arise when the second half of the car job is being considered. In the short term, the city is simply inking a deal with CH2M Hill to cart off the cars and warehouse them. Future work, on the other hand, will involve a second contract that includes the remediation and recycling of environmentally hazardous materials and then the scrapping of the cars. In theory, the city could make some money back at that point, but the outline of that contract hasn't even been sketched out yet, let alone advertised, officials said. The holdups on the current contract remain maddeningly vague to some players such as Dupree of Southern Scrap. City officials said they are simply awaiting the green light from FEMA, which could reimburse the city 100 percent of the costs if it approves the contract. But the Federal Emergency Management Agency said it is waiting on paperwork from the city. Dupree accused the city of shifting the scope of the work and blamed some of the delays on those constant changes. "The scope of this thing has been changed by the city four or five times already," he said. "This whole thing should be much further along, and we're severely frustrated by what's happened." |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 20 Apr 06 - 01:25 PM Bottom line, N.O. is broke, as in tapped out, and must rely on FEMA approving the funds... If FEMA approves this contract it will be just one more failure at the federal level, to go with all the rest of them upon which I have allready posted... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,G Date: 20 Apr 06 - 01:47 PM bobert, you are the chief malcontent of Mudcat. Billions have been give to NO by the Feds. The Mayor is simply utilizing his ineptness as usual. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,G Date: 20 Apr 06 - 01:59 PM Wonder why the Mayor did not accept, months ago, the offer from a company that WOULD PAY the city $100 per car. This is a firm that would have brought in crushers and would then sell the scrap to steel mills. Two things stand out here - 8 months later and the city still has done nothing about the 30,000 autos littering the streets and apparently bobert did not read Snuffy's post very well.......... actually, the last part doen't stand out as it is becoming very apparent that reading and understanding is not a prequisite when one's opinion has been predetermined. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: CarolC Date: 20 Apr 06 - 02:12 PM Meanwhile, emergency planners in all of the Gulf coast states (including the ones with Republican governors) are trying to convince the Bush administration to make FEMA an independent agency with presidential oversight (as is was before it was incorporated into the DHS), while they try to prepare for the next hurricane season. The reason they give being that FEMA as a stand alone agency can be run by people who are experts in managing emergencies, rather than in fighting terrorism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,G Date: 20 Apr 06 - 02:30 PM Agreed that FEMA should be independent. GWB did not want it incorporated into DHS to begin with. I was never able to find why he eventually gave into this scenario I do know he was adamant at first with regard to it not being included. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 20 Apr 06 - 10:08 PM Bush, if you will recall G-zer, didn't even want the Department of Homeland Security... But after it was formed, it was part of his administration meaning that he was responsible for its successes of failures much like he was responsible for the successes (which there were few) and the failures (of which there were many0 as CEO of Harkin. Inc... See, what you don't seem tou understand is that what folks on the other side of the isle see in Bush. First, he is incomeptant... He has failed or gone AWOL at everything he has tried... Second, and this is more damning, he isn't smart enough to listen to lots of ideas... Oh yeah, we've all heard the various Bushites on NPR say that he listens to lots of different ideas but, bottom line, when you surround yourself with idealogues who think like you then chances are you aren't getting the big picture... No matter how much attention you, G-zer, want to pay N.O.'s mayor, all you are doing is trying to shift the the focus away from yer guy's collasal failures... I mean, let's face it, even though you might not admit it, if you had to turn your family's business over, whcih BTW was your only source of retirement income, you wouldn't turn it over to Bush... As fir me being Mudcat's biggest malcontent??? If that means the one here in the Catbox who most detest's the current corrupt Republican regime, then thanks for the compliment... Bobert (Malcontent an' proud of it....) |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:58 AM Whatever the deal to remove the cars, FEMA will have to approve and pay. Many offers have been made to do work, some speculative and some by outfits with no experience. FEMA must approve and pay. These concerns are small compared with the slow and low-grade preparations by FEMA and the Corps of Engineers to meet future hurricanes. The Corpse of Engineers is repairing and rebuilding the levees, etc. only to Category 3 storm level. And this level will not be attained before the hurricane season begins. "....the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) is on an aggressive path to repair and improve the flood control system. The USACE is on schedule to have repairs to damaged areas completed by June 2006, TO HAVE ALL FEDERAL LEVEES CONSTRUCTED TO AUTHORIZED HEIGHTS BY SEPTEMBER 2007, AND TO HAVE FULLY AUTHORIZED LEVELS OF PROTECTION AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SYSTEM COMPLETED BY 2010 (caps mine). 2007? 2010? And only to Category 3 storm levels? Keep your fingers crossed! Above is from the Advisory on Base Flood Elevations for Jefferson Parish issued by FEMA April 12, 2006. This and other advisories available from the Times-Picayune website, www.nola.com. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Snuffy Date: 29 Apr 06 - 10:09 AM In other words Bobert will support any asshole as long as he is a Democrat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 29 Apr 06 - 04:05 PM Can only be better than Rummy, Crummy and Dummy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 29 Apr 06 - 07:09 PM Yo, Snuff... Nice try but if you'd been 'round here a little longer you'd know that I've made no bones about the fact that I support and vote for the Green Party... Most Dems don't impress me at all... Bobert (Proud to be Green) |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST Date: 29 Apr 06 - 07:30 PM Nothing like voting for someone you know is going to be an automatic loser. This allows that voter to badger everyone else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 29 Apr 06 - 07:39 PM Beats the heck out of votin' for corporate shills, GUEST... If you think that Tom Jefferson would vote for a Repubocrat then you are no student of democracy... And I don't "badger everyone"... Just crooks, liars, thieves and dumb folks... If you ain't in that group than you have nuthin' to fear... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Amos Date: 29 Apr 06 - 08:09 PM Besides, Bobert is much too smart to be even 75% as stupid as you think he is, Guestoid. You are missing the picture big time. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 29 Apr 06 - 08:31 PM Hmmmmmm??? I'll put the Wes Ginny Slide Rule on that one, Amos, an see if I can figurate just how stupid GUEST thinks I am??? No matter, here we are at pushin' 400 posts on this thread an' not one Bushite has rebutted anything I have put forward??? Oh sure, they have called names and tries to divert the thread the best they can but as far as I've seen, it's been nuthin' by rope-a-dope on their part, with the emphasis on the dope.... Can I can any Bushite to come up with an intellegent rebuttal??? I mean anything??? Bush blew the crap out of this one and it showed that, inspite of his boasting that his job was to protect the American people, when the smoke cleared, those boastings were nuthin; more than that: boasts.... Yeah, Bush can talk the talk, but he can't walk the walk... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST Date: 30 Apr 06 - 07:38 AM Well, now that you mentioned it, Amos, I had not really given any thought to percentages but perhaps we can settle at 70. Don't really know the guy and judging his intelligence level from afar doesn't seem cricket to me. Probably sorry you brought it up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: autolycus Date: 30 Apr 06 - 05:45 PM C (as in Cat), C, and there was me thinking that anyone who votes feels free to badger all the other parties. C. Ivor |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Snuffy Date: 30 Apr 06 - 05:57 PM Bobert the Naginite wins by default because he is 100% stupid. Too stupid to recognize a fact when one is presented. Amos an Bobert are standing side by side. Someone yells "will the dumbest one step forward" They both step forward. So the person yells "will the dumbest one step back" They both step back. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: autolycus Date: 30 Apr 06 - 06:01 PM Extremely powerful argumentation there, clear premises, tight logic, all the evidence one could wish for. Eat your heart out Freddy Ayer. Ivor |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 30 Apr 06 - 07:51 PM I'd like to enter Snuffy's above post as Exhibit #198 that the Bushites know thay have no defense of the positions and arguments I put forward some 380 posts ago... Thanks, Snuffster, for so elequently showin' yer Bushite ass... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST Date: 23 May 06 - 02:12 PM One o' them New Oleans crooks Bobert wants to pertect: bribe-talker is Democrat Rep. William Jefferson of New Orleans, LAA businessman who paid bribes to a member of the US House of Representatives and chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, has pleaded guilty to a two-count indictment charging him with conspiracy to commit bribery and the payment of bribes to a public official, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Vernon L. Jackson, 53, of Louisville, Kentucky, entered his plea in US District Court in Alexandria, VA. Jackson faces up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000, under the terms of his plea agreement with prosecutors. Also, as part of his plea, Jackson has agreed to cooperate with law enforcement officials in an ongoing probe of public corruption related to telecommunications deals in Africa and elsewhere. While court papers refer to the suspect congressman as "Representative A," the identity of the alleged bribe-talker is Democrat Rep. William Jefferson of New Orleans, LA, according to a source close to the investigation. Jefferson is serving his eighth term in the House. According to the criminal information, from 1998 through this year, Jackson had been the Chairman and CEO of iGate, Inc., a Kentucky firm developing technology which is designed to transmit data, audio, and video communications over copper wire. In his plea, Jackson admits that in 2000, he was introduced to Rep. Jefferson, who was active in promoting US trade and business in Africa with other members of the Black Caucus. Rep. Jefferson allegedly provided official assistance to Jackson in persuading the US Army to test iGate's broadband two-way technology and other iGate products. Jefferson's official assistance led to the placement of iGate on the US General Services Administration schedule, making iGate products eligible for use in various federal contracts. Ultimately, iGate's products were used by the US Army at Fort Stewart, Georgia. Jackson further admits that in early 2001, Rep. Jefferson told him that he would not continue to provide official assistance to Jackson's company, iGate, unless Jackson agreed to pay a nominee company ostensibly maintained in the names of Rep. Jefferson's spouse and children. Jackson agreed and signed a consulting services agreement committing iGate to pay the nominee company various things of value, thereby concealing Jackson's payments in exchange for Jefferson's performance of official acts in aiding iGate's business in Africa and elsewhere. According to the FBI, Jackson made monthly payments of $7,500 to Jefferson, as well as a percentage of Jackson's gross sales. Rep. Jefferson also received a percentage of capital investments raised for iGate, and options for iGate stock. In his plea, Jackson admitted to allowing over $400,000 to be paid to the nominee company and that the consulting services agreement was designed to conceal the illegal nature of the payments demanded by Rep. Jefferson. In return for the agreement by Jackson to pay "things of value," Rep. Jefferson agreed to perform numerous official acts in furtherance of iGate's business, including efforts to influence high-ranking officials in Nigeria, Ghana, Cameroon and elsewhere through official correspondence and in-person meetings; Jefferson's travel to those countries to setup these meetings; and meetings with personnel of the Export-Import Bank of the United States, the official export credit agency of the United States, in order to help with potential financing for iGate business deals in those countries. "According to his plea, Vernon Jackson got favorable treatment from a Congressman because he paid for it," said Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division of the US Department of Justice. "Public corruption is not a victimless crime -- all of us lose when people believe public officials can be brought. Those who conspire with elected officials to subvert the integrity of our government will be prosecuted." While Vernon Jackson is scheduled for sentencing in this bribery scheme, so far Rep. William Jefferson has not been indicted, nor is there a great deal of attention being paid to the case by members of the House or the mainstream news media. Rep. Jefferson is the subject of yet another ongoing criminal investigation. In August 2005, federal agents searched his home in New Orleans and his home and car in Washington, DC, as well as the home and office of his campaign accountant in New Orleans. As part of the investigation, the US home of the Vice President of Nigeria also was searched. During the raid on Rep. Jefferson's home, FBI agents say that they found a large amount of cash in Jefferson's freezer. In addition, in the midst of the Katrina disaster in New Orleans, allegations arose that Rep. Jefferson used emergency response personnel and transportation, including members of the National Guard, to retrieve "packages" from his home. These were people attempting to rescue and protect victims of Katrina. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Amos Date: 23 May 06 - 03:05 PM Excuse me. But I fail to see where Bobert said he wanted to defend Rep. Jefferson or Vernon Jackson. Your assertion seems to be hollow chest-beating. Note, too, that the people of New Orleans have just re-elected Mister Nagin as Mayor. Obviously he must have done something right. Or was it a Diebold operation in your book? I notice he didn't have to ask for a recount. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: CarolC Date: 23 May 06 - 04:21 PM No, we don't want to protect any crooks. What we want to do is get ALL of the crooks out of office. Both the Republican crooks, AND the Democrat crooks. I suspect Bobert is in agreement with me on this one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 31 May 06 - 08:22 PM Yeah, seems GUEST hasn't been 'round here to long... I ain't got no love fir Dems either... If they are crooks then boot 'um... Crooks is crooks... Why, GUEST, would you go thru the trouble to make the big letters when the cru7x of yer post was "Look at me. I just arrived here and I figure I'll just attack Bobert from my position of ignorance!!!" Well, pal, it worked... You sho nuff brought some serious attention to the fact that you are totally ignorant when it comes to professing that you know much about about me or my political leanings... Nice job.... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 31 May 06 - 08:25 PM Oh, an' for tbhe record, maybe you'd like to be the first to offer any respectable rebuttal to the charges I have made against the Bush administration in this thread... God knows, no one else has come close other than doing what you just did... Try to change the subject... Or call me names... Been lotta that but nuthin' that would get so much as a "Gentleman's C" in Debating 101... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST Date: 31 May 06 - 10:03 PM A couple facts - I have been in New Orleans, early on and a return trip with the Red Cross. A few weeks after the the water dropped, a recycling company offered the City a $50 per car fee for every destroyed vehicle. That means that they would pay the city of NO $50 for every car they would crush or shred and remove from the city. NOW, the illustrious Mayor is receiving bids where THE CITY will pay $500 to $1000 per car for the same process. Our tax dollars at work, eh? And don't give me any BS about FEMA approving it - the City has received the funds and it is theirs to do with as they please. The Mayor has a better chance of kickbacks with this plan. Oh yes - the second fact - bobert has not a clue as to what he has been saying since the start of this thread. A simple fact of an individual (bobert) trying to be more than one could possibly be with the meager resources available. Keep in mind, many of us have been there. Were you, bobert? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: SINSULL Date: 31 May 06 - 10:30 PM Today, I spoke with a young woman who spent her vacation with the Animal Rescue people in New Orleans. The situation is a mess. There are literally thousands of cats and dogs still losse in the streets BECAUSE they were not neutered prior to the disaster and so continue to multiply. 4000 feeding stations have been established but they do not have enough volunteers to keep them filled. Spay or neuter your pets, people. And if you are thinking of adopting a pet, look into Katrina rescues. The 2006-07 Hurricane Season starts this week. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 31 May 06 - 10:41 PM Give yerself a big pat on the back, GUEST... Nevermind, you just did that... No, I haven't been to N.O. since Katrina... Does that make the Bush administration any less the utter failure that it has been??? This thread ain't 'bout me, GUEST... It's about a president who after 9/11 went out and said over and over abnd over that his job was to "protect the American people"... Heck, he probably said those exact words a thousand times and then came Katrina... Well, Katrine could have been a terrorist attack anywhere in the U.S. It didn't have to be a hurrican.. What showed is that Bush had been lieing about making the right kind of decisions and spending priorities that, ahhhh, would have actually had to occur to protect the American people... In other words, Bush lied... He was not prepared to protect the American people... Thi8s thread is all about that, GUEST... It isn't about junk cars or towing fees... It isn't about you going to N.O or me not going to N.O... It's about a man who choze to lie to the American people hoping that nuthin' weould happen to expose the lies... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,fumblefingers Date: 31 May 06 - 11:20 PM It works from the bottom up despite what you say. The individual,City/County or Parish/State/Federal.That's the chain of responsibility. We had a tornado go through here not long ago that destroyed a number of homes and killed several people. Neither the Governor nor the President came around. FEMA didn't show up at all. Nobody expected them to. They understood, as do most people, that looking after every city and town in the country is not the baliwick of the President of the United States. That's why all these levels of government exist in the first place. Why not just own up to being a Bush basher who is looking for any and everything to blame the president for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST Date: 31 May 06 - 11:49 PM Hey Bobert. Been away a while and checked in and figured your name might be at the start of the "KatrinaGate" thread. And since tomorrow begins the '06 hurricane season, I'll throw in a couple of centavos. I think I made the point somewhere on this forum that New Orleans was turned over to the federal govt. in Feb of 2003. New Orleans defaulted on lots of federal loans and the feds took over. It was by design. Ten square mails of DC isn't much of a lab for terrorism, so they branched out. The Dept of Homeland Security took over the running of New Orleans in Feb '03 and consolidated 45 city offices into 8. Answerable directly to and only to DHS. Then they waited. And when the storm hit they blew the levees. Instant catastrophe to see how plans work when they're moved from the drawing board to the field. And Katrina provided lots of instructive data. Ring a city with troops and turn back relief convoys. Unconstitutionally collect guns. Land foreign troops on American soil. Claim it's all a big "turf war" and "incompetence" and "lack-of-funding" problem and have the govt-controlled media sell that to Americans dumb enough to think a plane with a tank full of kerosene could bring down a 110 story steel tower. Anyway, the criminally complicit media reported Katrina as a category 5 hurricane for months, but now we know it was a cat 3. That news dribbled out slowly and was phrased in a way intended to make us think they were analyzing records and were downgrading it in hindsight. What BS. They knew AT THE TIME IT WAS IN PROGRESS that it was a 3, but they also knew they'd have to sell the death and destruction in a way that would make sense to the toob-heads, so a category 5 it was. So NOAA and the news media is in league with our terrorist govt. Just another branch of the terrorist govt. It'll be interesting to see what they have in store for us this year. Have all those points been made? Too lazy to look at the whole thread. Hope you're well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Guest from Texas Date: 31 May 06 - 11:52 PM The above is from the Texas Guest. Forgot to sign. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 01 Jun 06 - 08:05 PM Well, well, well... Good to hear from ya, my friend... Has been awhile... You see what I'm having to put up with these days, don't cha... Like fumblefingers and his buds... They will make every argument they can to protect their man... They will never consider that maybe the guy is a screw-up... So they say stuff like, "Bu8sh can't be there to kiss every booboo, can he??? Well, iof course he can't... That isn't the issue... The issue is about protecting massive population centers... Ya' don't do that be stripping out the funding for FEMA... Ya' don't do that by appointing yer old college drinking buddies to jobs that require skills other than knowing how to tap a keg... You don't do that by not living up to yer obligations to maintain the levee system... N.O. was a disaster waiting to happen and the Bush administartion sat by, evn after it had happened, in denial... That's the real story here... It's a story of gross incompetence... Like what about the National Response Plan that the Bush folks had worked out??? Where was it displayed??? Hey, fumbler, I'm asking you a reasonable question... What about Bush's National Response Plan??? Oh, you didn't get the memo??? Hadn't heard of it???? Hmmmmmmm??? Hey, don'ty feel too bad... Seesm that the folks who were supposed to impliment it hadn't either... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: CarolC Date: 01 Jun 06 - 09:48 PM http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060602/ts_nm/weather_hurricanes_flood_dc_1 Incomplete system blamed for Katrina crisis NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - An incomplete system of defenses built in pieces over 40 years was responsible for the flooding that devastated New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina last year, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said on Thursday. A few critical links failed in the system of earthen levees and concrete floodwalls designed to protect the city, the report said. The region's flood protection system, built by the Corps over the past 40 years, was compromised by "incompleteness in the system" and inconsistent standards of construction and protection levels. The eight-volume, 6,100-page report by the Interagency Performance Evaluation Task Force is one of the most extensive to date in the effort to find out what allowed storm damage to spiral out of control. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Q as guest Date: 01 Jun 06 - 09:52 PM Watched on Anderson Cooper the Corpse of Engineers building away on their levees and gates to protect NO. Only to level 3. And they won't make it before the start of the hurricane season. What fumble feathers and others can't get in their skulls is that the Navigation Canal and supporting levees which couldn't stop the surge from Lake Ponchartrain are the responsibility of the Corps of Engineers and ultimately the Federal government since they are part of the internationl waterways system. This is all spelled out in the bumff (federal regulations) previously discussed in this and other NO threads. What will be the next failure of the most incompetent federal administration that the U. S. A. has ever had? (even with his mucked-up eyeglasses, Bobert can still see more clearly than some posting here. Didja get a new pair yet? I am still getting used to the new lens installation). |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST Date: 01 Jun 06 - 10:16 PM Yep, it is all the fault of GWB - all of it!!!!!!!! Just ask 'Q' and Bobert. My only question is how GWB started the hurricane and how he did the guidance so it hit where it did. Other than that, my mind is completely secure in the fact............. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 01 Jun 06 - 10:48 PM No, Guest, this ain't got one danged thing do do with a hurricane but Bush's lies... He said he had it covered... He went around the country sayin' that his job was to protect the American people and, when the chips were down, he wasn't... He lied!!! Hey, he's the CEO and he should have had the right people and the right ideas in place... GHe didn't!!! Yeah, he boasted of having things covered but... ...he didn't!!! No, this could have been some terrorist plot that had disabled an American city... It didn't have to be a hurricane... Bush said he was ready but... ...he wasn't!!! That's the way it was, GUEST... You can go on defending the Bush administration's response to Katrina until the cows come home but guess what??? Give??? Yer guy ain't presidential material.... Not that I liked Slick Willie much more but Slick Willie would have eaten up 9/11 and had the feds ready for a Katrina... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST Date: 01 Jun 06 - 11:03 PM My only question is how GWB started the hurricane and how he did the guidance so it hit where it did. Come off it. Going by what I read from the "Bush camp" defending the president at the time, it would appear that even I as a nobody living in the UK had more clue about the course of the hurricane and the degree of destruction than the president of the US. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST Date: 01 Jun 06 - 11:23 PM Yeah Slick Willy will eat just about anything including a Bush. |
