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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 10:24 PM

A friend of mine put this little video together as a part of her efforts to support Dennis (she did the lead vocal, too). I like it a lot...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOSNO969OsA&watch_response


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 03:46 PM

Glenn Beck is a tool.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 03:29 PM

Apparently, UFO sightings don't disqualify anyone for the presidency, since two previous presidents claim to have seen UFOs - Presidents Carter and Reagan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Wolfgang
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 09:46 AM

Number 6' link did work for me fine.

When I click on
Dennis K. questions Bush's mental health


I get

Not Found

Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here.


Says in fewer words the same as Carol's link does.

Speaking about mental health: Kucinich's UFO Sighting

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 08:12 AM

The article is still available at CNN .... it's in the "CNN Political Ticker" page.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 08:08 AM

That's it Carol. The link I posted was from CNN though. Yeah, looks like CNN dropped it.

Dennis .... "If there isn't something wrong with him, then there's something wrong with us."

He has a very good point with that statement.

biLL (a big fan of Dennis)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 01:00 AM

Is this it, number6?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i4uk87C-w-x9kkLnpHrzoZQAdvKQD8SJPUO80


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 12:59 AM

Heh. Looks like they pulled it down from their site. Wish I could read it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 12:56 AM

Your link doesn't work, number6.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: number 6
Date: 30 Oct 07 - 10:05 PM

Something of interest here ...

Dennis K. questions Bush's mental health

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Oct 07 - 02:18 PM

Tonight (Tuesday, October 30) at 11:00 EST (-5 GMT), Dennis will be participating in a live chat online after the Democratic debate (debate is from 9:00 to 11:00 PM EST, on MSNBC).

Here's the link for the live chat...

http://www.kucinichr.com/


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Oct 07 - 12:39 AM

Videos and articles...

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/audio-&-video/



PDF Documents. Can be printed to make brochures...


The Kucinich 12-Point Plan for Iraq

http://www2.kucinich.us/files/pdfs/12point_plan.pdf


Kucinich Analysis of the Joint Resolution on Iraq

http://www2.kucinich.us/files/pdfs/Oct2002Analysis.pdf


Universal Health Care

http://www2.kucinich.us/files/pdfs/universal_health_care.pdf


Patriot Act

http://www2.kucinich.us/files/pdfs/patriot_act.pdf


Farm Policy

http://www2.kucinich.us/files/pdfs/farm_policy.pdf


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 07 - 02:01 AM

Mr. Willie N. singing for Dennis...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy1mEfIo9ZU


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 07:22 PM

Oh, jus' wait until Teribus gets here, CarolC... He'll sest the record sraight... Prolly get the count down into the 2000 range...

No matter... What does matter is that a single US troop has died to prop up this little coward...

Tell ya' what, I'd like to have about 5 minutes with the little lieing wiezel alone in an alley... Jus' 5 minutes...

(But, BObert... What would Dr. King say???)

Prolly tell me to knee the little sumabich in the groin while I was at it...

Yeah, I love Dennis...

My first real thread here in Mudville many years ago was about Dennis's bill that would create a Department of Peace, something which would still be a major step forward for our country...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 07:10 PM

This one's pretty funny, except for a couple of parts which are quite graphic and very sad...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9REGbr0nfI&NR=1


Speaking at Congregation B'nai Brith in Santa Barbara, CA...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ok0PbYHXicM


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 01:23 PM

Ok, I have to post this. The person who posted the article about the 73,000 servicemen killed in Iraq in the Kucinich forum was apparently passing on misinformation. Here's a Prison Planet article about it...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/270907_complete_hoax.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 05:00 PM

Thanks Carol....Keep up the good work ..Your a "Bonnie fechter"..Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 11:48 AM

On forcing a vote on impeaching Cheny, and on current legislative language approving war against Iran (listen to the audio clip)...

http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Kucinich_seriously_thinking_about_forcing_vote_0928.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 11:16 AM

Forgot to post a link to the thread...

http://action.dennis4president.com/forum/posts/id_1387/


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 11:15 AM

Here's another interesting one from the forum on Dennis' website...


73,846 U.S. TROOPS DEAD;
1,620,906 PERMANENTLY DISABLED

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS ISSUES OFFICIAL REPORT CONFIRMING 73,000 U.S. TROOPS KILLED IN IRAQ
SAME GOVERNMENT AGENCY REPORT CONFIRMS 1.6 MILLION "DISABLED" BY THE WAR!

George Walker Bush has presided over the worst defeat of the United States Military since Vietnam and has deliberately skewed reporting of the deaths and injuries to conceal the facts.

Department of Veteran's Affairs, in conjunction with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has released the truth because they need the American People to know our military is literally, destroyed.

They cannot release these horrific numbers via the chain of command because they are under orders to conceal the truth at all costs, so they let slip a report which now cannot be "un-slipped."

Here are the facts and a link to the government source to prove these facts:
More Gulf War Veterans have died than Vietnam Veterans.

The Department of Veterans Affairs, May 2007, Gulf War Veterans Information System reports the following:

Total U.S. Military Gulf War Deaths: 73,846
– Deaths amongst Deployed: 17,847
– Deaths amongst Non-Deployed: 55,999

Total "Undiagnosed Illness" (UDX) claims: 14,874

Total number of disability claims filed: 1,620,906
- Disability Claims amongst Deployed: 407,911
- Disability Claims amongst Non-Deployed: 1,212,995

Percentage of combat troops that filed Disability Claims 36%

Soldiers, by nature, typically don't complain. In other words, the real impact of those who are disabled from the US invasions in Iraq, Afghanistan and other Nations, is not fully reflected in the official Veterans Affairs numbers. When soldiers are sent to murder women and children they tend to never be able to live normal lives there after.

How come the government numbers of 3,777 as of 9/7/7 are so low? The answer is simple, the government does not want the 73,000 dead to be compared to the 55,000 U.S. soldiers killed in Vietnam Iraq = Vietnam. What the government is doing is only counting the soldiers that die in action before they can get them into a helicopter or ambulance. Any soldier who is shot but they get into a helicopter before he dies is not counted.

73,000 dead amongst the U.S. soldiers for this scale operation using weapons of mass destruction is not high - we expect the great majority of U.S. soldiers who took part in the invasion of Iraq to die of uranium poisoning, which can take decades to kill.

From a victors perspective, above any major war in history, The Gulf War has taken the severest toll on soldiers.

More than 1,820 tons of radio active nuclear waste uranium were exploded into Iraq alone in the form of armor piercing rounds and bunker busters, representing the worlds worst man made ecological disaster ever. 64 kg of uranium were used in the Hiroshima bomb. The U.S. Iraq Nuclear Holocaust represents far more than fourteen thousand Hiroshima's. The nuclear waste the U.S. has exploded into the Middle East will continue killing for billions of years and can wipe out more than a third of life on earth. Gulf War Veterans who have ingested the uranium will continue to die off over a number of years.

So far more than one million people have been slaughtered in the illegal invasion of Iraqi by the U.S. Birth defects are up 600% in Iraq – the same will apply to U.S. Veterans.

Statistics and evidence published by the government and mainstream media in no way reflect the extreme gravity of the situation.

Those working for the government and media must wake up and take responsibility for immediately reversing this U.S. Holocaust. Understanding who is manipulating all of us is critical for all of us.

For those of you who doubt the veracity of this story, who naively believe it can't be true because if it were true, you would have heard it from the government or from the main stream media, can see the proof yourselves directly from the United States Department of Veteran's Affairs web site -Source:

http://www1.va.gov/rac-gwvi/docs/GWVIS_May2007.pdf

This story is 100% accurate. 100% true. 100% verifiable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 11:05 AM

From the forum on Dennis' campaign website...


It is clear that the impeachment issue is back on the front burner and cooking. Therefore, I am reposting the dual list of top and 2d tier impeachment cosponsor prospects.

Our website has gained over 2,000 members since I last posted this and this seems to be good time for a repost for the benefit of newer members.

This list was supplied to me by David Swanson, Kucinich's former Press Secretary from the 2004 campaign, who now runs the website afterdowningstreet.org. David has been in DC a lot lobbying House members to cosponsor the Cheney impeachment bill and his list gives us a divining rod to zero in on the most important people to contact.

The top tier list is composed of the most likely and most important members to contact. The 2d tier list are those Reps who were cosponsors of the Alberto Gonzalez impeachment bill, a bill that probably led in part to him resigning.

Here are the 6 toll-free numbers you can use to contact any member of the House. MAKE SURE YOU CONTACT YOUR OWN REP FIRST. Tell the operator which Rep you want to talk to,

Ask the staffer who answers that want that Rep to COSPONSOR(that's the key word) House Resolution 333(don't say HR 333, which is a different bill altogether).

I also have the email addresses for John Conyers and Nancy Pelosi.

Call M-F 9 am-6 pm Eastern time.

1-800-828-0498

1-800-426-8073

1-800-614-2803

1-866-340-9281

1-866-338-1015

1-877-851--6437

TOP TIER PROSPECTS( 30-plus names):

John Hall; Maurice Hinchey; Jesse Jackson Jr; Diane Watson; John Lewis; Neil Abercrombie; Lois Capps; Michael Capuano; Danny Davis; Chaka Fattah(male); Michael Honda; Carolyn Maloney; Betty McCollum; Gwen Moore; James Oberstar; John Olver; Charlie Rangel; Steve Rothman; Hilda Solis; Pete Stark; John Tierney; Nydia Velasquez; David Wu; William Delahunt; Bobby Scott; Artur Davis; Mel Watt; Luis Gutierrez; Zoe Lofgren; Robert Wexler; Linda Sanchez; Debbie Wasserman Schulz; Jerrold Nadler;

John Conyers(his email address: John.Conyers@mail.house.gov)

Nancy Pelosi's email addresses: Americanvoices@mail.house.gov

cc her at: sf.nancy@mail.house.gov

2d TIER COSPONSOR PROSPECTS(about 20 names): Jay Inslee; Xavier Becerra; Michael Arcuri; Ben Chandler; Dennis Moore; Bruce Braley; Tom Udall; Earl Blumenauer; Peter DeFazio; Darlene Hooley; Tim Bishop; Barney Frank; Ed Perlmutter; Shelley Berkley; Raul Grijalva; Ed Pastor; Ellen Tauscher; Rush Holt; Jim McGovern; Gary Ackerman

http://action.dennis4president.com/forum/posts/id_1472/


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 09:32 AM

Well, from over here it looks as if Democrats do have a choice, but don't have the guts to put that choice into practice.

That's what it looks like to me, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 02:17 AM

Well, from over here it looks as if Democrats do have a choice, but don't have the guts to put that choice into practice.

Short term power for a few individuals seems to be more important than working for long term aims like a National Health sevice, Minimum wage, and real social justice.

I think you need a revolution along the lines of the Eastern European Countries...Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Oct 07 - 08:59 PM

Bill Maher, last Friday:

"New Rule: If Dennis Kucinich goes not get to be President, his wife still gets to be First Lady."

She's hot!

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 10:47 PM

A Prayer for America...

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0226-09.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: PMB
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 04:46 AM

I though it was about fire engines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 06:35 PM

Yes, that's true. But I'd probably open a thread about those Dennises, too. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: open mike
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 05:40 PM

if the thread title for this included the name Kucinich
it would have been much more obvious what it waw about.
as it is it could just as easily be about
Dennis the Menace

or Dennis Weaver


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 05:31 PM

Get to know Dennis on Fora TV...

http://www.fora.tv/searchresults.php?keywordsearch=kucinich&page=1


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 01:25 PM

On Iraq and Iran, and congress' role in preventing an even bigger catastrophe in the region...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4ScQrcfloI


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 01:24 PM

No problem, Beer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Beer
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 09:01 AM

Thanks CarolC for making this member of Mudcat aware of Dennis Kucinich. I for one don't follow political threads much but you have certainly sparked an interest for me
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Neil D
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 03:27 AM

Having grown up in NE Ohio I've been familiar with his career since he was Boy Mayor of Cleveland. I have to say that I have never voted for him in the primaries for the reason cited by many in this thread, his unelectability. Not that I care about his image, or his small stature, etc., etc. It's just that by the time of the Ohio primaries he was so far back in the polls and delegates collected that it seemed like a wasted vote. Because I really do jibe with him on all the major issues. He is the only candidate who was ALWAYS against this senseless war, as was I. He is the only candidate to advocate truly universal health insurance, as I always have, even back when they called it "socialized" medicine.
   Plus he is more aware of whats really going on around the world than most. Thus, he has a healthy distrust of the military industrial complex and our corporatocracy. I couldn't agree more. He has battled greed, wealth and power on behalf of the common man all his adult life and is considered the ultimate underdog. Well who better to fight for the underdog than the ultimate political underdog.
   Now this coming Democratic primary season stands to be the closest three way race all the way through to the convention with real differences between Obama, Hillary and Edwards and a great deal at stake. But at the end of the day I just might have to vote for someone I actually agree with for a change, just this once. And that would be Dennis Kucinich.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 01:59 AM

Iowa Democratic leaders trying to "rig the game" by excluding Kucinich, Presidential candidate charges

DES MOINES, IA – Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said Iowa Democratic Party leaders and other groups aligned with the entrenched political power structure are "rigging the game in Iowa" by excluding him from two Presidential events this week.

"The whole purpose of the primary and caucus season is to provide voters with opportunities, not to enable a carnival of interest groups to subvert the process," Kucinich said. "When Party leaders and their allies pre-select which candidates they will allow the voters to hear, it's a disservice to the voters. Iowans deserve better than a rigged game."

Congressman Kucinich, (D-OH), was not invited to Sunday's Democratic Steak Fry in Indianola, nor to a Democratic Presidential Forum Thursday in Davenport. Representatives of both events have falsely claimed that Kucinich does not have a sufficiently "active organization" in Iowa.

However, statewide and national polls consistently show Kucinich running ahead of Senators Joe Biden and Christopher Dodd, who were invited to participate. A recent American Research Group poll in Iowa showed Kucinich getting 3% of the vote, ahead of Biden and Dodd, who were at the bottom with 1% each. In the Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll in Iowa two weeks ago, Kucinich and Biden were both at 2% and Dodd was at 1%.

In the most recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, Kucinich was at 3% nationally, Biden was at 2%, and Dodd was below 1%. Another national poll, Rasmussen Reports, showed Kucinich tied with New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson in fourth place, behind Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and former Senator John Edwards. Richardson was also invited to participate in the Iowa events. Kucinich also won a post-debate poll on ABC's website after the last Iowa debate.


"We're doing better than some of the establishment candidates, and we're moving up," Kucinich said. "Instead of spending millions of dollars on high-priced consultants, and slick advertising, we have a highly motivated grassroots organization."

He also questioned the decision by the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP) Iowa Public Television to exclude him from Thursday's Democratic Presidential Forum, which will focus on the issues of health care and financial security.

"The Presidential debate on health care has been largely fake, with phony claims from candidates that they are providing 'universal health care' when, in fact, they are preserving the for-profit system of private insurance companies who make money not providing health care," Kucinich said.

"I am the only Presidential candidate to offer a true universal healthcare plan for America, HR676, Medicare for All.   It is a comprehensive, not-for-profit, national health insurance plan, and everyone is covered," Kucinich said. "No premiums, no deductibles, no co-payments."

"How can AARP and Iowa Public Television claim they are committed to educating and informing the voters of Iowa on the Number One domestic issue in this campaign when they deny a voice to the only candidate who is leading the effort to bring real reform to the health care system by ending the control of for-profit insurance and pharmaceutical companies?   Since the AARP's own insurance sales interests would be affected by HR 676, serious questions must be raised about their decision to deny me a place on the platform," Kucinich said.

In one highly publicized incident in July, unaware that their microphones were still on and the cameras were still rolling, Clinton and Edwards whispered to each other on stage about eliminating some candidates from future debates. "It is most interesting," Kucinich noted, "that a number of post-debate analyses determined that I performed better than all the other candidates (AFL-CIO, ABC, Howard University, Logo Forum). I can well understand why the other candidates do not want competition, but the credibility of the Democratic process is at risk if sponsoring organizations join in the subversion of that process."

"You would think that the Iowa Democratic Party leaders, fighting to preserve the state's status as the first caucus state, would be a little more careful about giving other states the impression that they and they alone have the right to determine who the next President will be." Kucinich said.

http://community.aarp.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=rp-issues&tid=49043


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 02:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ_lHdQ9-E8


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Amos
Date: 07 Sep 07 - 12:00 PM

I'd like to see him elected just to be able to watch Elizabeth.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Sep 07 - 11:53 AM

"How on earth can folk like Bill, Don, and others countenance this state of affairs and still call themselves "democrats""

*sigh*...that 'poll' that seems to indicate Dennis is so damn popular is hardly scientific OR representative. Several others here, including me, had said that some of Dennis' ideals are ok, but that we doubt both his ability to lead and his grasp of reality as to how to implement his ideals. Do we get added into the "for Kucinich" totals?

and this: "...because his policies are at odds with "Corporate America" he is extremely unlikely to gain nomination." is pure distortion of the data. He is unlikely to gain nomination largely because of what I said above....too many people just don't think he can do the job.

I will, however, agree to this:

"Any meaningful political change has always had to fought for by the people making their voices heard in protest."

and Kucinich cab do a lot in THIS arena...just as Jesse Jackson has done in civil rights, or some of the more 'strident' women did in various movements in the 80s. There need to be voices pushing the limits, if for no other reason than for comparison. We seldom elect those with the most extreme viewpoints, but they make (some) of us think.
I read and listen to Kucinich, just as I did with Nader...but....


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Sep 07 - 11:10 AM

Sorry Joe...wasn't logged in.

Thanks for saving my profundity :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 07 - 02:54 AM

I find The American political system amazing, and the people who support it even more amazing.

Carol has given numerous examples of Kucinich's popularity with the American electorate,yet because his policies are at odds with "Corporate America" he is extremely unlikely to gain nomination.

How on earth can folk like Bill, Don, and others countenance this state of affairs and still call themselves "democrats"

Surely it should be clear that the changes required to give Americans a proper health service, a minimum wage and a properly funded social service framework will never be achieved under the present electoral system.

Any meaningful political change has always had to fought for by the people making their voices heard in protest.

Hoping that things will improve by voting in another branch of "the firm" has never worked historically and is destructive.
People who propagate these ideas are doing a disservice to real democracy...Ake
Ake - I almost deleted your message because there was no name in the 'from' box.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 09:58 PM

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/alerts-%11-left/a-report-from-the-middle-east/

A report from the Middle East

While the other leading candidates for the Presidency were spending the Labor Day weekend campaigning at picnics, barbeques, state and county fairs, and parading in front of the cameras, YOUR candidate, Dennis Kucinich, without fanfare, was quietly traveling throughout the troubled Middle East in search of real-world solutions to monumental, global challenges.

The votes we cast next year will have an impact here in the United States and around the world, and the candidate we elect must be equipped to make sound foreign policy decisions, based on first hand experience and in-person communications with other world leaders.

So, while other candidates partied and picnicked and posed, Dennis and Elizabeth traveled to a troubled, dangerous region of the world to meet with heads of state and other political leaders to find ways to solve the problems, mitigate the dangers, and find common ground for diplomatic cooperation - and PEACE.

"Strength through Peace" - the Kucinich philosophy - means direct engagement, diplomacy, adherence to international law and upholding treaties. It was in that spirit that Dennis and Elizabeth decided to visit the Middle East; to see whether political and religious leaders as well as the citizens of the region were open to the kind of positive dialogue recommended in the Baker Hamilton report. The kind of dialogue ignored and dismissed by the White House.

The six day trip started in Syria. In the Golan region, they visited the site of the "Shouting Valley" where Syrians whose families were separated by the occupation have to literally shout to each other across a distance of several hundred yards in order to maintain family and personal contact.

Syria has accepted and settled more than one and a half million refugees from Iraq. Dennis and Elizabeth visited an area on the Syrian-Iraqi border, as well as one neighborhood in Damascus where some of the Iraqis had settled. The Syrian government is providing free education and healthcare. "People are desperate," said Dennis. "They have lost loved ones in the war. They have nothing but the clothes on their back. This is a profound humanitarian gesture on the part of this country because it significantly increases the population of Syria. Now, someone must provide for these refugees."

On the second day, there was an extended meeting with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. They discussed a wide range of other matters including building relations between Syria and the United States, the role of the European community in negotiations between Syria and Israel, hopes for a national unity government in Lebanon, matters affecting Pakistan, and Assad's stated desire for a peace agreement with Israel.

Elizabeth met with the President's British-born wife, with whom she shares an interest in community economic development, education and the welfare of refugees.

One of the most moving parts of their trip was a visit to the holy site of Notre Dame de Saydanaya, a revered Christian mecca where legend says the Virgin Mary appeared 1,500 years ago, fully veiled Muslim women worship together with Christians. "In this time of religious strife, it is important to bear witness to places that show the way of peace," Elizabeth observed.
Peace and harmony in the Axis of Evil?? Would that message be seen on American TV? No.

Next, Dennis and Elizabeth visited Lebanon. There, Dennis met with President Emil Lahoud and Prime Minister Fouad Siniora where further discussions centered on resolving the conflict with Israel and issues surrounding stability in Lebanon.
President Lahoud was specific about the challenge of Shiites having resigned from the government: "Lebanon is governed by a consensus on every issue. To have this we must have the three main religious groups represented equally (Shiites, Sunnis and Maronites). When one group leaves, you cannot have a legal government."

And, in what may be a surprise to many here at home, there is a surprisingly large American population in Lebanon. How large? About 50,000, many of them active in "Democrats Abroad Lebanon", a branch of the Democratic Party's official overseas arm. Those U.S. citizens were thrilled to have a chance to meet Dennis and Elizabeth at a special evening meeting, and they used the event to kick-off their plans for getting Americans in the country to vote in Democrats Abroad's delegate selection process to choose delegates to attend the Democratic National Convention next year in Denver.

Lebanon's leading Christian cleric, Cardinal Sfeir, Patriarch of the Maronite Church met with Dennis and Elizabeth. Cardinal Sfier is no stranger to U.S. politics. He has met with George Bush, Dick Cheney and Condaleeza Rice in Washington. As the leader of a large segment of an ethnically and religious diverse nation, he told the Kuciniches, "We have to appreciate living together with persons who are not of our faith and working with them to achieve a common good."

Dennis and Elizabeth also made plans to return to Qana, the site of heavy fighting during last year's war and to participate in a televised 'Town Hall forum' in downtown Beirut with residents of the city.

Dennis, who will be returning to the U.S. in the next few days, summed up the trip this way: "I believe that through direct communication, there is hope for peace. The world is ready to embrace America again. It is important that America reaches out to show our true values, our compassion and our willingness to work for peace."

When he and Elizabeth return, he will provide a more detailed description of their travels and a more comprehensive assessment of his political and diplomatic findings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 11:12 AM

Dennis crushes the opposition again (non-scientifically)...


*Results as of 9/05/07, 11:00 AM*


Who would you vote for?


Joe Biden
        
(23 Votes, 1%)


Hillary Clinton

(58 Votes, 2%)


Chris Dodd

(4 Votes, 0%)


John Edwards
        
(57 Votes, 2%)


Mike Gravel

(34 Votes, 1%)


Dennis Kucinich

(1688 Votes, 46%)


Barack Obama

(194 Votes, 5%)


Bill Richardson

(18 Votes, 0%)


Sam Brownback

(2 Votes, 0%)


Jim Gilmore

(1 Votes, 0%)


Rudy Giuliani

(42 Votes, 1%)


Mike Huckabee

(7 Votes, 0%)


Duncan Hunter

(1 Votes, 0%)


John McCain

(10 Votes, 0%)


Mitt Romney
        
(32 Votes, 1%)


Tommy Thompson

(10 Votes, 0%)


Ron Paul

(1528 Votes, 41%)


Click 'View Results' to see the results.

http://www.helenair.com/election2008/


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 07 - 01:20 PM

LOL


Was your Presidential Candidate Fooled?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fOt6UGROi8


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 07 - 12:40 PM

http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/dkiranstatement.pdf

http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/spotlight1.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Alice
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 07:35 PM

Good points, Frank.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 07:24 PM

Bill, all we have to go on is what the candidates tell us in their speeches. Hillary has not admitted that she made a mistake on Iraq, as Edwards has, and she also says that circumstances around Iran are "on the table" which we can interpret to be a nuclear or invasion option. "Hillary the Hawk" is appropriate in this instance. Obama has stated later that he might have made a mistake regarding the Occupation. (I will not call it a war.)

It seems to me that Kerry and others knew that a pre-emptive strike into Iraq is illegal regardless of Sadam's reign of terror. I don't buy this "I didn't know" excuse that many Dem johnny-come-latelies are giving on this Occupation. It was wrong to begin with and they can't slide out of it.

Don't tell me please that Biden's "You're the real deal" speech to confirm Gonzales was a naive gesture either. The Dems were just too chicken.

And they keep giving money to Bush to finance this criminal enterprise.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 06:33 PM

"but isn't "mistake" a bit mild when applied to the deaths of over half a million people?"

'mistake' was my word...I was paraphrasing. "Hillary the Hawk" is YOUR loaded phrase to distort what she has said she believes.
She was only one vote among many who took a chance that they were not being lied to about Saddam's plans and power.

I get so damn tired of people labeling & defining politicians (on EITHER side) by 'proving' how they voted on a specific day or time. They tried to pin Kerry to the wall by referring to one vote...and he never did manage to phrase his disclaimer clearly...which worried me more than the vote!

I might not choose Hillary as my first choice, but not because of all these attempts to paint her with the 'hawk' brush!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Alice
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 05:30 PM

I think it is unfortunate that "charisma" like Reagan makes Americans vote, but I'm realistic in recognizing that is true.
I don't like it, but it is reality. Biden would make a great president, but I don't have faith in American voters to see that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 04:49 PM

"she now states that the war was a mistake, knowing what we now know,"

Crime, Disaster,crass stupidity, greed, all could be applied to the Iraq debachle, but isn't "mistake" a bit mild when applied to the deaths of over half a million people?

Sounds like you're trying to get "Hillary the Hawk" off the hook.

If Mrs Clinton had not the political accumen to work out the consequences of a pre-emptive war on Iraq, then I woulds feel most uneasy with her finger on the nuclear button.

Bobert and I knew it was a "mistake long before Mrs Clinton did....why dont you dump Hillary and stick up Ake and Bobert on a joint ticket.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 04:36 PM

Dennis is an intelligent, compassionate and strong person. He, more than any of the other saber-rattling candidates would be best to negotiate with the Middle East.

He has the kind of charisma I think that is important as a president. He doesn't bluster, or babble on about his religious beliefs. The other candidates simply do not have a coherent plan as to what should be done with our foreign policy. Many of them are so pro-Israel that they lack any kind of objectivity about the Mid-east problem.

The media (Fox and the like) are selling the public a bill of goods on Dennis and it's amazing how many even on the so-called Liberal side are drinking this Kool-Aid.

This whole idea of charisma sounds like applicants for American Idol. Don't forget, Ronald Reagan had charisma too and he brought the country down economically and morally.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 04:22 PM

"Mrs Clinton has never publically changed her stance."

Yes, she HAS...she has merely refused to 'apologize' for her 'error'...she now states that the war was a mistake, knowing what we now know, and that if she is elected, she will take steps to get us out of it.

About 'arrogance' and "set her sights on...". I pity ANY candidate trying to avoid statements and positions which will rile up any significant part of the electorate, or give their opposition a clever sound byte to distort & exploit.
   She...(and others)..ARE trying to get elected. Is trying to win because you think you can do a good job' and 'power greedy' the same thing? Is Obama 'power greedy'? He, like Hillary, is also trying to juggle his need for support among groups who are dubious about him with his desire to speak directly on certain topics which are hot buttons for those groups.

I have seen her interviewed and chatting 8-10 times, and was always impressed at her humor, straightforward answers and general clarity. It seemed to me she understood the issues and had a reasonable approach to them...as does Obama, and generally, so does Edwards. I think Joe Biden has even a better understanding of foreign affairs, but he, like Dennis, does not seem to have the charisma to be nominated.....he has run a couple of times, and just doesn't 'connect'.


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