BS: BNP: What would you do?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 04:12 AM

"The Conservatives have retained overall control of Lincolnshire County Council in the local elections - but it was the manner of their victory that looks ominous for Gordon Brown and Labour.

The local authority was one of only a handful of councils to hold its counts after the closure of its polling stations and the results were being studied beyond the East Midlands ahead of the counts later.

And Labour was nearly wiped off the county council's electoral map altogether as the Tories made sweeping gains.

The threat of an early BNP breakthrough never materialised. A small number of independent candidates scored victories.

2009 © Press Association

So, DMR, what drivel to you have to give us now?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: goatfell
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 04:33 AM

This is a thread about the BRITISH NAZI PARTY AND THEIR FRIENDS

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 05:31 AM

Looks like they haven't got that many friends after all ...


Don't let your friend off the hook too soon. They need to show they understand what is wrong with the BNP if they are to be believed.

I would meet up with them but I would damn well have the argument with them and see just how much they have really rchanged their ways.

As long as they uttered one racist point of view I would think up ever more effective ways to blow their argument out of the water.

Ideally I would ultimately do so in such a way that they had to admit, whatever about the evil of BNP views, that they simply aren't based in reality and their is no evidence to support them.

Evidence speaks louder than any argument (I know thats rich coming from me)and if you can provide evidence that proves your BNP friend wrong so that they can't deny that you are right, then that might be the way to wake them up.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 06:06 AM

the BNP do not deserve a vote,they have no more idea of how to make the capitalist system work,than my dog.
they thrive on negativity.but their solutions will not turn economic slump into economic success.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 11:08 AM

It appears the loud-mouthed DMR has crawled back under the stone from which she/he first appeared, no great loss....

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 02:43 PM

so the big question is how many votes did this woman actually get?

does she admit to making a VERY BIG MISTAKE and if so should and could the freindship ever get back to normal?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 02:48 PM

vote BNP, shove it up the rectucms of our elellers and betters

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 02:52 PM

Well, it looks like the Conservative Nina Phillips won the Cepen Park and Redlands ward. So tomorrow doesn't belong to the BNP in Chippenham, with only 114 people voting for the race-hate party.
Funny really - I never thought I'd be glad to see a Tory win an election. Apart, of course, from our own Cllr Mike Gibson, who started this thread, and who has regained his seat in Bedfordshire after working bloody hard for the people there.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 03:02 PM

To be really really serious for a moment. England has recently been swamped with muslim immigrants intent on our destruction or conversion to the Muslim faith. Not only do we let them in we fund them through the social services, when are we, the indigenous race going to be allowed to have our country back? Do we have to be beco9me an endandagered to get our own island back?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 03:07 PM

"Paco Rabanne"
troll alert!!

I have no problem with Muslims
being non white (North American Native) myself I have every sympathy with them, however I have NO sympathy with racist low-lives.

I notice like all the racist trolls who visit this thread, you have a hard time with your spelling "Paco Rabanne"....you,ve got a problem.....

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 03:12 PM

No I haven't. I am a white Anglo Saxon male who is just sick to fu7ck of being told what to think by the clattering classes! Mass immigraint will be the ruin of this country

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 03:27 PM

ah it seems we have another freind. have you actually read this thread? probably not.

can we find out

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 03:33 PM

"Mass immigraint will be the ruin of this country"

Hmmmm...that`s what the locals said when the Anglos-Saxons invaded England, a thousand years ago or so...really you shouldn't fall asleep in history class!!

being racist is a problem...YOU have a problem. enough said.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 03:33 PM

Is this the same Paco Rabanne that posted this two years ago:

I work in the Construction Industry, and we employ a hell of a lot of Poles (at Full English payrates incidentally) because we simply can't get enough English bricklayers/joiners etc.
Every man jack of them is polite, courteous, hard working, and most speak better English than I do.
My new NHS dentist is Polish too.Three of them set up a practise near us thank God!None of my family have had an NHS dentist for years since all the English greedy bastards went private!!
                        Up the poles!
So, what's happened to change the tune, or is it the colour of the skin that's important?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 03:36 PM

i don't know what happened there, my pc decided i had said enough.

what i was going to ask is, is there any way of finding out if this new troll is posting from the same place as dmr?

as for you new friend paco rabanne, if you really don't like how this country is at the moment, feel free to move elsewhere. we would miss the sparkling conversation. i don't have a problem with immigration but i do have a problem with people not TRYING to learn the language i would at least rty if i was in another country.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 04:03 PM

"'Mass immigraint will be the ruin of this country'"


                  It will be the ruin of the world!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 05:18 PM

Paco Rabanne

The people have voted and BNP and there racist attitudes got nowhere (2 out of 2036 councillor in 30 county/unitary councils with 4 to officially declare).

If you don't like living in what from the majority viewpoint is British Society, then fuck off to some deserted island where you can play white supremacists to your hearts content and prove to the rest of the world that your vision for society works.

But two things.....

(1) Don't expect any help form the rest of us.
(2) Who will you blame when you mess up? - you will have to find some minority or other from your master race - the overweight, the too short, the too tall, those who wear glasses?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 05:23 PM

Unless there has been a cookiejacking, Paco Rabanne has been posting here as a member for yonks.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 05:28 PM

OOps! Steve said a naught word. Sorry forum, I'll try not to let it happen again.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 08:41 PM

"I am a white Anglo Saxon male who is just sick to fu7ck of being told what to think by the clattering classes!"

You are welcome to say whatever and think whatever you like.

You are free to think that the sun is a big orange if you like.

But You'd be wrong.

There is no evidence to support your opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 10:50 PM

I guess that's not really an opinion. If he says he's sick, he's probably sick.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:08 AM

""Funny really - I never thought I'd be glad to see a Tory win an election. Apart, of course, from our own Cllr Mike Gibson, who started this thread, and who has regained his seat in Bedfordshire after working bloody hard for the people there.""


Funny, I thought I'd always be glad to see a Tory win, but I can't help feeling that THIS kind of total wipeout isn't good for either the winners or the losers.

When either side becomes that powerful, they tend to govern dictatorially. The will of the people is forgotten when there is NO effective opposition.

The major fault of the last two governments, Tory and New Labour, has been the seemingly inevitable drifting off into a place where they have lost touch with REAL life.

At least the OLD Labour people knew who they represented, although one or two were terminally crooked, or incompetent.

I think I'd want to see a much closer balance than that at the general election.

Still, at least the BNP got their answer; A RESOUNDING NO!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:27 AM

I just love waking up you old hippies! You are so complacement to point of being comatose.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 06:04 AM

"To be really really serious for a moment. England has recently been swamped with muslim immigrants intent on our destruction or conversion to the Muslim faith"

This is the kind of racist and fundamentalist claptrap that leads to race violence.

I have many Muslim friends and colleagues who I would uphold as model citizens. No-one has ever tried to convert me to Islam, an likewise acquaintances who follow other religions who also live and let live.

There will always be fundametalists in all faiths, and to be honest 'Christians' don't have that good a track record - read the history of the Aztecs and Incas, and how 'Christians' treated Black Africans until not to long ago.

So fill me in.... how many thousands of people in UK have been dragged into a mosque and tortured until they convert? Maybe it happened to you???

How many millions in this country have been murdered because they will not convert?

How many non-muslim children in th eUK have been taken away from their families and placed with 'good muslim parents'.

Before making totally unsubstantiated racist statements, look at our own shameful track record of what we have done in the name of Christianity.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 06:21 AM

hear hear steve, when i read of what the church has done in the past it makes my blood run cold. from the witch trials to the rack and burning with hot pokers, basically anything doesn't shed blood, and that was to the british people!! what i have read about them converting other nationalities is even more appalling. the amount of wars over religon is incredible. just for the record PACO RABANNE, WE WERE A COUNTRY OF PAGANS TO START WITH NOT CHRISTIANS, if you want to complain about being converted you should really have started with that. i find that i cannot forgive or forget what the church has done and as so i will not enter a working church, i have no wish to be a hypocrite!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 07:04 AM

I've been all over the media trying to find the size of the BNP vote in the local elections and can fgind hardly anything.

Does anyone have a breakdown of numbers of seats won or lost and where, and how the vote compared with pervious elections?

Many thanks

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Boho
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 07:43 AM

They seem to have three councillors, which is three more than before.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/local-election-results-map-2009

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 09:04 AM

"They seem to have three councillors, which is three more than before."

                And with the large Tory win, they have successfully moved the public dbate to the right.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 09:10 AM

The debate in councils is still to the left of the Tories. Its when the main opposition is to the right of the Tories we need to worry most. But I would also be wary that with the amount of control the Tories have, the closet facist might pull them mor eto the right.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Boho
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 10:27 AM

Anyone know how many candidates they put up, and hence what their success rate was in the local elections?

Here's hoping for an even more pathetic showing for the fascists in the Euros when results out tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 10:48 AM

Thanks fellas. What I was after was some idea of whether their support had increased, or by how much, in the light of the current Westminster farce, the recession and all the other bogies they're trying to capitalise on.

From the look of it, the electorate has overwhelmingly given them the cold shoulder, especially in view of the fact that the other minority parties seem to have done much better. Hopefully, we'll still be able to say that tomorrow night

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 10:55 AM

"When either side becomes that powerful, they tend to govern dictatorially. The will of the people is forgotten when there is NO effective opposition."

Absolutely Don.


The first past the post electoral system is utterly outdated. It is time for PR


Finding it hard to unearth any info on the BNP in local government? ...

Who?

ha ha.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 11:10 AM

"I just love waking up you old hippies! You are so complacement to point of being comatose."

I' m FAR too young to have been a hippie..Paco.(is that a good old Anglo-Saxon name? *LOL*)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 11:38 AM

As of last night 2069 seats had been declared, of which two went to the BNP. In other words, the BNP has gained 0.1 per cent of the seats available.
There are 28 'other' candidates that have been elected so being a random nutters seems to make you 14 times more likely to be successful than if you espouse the BNP.
Now where's that Daily Mail Reading arsehole when you want to crow and rub his pathetic face in it?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 11:49 AM

so this is where the poster Paco Rabanne nicked his name from...*LOL*
Fashion Runway Comeback

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 12:32 PM

"Oh Christ Lizzie. I stopped believing in magic whan I was about 3"

now we know what the problem is...

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: The Barden of England
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:10 PM

I suggest you go here: thread.cfm?threadid=121408&messages=15
as DMR has turned up there. Shows you what a total w**nker he/she is.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 03:36 PM

Yeah John I found the weasel already *LOL*

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 05:10 PM

I would tell GEORGINA SIMMONS/DALE to get stuffed[and thats polite].
I told Fianna Fail in less polite terms to get off my f###### property,and thay are not fascists,just right wing politicians with their noses in the trough,so if I met her face to face,I could not account for my actions.Dick Miles

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 06 Jun 09 - 07:09 PM

Good on yer Dick. It's the old story fortunately- they got big votes (somertimes over 20%) in restricted areas, but no wider effect. The Ordinary British Working Bloke is angry, but not stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 12:47 PM

I appreciate that neither MBSGeorge not Cllr appear to have posted again to the threads they started on this topic. Great restraint.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 02:29 PM

"I appreciate that neither MBSGeorge not Cllr appear to have posted again to the threads they started on this topic. Great restraint."

Your optimism says a lot that is good about you Susan, I don't know that it says much about MBSGeorge ...

... Maybe Cllr is showing restraint, maybe not, to start a conversation and then not participate in it is a curious state of affairs, but I suggest that MBSGeorge's silence is more to do with having no leg to stand on.

She is in an utter state of denial if she thinks she can run for public office on a BNP ticket and then somehow, in a democracy, not be expected to account for her decision.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 02:35 PM

Mudcat may not be the place to deal with accountability. I realize in the UK that practically everything is right next door, but in the US things are so well spread out that many, many people here never will cross paths IRL unless they attend the same festival, and travel far to do it.

Also, if I start a thread titled "The Sky is Blue," for example, that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm looking for a debate on skies, blue things, etc.

My sense (since 2000) is that Mudcat was designed to be a place of sharing, not dividing. (It certainly operates better in that mode, in practical terms, in most of the site's features.)

I think there is much that these two people have in common, which would probably be one reason they were friends to start with. Restraint may be one of those things. I like it.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 02:42 PM

If the BNP and 'Restraint' had anything remotely to do with each other I might agree with you.

But they don't - ever.

Be under no illusions.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 03:40 PM

I thought that 'Cllr' comes from 'Councillor'?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 03:42 PM

No, they call him that because he's a man of cllr.






Blue.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 07:57 PM

Hello Yorkshire and Humberside. You might like to know more about who you voted for.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/Andrew-Brons.php

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 08:15 PM

We have just got another seat ! This is really turning out to be a night to remember. It's simply historic. Democracy is alive and well.



Well done Nick.

Good night and the Best of British to you all.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 08:36 PM

No worries, you are still effectively powerless. No one will do deals with you and noone will listen to you.

You will draw attention to yourselves in Europe as the idiots you are, your voters will realize that you are one dimensional and not actually representing their needs one bit and then you will disappear back into the sewers like flood water after a storm.

You got nothing in London where I am.

You'll never get your way.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 09:35 PM

i have worried about this happeneing for ages and it feels like all my nightmares are coming to life at once.

i know i am not alone in being horrified at how many votes the bnp have got. 2 seats is way more than there should be!!!!!!!

I AM VERY ANGRY that the appathy of the country has let this happen.
DMR you cannot acually gloat, it is only the lack of voters that has allowed the bnp in NOT because they actually earned peoples respect and votes. will fight you all the way my FRIEND and send you back under your' rock once more, we have done it twice now and there will be a third time, so don't get used to daylight.