BS: BNP: What would you do?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 12:08 PM

thankyou, i see a serious session coming on!! i do have the right thing for the job, we have some of those corkscrew things that tie the dogs up!!

now bend over, this won't hurt abit!!

jade x x

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 12:47 PM

LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Dan Plews
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 04:54 AM

Re: From: meself
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 04:34 PM

The latest mysterious "guest". If he's a friend of yours, and you can vouch for his good character, then I withdraw my remark. But I'm suspicious of someone who revives a dead BNP-related thread in order to ridicule a poster critical of the BNP.



How mysterious am I?
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22dan+plews%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
...Wonder what would come up if I googled "meself"...I didn't realise you had to know someone to post...John's post is funny because of what he says, not his spelling, if that's what you're assuming. And even if I were ridiculing an anti-BNP post (which I am not) that would not imply support for the BNP, just that the post itself was ridiculous. And there are plenty of those on this subject I'm sure. OK?
On this subject, and since this is a music forum, I'd welcome comments on my blog "Facebook, BNP and Folk Music" which has some lyrics on this subject too. http://blog.myspace.com/danplews

Yours
Dan Plews

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 05:00 AM

Well the bastards have now put up 2 more fake profiles on facebook, using combination of my name and picture with those of my husband.

My husband is not even on facebook, but he has spoken against the BNP on Mudcat.

We have both reported the fake profiles to facebook.

might be time to infiltrate the BNP with spies.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,dillie the oast ouse opper
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 05:43 AM

Where are they getting these photographs from Virginia ? did you go to the Peter Boat in June ? sessions ranged from rousing to thought provoking to hilarious and mildly obscene. I was in awe of so much talent.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 06:23 AM

Don't think I know you dillie. Have we met?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:47 AM

I was at the Peter Boat Leigh on Sea on both Friday and Saturday evenings. I sang mostly Odetta (American folk). Which one were you?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 12:23 PM

wonder if this person is related to charlotte the oast ouse opper?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 04:14 PM

Dillie is fairly well known. Just don't ask Kev the Clogs for a character reference: they have different views on Broadstairs.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 04:19 PM

It was more of a rhetorical question than anything else

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 02:05 PM

"Dillie is fairly well known."

That said, who then is Dillie? Not like it's a state secret or anything . . . right?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 02:20 PM

I think RB was simply intimating that dillie is NOT a BNP troll, because she is known to him and/or others he knows.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 02:24 PM

Thanks, VT. I withdraw my remarks and request.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 06:03 PM

It may of course be that her politics are right wing - I do not know - but she is real. She and Charlotte are one and the same.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 07 Jul 09 - 12:00 PM

Frankly this whole who's who paranoia thing is deflecting away from the main issue, the enemy, the BNP (mind you this what those thugs want)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 03:05 AM

A list of criminal convictions of BNP people

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 03:54 AM

Interesting list, Richard. Sadly it's a bit out of date - there are more convictions that should be added. And Luke Smith, the BNP councillor who glassed a fellow activist at the party's 'family festival', hanged himself in July last year, the day before he was due in court on charges of assault against a pub landlord

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 04:06 AM

Not a word from BNPGeorge, by the way. I emailed her a week ago (through PM here and via Facebook) with the questions that had been posted on the Mudcat.
A naive part of me hopes she read the questions and thought "My God, is that true? Is this the bunch of fascist thugs I'm promoting?", and is now sitting in a darkened room somewhere morally detoxing.
Given her angry response earlier, however, the more realistic side of me concedes that she's gone to the bad and is probably revelling in her perceived victim status.
From what I heard the singarounds at the 'Red, White & Blue' festival aren't a patch on those at Chippenham or Sidmouth. Tomorrow Belongs to Me and the Horst Wessel Lied get a little tedious after a while...

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 11:59 AM

from Ray Davies's song Over The Edge from The Kinks album Phobia (1993)

"My next door neighbour's totally snapped
Ever since he got laid off
Something inside snapped
His wife says he's gone 'round the twist
Now there's no turning back
All night he waits in the garden shed
For the enemy to attack
A suburban vigilante
Dressed up in a union jack
He's over the edge, oh, over the edge"

sounds familiar.........

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Royston
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 12:29 PM

And Luke Smith, the BNP councillor who glassed a fellow activist at the party's 'family festival', hanged himself...

One down...

A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 12:30 PM

you are seriously disturbed...

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Royston
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 01:42 PM

you are seriously disturbed...

Nah, not really. I could never agree with harming or killing another person, but if certain people fall on their own sword then, well, GOOD! One less Nazi to be looking out for.

I am sure that some fascists would dance on my grave (probably dressed and made-up as B&W Minstrels)

C'est la vie.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Royston
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 01:48 PM

On the subject of convictions held by BNP members, it is interesting to look at some of their overseas convictions.

The founder of the BNP's Hereford chapter is Lambertus Nieuwhof, a South-African white supremacist and leading member of the AWP, a terrorist group in the old SA run by Eugene Terre-Blanche.

He was convicted of planting a 25kg bomb in a primary school in 1992. The bomb failed to go off which is the only reason he got a tragically lenient sentence from an apartheid-era court of 12 months SUSPENDED!

He also runs the BNP website/forum and if you want to ask him about it, you can reach him at 101 Crossways, Peterchurch, Herefordshire, HR2 0TG; or by phone on 01981 550888.

Nieuwhof's "thing" is advancing white-power by sparking race-war. Hence the plan of his, amongst others, to murder children at a school that "threatened" to go multi-racial.

Welcome to the cuddly world of BNP 2009.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Emma B
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 01:53 PM

The EU should sink boats carrying illegal immigrants to prevent them entering Europe, British National Party leader Nick Griffin said during an interview with the BBC

When the interviewer, BBC Correspondent Shirin Wheeler, replied: "I don't think the EU is in the business of murdering people at sea." Griffin replied: "I didn't say anyone should be murdered at sea - I say boats should be sunk, they can throw them a life raft and they can go back to Libya."

Libya has no functioning asylum system and is not a party to the 1951 UN convention relating to the status of refugees; human rights groups have raised concerns about Italy sending migrants back to Libya without first screening them for asylum claims or to discover whether they are sick, injured, unaccompanied children or victims of human trafficking.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 02:59 PM

"The EU should sink boats carrying illegal immigrants to prevent them entering Europe"

Are we honest to God expected to take this bunch of brain deadened weevils seriously? It's not so long back that a Daily Telegraph reporter asked Griffin how he proposed to get rid of 'aliens' who were born in this country. Griffin replied, and bear in mind this polemical genius is Oxford educated and a law graduate, "Oh I don't know. Drop them out of plane somewhere over Africa".

This isn't politics. this is bar room drivel.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 02:59 PM

seriously disturbed is the term I used and the term I meant...got it?..Good!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 03:16 PM

Oh look a BNP supporter, how polite they are being

"This can be done by
explicitly expressing your views about the support for the BNP."

I'd sooner have root canal work done, without the use of anesthesia.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:34 PM

I think most of us have been pretty explicit on here - to the point of having posts deleted for being too explicit in equating the BNP with fascism. It's OK to stand for election on a blatantly racist, neo-nazi ticket, but it's not OK to call someone a fascist, apparently.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:41 PM

Sometimes I get all ill and whoosey and confused watching threads like this, then sensible people like Gervase turn up and I feel all better again! Nosarcasmintended, but Charlies on right now, so I better haste to telly!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:43 PM

Do I feel disturbed about a BNP member committing suicide? Probably somewhat less than I do about a person of more civilised principles doing so.

Do I feel disturbed about the possibility of the BNP having any power?

You bet your sweet bippy I do.

Frankly, Rifleman, there are sme people without whom we are better off. I wouldn't personally kill them, but if they do the job themselves I have little or no objection.

By the way, did you not note the irony? I am almost sure that Royston's quote was from some nazi or other, who said it about a Jew or a person of colour.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Stringsinger
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 04:58 AM

It's important to evaluate on what basis your friendship survives. This can be done by explicitly expressing your views about the support for the BNP. You can do this in such a way as to respect the friendship but not go along with the ideology. If your friendship survives this discussion (which it should be, not a rant) then it is worthwhile. If not,
c'est la vie.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Penny S.
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 05:04 AM

When I looked at this thread, I found what appears to be a link to the BNP website at the bottom. Didn't click on it to check, being a bit chary of establishing any link between my computer and them.

I understand a number of companies are approaching Google to make sure that links to the BNP do not appear on their websites, as they have started to do. (Somewhere in the Guardian yesterday, I think I got this from.)

Thanks Emma for confirming what I could not believe I heard on the BBC news yesterday.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 06:38 AM

Being curious by nature and having a desire to 'know the enemy' I clicked on the BNP link below the thread which Penny referred to

There is some useful stuff there :)

Mobilisation against BNP's Red, White and Blue festival August 15th now underway

Events are heading towards a summer Saturday show-down between the BNP and anti-fascist protestors at the BNP's annual Red, White and Blue rally which falls this year on August 15th near Ripley, Derbyshire.

After the public backlash caused by recently-elected Griffin's televised egg-ing on College Green, we hope the confrontation will not lead to more sympathetic TV coverage for the BNP leader and a huge police costs for hard-pressed Derbyshire taxpayers.

Anti-fascist demonstrators are holding a summit to make their plans. Our advice: don't let this event kick off the sort of summer of violence which would give Griffin the moral high-ground.


The site is titled "There is nothing British about the BNP"

- "Nothing British" is a campaign against the politics of discrimination, segregation and racial supremacy started by Tim Montgomerie and James Bethell.

Tim Montgomerie is a former Conservative Central Office staffer who started ConservativeHome, a British political website, that aims to represent UK grassroots conservative opinion.
James Bethell has stood as a Conservative Party candidate


Neither are members or supporters of the BNP!


"JAMES BETHELL: Why I'm launching an online fightback against the poison of the BNP"

'The argument goes that the BNP rarely make into the headlines on their own steam so if you don't respond to provocation, deprived of the oxygen of publicity they will wither away.
This certainly worked when a few papers and broadcasters held a monopoly on the national and local news media. And many, including those in communities fighting extremism, remain committed to this approach.

But I wonder if the internet has changed all that. The danger is that by not contesting the ground we are giving BNP a walk-over on the critical playing fields of the internet.
That's why we are launching a new online campaign against the BNP (www.NothingBritish.com). It does not attack them on traditional grounds favoured by the left: criminality, economic incompetence and general uselessness.

Instead it cuts straight to the main difference between the BNP and all the other parties in Britain. Their determination to deport, one way or another, the non-indigenous population of the UK.

Called 'there's nothing British about the BNP', there is a campaign video, a website and a petition which we will be promoting in the run-up to the elections.
There will be those who argue that this gives the BNP what they want. A fight.
I disagree'

From the Mail Online 15th May 2009

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 06:47 AM

and from the Conservative site "There's nothing British about the BNP" - the blue link you may see below the thread

a list of BNP members with criminal connections

giving the name, what they were convicted of and the person's position in the BNP

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 06:55 AM

I am rather surprised to find the Daily Mail and the Conservatives doing something useful to fight the BNP. Maybe it is just spin.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 08:12 AM

"Sink their boats, throw them a liferaft and send them bacck to Libya ..."

Brace yourselves before looking here

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 03:19 PM

"the Daily Mail and the Conservatives doing something useful to fight the BNP. Maybe it is just spin."

Nah....The Conservatives and The Daily Mail simply don't want any competition

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Royston
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 02:57 AM

'The argument goes that the BNP rarely make into the headlines on their own steam so if you don't respond to provocation, deprived of the oxygen of publicity they will wither away.

That is a quote from Emma's post, it is attributed to one of the founders of Nothing British", an anti-BNP campaign.

The last bit reminded me of a quote by the late, great comedienne, Linda Smith, on 'The News Quiz". On one edition, another panellist used that "deprive them the oxygen of publicity" line and she responded with "I would rather deprive them the oxygen of OXYGEN!"

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 03:13 AM

"I think most of us have been pretty explicit on here - to the point of having posts deleted for being too explicit in equating the BNP with fascism. It's OK to stand for election on a blatantly racist, neo-nazi ticket, but it's not OK to call someone a fascist, apparently."

Fuck
the
BNP
fascist
bastards.

I
mean
that
in
the
nicest
possible
way.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 03:14 AM

And
if
that's
deleted
I'll
repost
it.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 04:38 AM

It isn't an insult ...

... they are a neo-nazi paty and their politics are fascist.

They wish to etnically cleanse the UK (whatever that means) and their representatives in government are pushing for a european border control that would sink boats containing refugees bound for european shores.

How is it inaccurate to describe them as fascist?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 11:42 AM

The cold harsh reality is that the BNP are NOT, repeat NOT going away anytime soon, to believe otherwise for whatever reason is simply to, as the say goes, dream on baby, dream on.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 05:15 PM

When I read good people with good intentions using neo-Nazi language to argue against neo-Nazis I feel they have not understood that the fight against fascism is also a fight against dehumanising language.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 05:46 PM

Peace (Bruce Murdoch) says:

I think most of us have been pretty explicit on here - to the point of having posts deleted for being too explicit in equating the BNP with fascism.

I take charges like that very seriously, Bruce. I looked through all of the deleted messages in this 693-message thread, and I find that they all were deleted under policies clearly stated in the FAQ - almost all of them were anonymous or deceptively identified. Yes, several of your messages were deleted - because you posted them under a false identity.
Tell the truth, Bruce - or else nobody will believe anything you have to say.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: greensue
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 06:10 PM

I was supprised to hear that most people have had messages removed. I have never had any message removed from any website. I am however supprised (also) that folkies are so vehement at times over politics when most of us dont seem to ever discuss politics when at festivals, clubsetc.
In answer to the title of the thread, I wouldn't vote for them. What more is there to say. No dont answer that I think I have spent the last hour reading it.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Russ Meyer
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 06:22 PM

Oh dear Bruce, so you have been posting under a false identity !

Well spotted Joe.

I think the sooner you close this thread the better, it has ran too long.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 06:24 PM

Only one thing to say to you Russ. SuperVixens.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 06:59 PM

Touché, er....Russ.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 07:42 PM

Sometimes if you're not logged in, the post doesn't identify who posted it and it just shows up as "Guest." I've had those deleted. I've wondered if the monitor thought I was trying to get in under the radar screen, or if the message was deleted simply because it was anonymous.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 08:02 PM

Bruce? What the hell's Bruce got to do with the price of fish?
That wasn't Bruce saying that, it was me.
I had a message deleted in which I said BNP George was a fascist.