BS: Legal action over BNP membership

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 12:11 PM

Thank you Emma, that saved a lot of work for me!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 11:40 AM

So France hands the BNP more ammunition, wonderful!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 10:36 AM

Donna Covey, chief executive of the Refugee Council is reported as saying
"Asylum seekers are people fleeing war zones and persecution. I think it's really important that people understand the difference between asylum seekers and economic migrants.
Some of the people in Calais are asylum seekers."

However many more are economic migrants and as such 'illegal' immigrants almost certainly victims of human people trafficking.

French police can detain an illegal immigrant only temporarily without a judicial order of expulsion to the country of origin.
But proving a country of origin is often impossible since migrants typically tear up their identity papers upon arrival in Europe.

What is more disturbing however is the treatment that this opertion has received from the right wing press which seems detirmined to play into the hands of the Islamophobia generated by organizatiuons like the BNP

Damian Thompson Blogs Editor of the Telegraph Media Group today commeneted
"How interesting that French police waited until the end of Ramadan before forcibly dismantling the Calais "jungle". That tells us something we really need to remember about a huge proportion of the illegal immigrants seeking to enter Britain: that they are pious Muslims."

Other newspapers however have reported that the reason the majority of these people, whether asylum seekers or economic migrants, wish so desperately to enter Britain is that because "they have family links with the UK, or the ability to integrate thanks to the communities of their compatriots"

For genuine asylum seekers -

Under the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 asylum seekers and their dependants are NOT permitted to access the mainstream system of welfare benefits.

Asylum seekers and their dependants who need support to avoid destitution are given it by the UK Border Agency from the time they arrive in the UK until their claim is fully determined.
Support takes the form of subsistence, accommodation or both.
From 6 July 2009, levels of subsistence support will be per week £35.13 for a single asylum seeker aged 18 to 24 or £42.16 for a single asylum seeker aged over 25; £69.57 for an asylum seeker accompanied by a spouse or partner;

However -
On 5 November 2008 an article was published in The Independent, headed Britain closes door on 80,000 asylum-seekers. It begins:

Almost 80,000 asylum seekers from countries described by the Foreign Office as dangerous and unstable have been refused refuge in Britain in the past five years.

The Government was last night accused of double standards for registering alarm about 21 major countries of concern at the same time as refusing sanctuary to 77,000 of their citizens who fled persecution and bloodshed.
Refugees from turbulent nations such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Sudan are being turned down at the rate of nearly 40 a day.

According to the Independent Asylum Commission within the Home Office there is a culture of disbelief against asylum seekers

The Home Office Statistical Bulletin for 2007, published in August 2008 shows that of the 14,935 asylum appeals determined during the year, 23% were allowed and 72% dismissed.

Prejudice and ignorance skew public view of asylum-seekers

but, why stem the rising tide of xenophobia in the UK with a few facts?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 09:35 AM

What is your explanation for the que at Calais then?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 09:16 AM

Precisely. The migrants are in France because they would like to come to England but cannot. They can get to France. Who has the lax regulation?

Incidentally, I am by no means clear that the UK benefit system is more generous (comparative to local standards) to illegal immigrants and asylum seekers whose status is undetermined than France and Germany. I know it has the reputation, but I do not know that those are the facts. The courts have frequently held that Government attempts to restrict benefits for such arrivers are illegal - not as a matter of pure English Law, but as a matter of European law and European human rights Law.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 07:36 AM

Yes Richard, but the immigrants also have choice and they choose not to request asylum in France or any of the other countries they have passed through.
They prefer to suffer the misery of the camp and risk their lives jumping lorries for the chance to claim it in England, because of the far more generous welcome that awaits those who make it.
The mayor's complaint is that our lax regulations and generous benefits make us more attractive than any other country.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 04:05 AM

Absolutely typical! She wants to avoid complying with her legal obligations under European law, and to achieve that she wants another country to refuse to comply with its own obligations under that law - all because she is a nimby.

Just like the UK, France has a choice (tramelled in some respects by law): admit (on asylum grounds or others) or deport.

These are not proper grounds for supporting BNP immigration policies.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Sep 09 - 03:23 AM

Jeddy, here is the reason they are so determined to leave France for England, according to the Mayor of Calais.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/5187032/Calais-mayor-blames-Britain-for-immigration-problems.html

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 21 Sep 09 - 03:48 PM

Thanks Virgina I cut and pasted that into a small website I'm contructing on this issue.

We might have won a round in this fight, but the war is far from over

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 21 Sep 09 - 03:38 PM

says the BNP official FB page was taken down for Abuse of Terms and Conditions. Not only because of the racial hatred bit but because they were trying to fund raise without going through the FB business protocol.

>>>snip

The BNP Application is an advert (or service) that that made many appearances on that Group. The FB rules are unkind to using FB group as a marketing and money making tool, UNLESS you use legitimate advertising, under a formal structural agreement with FB. It appears Griffin and Web used their Application to short cut on advertising fees or making an agreement with FB. And the result…? The BNP group closed by FB.

end snip<<<

Brilliant!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 21 Sep 09 - 02:37 PM

i am slightly worried about the french government closing 'the jungle' tomorrow.

i understand that people want to get away from their own countries and i understand that those poeple would like to go to a country where they can speak the language. BUT i am confused!!!

if they have been offered to apply for asylum in france why would they not want to do so, to keep trying to come here?

of all the time they have been in france, why have not been given french lessons?

i understand closing it down as it is a shithole, but there must be, as in britain, large buildings that would be good for the purpose of holding these poor people until they have been either approved or can go and apply to their country of choice.

letting these unfortunates live like that is inhumane, reducing them to feeling less human.

i really feel for them, but at the same time think that if life was so bad in their home countries why wouldn't you grab the oppotunity(?) to be apply for assylum where ever was safe?

i am seriously confused and don't want to judge these people wthout knowing more about the situation. although it seems to me they are sticking two fingers up at the french and saying that their country isn't good enough.
( although i can't say i blame them, i am an english stereotype in that respect. don't like the french on a national level, but on a personal level, and i have only met one french person and she was sound)

take care all

jade x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 21 Sep 09 - 11:14 AM

SPB-Cooperator, your abuse report may have been the one that tipped the scales, you just never know, I'd love to see the number of abuse reports facebook actually got. I'm now waiting to see the spin our dear friend puts on all this, ie who it's going to blame for the taking down of the spaces on facebook

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Sep 09 - 04:18 AM

MySpace is such a pain to use and search. I did have a look around but failed to find the usual suspects there. Likewise YouTube: there used to be some BNP comments on videos of me there but they seem to have gone. If anyone sees gobs of BNP slime on either let me know by PM or email please.

I know there was a bunch of them in Bebo, but I have not had a spare hour or two to put on nose-clothespeg and rubber gloves to go looking for the assemblage. I have the paper addresses for Bebo but have not found a useful email link or fax number for reporting abuse that is contrary to their terms of use If anyone finds them please let me know, again by PM or email.

I have found rancid festering pools on Digg before. Has anyone successful experiences of take-down demands with Digg? If so please PM or email me.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 21 Sep 09 - 12:49 AM

I wonder if my little abuse report made a difference?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 08:44 PM

The old "if I can't control it no one will" I still think he'll do his hit and runs here, and possibly at Twitter, we'll see.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 08:28 PM

Not enough exposure here, and his zombies have been getting beaten up at every turn.

He'll try Myspace, Bebo, etc. and we'll just get him kicked out of those as well. The minute one of his moronic supporters posts the usual semi literate diatribe against an ethnic minority, he's on the outside looking in again, and he can't stop 'em. They haven't the brains to obey orders and shut up.

That's why Sam got the plug pulled.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 07:27 PM

If he's stopped his nonsense there, I suspect he my try again here.......

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 07:24 PM

The link I screwed up above: -

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=BNP&init=quick#/topic.php?uid=2251402286&topic=11645

I have put some more interesting things over on the "harrassment" thread.

Who knows, maybe our constant pinging of the Fakebook abuse team actually helped.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 07:18 PM

Looks like our stoopid friend has been told by the FHG to stop provoking people, as it interferes with the new policy of hiding his scum beneath a veneer of civilisation.

Sammy may well be getting shat on from both sides.

GOOD!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 07:08 PM

You ever tried washing 'em?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 07:06 PM

He maybe uses mink gloves?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 07:04 PM

You need two to copy and paste.
Or one hand on the mouse, but that usually requires duct tape.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 07:00 PM

his a one something typist, maybe *LOL*

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 06:58 PM

Anyone here suppose he might be a one-'finger' typist?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 06:57 PM

Dammit, I just fell over.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 06:50 PM

rumour has it that one day he got beaten up by his left hand for being unfaithful with his right

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 06:32 PM

He changes hands so he can dream it's someone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 06:01 PM

a friend a patron of the working girl, eh? Any closer than that I am not going *LOL*

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 05:41 PM

i couldn't see leah on his freind list but he is certainly into young skinny lasses, i think gervase is right. his bad spelling might be coz he is typing with the wrong hand....

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Gervase
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 05:20 PM

Looks like that Gary Miler is a fan of, er, 'professional ladies'. D'you think he's the one-handed surfer?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 03:26 PM

Richard, either that or a next step in their campaign. I'm not sure about fakebook, can some on make their profiles only visible to certain people?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 03:23 PM

Ah - found one of Leah's friends

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=Gary+Miler&init=quick#/phoobear57?ref=search&sid=100000192753156.1172078252..1

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 03:20 PM

Sam's profile is no longer accessible on fakebook. Likewise a number of others. Have they gone or are they back under a rock? Check the fake mudcat and note that it allegedly had 11 members but only 4 now show their faces: the other 7 have hidden.

Could this be the reason?

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2251402286&ref=search&sid=100000192753156.2312025027..1#/topic.php?uid=2251402286&topic=11

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 03:00 PM

John,
as I've stated this 'cease fire' only existed in the mind of the creature calling itself Sam, no one 'agreed' to anything of the sort, it's an attempt at divide and conquer, or to put words into the mouths of some people, an attempted exercise in sowing seeds of disharmony and doubt. An old trick used by the fascists and other right wing organisations since time immemorial. I saw it fifty years ago in the area of Britain I come from. The hatred of those of different colour, of different racial backgrounds, the hatred of those who are 'different' (the physiclly and mentally handicapped., and, of course, those who openly oppose the fascists and their supporters. To do nothing is to allow this sort to gain power, to gain a foot hold in our society, to be given the chance to implement their vile policies. Don't let them have that chance, and before the creature, Sam, whines about a legitimate party, elected etc,etc.. Adolf Hitlar was democratically elected, but in the end he was gotten rid of (being the coward he was, like all fascists, he committed suicide rather than face up to what he had done).

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: The Barden of England
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 02:47 PM

Ceasefire, no way!!!
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 01:49 PM

Duchesses? I seriously doubt it.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 12:47 PM

Legitimate? The BNP? They were begat on duchesses by head waiters. Incidentally, that type of tactic was developed by Nixon with his 'silent majority' campaign. "If you say nothing then you actually support me." Fuck off, Sam.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 11:59 AM

Guest Sam

A few others saw sense and stopped their replay of insults towards a legitimate party.

I do hope you don't mean to insinuate that because some (like me) have not added any recent posts against your Brigade of Nitwit Politics (and I am being kind with the appellation) that we have come over to the dark side. Far from it.

I am bored with your childish vindictive games. I have better things to do with my time than to get embroiled in extended arguments with a perverted mind and near idiot.

Maybe you cannot do anything about your conscience, but you can attend to your writing skills. As well as the direct plagiarism I advise you to avoid redundancies in your writing.
"requisite requirement" and "true fact"

BNP? Legitimate? Don't make me laugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 11:56 AM

Ah - most of the usual suspects have vanished - but it is very interesting that the fake mudcat has not and 5 out of 12 fans are visible - but the rest hidden. Who could they possibly be? Some of the old posts of the fakes are still available.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 11:51 AM

i haven't buggered off, i am just getting more picky as to whom i converse with.

i have no wish for a ceasefire, just as i have no wish to trade insults.

don't forget in our countries bid for glory, the christanisation(?) of black africans or of the suffering in the mines and the unfair working conditions.

let is also not forget that britain was one of the major countries fighting again aparthied.

this country has done some terrible things and so many things i can be proud of too.
all in all i love my country and its rich history.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 11:23 AM

What is this alleged ceasefire? Who negotiated it with whom, and which of them had proper authority to bind any others to it?

If there is any such thing, why are the usual suspects still hosting and posting defamatory pictures and messages directed against those who oppose the BNP?

Incidentally, whether there is necessarily a correlation between the ability to write correct English and intelligence, except in cases of specific disability the ability only to write gibberish has a definite correlation with lack of intelligence.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 08:59 AM

600

DT

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 08:59 AM

""Of course the whole eugenics idea is ironic in the case of the BNP, given the low intelligence and general poor quality of their rank and file. As a farmer, they're not exactly what I'd choose to boost the flock.""

Like those former innovators, the Third Reich, they have plans for dealing with those who do not fit the required eugenic standard, plans from which they themselves will be exempted.

After all, dear Adolf wasn't what you would call the ideal perfect Blue Eyed Blonde Aryan, was he.

That's the get out clause for the FHG (Fat Horrible Git) and his cohorts.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 08:52 AM

""Don T.

I had hoped you would honour the ceasefire agreement and allow everyone their viewpoint without receiving crap. It would appear you have been engaged in activities that could jeopardize this agreement.

To be fair, I do believe that nasty comments against the BNP have apparently decreased in recent days, a trend that we hope will continue.

There also have been credible reports from friends that the "band of three" have been making negative comments on other sites, this could undermine the trust needed to move from a cessation of hostilities to a lasting peace among us in which everyone's views are respected and understood.

On the other hand, if your friends choose the path of peace, ends its reliance on verbal attacks, accepts that silencing the BNP is both unattainable and unnecessary, and honours democratic and ones right to a viewpoint we will respond positively.

We urge you and Richard to take advantage of the ceasefire accord, and talk to Bruce to negotiate a permanent settlement of this exchange.""


I read this garbage over an hour ago, and I've just stopped laughing.

Who do you think you are Sam, fucking Neville Chamberlain? Because if you do, I've bad news for you. You are on the wrong side.

He was the clown who tried to appease the LAST lot of Nazi thugs who thought they had a right to decide how the world would be run, and WHO would be permitted to live in it.

Tell me, you semi-illiterate twerp, when exactly do you consider that I made any reference to a "peace treaty" with your noxious organisation. If you ever find yourself face to face with me in a court of law, you cretin, I'll show you exactly what I think of the idea of peace with the BNP.

Now, do the world a huge favour, and crawl back under your stone. You are not equipped to talk to the grown-ups.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 06:16 AM

Lox, there are no historic BNP triumphs, that's just the point. But like every other fascist movement in history they fester on a distorted, nostalgic and highly inaccurate melange of so called past glories. In the BNP's case that means the British empire. Anyone who still thinks there was anything glorious about the British empire is sorely in need of an operation to remove the rose tinted spectacles.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 05:53 AM

Fred,

None of the above, good or bad, has anything to do with the BNP.

I'm looking forward to the list of historic BNP triumphs ...

... I'm also looking forward to the day I get to jam with Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie ...

... can't wait!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 05:29 AM

Here's a few more great empowering moments in British history.
The Jarrow Crusade
The International Brigade
The Kinder Scout trespass
The Spithead mutiny
The Burston School strike
The WW1 unofficial Christmas truce
The peasant's revolt
The General Strike.

But perhaps Sam would prefer to remember the Cawnpore massacre, the Amritsa massacre, the massacre of the Scots after Culloden, the brutal suppression of the 1798 rebellion, the Irish potato famine, the Black Acts, the Transportation Acts, the Enclosure Acts, the destruction of the monasteries, the massacres of Wexford and Drogheda, the Peterloo massacre, The Durham lockout, the slave trade, the employment of children in the mills, mines and factories of the industrial revoluton, the broken, maimed and crippled survivors of Waterloo, the means test riots, the Highland clearances.

That's some empowering history you've got there Sam.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Gervase
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 04:02 AM

Let's choose some good examples for 'Sam' to ponder - Mary Seacole, the Battle of Cable Street, the founding of the NHS, the Tolpuddle Martyrs, the Polish pilots in the Battle of Britain (nice to see the BNP's own goal in having a picture of a Polish Spitfire in its campaign material)...
No English degree required, 'Sam'. However, an ability to remove your head from your rectum and look at the real world does help.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 12:55 AM

It is necessary to support the fight against anti BNP types, of which one could find no more pungent exemplar than the few immediate posts above from posters I refer to as "Latter-day Saints" who have only found their voice over the past few days.. One has to look past the monkey to the organ grinder for answers, so understand if I care to ignore you. - Sam


"It feels necessary to support the fight against the smelly little orthodoxies, of which one could find no more pungent exemplar than the diminutive Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But I suppose one should look past the monkey to the organ grinder, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei." - Richard T Kelly here.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 11:50 PM

It is necessary to support the fight against anti BNP types, of which one could find no more pungent exemplar than the few immediate posts above from posters I refer to as "Latter-day Saints" who have only found their voice over the past few days.. One has to look past the monkey to the organ grinder for answers, so understand if I care to ignore you.

Of course, the Monkey may indeed feel they have something to contribute, but you are not people known to me.

A few of you are you preoccupied with the BNP. A few others saw sense and stopped their replay of insults towards a legitimate party. It's hard to understand why you do it. Instead of opening up your mind to what the BNP can do for you Instead you continue to cue up silly boring rants, like a VCR running the same scene over and over.


I honestly think you should be doing just the opposite. Instead of repeating this tripe, you should be recalling our positive, empowering moments in British history.


Also, I did not know it was a requisite requirement to have a degree in English for posting. Your clear divisiveness will not stop me promoting the true facts about the BNP. We have as much time as you do and enough desire also.