BS: Legal action over BNP membership

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 08:33 PM

And his last paragraph is from here.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 08:10 PM

you should be recalling our positive, empowering moments in British history

Well, that kind of leaves the rest of the evening free - anyone for a spot of dogging?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 07:25 PM

The British Nazi Party is still trying to recruit people on Mudcat. You folks sure do have shit for brains.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 07:24 PM

"Instead of repeating this tripe, you should be recalling our positive, empowering moments in British history."


Great Idea Sam.


You get the Ball rolling ...


... And now Sam will list the BNP's history of positive empowering moments in British History ...

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 06:32 PM

600

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 06:32 PM

Me too.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 06:18 PM

I would be thoroughly confused if odd people in pubs walked up to me and asked what's wrong in being a pervert....

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 06:11 PM

Well, I'm damned if I can....

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 06:01 PM

I can quite understand that.....

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 05:58 PM

That's why I rarely go in pubs; they just confuse me.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 05:51 PM

Some complete stranger walks up to you at the pub and asked you to canvass Catters on what's wrong in being a pervet....

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 05:46 PM

Er.. just a bloke in the pub..

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 05:44 PM

On behalf of a friend? But of course; who else would you be asking for? *LOL*

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 05:43 PM

And what's wrong with being a pervert anyway, might I ask?
On behalf of a friend, obviously.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 05:31 PM

Gervas I saw that disgusting outburst...if we could find out who this SOB is a date in court wouldn't be unheard of, but whoever it is hides behind the guest name simply because they are a coward, probably run a mile if confronted in the street by any of us Catters.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Gervase
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 05:20 PM

This from the same 'Sam' who has accused Mudcatters who have spoken out against the BNP of 'kiddyfiddling', being 'pervs' and interested in 'dogging'.
it does suggest that the sad bloke behind all this is no stranger to one-handed surfing and is a little too fond of the grubbier side of life. Typical BNP, really.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 04:58 PM

I can hear young Sam or whatever its name is moaning about how civil liberies will infringed on if the collection of ips at Mudcat ever happened. This from someone who would deny the civil rights of a whole swath of people, ehnics, non whites, the disabled, the unemployed, anyone who disagrees with BNP policy or Sam or whatever its name is point of view

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 04:48 PM

Indeed, and the i.p. addresses of non-member editors are there for all to see. Nothing illegal about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 04:41 PM

Smokey,
I know with Wikipedia, if you edit an entry without logging in as a member your IP is collected

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 04:38 PM

If 'Guest' posters were clearly warned in advance that by posting they were agreeing to the possibility that their i.p. address might be displayed with their post, they might be a little more reticent in their rantings.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Royston
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 03:59 PM

On the other hand, if your friends choose the path of peace, ends its reliance on verbal attacks, accepts that silencing the BNP is both unattainable and unnecessary, and honours democratic and ones right to a viewpoint we will respond positively.

Sam, you appear to true to the BNP stereotype whereby the only rights to a viewpoint, and the only viewpoints with rights to be heard, are yours.

By your own assertion, all people are entitled to hold a view that sees the BNP as a vile bunch of of racist, fascists or feckless malcontents; as you are equally entitled to hold and express a contrary view.

I haven't seen anyone trying to silence your views; in fact I haven't really seen you propose a view. Rather you just keep bullying people into not criticising "der Fuhrer" and "der Reich" which just proves all the accusations levelled against the BNP and many of its members.

Interesting that in your post you have explicitly admitted to being involved in the cyber harrassment and bullying against some people here. That would appear to provide actionable grounds against you and grounds which, according to recent UK high court determinations, would require Mudcat.org to release your IP details regardless of Mudcat's own jurisdiction. Well done.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 03:54 PM

I've heard all the insults before, and from better people than you could ever hope to be, Sam or what ever your real name is . As I said, there is no truce, no ceasefire, nothing, except the extermination of the festering sore called the BNP. If you have a problem with that Sam, ot whatever your real name is, my suggestion is that you do something about it. I've faced off on this issue (racism, fascism) and other issues against better people, articulate people, something you'll never be. You dont like people who support anti-racism and ant-fascism and I don't like racists and fascists. Thus it shall ever be enemy mine. We will win, have no dount about that. Enjoy your day in the sun while you are able.........

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 02:31 PM

you aren't getting the response you wanted

Or are you?
Either way, I can't see the BNP giving you any medals..

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 02:22 PM

Apparently this so-called "ceasefire" existed only in what Guest Sam and his or her cronies call theur minds (I use the term loosely). This ceasefire will exist in reality, only when the BNP ceases to exist, until then, it's business as usual

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Gervase
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 05:48 AM

Of course the whole eugenics idea is ironic in the case of the BNP, given the low intelligence and general poor quality of their rank and file. As a farmer, they're not exactly what I'd choose to boost the flock.
There also have been credible reports from friends that the "band of three" have been making negative comments on other sites, this could undermine the trust needed to move from a cessation of hostilities to a lasting peace among us in which everyone's views are respected and understood.

On the other hand, if your friends choose the path of peace, ends its reliance on verbal attacks, accepts that silencing the BNP is both unattainable and unnecessary, and honours democratic and ones right to a viewpoint we will respond positively.
Sanctimonious, pompous bollocks, the hypocrisy of which beggars belief when put alongside the filth that 'Sam Hudson", the ludicrous 'Leah' and their cronies in the BNP have been publishing.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Georgina Boyes
Date: 19 Sep 09 - 05:18 AM

In exchange for being allowed to leave Austria in 1938, Sigmund Freud was required to sign a document showing that he had been treated well by the incoming Nazis - he signed adding "I can most highly recommend the Gestapo to everyone."

His sarcasm was, apparently, lost on the assembled thugs at the time and it seems their followers here are still demanding that we ignore their poisoned theories and only say nice things about them. It wasn't acceptable then and it isn't acceptable now.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 07:34 PM

On the other hand, if your friends choose the path of peace, ends its reliance on verbal attacks, accepts that silencing the BNP is both unattainable and unnecessary, and honours democratic and ones right to a viewpoint we will respond positively.

Or in other words, you're not actually anything to do with the BNP, and now you're bored because you aren't getting the response you wanted.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 07:30 PM

YES, Don T. This is the thing I've tried to highlight with working class acquaintances, who support the BNP purely because they believe that we should restrict immigration.

Restricting immmigration is but one thing, as all developed countries have restrictions on immigration. But these people simply don't realise the vast amount of other associated legislation the BNP propose to introduce.

In fact I get totally sick of these threads sometimes. I *know* the people the BNP target. They're NOT all die hard racists, many of them are simply people who are afraid their country is turning to shit and see no other option because no other fucker is listening to them. They THINK (because of years of propaganda) it's because 'foreign' people come here.

They aren't all skins and they aren't all illiterate Sam & chums, they're ordinary working class people who feel scared. THIS is what frightens ME! It would be wise for politicians and political commentators - and indeed the educated working classes who know better, to start genuinely heeding the anxieties of the less well educated masses, or start to suffer mass voting for the far-right.

If that happens, we're all totally and utterly fucked. It could happen like a domino effect. There are more than enough disaffected ordinary people out there, to make it happen in but a few short years...

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 07:18 PM

Don T.

I had hoped you would honour the ceasefire agreement and allow everyone their viewpoint without receiving crap. It would appear you have been engaged in activities that could jeopardize this agreement.

To be fair, I do believe that nasty comments against the BNP have apparently decreased in recent days, a trend that we hope will continue.

There also have been credible reports from friends that the "band of three" have been making negative comments on other sites, this could undermine the trust needed to move from a cessation of hostilities to a lasting peace among us in which everyone's views are respected and understood.

On the other hand, if your friends choose the path of peace, ends its reliance on verbal attacks, accepts that silencing the BNP is both unattainable and unnecessary, and honours democratic and ones right to a viewpoint we will respond positively.

We urge you and Richard to take advantage of the ceasefire accord, and talk to Bruce to negotiate a permanent settlement of this exchange.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 07:18 PM

and everyone.... idf you ever get the chance visit Auswitz and see the display case of artificial limbs of people that were exterminated because of their disability.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 07:13 PM

I indirectly work with people with learning disability, and the last post sums up why I will oppose BNP and other fascist groups to my last breath.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 06:56 PM

I don't normally do the cut'n paste thing, but I thought this was worth airing for those who still believe the BNP are simply another political party. The last couple of paragraphs give a particularly telling insight into their mindset.

""'BNP spells danger for disabled people'
Sunil Peck

The BNP's success in European elections will be disastrous for disabled people, activists have warned.
BNP leader Nick Griffin was elected to represent the North West region while Andrew Brons won the seat for Yorkshire and Humber in the June 4 elections to the European Parliament.
Activist and campaigner Richard Rieser branded the BNP a fascist party and said that its electoral success was a result of large numbers of disillusioned Labour supporters failing to vote.
He said that disabled people in areas represented by the BNP would be afraid because fascists wanted to kill disabled people.
"The fascist record on dealing with disabled people is to kill us. They're Holocaust deniers but I haven't noticed them denying that disabled people were killed en masse in Germany."
Julie Newman, Acting Chair of the UK's Disabled People's Council, said she could only think that a party denying the Holocaust would deny disabled people the right to exist too.
She said: "I think there's a eugenics agenda because they want to get rid of anybody who taints the bloodline. I think that anybody who's different from the BNP's purist agenda is going to have a difficult time."
Alice Maynard, Chair of disability charity Scope, said that black and ethnic-minority disabled people already endured considerable discrimination which she doubted would
improve with the election of BNP politicians.
"One feels that the BNP's approach to race is the negative bit, but I don't think that disability is ever far behind. There are serious issues around the genetic agenda."
All three campaigners said that they hoped the success of the BNP would serve as a rallying call to disabled people to ally with anti-fascist and anti-racist organisations.
In May, the Observer newspaper reported that Jeffrey Marshall, senior organiser for the BNP's London European election campaign, had posted a message on an internet forum in which he commented on the death of David Cameron's disabled son Ivan.
According to the Observer, Mr Marshall said: "We live in a country today which is unhealthily dominated by an excess of sentimentality towards the weak and unproductive. No good will come of it."
The Observer article said that later, in response to comments made by others on the site, Marshall is alleged to have written: "There is not a great deal of point in keeping these people alive after all."
The Observer added that Mr Marshall said the comments were private and some had been paraphrased and taken out of context. The paper said that he had admitted making the former comment but said he could not recall making the latter one.""


Chilling isn't it?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 06:46 PM

""But Don,

According to reports from Richard, Sam and Emma are wiping the floor with us ...

... tsk ...

... are you acting the goat again?""

NO MATE! The goat's dormant. Where d'ye think they nicked that braincell from?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 04:45 PM

A good start in the FaF Blog from Jon Boden...thank goodness at least one person is talking sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 04:22 PM

thanks for the links owen.
i thought we wold get an email saying it was up and running? oh well i know about it now, i might post i to facebook too.

take care all

jade x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 02:57 PM

NICE website! Cheers to the guys who put it together, good show and all that :)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 02:02 PM

The Folk Against Fascism site is now up and running. View it Here

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 18 Sep 09 - 07:52 AM

The petition against the English Defence League demonstration, which I mentioned a couple of days ago now has 3,122 signatures.

If you haven't already done so, you can sign it at Hope Not Hate

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 17 Sep 09 - 09:39 PM

SPB,
you have our support, and we know that it was a very cheap shot.
i know that is what we have come to expect from them, but that is going too far!!!!!!!! if you can trace who wrote it, go for it and take them down.

if we here can do anything to help (although i am not sure what)
let us know, i am fairly sure i am saying what everyone on here is thinking.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 17 Sep 09 - 10:26 AM

It's just been suggested to me that drowning Sam/Helen/Daily Mail Reader-and-all-the-other-appelations-in-between, in a tankful of shite woud be a waste of perfectly good shite. This may be true, but it certainly wouldn't be a waste of perfectly good Sam.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: theleveller
Date: 17 Sep 09 - 09:37 AM

If they're resorting to those sorts of tactics on facebook, they must really be getting desperate. Having looked at these turds' facebook pages, the phrase "Billy-Nomates" springs to mind. What a sad bunch of delusionals; no wonder no-one wants to have anything to do with them except a few other sick social misfits. If this is the cream of BNP membership, we've nothing to worry about.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 17 Sep 09 - 09:26 AM

"They can and will the streets of Britain, they are British. Every other kind of third world aids victim, muslim bomber, anti British army raghead and do gooder seem to think they can get away with it. Chance is on it's way."

Sam, have you ever thought how much good you could do the rest of the world by immersing your head in a freshly filled sewage tank for about 5 minutes?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Gervase
Date: 17 Sep 09 - 03:21 AM

That is actually defamatory and actionable. Take a screenshot and seek legal advice soonest. First interview with a solicitor is free and, although there's no legal aid for libel, you may find a lawyer willing to do some pro-bono work at least on the foothills of the case.
And tell Facebook you are taking legal advice.
Incredible the desperate measures to which these scum will resort, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 17 Sep 09 - 12:55 AM

This is what Sam means by debate. As he can't answer any questions put to him, then resort to slander/libel.

If anyone wants to carry out a CRB check on me, I will happily sign the paperwork!

In the meantime - I demand that you back up this allegation. Publish on this site the dates of any convictions, which court these convictions took place, the outcome.

(if it is any help I admit to receiving 4 parking tickets between 1986 and 2003, apart from that I have no convictions whatsoever, not even for speeding).

Otherwise - I want a public apology for defamation.


Sam Hudson Hi Helen

I was very distressed to read on Myspace that the clown
posting on Mudcat Cafe under the name of "SPB-Cooperator" has a coupe
of convictions for "kiddyfiddling". Why oh why does Joe or Max allow
such people on the site ? Pass it on. Tell Paul in Ealing and Leah in
Chiswick.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 06:46 PM

"please forgive my cowardice?" [Jeddy]

That's not cowardice Jade, it's getting your priorities right. I was a carer for many years and it's one of those things you have to actually experience to fully understand the level of commitment and sacrifice involved. You have my greatest respect.

I can see the Barmy Brigade getting quite an interesting reception in Manchester, but then that's no doubt what they're after. My advice to anyone would be to stay away. Manchester aint Codnor..

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 06:03 PM

To walk, or to chew gum?

Maybe Helen Butcher has it. If anyone has Billy Bragg's email, tell him that Helen Butcher is a fan of his fakebook profile: he may want to delete her or worse.

Or it could be Justin Van den Heever, or Leah Green, or Gareth Mark Baugh - or Adonf Hitleric who I think may have been deleted.

Speaking of Leah Green (not my cup of meat), does anyone remember that Captain Beefheart album?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 05:56 PM

Phew! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 05:56 PM

...oops ...


Sorry Emma ... I meant Sam and Helen ...


... I'll get my Anorak ...

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 05:54 PM

But Don,

According to reports from Richard, Sam and Emma are wiping the floor with us ...

... tsk ...

... are you acting the goat again?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 05:35 PM

Be fair SPB-C.

Poor daft Sam can't help it. Somebody else is using the BNP shared brain cell tonight.

Don T