BS: Legal action over BNP membership

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 04:13 PM

Where else could they court popularity? The vast majority of people can easily see that extremist politics can never work. Particularly if you alienate most of the electorate.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:55 PM

There are some seriously sick people connected with the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:44 PM

....Or 'playing leapfrog' as it used to be known.

When they've finished burning cuddly toys, that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:38 PM

"The lads" will give him a welcome when they can get themselves untangled. They spend too much time 'male bonding', imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:32 PM

Peace - He certainly doesn't know how to play the game of politics, that's for sure. They'll never let him get his snout in the trough.

Helen - "The lads"? Don't you think that's a wee bit juvenile?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:24 PM

Smokey,

I'd have to disagree with you about his stupidity. Every party he's ever been involved with has failed. The BNP is failing, too. He's the common link.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:21 PM

Oh, WHAT a surprise. It's Helen. What brought you out from under the rock?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:20 PM

"The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and organisation – there were some really useful ideas there
Nick Griffin on Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf"

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 03:05 PM

No, but he isn't. He's arrogant and not half as clever as he thinks he is though, and that will be his downfall. He has the mentality and technique of the most obnoxious kind of salesman. He's ambitious, and doesn't care who he uses or how. I think, like Moseley, his own ambition is a greater priority than his actual politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 02:22 PM

Am I the only one here who thinks Nick Griffin looks stupid?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 01:48 PM

Good news indeed. It's a shame it won't happen, but I love Lox's scenario of all the 'undesirable' British joining the BNP. It would be a strain on the stomach, granted, but if they all endeavoured to kiss and touch Nick Griffin adoringly whenever he appeared in public, he'd never come out of his house again. (An idea borrowed from Jewish U.S. comedian Murray Roman)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 12:15 PM

thats great lox, well found!!!!

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 11:58 AM

Good news folks.

   The legal action looks like making a massive impact.

   disintegration of the party? ... I'll drink to that!!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 11:31 AM

Correct ollie, me and Nick eloped on friday, so I am now Mrs Griffin.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 11:07 AM

Ollie Beak. "The BNP obtains funding from the sale of books and heraldic or Norse jewellery. These are usually sold through its Excalibur brand."

Exaclibur also sells gollywogs. Honest to God. This lunatic bunch of clapped out crackpots sells gollywogs.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 11:00 AM

Charlotte Olivia Robertson. Re your posting about BNP front organisations above, do you (or anyone else) know of a complete listing of such fronts? I'm due to change my car insurance before too much longer and I would have hated to find I'd lodged it with Albion Life Insurance.

BTW. Two organisations I can think of that you haven't got listed.

The English Fair Fund, which awards grants to 'English' organisations celebrating St. Georges Day.

The Christian Council of Britain. Here's a video of the Great Fat Hopeless himself addressing the CCB. http://vodpod.com/watch/1531936-nick-griffin-speaks-at-the-christian-council-of-britain-in-winsford

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 10:34 AM

Bingo, Smokey.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 08:28 PM

"Social interaction" websites more than willing to allow freedom of expression."

Members seem to be allowed a satisfactory freedom of expression. Get a grown-up to help you join.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 08:09 PM

Yeah, but Sam/Helen/Ivana/Rumplestiltskin, you and a bunch of sock puppets does not constitute a 'side'

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 07:50 PM

Hmm.. I wonder if the party's coffers will benefit from that, or his own..

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 07:43 PM

"The BNP obtains funding from the sale of books and heraldic or Norse jewellery. These are usually sold through its Excalibur brand."

Nick Griffin probably gets more than that per week in "expenses" from the European parliament now.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:49 PM

Sorry, that was an insult to pigs. Poetic license.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:46 PM

Do I hear the patter of tiny trotters?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:40 PM

It looks to me like Paco Rabanne that was has married Nick Griffin and is now Mrs. Paco Griffin. 'Ave I got that right then?

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
no white immigrant

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:21 PM

I didn't know we were supposed to be producing anything.. I'd 'ave brought me 'ammer.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:12 PM

It looks to me like you have all been talking amongst yourselves for a few days. Feathers may have been preened, but what has been produced?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:10 PM

Even if the BNP were, by some miracle, die, there'd always be something to replace, thus it has ever been.

Here's some information for the folks, maybe you've seen it before, maybe you haven't.

The short-lived American Friends of the British National Party gave financial assistance to the BNP from American supporters, and it also facilitated contact between far right figures in both countries.

The Trafalgar Club is the BNP fundraising club, and the name the party uses to book hotels and conference facilities.

*The BNP Ethnic Liaison Committee is an organisation that people from ethnic minorities can join. The committee has joined with BNP members in staging demonstrations.*
(INTERESTING!!!)

Great White Records is a record label launched in January 2006 that is described by the BNP as "a patriotic label". It launched a campaign to introduce British folk music to schoolchildren. Most of the songs were sung by Doncaster folk musician Lee Haggan, and were written by Nick Griffin.

Albion Life Insurance was set up in September 2006 as an insurance brokerage company on behalf of the BNP. Its stated aim is to "secure a robust financial situation for the BNP." The officers of Albion Life are all members of the BNP.

The BNP obtains funding from the sale of books and heraldic or Norse jewellery. These are usually sold through its Excalibur brand.

Oh and there is a BNP Television Channel on You Tube

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
all the news that fits

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:02 PM

I fully understand the sentiment.. Fascism won't be dead though, I think it's an unfortunate part of human nature which most of us manage to suppress most of the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:52 PM

Smokey,
If the BNP fall down that proverbial mineshaft and kills itself, I want to see the body before I'll believe the thing is dead.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:50 PM

More power to yer elbow, Ollie, I'm with your grandad. Whilst I'm inclined to agree with Bubblyrat in that the BNP will self-destruct, that isn't an excuse for complacency. Although the BNP may be no more than an irritating symptom, they represent fascism, and that is the enemy, not just the BNP. Symptoms, however, need to be dealt with. I personally don't think the BNP could run a piss-up in a brewery, let alone a country, but the extremist ideas they propagate are a danger to everyone. I'd like to think we'd learned something from WW2, but I fear that lesson may get weaker with each generation.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:21 PM

regarding bubblyrat's entire rant..ummm...my granfather, my Dad's Dad, was in the RAF during WWII (so what's YOUR point?) and was absolutely horrified every time some fascist organisation would rear its head, he lived long enough to see the Genesis of the BNP, they not only horrified him, but scared the hell out of him, he said, to anyone who'd listen "fight them to your last dying breath if you have to and don't let them grab any sort of power" You know what bubblyrat AND others who've criticised my in your face approach regarding the BNP, I'll listen to my grandfather, for whom I had massive respect.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: The Barden of England
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:04 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: bubblyrat - PM
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 09:32 AM

'And yet,here you all are;hateful,spiteful,vengeful,hell-bent on discrediting and destroying what is,at least for the moment,a perfectly legitimate organisation,of which membership,if not advisable or acceptable,is not actually illegal. So much for Democracy !!

Rather like Hamas in Palestine, Democratically voted for, and then denounced by the USA. Terrorist - of course - but still voted for in a democratic election. Now can you see the similarity?
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:00 PM

We all owe a debt to our Canadian friends.
WW1 saw them take the heaviest loss in proportion to population.
That ignorant "guest" should now withdraw from here.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 01:47 PM

"Why does a Canadian submarine have one forward gears and two reverse ?
The one forward gear is in case the Enemy come from behind !"

Silly little girl.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 01:16 PM

"this post is obviously designed to wind up Bruce"
- Lox

It was designed to wind up all the Canadian viewers to these threads, but I simply couldn't allow the insult to go unanswered, particularly from an anonymous coward.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
non-white immigrant

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 01:11 PM

Canadian War vets indeed ...

... this post is obviously designed to wind up Bruce - I hope he has the savvy to ignore it.

Here is the truth about the Canadian D-Day sacrifice.


While we're on the subject of War heroes, check out this link to a BBC documentary about the role of Muslims in the British Army over the last hundred years.

Part One of 'Muslim Tommies'. Parts two and three are easily found nearby.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 01:05 PM

Try the useless throwing away of Canadian lives on August 19, 1942 at Dieppe. Approximately 5000 of 6100 troops involved at the Battle of Dieppe were Canadians including those from the Royal Regiment of Canada and the Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment). Tell that joke to their faces, if you dare...BUT I forget...you don't sign in as a member of Mudcat, therefore YOU are a coward, dearie!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
non-white immigrant

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: redhorse
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 01:00 PM

HelenB:
I suggest you look up "Juno Beach" in any history of the Normandy landings.....................

nick

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 12:26 PM

Well, finally goaded into a racist remark (anti Canadian) (bloody hell that took long enough, you're slipping Charlie old girl)...behold the true colours of this peasant Helen Butcher, but what DO you expect from someone with the mental level of a gnat? Helen B I really am glad true English people I not like you...it's what keeps me going, dearie.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
non-white immigrant

P.S. I will apologise to the first gnat I see today

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 11:31 AM

"Hughie Jones a 'coloured' serviceman in world war 2 ? I must tell him that when I see him."
- Fred McCormick

I've been passing the word to a few of the surviving First Nations WWII vets around where my Mother was from (Hagersville, Ontario Canada). Now these are guys who've seen it all and then some, first venerated as heroes then reviled for who they are. Well.....I've recieved a number of e-mails back, already, the theme of all the said e-mails is one of total disbelief. I think a couple of them are willing to sign up with FaF, which is their right, of course.

There are some active fascist parties in Canada including:

Canadian Association for Free Expression
Nationalist Party of Canada
Northern Alliance
all of the above are listed has being Nazi affiliates (unlike the BNP, however, none of the above have ever gained any measure of power).

for further Fascist parties, world wide the following might be useful.

List of fascist movements

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
non-white immigrant

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 10:12 AM

Guest. You great stupid pillock. I imagine that the previous poster was talking about Cliff Hall, not Hughie Jones, who is white and Welsh. Cliff was Black, not coloured, and he was certainly old enough to have fought in WW2.

FYI, Cliff Hall was a member of the Spinners from the mid fifties until he retired and returned to Jamaica (Yes, that's right. Returned to Jamaica, thereby passing up all the NHS benefits which he'd spent his adult life paying for.) What's more, prior to his turning professional he was a full time PAID electrician. If he ever drew the dole, or any other welfare benefit, I have no doubt it was fully justified.

But what does the truth matter to a BNP lackey like you?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 10:05 AM

There were those who were of the opinion that a certain ex corporal Adolf Schicklegruber would never amount to anything, and could safely be ignored.

Twenty seven million gaps in the human population would seem to refute that.

The most dangerous thing about racists and fascists, is that the population at large doesn't take them seriously until it is TOO LATE.

Freedom of speech, and political freedom, do not confer the right to shout "FIRE" in a crowded auditorium, nor to incite racial hatred.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 09:53 AM

Hughie Jones a 'coloured' serviceman in world war 2 ? I must tell him that when I see him.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: bubblyrat
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 09:32 AM

The BNP are ,happily,on the road to self-destruction.There is little,if any,need to pursue them down the mineshaft of oblivion into which they have tipped themselves.This ,they will willingly accomplish all by themselves.
                  And yet,here you all are;hateful,spiteful,vengeful,hell-bent on discrediting and destroying what is,at least for the moment,a perfectly legitimate organisation,of which membership,if not advisable or acceptable,is not actually illegal. So much for Democracy !! What,I wonder,will you all do once your aims have been accomplished ?? What other organisations,clubs,fraternities or societies should I be fearful of joining ,lest it offend your sensibilites (I was NOT considering joining the BNP !)..??
             To be honest,the BNP,"per se",do not frighten me.BUT---an awful lot of you people do !
                   I was most interested,as a former Serviceman ( Sorry,White Supremacist Colonialist Warmongerer )to read of the part played by Coloured servicemen in WW2.In fact,I believe that the esteemed Hughie, of "The Spinners" ,was one such.And I greatly admired him for that. Of course, no mention was made of the thousands of Sikhs who fought for Hitler,and ,indeed,manned the machine-gun positions along the "Atlantic Wall" on D-Day----Many a poor innocent "Tommy" unknowingly lost his life in the cause of Independence for India on June 6th 1944. But I guess you would rather not know that ?? However, I forgive you.
             Meanwhile,just calm down and let the BNP quietly fizzle out,as it will.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 08:10 AM

Barry,

The BNP isn't a new thing in the UK and I have played a small part in campaigns against them going back nearly 20 years.


They have remained, as you describe the KKK in the USA, an embarrassing stain upon society.

In fact, they were kept in check for a long time by simply being a laughing stock. They were like the idiot at a party that noone wants to hang out with because he keeps insulting everyone and groping all the women.


A charismatic leader can influence things differently, and though Griffin isn't the most endearing of characters himself, his strategy of rebranding the BNP as nothing more sinister than a moderate party that are unafraid to discuss the difficult issues honestly is potentially a dangerous one that could, in this age of brands, convince otherwise decent people to vote for them and to engage in their very specialized area of political debate.


It is up to the rest of us to ensure that their lies are exposed and that the truth of who they are is clear and easy to understand and backed up with hard evidence.


More importantl;y though, as the BNP have two seats in Europe, tey have more money to spend on promoting their ideas on one hand, but more worryingly, they have greater rights when it comes to being included in debates.

Right now there is no chance in hell of David Dukes ever being pitted face to face with Obama in a debate.

Griffin and Brons, the two BNP MEP's are elected representatives of Britain in the European Parliament, so they cannot be ignored as easily as they used to be.

They have as much right to be on the Radio and TV as any other "legit" politicians.

Consequently, their ideas are currently receiving more attention.

Consequently, refuting their lies will be a way of life for the rest of us for the next few years when we encounter them, until they lose their seats at the next election and are marginalized once again.


You can take nothing for granted and times will always change.

It is up to us to ensure they change for the better and to prevent them changing for the worse.

This is a war of ideas, so practising, even on an obscure folk website is healthy as the clearest thinker and speaker will win.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 06:18 AM

...ignored by the main stream parties.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 06:04 AM

Crow Sister, yes I see what happened.
Royston, yes I agree.You need to address the people who do vote BNP for those reasons.
They do have issues and feel ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:37 AM

Actually Keith A, though I'm aware you've posted similar sentiments, I wasn't aware that those words quoted, were your precise words! I was actually posting a response to comments made by "Helen B" below, who perhaps has in fact copied your text?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Royston
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:09 AM

Keith, the BNP hasn't promised anyone anything that will improve the lot of "the unheard downtrodden", as they seem to be characterised. The BNP is only offering a social cull to reduce the numbers of the so-called needy. Once the "effniks" have been kicked out then they will start drawing up new lists of the "unwanted" or "un-entitled" it was ever thus. Eventually they'll come for you!

If the BNP should get their way, I can't imagine their constituents lining up to mop floors and wash bed-pans, when all the "foreign" labourers are rejected, and I certainly don't relish the idea of the ignorant, wilfully uneducated trash that tends to gather around the BNP offering to fix my teeth or do open-heart surgery on me, should I ever need it.

All people have got to take some bloody responsibility for their own lives, rather than blaming others for their own failures and hoping that jack-booted thugs will kick 'em all out and redistribute their assets and entitlements.

For crying out loud, if peasants from Pakistan or India or other places can fund themselves or their children to come here (or somewhere else) to work and study to get top-flight degrees in the toughest subjects such as medicine and then make a real contribution to our great nation, what the fuck is the problem that these BNP malcontents have either with those people or in their own lives.

There is a lack of social resources, fact. The answer is not to cull the neeedy, the answer is to make greater provision. There are options, you can vote Liberal, you can vote Green. If you don't like those options then you need to get into Labour or the Conservatives and agitate for change in those parties' policies.

Better still, get into the BNP and reform it's policies. Make it a party committed to the welfare and succes of *all the people* of Britain, not just the people of Britain that the glorious leader thinks are worthy people of Britain.

Start a new party along the above lines.

Voting Fascist BNP is lazy, craven, stupid and dangerous. I, and people like me, are constantly shouting the solutions as well as campaigning against the problem. Gradually more and more people are waking up to this and it needs more - and it needs more of "Middle England" to get behind it as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:43 AM

Crow Sister's quote was one of mine, for which I paid a price.
It was NOT an excuse for BNP, just an explanation of where their votes are coming from.
They have asked for all those things on Royston's list, but no one else listens to them.