BS: Legal action over BNP membership

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 07:53 PM

Jazz was banned in Nazi Germany, The Nazi regime passed notorious edicts banning jazz records and muted trumpets calling them degenerate art or entartete Kunst

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 07:33 PM

The wheels of justice and all that jazz.

Oh that's right. Jazz is "jungle" music, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 07:20 PM

Helen B is nothing more or less than a nasty little racist who's going to get her comeupance one of these fine days. I'm not sure whether we should hasten that comeupance or just sit back and watch her do it herself.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 07:14 PM

I love reading your other fantasies on the fake mudcat too Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Helen B.
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 07:12 PM

This isn't true Emma B, by the way, loved reading those pm's :)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 07:03 PM

I do believe that's exactly what Helen B is insinuating, SBP.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 06:56 PM

Helen B is as crazy as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. Since she likely won't understand what I just said--it's a paraphrase of something Mark Twain wrote--please explain it to her if you're of a mind to.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 06:50 PM

So are you suggesting that the arms industry is run by migrants?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 06:41 PM

"sell guns or drugs and annoy those living around you.."

Oh dear, I think Helen B shot herself in both feet

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 06:30 PM

BNP district councillor Rod Law, who contested the Loughton Central seat in the Essex County Council elections is close friends with the football hooligan turned drug dealer John 'Jock' Shearer, who once served as party leader Nick Griffin's security chief but quit in one of the BNP's many internal bust-ups

Shearer circled in orange (Rod Law is circled in pink) is just one of many criminals involved in the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 06:14 PM

Wow ... what a world that would be ...

Imagine of Britain got rid of all its nonces and terrorists ...

there'd be no BNP ...

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 06:07 PM

Oh by the way... If you want "true Brit" drug dealers to go home, where exactly is that?
Well????????? It is a very simple question...................

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 05:58 PM

Helen B, I tell you what I have just re-read what you posted, don't even bother answering - you haven't got the intelligence to do so. Just stuff yourself in your own gas-chamber.....

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 05:55 PM

big up to the junglehouse massive!!! i guess you don't like reggae do you ? nor gansta rap, elton john wouldn't stand a chance at being played at parties. most of the charts would have to be banned too.

can't watch tv, can't listen to the radio and can't travel anywhere, coz even the roads you drive on were sort of invented by the romans. must be some life they are living, could someone tell me whether they should even be using the internet?

way to uphold ones beliefs.

i foget now how long did the BNP member got for terrorist activities????

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 05:53 PM

Helen B... True Brits prefer to murder pregnat women and their unborn children.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 05:50 PM

This thread is still open because racists keep submitting unfounded and unsubstantiated scare-mongering claptrap, and as long as there is a risk that one person might get taking in by it, mudcat members - note NOT GUESTS - do what we can to show the flaws, even though we would much rather spend our time talking about folk music.

As their is no evidence that guest give a **** about folk, I for one would be grateful if you could crawl back into your gutter so I can get on with my life.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 05:29 PM

Georgina, that reminds of those "cute" little pseudo-British pubs you see in North America and in Spain.

Helen B probably doesn't listen to rock music at all...after all it has "jungle music" elements in it!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 05:23 PM

You can just see this twat turning red in the face, eyeballs bulging, spouting this crap as we all sit around eating a damn good curry and wetting ourselves with laughter as she makes a complete arsehole of herself.

And don't forget the "jungle music" playing in the background.

;o)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Georgina Boyes
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 05:19 PM

How even a BNP supporter can highlight "they don't leave parcels on buses or tube trains" in the week that a White supremacist has been jailed here for taking bombs onto a train shows how little contact they have with reality.

And of course, "British" people never leave these islands to move to continental Europe where they never learn the language and don't mix with local communities, do they?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: theleveller
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 04:53 PM

"True Brits support our troops, they don't burn our flag, they don't leave parcels on buses or tube trains, if you want to live in Britain,accept British traditions. If you settle in the UK, accept the British way of live, if you want to roast goats at the back of your house or sell guns or drugs and annoy those living around you with jungle music, then go home if you miss that way of life."

Wonderful stuff - you couldn't make it up, could you? You can just see this twat turning red in the face, eyeballs bulging, spouting this crap as we all sit around eating a damn good curry and wetting ourselves with laughter as she makes a complete arsehole of herself.

Come on, let's have some more, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 03:14 PM

Do the supporters of the BNP refuse to ride on buses that have non-white (or non-'British') drivers, or trains and planes for that matter?
The list goes on, firmly underlining the complete ridiculousness of much of the BNPs beliefs.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 03:09 PM

Do the supporters of the BNP refuse treatment from non-white (or non-'British') surgeons, doctors and nurses etc. when they are ill or hospitalised? They should really, as a matter of principle - it would be a very patriotic gesture.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 01:40 PM

You're opposed to roasting goats at the back of your house? Does this mean you're against family barbeques in the garden? I suppose that means you'd be against hamburgers, fish, you know, anything that can be done on the barbeque. That's terribly anti-social of you, you'd not be welcome on our road.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 01:34 PM

"You would most likely end up on the pan."

Do you mean eaten, as in cannibalism, or is it some quaint colloquialism with which I am not acquainted?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Helen B.
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 01:33 PM

True Brits support our troops, they don't burn our flag, they don't leave parcels on buses or tube trains, if you want to live in Britain,accept British traditions. If you settle in the UK, accept the British way of live, if you want to roast goats at the back of your house or sell guns or drugs and annoy those living around you with jungle music, then go home if you miss that way of life.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Jenny Brampton
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 01:30 PM

Folkiedave
I said "I don't understand that last addition to the debate " I didn't say that I didn't understand him being rude to me. Seems to me Mudcat has become a playground for those who want to insult people because they feel safe behind their screens.

What an appauling place this is. I'm so glad I'm a guest and not a member. God knows what you are doing to each other in private messages.

JB

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 01:22 PM

One small question from me. What about the resident scrougers, I'm talking white people here, or don't white folk do that? Helen the lack of logic in any of your postings, and I, for my sins, have read them all, is alarming and a pack of lies to boot.

Another thing, by British do you mean those persons who are descended from those who entered Britain in the earlier waves of immigration, let'say, from Jamaica, the West Indies, Inda, Pakistan
Please explain what you mean by British.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Helen B.
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 01:12 PM

For the life of me I can't understand why these threads are still running, you have chewed them, twisted them, lied in them, swore in them and all for what ?

The reality is, the UK has become an open door to scroungers, yes scroungers. There are more Europeans coming over now than there was three years ago. They bring their breeding machines with them. A family consisting of two adults and three kids get more from state benefit handouts than if both were in employment. They have more fiddles running than a folk session.

Open your eyes and see that we need to limit the entry into the UK of these freeloaders and in doing so we will cut down on drug related offences, stabbings, drunk driving and murder.

British wealth for the British people. I would like to see some of you lot head out to one of these third world countries and ask for a rent free house and state benefits ! You would most likely end up on the pan.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 12:37 PM

Your proposal is flawed on at least 2 fronts:

(a) You can't assume that "UK People" ss you put it are qualified to carry out jobs which current employ migrant workers - this includes nurses, doctors, etc, and on the same note, whether employers would want to employ "UK people" who apply.

(b) If capitalists are denied "cheap" labour in this country, there is virtually nothing to stop them from moving production, and now even services overseas to exploit sweat labour.

A third issue is whether as tax payers we are prepared to subsidise employers who pay salaries on or just above national minimum wage, or offer very few hours employment.

As mentioned several times, migrant workers make a positive contribution to our economy through direct and indirect taxes.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Folkiedave
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 12:26 PM

Are you calling me an arsehole?

I thought you said you didn't understand the post!!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Jenny Brampton
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 12:22 PM

Are you calling me an arsehole?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Jenny Brampton (home again)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 12:20 PM

I don't understand that last addition to the debate at all? Do you agree with me, or not? It doesn't make much sense.

Jenny B

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 11:56 AM

""I find it difficult to understand why we have migrant workers coming to this country filling vacancies, when there are 10,000's people in UK claiming benefits. Why can't the UK people be forced to do the work after they have been claiming benefits for say, 6 months? If it's because the unemployed don't want to do the jobs; tuff!!!""

And they claim they are not Fascists!

First kick out all the foreigners, dumping would be new arrivals in the briny with a lifebelt and a compass, so they can find their way back to wherever.

Those that won't go voluntarily, can be dropped out of aircraft over Africa, so then we'll all be British.

THEN WE CAN GET THE LABOUR CAMPS SET UP, to accommodate the lazy, the poor, the disabled, gays, Jazz musicians, etc. etc.

Does this spark off any memories of past events?

I'm sure we had to deal with similar arseholes a few years back.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Jenny Brampton (in the lirbrary)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 11:21 AM

I find it difficult to understand why we have migrant workers coming to this country filling vacancies, when there are 10,000's people in UK claiming benefits. Why can't the UK people be forced to do the work after they have been claiming benefits for say, 6 months? If it's because the unemployed don't want to do the jobs; tuff!!!

Jenny B

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 04:23 PM

from the Press Association


A businessman who confronted British National Party members when they put a leaflet through his door has said he feels "vindicated" after being found not guilty of threatening the men. Skip related content

Mohammed Latif, 38, was accused of swearing at Duncan Warner, 44, and Gerard Williams, 54, and calling them "Nazis" before trying to snatch their leaflets.

But the business manager, from Stockport, Greater Manchester, who is married with two young children, insisted he did not use any foul language.

And the court believed his version of events - that he was actually trying to hand the pamphlet back

Mr Warner, organiser for the party's Stockport branch at the time, and Mr Williams, who has been a BNP member for five years, were delivering pamphlets on April 9 this year when the incident happened. The pair were distributing flyers in Broadstone Road, Stockport, when a "Muslim man" approached and asked if they were responsible for the material, Mr Warner told Stockport Magistrates' Court.

"I ignored his question and walked away. He came back and called us Nazi f***ers, and shouted "hey, I'm talking to you d***heads," he said. "I was very offended by this insult because members of my family died in the war fighting the Nazis."

But Mr Latif said he was handing the leaflet back because he did not want his wife or two young sons to see it. He said he only approached them to ask why they deliver leaflets without checking who lives in the houses.

"Maybe if I wanted to plaster my bedroom in BNP leaflets I might have taken them. I wanted a civil conversation. I didn't threaten to follow anyone home. In fact I told the police I was worried for my own safety, in case there were any reprisals," he said.

Speaking after the case, Mr Latif urged people to stand up for what they believe in.

He said: "I feel vindicated. I was an innocent man who was dragged through the courts, causing a lot of distress to my family and friends. I do not want other people to go through what I have been through but everyone should try to find a voice to defend their beliefs. It is so important."

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: treewind
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 03:37 PM

Gollum
Goebbels

Hmmm....

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 03:19 PM

facial resemblance between Goebells and Gollum in The Lord of the Rings?
- Owen Woodson
Owen, my husband is peering over my shoulder looking at your post and nodding most enthusiastically and has just said, "Look someone else noticed the resemblance too, I thought it was just me" *LOL*

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Gollum/Goebbels

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 02:58 PM

"Education for Death: The Making of the Nazi." Frightening is the operative word. No wonder George Orwell thought up 1984. BTW. Did you notice a distinct facial resemblance between Goebells and Gollum in The Lord of the Rings?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 02:56 PM

If it means anything, Der Fueherer's Face was voted number 22 in the Top 25 Greatest Cartoons ever made, and received a number of awards at the time of its release (1943) and you can see why. This was Disney at the height his/their powers. Interestingly enough The Disney Studio made these propaganda short for the U.S government because they (the Disney Studio) had lost a whole whack of money making and distributing Fantasia (it terribly at the box office on top of everything else)

Sorry for that slight thread drift...and now we return you to your regular scheduled programming.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 02:45 PM

Der Fuehrer's Face. Absolutely brilliant. I couldn't stop laughing. Like Modern Times on helium.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 02:36 PM

I forgot to add this link, a very frightening piece, once more filmed by Walt Disney.
Education for Death: The Making of the Nazi

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 02:29 PM

My sister remined me, this past weekend of a song and a cartoon short that perfectly sums up and makes fun of the BNP and it's lackies/toadies/parasites/other hangers on.

DER FUEHRER'S FACE
Spike Jones & His City Slickers


CHORUS
When der fuehrer says we is de master race
We heil (pffft) heil (pffft) right in Der Fuehrer's Face
Not to love der fuehrer is a great disgrace
So we heil (pffft) heil (pffft) right in Der Fuehrer's Face


When Herr Goebbels says we own the world and space
We heil (pffft) heil (pffft) right in Herr Goebbels' face
When Herr Goering says they'll never bomb dis place
We heil (pffft) heil (pffft) right in Herr Goering's face


Are we not the supermen Aryan pure supermen
Ja we are the supermen (super duper supermen)
Is this Nutzi land so good
Would you leave it if you could?
Ja this Nutzi land is good
We would leave it if we could


We bring the world New Order
Heil Hitler's world New Order
Everyone of foreign race
Will love der fuehrer's face
When we bring to the world dis order.

The Walt Disney cartoon short (courtesy of You Tube)
Der Fuehrer's Face

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 02:29 PM

Nick Griffin has a solidly upper-middle-class background, so he's not much like the cartoon character.

When he started his career, I was pretty sure that both he and his pal Patrick Harrington were plants from one of the intelligence agencies. The fascist parties they belonged to had an uncanny knack of flushing themselves down the toilet of history shortly after they joined. Subsequent events suggest I was wrong about Griffin - he's kept at it far too long and determinedly - but it's hard to see any other explanation of Harrington that makes sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 02:20 PM

Guest. Me related to that pathetic slob ? I doubt it. There are a good many skeletons in the family closet, but you can take it as read that no member of my family would have shacked up with the ancestor of a dysfunctional alcoholic derelict like that.

He quite reminds me of the well known anti-fascist slogan, "Master race? You're having a laugh". Perhaps he's a relative of yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 02:00 PM

Azizi, the family name in Family Guy is Griffin.Having said that, some of Stewie's behaviour patterns are strongly reminiscent of certain far-right wing figures in history.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Azizi
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 01:56 PM

This falls into the FWIW category:

I just came across a reference to Stewie Griffin. Since I don't watch American animated television sitcom,Family Guy , I had no idea who Stewie Griffin is.

For those who also don't have a clue, and want to (have a clue), check out this link.

**

I'm wondering if that character was patterned after Nick Griffin, or if it's just a coincidence that Stewie has the same last name as the person in charge of the infamous BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 11:51 AM

"BTW. Two organisations I can think of that you haven't got listed."
- Owen Woodson.

Owen, that list was a combination of off the top of my head and Wikipedia, I've a feeling I missed a good number of organisations attached to the BNP and its lackies/parasites/hangers on

Been a great weekend, did nothing except listen to music, very pleasant. I see Nick's wife Paco has been "having a go", my first thought was, would the moron dare saying the same thing to my face, answered my own question, no the gutless wonder wouldn't, after all how do you tell your mates you been given the one over by a female who is much smaller than you? *LOL*
More Anon. guests I see, the idiots just won't give it up

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
never get in the way of a short
person with something to prove
- Norman Thelwell

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 11:09 AM

Go away anonymous guest, no-one asked you to open your mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 07:59 AM

I checked on 192.com and there are three Woodsons living in Tilehurst Reading, so he could also be a cousin of yours under a false name.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 07:07 AM

Neo-Nazi Neil Lewington, of Tilehurst, Reading, who was arrested some time ago for preparing for acts of terrorism, has today been given a life sentence.

I've checked the BNP membership list and there is no-one of that name on there. However, there are seven members resident in Tilehurst, so he could well be listed under a false name.