BS: Legal action over BNP membership

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Gervase
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 03:41 AM

Inane? There were quite specific. I asked about the BNP's connections with racism, with the American far-right, with violence and criminality. I copied them to you on Facebook once, George. Now run along and carry on learning 'Tomorrow Belongs to Me," there's a good little fascist.
And, no, it's not 'my' thread, but do really we need a willy-waving competition to see who hates anonymous Nazis the most? If I were a BNP supporter I'd be tempted to pop in an inflammatory 'Guest' post every few days just to wind people up - since it clearly works.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 08:07 PM

gervase,
i don't agree with your treatment of george and others, although i understand your' frustrations. but in this instance you are quite right!
it is one thing not to let things go, but to jump on them so heavily might be doing more harm than good.

let them play their games and only respond when it gets to a certain level.
i will try to take my own advice, i might fail, but i will try.

i did have a question relating to the topic, but after catching up, i have forgotten it, so back i go until i remember, which might be a while, if i am too long, send a search party please?

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 08:04 PM

"your harassment of me here and on facebook is becoming rather obsessive."

You haven't stopped your BNP friends from doing that though, have you. Fuck the rest, huh "George"?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 08:03 PM

Gervase stop targetting me please. I will not respond to your innane questions because you have stated that anything I do respond to will be copied and pasted into public from private messaging, whether I give my permission or not and your harassment of me here and on facebook is becoming rather obsessive.



For the record all those who have assumed that I had a platform during the elections you are wrong.

I was a 'paper candidate' I did not knock on any doors or give any speeches.

I am not well versed in politics and have not had to 'field' any questions.

I will not comment any further since this is supposed to be a thread about legal action.

MBS George

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 06:31 PM

"Give it a try. And if it gets to the point where there we are getting towards 50 consecutive posts by anonymous fascists capable of joined-up thinking, then by all means let rip. Until then, keep mum"
- Gervase Webb

My oh my aren't we being the little dictator then? You'll forgive I'm sure if I personally respond with one word...no. This NOT your thread,although you do take a somewhat proprietory attitude, so again my answer to you is no!

Charlotte Olivia Roberts (Ms)
who speaks for herself and no one else

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Gervase
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 06:24 PM

C'mon chaps - for every one illiterate post made by some BNP troll guest we get half a dozen kneejerk posts by well-meaning folk each trying to outdo the other in their right-on, anti-fascist credentials.
I do think that anyone coming to this thread and reading a page-worth of posts will be in no doubt that (a) the BNP are intellectually bankrupt and (b) most trad music fans don't like 'em.
Why not leave it at that. Otherwise you risk alienating the 'don't knows' and the undecideds who maybe don't fancy the BNP at the moment, but who will instinctively side with anyone who is subject to an hysterical sh!t-storm.
Give it a try. And if it gets to the point where there we are getting towards 50 consecutive posts by anonymous fascists capable of joined-up thinking, then by all means let rip. Until then, keep mum.
Of course, if a registered Mudcat member posts pro-BNP stuff, then there's room for fair comment. Somehow, though, I don't think BNP George will be waving her racist flag here for a while - she seems to be unable or unwilling to defend her fascist friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:57 PM

"I wonder if "Helen B" is the BNPer on fakebook Helen Butcher?"
- Richard Bridge

well it's definitely not This Helen Butcher

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:45 PM

Oh, yes, I don't think Royston ever looked THAT like George Michael and in the days to which he refers he did folk, but was not really a "folkie".

Now I could name some of his contemporaries (but definitely not folkies) who would have had to burn the house down to destroy the evidence... one of them used to DJ under the original name of "the Funkmaster".

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:41 PM

I wonder if "Helen B" is the BNPer on fakebook Helen Butcher?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:26 PM

Why waste time on that piece of trash? She's a troll. Forget she says anything and GUEST Helen'll crawl back under her rock.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 03:12 PM

"Google, Charlotte."
- Emma B

It tells me nothing, the DIGG link leads right back here, so thereforethe reference is somewhere on Mudcat.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 03:11 PM

This is the link in question. It is a profoundly stupid strategy that will do the BNP more harm than good.

Nice one Royston :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Royston
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 03:05 PM

Smokey,

At one infamous raid on a truly legendary Brixton dance venue many years ago, I did say in a very amiable tone and demeanour to the officer that was searching my pockets "Look at the state of me, I've obviously taken the lot, I've nothing to hide" To which he said "Yes, Sir, I'm sure you have" Then one of my friends, wobbling dangerously and trying hopelessly to talk in conspiratorial, hushed tones, beckoned the officer's attention and slurred "Don't you realise who he once was?", which I thought was priceless.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 02:43 PM

Google, Charlotte.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 02:31 PM

Royston - everything?
I'm full of admiration.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 02:23 PM

"mudcat.org — British folk musicians are organising several events to show their support for the British National Party. Reclaim the British way of life. ..."
-Emma B

where did you find this?

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Royston
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 02:20 PM

All self-respecting drug-fiends make sure that they've taken everything before the old bill arrive. It is a policy that has served me well over the years!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 02:15 PM

Maybe some of these guys?

mudcat.org — British folk musicians are organising several events to show their support for the British National Party. Reclaim the British way of life. ...
digg.com/.../British_Folk_Musicians_support_the_British_National_Party -

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 02:12 PM

Unless of course you are dumb enough to classify "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds" as folk.

I've been known to churn out an instrumental acoustic guitar version.. I once announced it as "almost folk and almost Irish" without getting lynched.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 01:58 PM

""Incidentally, does anybody know of any folk musician in this country who was prosecuted in the 1960s/70s for drug offences?""

A few folkies caught with the odd spliff, but not much else. Slap on the wrist territory.

The ones that were regularly getting done for the more dangerous stuff were rock, and pop, merchants in the main.

Unless of course you are dumb enough to classify "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds" as folk.

These Guest clones are sharing one brain cel, and THAT'S out at the laundry this week.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 01:32 PM

Just look at the number of BNPers that appeared in court during the last couple of days for various offences ! Does it go with the job ? Surely you can't say the use of violence, racism, anti-immigrant slander etc..etc.. didn't happen.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms
non-white immigrant

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 01:23 PM

Just looking at the number of folk musicians that appeared in court during the 1960's & 70's for drug offences "Helen B"

Would these be violent, racist, or discriminatory drug offences?
No, I thought not.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 01:05 PM

"a lot of supporters from ethnic minorities," adding: "They understand why the membership list is closed to them."
- Stephen Tyler, the BNP Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for Bermondsey

Oh what a fibber Tyler is! We (non-white immigrants) fully understand why membership is closed to us (not that I have any interst in joining, to put it mildly)it's because of the BNPs racist, homophobic, anti-Semetic, anti- Islamic (the list gets longer)stances. As for support from us ethnic minorities, that's got to be one of the funniest things I've ever heard, or it would be if it weren't a complete pack of lies.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
non-white ethnic minority

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 12:56 PM

The legal case about ethnic restrictions on the British National Party's membership rules has, as posted earlier, been adjourned.

The case was adjourned to give the BNP more time to prepare a defence, after the court was told the party had only instructed its counsel, Jonathan O'Mahoney, at 5pm on Tuesday.
Mr O'Mahoney told the court that the BNP had appointed a new legal team in the past week after dispensing with the services of its original solicitors, who had advised it not to contest the case.


Judge Paul Collins said: "The Commission take the view that the terms on which the BNP admit persons to membership is in breach of the Race Relations Act because it discriminates against persons on the grounds of race and they want an injunction to stop it."

He pointed out that it had taken a "long time for someone to get round to the idea" that the BNP - which was founded 27 years ago - could be in breach of the Race Relations Act.
[Outside the court however, a spokesman for the EHRC said its predecessor organisation, the Commission for Racial Equality, did not have the powers to take such legal action and that the EHRC was set up only in October 2007.]

However, the judge also said the BNP had known since June about the possibility of legal action and said it was "unfair" of the party to have instructed Mr O'Mahoney at the last minute.

He therefore ordered the BNP to pay the costs of the hearing.!


More disturbingly the judge pointed out that the EHRC had not provided any evidence that there was "a long queue of black people wanting to join the BNP"

Stephen Tyler, the BNP Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for Bermondsey in south east London, who attended the hearing, said that the BNP had "a lot of supporters from ethnic minorities," adding: "They understand why the membership list is closed to them."

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 12:07 PM

"Just looking at the number of folk musicians that appeared in court during the 1960's & 70's for drug offences ! Does it go with the job ? Surely you can't say the use and abuse of illegal drugs by artists didn't happen."
- GUEST,Helen B

I know you're a troll, Helen B, but I'd be interested in knowing your source for your totally outrageous remark (is there an internet list out there somewhere?), it is to the point of slander, which would have the BNP it's lackies/toadies/hangers on in court yet again.
You, GUEST,Helen B, hide behind GUEST because like all others who have entered in here to Mudcat using GUEST, are a coward, without the courage of any convictions (except for criminal, of course) whatsoever.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 11:59 AM

3. I was just about to ask why am I wasting my time answering this when the page whizzed off into cyberspace.

Incidentally, does anybody know of any folk musician in this country who was prosecuted in the 1960s/70s for drug offences?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 11:56 AM

Oh dear, another troll. And one whose head seems even further round the twist than usual. Two points.

1. This is totally unrelated to the topic under discussion.

2. Was drug taking any more prevalent among the folk revival then, than among other sections of society?

3.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Helen B.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 11:39 AM

Just looking at the number of folk musicians that appeared in court during the 1960's & 70's for drug offences ! Does it go with the job ? Surely you can't say the use and abuse of illegal drugs by artists didn't happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 11:11 AM

Richard Bridge. "It appears that the BNP turned up unprepared in court, so there has been an adjournment to I think Oct 16 - but the BNP will ahve to pay te Commission's costs of today. Har-de-har."

Snap. Peter Tierney, a paid up BNP activist, and about as unpleasant an individual as you'd never wish to meet was up before the magistrates in August on a charge of assault. When the court convened, his solicitor asked for an adjournment because he hadn't had chance to study the CCTV footage. His case re-comes up tomorrow.

The BNP are having quite a time of it in the courts lately. Yesterday there was the conviction of ex-member Matthew Single, for leaking the membership list. Today the leadership is being prosecuted for its whites only membership rule. And tomorrow, as I said, there is the case of the said Mr Tierney.

Incidentally, having led a quiet law abiding life, I'm not entirely sure how to read this, but the creep wasn't just freed after he was charged. He was released on bail. Moreover, a condition of his bail was that he has to stay out of city centre where the attack took place. Also, on releasing him, the police hung onto his clothes (for forensic analysis presumably), and sent him home in a prisoner's uniform. Is this usual for the level of assault which would normally come up before a magistrates court ?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 09:52 AM

"Ian Dunt says here, especially when he argues that immigration enriches this country"

Ian Dunt is, of course, quite right, we immigrants do enrich your country, but then again I AM rather biased in that direction*LOL*

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
immigrant and damned proud of it!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 08:38 AM

It appears that the BNP turned up unprepared in court, so there has been an adjournment to I think Oct 16 - but the BNP will ahve to pay te Commission's costs of today. Har-de-har.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 07:26 AM

I totally agree with everything Ian Dunt says here, especially when he argues that immigration enriches this country, rather than impoverishes it. That includes spiritually, culturally and economically.

And yes, immigrant workers should not be used to undercut the native labour force. Everybody on this planet should be able to settle and work on it anywhere they choose. But paying immigrants discriminatory wages and subjecting them to discriminatory working conditions benefits no-one but the fat cats of industry; the very people in fact who will end up backing the BNP when indigenous workers turn on them because of their employment policies.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 05:52 AM

One final attempt to address the topic....

The BNP are off to court today to defend their white-only membership.

Some comment from Ian Dunt

"....... the BNP is based on a victim mentality, a wrong-headed reversal of objective truth, a world-view in which the most marginalised are presented as tyrannous oppressors. It is based on the myth that whites are now the most victimised group in the UK.

It would be difficult to get further away from the truth. The migrants who come to this country are among the weakest members of our community. They are used for cheap wages, distrusted by huge portions of the indigenous population and vilified by the media.

To pretend they are wielding power over the white working class is a laughable piece of fantasy.

Those at the top of the party understand this, of course.

They use it to fuel fear and distrust on our streets........."

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 11:26 PM

Thanks Richard.

I agree Ollie. The interwebnet is global, the problem is global. The resistance should be global.

Let them meet a brick wall - it'll hurt them more than it hurts us. Those with the hearts will always have the music, and they can't take our hearts.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 04:15 PM

As I've posted, else where, Smokey, racism is a world wide problem, the BNP and its Lakies/toadies/hangers on are but one symptom., so the more people from whichever nation or country you belong to, join in, the greater the unity against fascism.

Stand and be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
REALLY uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 03:52 PM

Good shot Smokey!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 01:04 PM

We crossed there Ollie, sorry. I think it's important for any Americans reading to be able to fully appreciate the BNP's opinion of them though. They're only exercising their right to free speech after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 12:58 PM

Nice.
Did you study polotics?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 12:52 PM

I wonder if Joe/clone could remove that Guest's post, it's serving no useful purpose other than to show the persons anti-Americanism

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
Canadian now resident in England

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 11:38 AM

"Richard, they were Data Protection Act charges"
- Owen Woodson

There's going to have to be an awful lot of people charged *LOL* I mean how many people have copied that list? I now I sent number of people a copy, plus I have a copy....It's just like those Ukranian dolls, you open one and there's another inside.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
lists of lists

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 11:29 AM

Richard, they were Data Protection Act charges.

I have to say that, while the list has been extremely useful to those on our side, there can't be many bigger acts of skunkery than for someone to publish the personal details of all their former mates on the Internet purely because they fell out with the leadership.

"What's that slithering along on its belly?" Dunno, but it can't be a BNP member. They usually sink a lot lower than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 11:06 AM

Were those charges the Data Protection Act charges, or were they charges of benefit fraud?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 10:25 AM

Following the posting of the BNP membership list on the Internet last year, former member Matthew Single has been fined £200 at Nottingham Magistrates court, and ordered to pay £100 costs. Charges against his wife, Sadie Graham-Single were dropped.

The judge said: "It comes as no surprise to me that somebody to do with an organisation that prides itself on Britishness is in fact living off the British people on Job Seeker's Allowance and that is why the fine is so low as to be ridiculous."

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 03:09 PM

"Maggie Thatcher?"
-theleveller

I din't know Grantham was a foreign country...

I'll get my hat...

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: theleveller
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:50 PM

"It was an illegal black smelly ragheaded immigrant who shut down the mines, dismantled our manufacturing industry, and collapsed the financial system, wasn't it?"


Maggie Thatcher?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 12:10 PM

"- They take our jobs. Guilty as charged. It was an illegal black smelly ragheaded immigrant who shut down the mines, dismantled our manufacturing industry, and collapsed the financial system, wasn't it?"

Yes, anyone who bares the slightest grudge against migrant workers, would do well to consider this.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 11:57 AM

GUEST,hardy
Oh look another alias added to the long list*LOL* Yes Sam or whatever you're calling yourself this, I'm back, after a very constructive weekend at an anti-racist conference. It was realy rather enlightening and useful in the light of the problem with the BNP and it's lackies/toadies/hangers-on. Useful information copied to my laptop to be used once I return to England.

By the by, thanks to those who constructed the facebook profile, it was a riot to look at it, I' personally, not a member of facebook, but a friend is so I was able to view the hilarious efforts of those with waaaayyyyyy too much time on their hands. I do have one thing to say to you. GET A FRIGGEN JOB and stop living off the backs of the decent, hardworking folk out there!

Stand and Be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson
REALLY uppity "Inian" chick

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 10:57 AM

Sorry about that, wrong key - please delete the above.
Leadfingers - it was! The Sun used to be the 'Daily Herald', a ( or the) Labour supporting paper before the Dirty Digger took it over. I don't suppose its readers had noticed! It's probably neither left nor right in the strict sense but more what we might call populist.
Left and right defies definition I always think and their extremes bend round to meet each other. A local factory recently made all their British workers redundant and then hired Polish workers at a lower hourly rate and with no or little industrial rights. The Poles were greatly resented; an attitude fueled by the Right although the British workers were naturally Left supporters. Were the British workers rascist? The Poles were a soft target, those who allowed this situation to develop were not. These paradoxes are brought out in some of Phil Och's songs as well as in the film 'Matewan', when the striking miners attack the Black and Italian 'scabs' who are brought in by the mine owners.
Doc John

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 10:44 AM

I've just found the following on the BNP's website. It's about a donation which a BNP member has made to the British Legion. Given that the BNP are the biggest collection of liars since Goebells, there is probably a lot more more to the story than this. Does anyone know any more?

British Legion Agrees to Take BNP Member's Money after All
August 30, 2009 by BNP News   
Filed under BNP Party News, Regional News
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The Royal British Legion has announced that it will accept money donated to it by a British National Party member's fundraising efforts after previously announcing to great media fanfare that it would not.

BNP Member Rachel Firth has spent 24 hours inside a cardboard box this weekend to highlight the plight of ex-service personnel who are forced to sleep rough.

By doing so, she has raised money which she will now divide equally between the BNP and the RBL.

Ms Firth told BNP News that she was happy to learn that the RBL had reversed their decision.

"My intention was never to make the BNP 'look good' on a sponsorship form next to the Royal British Legion. The BNP does not need a reason to look good," she said. "It does that all by itself.

"It is just that the two causes are close to my heart. My father and late grandfather both served their country.

"I have only been a member of the BNP for a few months now and have seen more honest, decent, caring folk in those few months than I have seen in my lifetime," Ms Firth said.

"This experience has given me more determination and courage to do all I can for the BNP," she concluded.

Earlier this month, the RBL said it would not accept the money because she planned to give half of it the BNP. However, the RBL announced late last week that its decision had been reversed.

A spokesman said the RBL had originally thought the donation was being made on a political basis — and the money could therefore not be accepted.

"The situation is different with Rachel," the RBL spokesman said. "She is an individual raising funds for her favoured causes and wants to split those funds between the causes. We have no problem with this," he said, adding that they had spoken to Ms Firth and explained the confusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 10:43 AM