BS: Legal action over BNP membership

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:22 AM

"Billy, these were Joe's rules, not mine. I imagine it will be dealt with shortly."
- Shelly Rose aka GUEST,Sam

You can only wish...by the way nice bottle blonde job, Shelly, my compliments to your hair dresser*LOL*

and this fron Shelly Rose, just to show what "charming" person she REALLY is.

On 27th November 2008 Rose – worker at a Luton furniture company - showed that she was capable of spreading similar lies. On Facebook, when describing why she was boycotting Tescos (once owned by Jewish people) she said:

"They want to take over the world, all the other shops even supermarkets seem to have some regard for local produce and the country. Tesco's are on their own agenda. They will destroy all business around them, unless people refuse to shop there. I would rather put myself out and pay a bit more at a smaller local shop, than line the pockets of the *KIKES* that run Tesco."
Three Counties Unity

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
Uppity "Indian"

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:11 AM

My gosh how awful. You have a 21 year old child who some very evil people took away from you and this is all you have to say to her

don't listen then to any reason, just go ahead and keep shouting ... and when nothing changes and you lose more and more of your kids then you can look at yourself also

I done with this thread for sure. Good luck to you, I can see you already have all the answers

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Billy Suggers
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:09 AM

Your appeals might carry a tad more weight if you actually joined, Sam.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: theleveller
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:07 AM

Olddude, we're not dealing with children here; we're talking of adults who, as they are over the age of 18, are entitled to vote. My experience has been that by the time people have reached this age they have formed opinions of their own, no matter how misguided these may appear to others.

I believe that we need to show them that, as fascists and Nazis, they will be ostracised, isolated, ridiculed and excluded from the society of civilised people. Instead, they will have, as their companions, a bunch of unintelligent, unattractive and ignorant outsiders who suffer from a range of mental and social disorders. They will be judged by the company they keep and, if they sleep with pigs, they're going to wake up stinking of shit.

Time, hopefully, will show them how misguided they are.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 09:41 AM

"Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Sam - PM
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 09:34 AM

Joe Offer made it VERY CLEAR there would only be ONE BNP thread on mudcat, currently there are THREE (including Richard's ego driven paraniod one). Would someone please remove two as Joe requested.

Thank you

What's the matter, dearie, feeling a wee bit insecure, are we, with all the justified attacks on your racist, anti-semetic, homophobic friends?
Well, you know what? That's just TOO bad, if you don't like it, go away!

Stand and Be Counted!
Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
Uppity "Indian"

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:35 AM

If you think you can defeat hate with insults or other words of hate you have already lost this battle. Countering hate with hate is like dumping gas on a fire. Now these are your children, your young people. They have become victims of some very clever very evil adults who have sold them a message that is completely wrong for their own power and greed. Now ask yourself how do you counter this. Not with insults, they will dig their heels in an say see our leaders were right. You counter it by showing them the lie that has been sold to them with understand, compassion and discipline.

Most of you are old enough to know that. These young people are little more than children. The leaders of this movement know exactly what to say exactly how to reel them in, little by little until they are trapped. You better figure out what you can do to offset this message and prove to them how wrong it really is. Insults and hate only reaffirms the message they have already been sold. Your young people, your children who have been brought into this are not evil, they are confused, they are being used and manipulated. Unless you understand that you will accomplish nothing and will play right into the hands of those who would steal your children from you. That is exactly what they are doing. Your children in this movement are victims, now stop your insults and figure out what message you will tell you children so they understand how wrong this is

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 06:32 AM

I made one big mistake in a previous post which was to imply that Bruce is not sincere.

I don't agree with his methods, and I don't like his aggression, but I do not doubt that he feels very strongly on these issues too.

I believe that he would not have been cloned if he had not been so easy to provoke and his sensitivity and readiness to anger are exactly what inspired the BNP to clone him etc.

I believe that we will see him on here again stronger than ever and that he will add to the many useful funny and interesting posts that in fact constitute the majority of his contributions.


Take care folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 06:22 AM

Shelley Rose has 115 'friends' on Facebook including many known BNP activists like David Exley, David Hannam, Mark Collett, Mark Walker, Simon Darby and Joey Smith from Great White Shark records etc...

Thanks for the list Shelley - it's good to know which other, not quite so 'public' people, on Facebook to watch out for.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: theleveller
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 04:26 AM

LOL! Shelley Rose – another hilarious BNP joke. The photograph sums it up – a vacant-looking girl clinging on to a sweaty, slobbering fat git on one side and on the other side to an ugly little self-confessed Nazi who, despite describing gay people as "aids monkeys", "bum bandits" and "faggots", once asked a male journalist if the camera crew that was filming him would like to film him naked.

The funniest part is that these people actually have delusions of adequacy. You couldn't make it up!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 12:48 AM

I know you think you have it all figured out, At your age we all did, thought we had life all figured out also. But I can tell you that most of us have socks older than you ... and we still haven't figured out life. But what we have figured out is right and wrong. You are letting these SOB's rob you of your before you even have it started. Walk away Shelley, do your music, find your friends and walk away from this ... it only ends bad ...

I done with my rant

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 12:25 AM

And I listened to your music on youtube, there is talent there, you could do something with it. You are surrounded by a sea of world class songwriters and musicians that would help you grow as a musician. But young lady you are letting these people sell you a bill of hate and take away everything that you could become. You could make music that could move people, write songs that would make people happy and smile in this life. But you choose to hang out with these people who only want to destroy you. Hate ends badly little girl ... always .. you cannot go after others without losing a part of yourself and your soul in the process. Just take a time out and listen to people much older and have walked many more miles of life than you have ... There is a whole lot more in this life than blaming others for the way the world is. You see they are not the problem, it is these people who sell you this line of hate that is the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 11:07 PM

They are using you Shelly, they will tell you it is for the good of your country, they will use the love you have for your country to advance their own agenda, for their own greed their own power. Then you wake up and look at yourself in the mirror and no longer know who that person is any more. That is what hate does, it takes away everything you love everything you care about and pretty soon it leaves you alone with only the hate. You make me cry, you can stand up and say I am not going to live my life this way any more. You can change it but that decision is your and yours alone. You don't know me but this is perhaps the most important few lines you will ever read. It always ends bad young lady ... you have your whole life waiting for you ... you can change your country and you can change the world one person at a time, but you can do it in a manner that will make yourself and others proud to know you can call you their friend. These people are not your friends .. they care nothing about you ... only want to use you. Stop it please, I have seen it a thousand times before with gangs and there is no difference here, none. Don't throw away your life for this, you are worth so much more.

In my prayers
Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 10:27 PM

thanks BOBAD. i still haven't got how to do them.

nice words dan, we can but hope.

why is it that you are so scared of some people that you hate them so much shelley?
who has taught you to fear change instead of embrassing it?

my last question is, why do you blame minorities for every problem you see in the world?

sweet dreams all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 10:22 PM

In a heart there can be no room for love and for hate. Hate always wins always wins. Until it consumes and leave nothing left but an empty shell of a person. A beautiful young girl with your whole life ahead of you, I can only ask why ... what would bring you to hating others so. It is wrong ... so very wrong .. and your whole life ahead of you ...
I can only ask God to show you what is really important in this life. You see every one of us is in this thing together, no matter our color or our race ... you make me want to cry actually

I am so sorry for you young lady ... you deserve better in this life than to live it with fear and hate ... it is not too late to change, the nice thing about living is you can make mistakes and correct them. please stop before it consumes you and everything you care about.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 10:09 PM

As another North American who is a member of Folk Against Fascism, I co-sign what Smokey wrote on 26 Aug 09 - 08:29 PM.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: bobad
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 10:05 PM

Try this link for Shelley Rose

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 09:40 PM

i have no idea on what thread i regarded the troll as being just a wind up merchants. i do believe that they started out that way but the baton seems to have been passed to shelley, aka sam who is a true member of the BNP.

for my instant dismissals of this..    I AM SORRY.

this is an article on shelley.

http://threecountiesunity.blogspot.com/2009/05/shelley-rose-bnp-candidate-for.htm

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Smokey.
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 08:29 PM

Regarding the criticism of Peace's involvement here, I would respectfully suggest that we should be united in our stand against the filth of fascism, rather than bickering over who has more right to be offended by it. Peace has every right to protest as a member of this forum and one who has been maligned. It doesn't matter where anyone comes from; the whole planet needs to be rid of nationalism, fascism, and the type of mindless political ideals driving the likes of the BNP. It's not a British problem, it's a global one, and always has been. The BNP is just one (pathetic, in my opinion) symptom of a far greater disease. I hope the proposed legal action through the U.S. courts is a resounding success.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 07:56 PM

same bloke Jack!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 07:47 PM

However the legal action is already being criticized by a Daily Telegraph journalist Gerald Warner lauded for his criticism of Obama by Michael Savage (who has been placed on a list of people banned from entering the UK) on his radio show

He's working for them now? Warner used to be the Scotsman's pet right-wing loony, writing Catholic-fascist pieces in praise of General Franco. If he still lives in Edinburgh, I note that there is only one G Warner listed as living in the city, and the address fits a person like that, though I'd kinda expect him to be ex-directory.

Warner's other thing was frothing-at-the-mouth homophobia. The local gay press referred to him as "Geraldine". I could ask what they knew about him.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 07:32 PM

""Well Don, that is one way to dress over it.""

When I WANT your opinion, I'll help you to figure out what it is. Till then, P**s Off!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 06:47 PM

Oh, I'm SURE 'she' has a Mudcat Member 'friend'. NOT all just 'her'

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 06:32 PM

Sam or whatever its name is, is still too cowardly to sign on to Mudcat, as a member, so therefore anything it says really has no credibility at all. Aminor talent for cutting and pasting articles is about all it has going for it.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 06:14 PM

""For one thing, Bruce...it's an ENGLISH PROBLEM. You are NOT English. Why not fight wars in YOUR home country for the issues there?""


It is true however, that Peace is one of those most persistently impersonated by the BNP drones on Farcebook. It seems that the BNP haven't noticed he's a "danged furriner", and in their not unusual sublime ignorance, continue to MAKE it his business.

Peace doesn't always pick up on ALL the subtleties of British English, and as a result, sometimes gets the wrong end of the stick, misunderstanding what exactly is meant, but, after several years of correspondence, I assure you his heart is in the right place.

It takes all sorts to make a Mudcat.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 05:39 PM

When it comes to the slimy opportunism of the right however, and their snivelling attempts to take advantage of the situation, I am quite willing to take the time to let them know that their attempts to ingratiate themselves with me are utterly pointless.


Sorry Sam but you'll have to buy your own.


OldDude, your information and advice iis extremely useful and helpful. I hope you do not hesitate to contribute further if and when you have something you wish to add.


Bobad, I suggest you learn to read critically (that means so that you understand the meaning of the sentences people have written) and in context (that means reading all the posts and not selecting just one or two) before you comment.


To the rest of the Cat and to "peace", I'm sorry for the severity of my words, it was in the heat of the moment and a personal matter though I don't think I could have approached it any other way.

Take care folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 05:37 PM

Sorrreee.....Shelley Rose....http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000137986609


THAT is our lovely guest Sam. Trust me.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 05:32 PM

That, Madame 'Sam' I think you LIE about. You are nothing but a 'ghost' and not worth my time. Boring....So, go 'clone' me...and I'll report it. SORCHA is NOT a BNP supporter in any way.


Get a LIFE Shelly.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 05:28 PM

"I think we have to make allowances Lox, Bruce tends to enjoy a nightcap or two around this time ;)"
- GUEST,Sam

Damn I have something on the bottom of my shoe that needs scrapping off...yech...!!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
(uppity "Indian")

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: bobad
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 05:22 PM

Yeah, those damned colonials are getting uppity again, sticking their noses in the motherland's business - still haven't learned the art of being seen and not heard.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 05:13 PM

well said lox!!

what i meant last post is that if others were to concentrate on the things that are wrong in their own areas of the world we could tackle these problems in a much bigger way, and that i think, is what sorcha was saying too.


take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 05:02 PM

Well hate is an international problem, but I do have a lot of confidence in the good people of Great Britain to do the right things. We have more than our share of hate groups in America. I made some suggestions for those who have been targeted on facebook that at least with an American company you do have some legal recourse. However this is a British problem and ultimately will be solved by the good people of GB. You have some wonderful British songwriters, get busy in song also. Me I am done with my comments since I cannot do anything to help you other than suggest using the American courts if you were slandered by an American company (facebook) likewise I do think you need to target the web with your information on the group. Top position in UK Google doesn't hurt at all since far more people are on the web vs mudcat. Also their are political forums that you should be visiting and putting the word out. Lots of newgroups on British politics also. Good luck and god speed to you

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 05:00 PM

"Bloodstreaked he stands on the shoulders of his British brethren"
- Lox

gawd, there's purple prose for ya...

Harlequin Romances are always on the look out for writers

Charlotte Olivia Robertson

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:57 PM

As for abuse, Lox, prove it.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:56 PM

Yeah. You're not alone in that, Lox.

"Your new political reality." ??

They have been around you for years in one form or other. Why now and not then?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:51 PM

Sorry, I cant let that go ... so ...



What a surprise!


Peace (the poster with the ironic name) is hurling more Macho abuse at yet another innocent bystander.

Like the incredible hulk - only bright red - having a big tantrum.

Grrrrrr......

I'll swear if I want to - and you can't make me stop!!!


The point here is that "peace" wants to be the centre of attention in these discussions and does not care whether he adds or detracts from them.

He is loving the fact that he was singled out on facebook as it has given him an excuse to insult whoever he chooses and to make whatever glib point he likes and suddenly, the great hero/victim is right at the heart of the whole debate.

Bloodstreaked he stands on the shoulders of his British brethren, undeterred by the Nazi assault, his teeth gritted with grim determination to face the next barrage ...

... its like Bruce Willis against Alan Rickman in diehard ...

Yippee-kay-ay ... etc ...



Sorcha is quite cleaarly trying to address the fact that "Peace" has no right to go round abusing Brits who hate the BNP without provocation and has no right to act as though it is an issue that is somehow owned by him.


His self righteous narcissism is boring and I generally scroll past it nowadays.

Here in Britain, we are trying to have a genuine discussion about how to deal with our new political reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:43 PM

Well here is another suggestion. There are more than a few exceptional song writers on mudcat. A few good songs wouldn't hurt either. As Ron Bankley said, say it in music cause you can never underestimate how it moves people. If they want folk involvement, well I am sure this is the place to oblige them.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:36 PM

now where were we...?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:35 PM

But I STILL say we should ALL focus our efforts where it will do the MOST good.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:29 PM

Oh all right then....I stand corrected. My HUGEST apologies.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:26 PM

A very isolationist attitude.

Fine, then let the rest of us get on with it, including those who don't reside in Britain, for as has been noted the lat time fascism got out of hand, it became a world-wide problem.
It was the johnny-come - latelies (Sunday, December 7, 1941)who sat back and watched GB and Britain get the crap beaten out of them by the aforementioned fascist countries, and then rode in...well the rest, unfortunately is history.

Stand and Be Counted!
Charlotte Olivia Robertson

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:24 PM

i really didn't think my request was that bad. thanks richard, i don't mean that to sound like i am not behind you all the way , but it is getting confusing as to where to look for the latest of your' triumphs, and i would like to keep following your' progress.

evryone has to do their bit, where ever we are BUT this mud slinging will not do anyone any good, lets be grown ups and just keep to the subject shall we?

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:19 PM

I'll join you, Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:18 PM

Bullshit, Sorcha. You speak just like people who said that the European Nazis had nothing to do with us. Lady, they would have had EVERYTHING to do with us and you'd be speaking German now had people seen things your way.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:17 PM

thank you Richard - as the OP I appreciate that

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:16 PM

Weel, quietly and calmly, I thought that the potential other legal issues about the BNP might suit here. But if not, no sweat, I will keep those interested posted either individually or on the Fakebook or Real Richard Bridge threads.

AFAIK, last time fascism got out of hand it proved to be a global problem. Pearl Harbour, Sorcha?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:14 PM

Oh for gods sake, Ollie. You have NO idea if I'm standing or not. All I'm saying is that we should ALL fight it WHERE we are BEST ABLE.....I have NO stroke in England...nor does Bruce. Our opinions on ENGLISH or BRITISH politics have NO meaning whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:06 PM

"For one thing, Bruce...it's an ENGLISH PROBLEM. You are NOT English. Why not fight wars in YOUR home country for the issues there?"
-Sorcha

Just because Bruce isn't English doesn't mean he can't take an interest in the issue, so perhaps if you don't like it, Sorcha, you should stay out of it, we don't need this sort of parochialist attitude, it's distracting from the main issue and that is, just in case you've forgotten, Legal action over BNP membership...

Stand and Be Counted!
Charlotte Olivia Robertson

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:49 PM

For one thing, Bruce...it's an ENGLISH PROBLEM. You are NOT English. Why not fight wars in YOUR home country for the issues there?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:46 PM

"Legal action over BNP membership"

1) There will be legal action taken against the BNP and some of its members

2) You didn't die and become the queen

3) I don't know what's up yer nose, but please leave it there

4) I did NOT object that the thread-starter (a friend of mine) said nothing. It's her call to make, not yours

S'long.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:43 PM

It's really not the BNP's week

It was reported today that they face possible prosecution over failing to meet other legal requirements

"The BNP are facing huge fines and possible prosecution after they failed to submit records of donations.

The party faced an unprecedented warning from the head of the Electoral Commission after they also failed to submit their annual accounts to the watchdog, as required by electoral law.

Mystery surrounds how the BNP funded their European election campaign, which resulted in record gains for the party including the election of two MEPs.

Peter Wardle, the chief executive, issued a stark warning to the party

'We have not yet received a donation return for this quarter from the British National Party. This comes on top of their failure to deliver their latest annual statement of accounts to the Commission. This is unacceptable and the party will be issued with fines for both reporting failures. We will also be assessing the systems they have in place to ensure compliance with the law.' "

From Times Online August 26, 2009