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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Aug 10 - 10:12 PM The words "What a load of fuckin' bullshit" keep coming to mind at every Pissant post.................... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:59 PM Again nothing wrong with professionals just wrong to consume all available public funds and exploit volunteers. There should be enough private events and venues available. Ok smokey ask again.... Put the buskers on stage Nothing wrong with that. Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Smokey. Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:54 PM Oh, and you haven't answered any of my questions yet. |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Smokey. Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:53 PM Musicians who rely on donations rather than charge fees are usually called buskers. Nothing wrong with that, but I've yet to hear one slagging off professionals for what they do. |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:40 PM We could have a folk club on every block and people looking for folk performers for all of their social events. We do not. With more appreciation of the music will come more demand more venues to make money and more private events. Has to work. Glad to hear of free folk events. Had I more time I would do a web page listing them as I do now for wassail. Keep up the good work. But, still needs to expand. I drive to events with the car with gas paid for by the occasional donation not a fee. As I say....build something someone appreciate and they will throw money and they do. I dont have to charge a fee. I have a collection slot on all my vehicles. All comes from appreciation of the art. As it will from a greater appreciation of the folk music. Professional musicians charging fees benefit from scarcity. Simple economics. Keep your product scarce and you will get more money and more work. So they are naturally opposed to more performers, charging nothing serving more individuals which will mean greater competition which they would naturally avoid. There is no reason you have to pay for music. I think that is clear. Simply sitting there playing or singing in itself has no cost. If I publish a book I have to print it. So there are absolute costs. I can sit down and play a tune anytime and no money changes hands. Immagine that. And I would rather think of it as music than monetary value. I guess some out there count the coins while playing....but why? Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Don Firth Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:29 PM I seriously doubt that professional singers running around anywhere and everywhere singing for no pay will increase general interest in folk music any more than what is being done already in most areas of the country. As far as my area is concerned, I have said repeatedly here that the annual Northwest Folklife Festival features both amateur and professional musicians who volunteer their time and talent for this event, and it is free to the public at large. And it draws hundreds of thousands of people. I do not see that it needs to be supplemented by a whole bunch of similar free events in order to enlarge the audience for folk music. What you will wind up with is an army of former professional singers, many of whom already have to hold down "day jobs" so they can keep singing, who can no longer afford to sing at all. If you give it away, then why should people ever pay to hear someone sing folk songs? And the lack of pay, with the resultant diminution of the number of people able to make a living from their singing (and who thus have the time and energy to devote to developing their talent and skills), will eventually lower the general quality of performance. Considering the number of people who show up at house concerts, performances at coffeehouses and other clubs, and who buy CDs of singers at many of these events, I don't see that doing a lot of free events will substantially increase attendance—or interest in folk music. Most folk music events around here are well attended, and some are SRO. Can't do much better than that. So why screw with it? Oh! I almost forgot! Because Conrad doesn't want to have to pay to go to anything! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Smokey. Date: 30 Aug 10 - 08:12 PM So how do the other cars get to the events, and who pays for the fuel? |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:46 PM I drive them one at a time generally. Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Smokey. Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:26 PM Who pays for the fuel for four cars? I can barely afford to run one. You've not answered my other questions yet.. |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:20 PM Okay everybody......I see that Conrad has to approve our ways of living and all soI think we need a list of approved jobs. Conrad.......Who should get paid in Pissant World if anyone? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:15 PM I live on money-not much and lots of smiles from free donation of music, storytelling and art car experiences. -lecturing, teaching, writing and selling books, google ads (truly amazing) occasional artcar donations. I haul free firewood from the dump to heat the house..... Nothing wrong with making a living its how you do so that matters. There is an important role for folk musician pros to play its just not at public events proclaiming the spreading of music and expansion of participation because....charging money limits those goals. Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:11 PM looks like its working so will continue yes artcars are amzing. I carry copies of the laws all the time to be ready if stopped and this happens periodically. I never charge the officers for the education in the law. Everything is legal. Never a citation or fine. Lots of similes and congratulations, thumbs up and photo ops. I never charge, drive all four artcars as daily drivers and have no plain cars. Would not have one! I only charge- donation basis for private events or events far out of town Try making and driving art. truly amazing. Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:08 PM I shall wait a moment but two posts before the last one did not make it those assisting drs and lawyers in their offices are paid as they help them to make money those helping folk musicians and organizers make money are called volunteers they dont get paid something is very wrong with this picture. Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:06 PM posts not posting |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Smokey. Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:01 PM So, what do you actually live on, Conrad? And you've not answered my other question yet.. |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Don Firth Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:55 PM By the way, Conrad, I don't know how things are in your neck of the woods, but a lot of the grunt-work at the Northwest Folklife Festivals is, indeed, handled by unpaid voluteers, including, as I have pointed out several times before, the singers and other musicians. Nobody holds a gun to their heads and forces them to volunteer. (Look up "volunteer" in a good dictionary.) #### AND ALSO by the way, nurses and secretaries DO get paid. A young woman I was dating in college, in addition to going to school, was a secretary by trade. She was getting paid well enough to live off-campus and pay her college tuition. My mother was a nurse. And my younger sister was also a nurse. This required four years of college, and they definitely got paid by the doctors for whom they worked. Salaries for nurses and receptionist is part of a doctor's overhead, and the costs are passed on to the patients. Ever take a couse in economics? Or business management? I didn't think so. So I reiterate jeffp's question: "Where do you get the idiotic idea that secretaries and nurses work for free?" Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:53 PM the key word is "occasional" Again I am not attacking professionals here. There is room for them to make their living. It is just not in the area of public events which claim to help make music accessible to the public. Such events tend to be interested more in finding money. When free folk expands the market will expand vastly. Professionals are needed to address the additional demand. For example- in ancient times the harper worked for his patron at the court. Generally a private position. The ordinary people played whenever and non-professionally. Occasionally at a wedding a professional might be hired but not for everyday music or for public music that was community based. These days musicians demanding money and volunteeers descend upon our community which is reduced to taking grant funding from the mouths of the hungry and unemployed to feed the folk musicians pockets. When free folk expands the market there will be much more demand for private events. The larger net will feed all. Artcars are amazing. I have four and drive them daily. For free! People smile and are delighted and the world is changed for the better. I dont think of this in monetary terms I make what I can make and make it availale for free. I do the local festivals for free always. The key word is always. Occasionally I will accept a small donation for special private sort of events. Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Don Firth Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:36 PM Conrad: "Yes I do [practice?] what I preach including hold[ing] several free events each year." So do I, Conrad. I sing a number of benefits every year, occasionally sing at retirement homes, the occasional fund-raiser for good causes, and elsewhere. The annual Northwest Folklife Festival is free to the public, and there, I sing and participate in workshops without being paid, as do all the other performers. I also sing appropriate songs at the Christmas Eve candlelight service at the church my wife and I attend. "The Virgin Mary," "Down in Yon Forest," "I Wonder as I Wander," and occasionally I do a duet with someone of "Silent Night," accompanying it on the guitar like the first time it was ever performed, as a duet, at—appropriately enough, perhaps—the Church of St. Nicholas in Oberndorf, Austria at midnight mass on December 24th, 1818, after being written by Fr. Joseph Mohr and headmaster Franz Gruber. We sing the first verse in the original German, then repeat it in English, singing the rest of it in English. The congregation rather likes that, especially. It's the pay I earn singing elsewhere that allows me to do the benefits and freebies. #### I wonder that you can drive your "art cars," Conrad. It would seem to me that the geegaws glued to the hood would obscure your vision for driving and the stuff on the trunk lid would render the rear-view mirror useless. Have you ever driven past a police squad car in one of your "art cars?" What the police do then might be an educational (and possibly expensive) experience for you! I see the occasional "art car" driving around Seattle. But not very often. Quite seldom, in fact. Once I was parked in a supermarket parking lot while my wife was in the store when a car parked next to mine. It had bobblehead dolls and action figures affixed to the hood. Little critters no more than about six inches tall. I recognized baseball player Ken Griffey, Jr., Seattle's super-librarian and book reviewer Nancy Pearl (author of Book Lust and others), and such characters as Batman (cape fluttering in the breeze), Darth Vader, a couple of G. I. Joes in different outfits, I think, and perhaps a Barbie or two. There were perhaps a dozen or more. But distributed so they didn't really obscure the drivers' view (although I think I would have found all those wobbling heads a bit distracting). I made some comment to the woman who emerged from the car, and she smiled and said, "Oh, it's just a bit of fun. I have a whole lot more at home and I change the dramatis personae from time to time." Well, yeah, it was kinda cute. #### Here's a good way to discover if you have the potential to become a professional. Sing (or do whatever you do) for free for awhile. Then, after a brief pause (but not long enough for people to forget you), sing (or do whatever you do) in a situation where people have to pay to hear you sing (or do whatever you do). If they still come, then you're in. If not, maybe you'd better go looking for a job. [Repeat after me: "Do you want fries with that?"] The first television series I did in 1959 ("Ballads and Books" on KCTS-TV, Seattle's new educational channel, now a PBS affiliate) was funded by the Seattle Public Library, but since the station was brand new and barely struggling by, Patti McLaughlin and I did the series for free. Shortly after the series ended, Patti and I were offered a regular job, with pay, singing three evenings a week at "The Place Next Door," one of Seattle's first coffeehouses (and one of the nicer ones in town, almost like a non-alcoholic night club). Patti declined, but I accepted the job. People had had a chance to see and hear me, at no cost. on television. But apparently they liked what they heard well enough so they were willing to pay exhorbitant prices for a cup of specialty coffee (several varieties) and a piece of pastry to sit and listen to me sing. From then on, other jobs, including my first college concerts, grew out of people hearing me at "The Place." So I think I can legitmately think of myself as a "professional." Especially since I was able to make a modest but sufficiently satisfactory income from my singing. Even so, when my schedule allowed, I would often get together for "hoots" with friends. Just for the fun of it, of course. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:29 PM Conrad, ol' buddy... Yer 40 years too late... Folks here been playing 40, 50 years and while most of us would gladly take a short trip back to the 60s on your magic carpet and play fir free - okay, maybe not exactly free but maybe with a couple bowls and a cutie in the tent - we ain't gonna take you up on it until you can guarentee safe passage back to 2010 and a picture of what you consider a 60s cutie... Until then, pee in the cup, son... Somethin' is seriously ascew in yer thinkerator... B~ |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:12 PM Lets see you go to the dentist. Ok now before you see the dr you will be doing an hour or so of desk work then two hours of clean up and maybe then he will see you thats how it is for volunteers at folk festival events and sometimes they cant even hear the performer that they would want to hear because the operations are so dependent on volunteer staffing. Just do it folks! Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:09 PM well its like this.... folk musicians are supported by hundreds of volunteers-the folk musician comes to town and they need an army of volunteers to support them. What a racket! Where would anyone get the idiotic reason that that is some how justified any more than it would be to have doctors being assisted by volunteers? I was just using drs etc as an analogy. We have got it wrong. Everyone including musicians need to serve the music instead of the money. Yes it can be done. Next time a folk musician comes to town or for that matter a festival organizer simply say either we all get paid or we all volunteer thats it. Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: jeffp Date: 30 Aug 10 - 05:13 PM Where do you get the idiotic idea that secretaries and nurses work for free? |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 05:09 PM So I walk into my Doctors office and there they are- secretaries working for free, nurses working for free without them the doctor just couldn't function. I think the entire folk industry has it wrong. There is nothing wrong or impossible about having festivals where everyone volunteers. If you are dedicated to the music and traditions that is what will occur. If you are dedicated to moneymaking and greed well then full steam ahead. You are only making access to the music more difficult. Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Bettynh Date: 30 Aug 10 - 03:42 PM Since the first definition of a professional is "one who is paid for his/her work" how can you complain if professional musicians are paid? Of course, you've already answered your own questions so I suppose I can't expect a reply. |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Aug 10 - 03:40 PM SING AND SHIT AT CONRAD'S PLACE FOR FREESING AND FUCK AT CONRAD'S PLACEFOR FREESING AND PISS ON DUMB FUCKIN' CARS AT CONRAD'S PLACEFOR FREESING AND GET YOUR HAT BLOWN AT CONRAD'S PLACEFOR FREESING AND TOSS YOUR COOKIES FROM HIS B.O. AT CONRAD'S PLACEFOR FREE |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Bettynh Date: 30 Aug 10 - 03:38 PM "What other professional walks into a festival or business setting which is basically run by volunteers to return after a short appearance on stage with a big check." Sarah Palin, for one. Or many politicians, preachers, authors, economists, ecologists, you name the agenda. I'll bet they all get paid more than most musicians or storytellers, though. |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 03:25 PM What other professional walks into a festival or business setting which is basically run by volunteers to return after a short appearance on stage with a big check. Answer is nobody and it should not be so for professional musicians either. Why can everyone volunteer no reason right? haven't heard of any. It can happen! stop the excuses Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Bettynh Date: 30 Aug 10 - 12:42 PM OK, Conrad, talk about your storytelling. I love a good storyteller and they're few and far between. Willie Claflin mentioned last spring in a storytelling event that there are only about 60 professional (as in making a living only by telling) tellers in this country. Frankly, on consideration, I'm surprised there ARE that many. It's not a big field. You said, "This is particularly true for storytellers. I can tell one of the big leaders wondrous stories for hours with approvial but they still want me to sit at their feet an evening a month before you get any where near a stage. Always scares them to run into tellers at the professional level who just happen to get in through the back door of a venue. I came to learn that the best venues are not formal stages but people in line for the restroom who really need a few good short stories. Grand applause all the time." Tell away. If people come to love your stories AND YOUR DELIVERY enough, maybe someday you'll be paid for it. |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: LesB Date: 30 Aug 10 - 12:18 PM If Conrad, or anyone doesn't like paying to watch folk music. Don't! Just don't go. Leave it alone for the rest of us that live in the real world. I assume he doesn't pay taxes because he doen't believe in them, or pay for food, power etc. Do what you wanna do. Just don't expect me do do the same. Cheers Les |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 11:11 AM If I can do it anyone can do it. It is amazing how professional musicians have manipulated the market. They get volunteers to do everything then waltz into town play for a half hour maybe less after infinite tuning then take off |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 30 Aug 10 - 08:49 AM Artcars! Glad you asked. We drive our artcars every day for FREE (that is as if a professional musician played music all day every day for FREE.) We do not charge for local festivals. That is as if a professional artist always did all local events absolutely free. The only events we need money for are those requiring us to go far away and even then all we ask for is basic coverage of expenses not profit. Glad you had fun with the artcars. By the way I generally play music and do storytelling while at festivals always FREE. Yes I do what I preach including hold several free events each year. And I would never object to someone who can not come to an event because of a conflict. I object to a person who RSVPs and then doesnt show and then cites that they have to go to some poorly researched contrived commercial event. We always have a good number of musicians in attendance. Our events are also 100% well researched traditional. No crap. Conrad |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Bobert Date: 30 Aug 10 - 08:24 AM Thanks, Spawzer, for the link... They say that a picture tells a thousand words and this goes well over the thousand and explains everything... B~ |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:08 AM Oh, No - I killed Kenny! |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:24 PM Sorry Spaw, probably none left by the time he gets here ... Gillard pledges cash for clunkers scheme :-) |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:22 PM Maybe you could give him a clapped out Holden Camira he could decorate while he was there and bring home to sell! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:19 PM "The best way to support the arts is to go directly to the artist. " .... and avoid the Taxman... |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:16 PM Probably not? Ah, but it was a good idea... QUOTE Greetings! I am Conrad Bladey. Welcome to my Artcar World! Why would anyone drive a plain car? These pages are about the cars that I drive in the Art that is Life! I am a Visionary Artist. This means that I practice art as life way rather than as commerce. My works derive from ideas or visions which are seriously undertaken. The Culture of art is primary. The Gathering of people, breaking of bread and celebration of life all come before profit. When you see us at events, festivals and parades remember that these folks do not come close to paying our bills. We need your help! The best way to support the arts is to go directly to the artist. Consider making a donation today. UNQUOTE |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:08 PM Actually, I think the cars do look kinda cute... Conrad, would you like to come to the http://www.tcof.com.au/? Your neato cars will fit right in! The Committee is very excited, having looked at your brilliant web page! We have read your "How to help us" info, but would like to stress that this event is an exception! All participants are voluntary, the event just publicizes the Township of Toowoomba in Queensland Australia, so we would not be able to pay anything, sadly even for your traveling costs or accommodation. But in view of the large traveling distance, the Committee has agreed to, as a one off special condition, waive the entrance fee we normally charge. you would be free to sell as much as you want, we would even waive the fee for the table in teh stall holders area. The exposure wold be good for you, especially on the long sea voyage! best Wishes, and hope to see you at the Event! P.S. I do not live in the town, but forwarded this on as a favour ... |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:00 PM LOL....I knew someone would go ahead and read that and I thank you dear Fooles for the posting. I would have thought all that would be free for the benefit of art but I guess I don't understand Conrad's point. It seems that if HE gets the gelt its okay but if I do I'm a jet-set rip-off artist........***sigh****................................ LMAO Spaw |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:49 PM Oh, sorry I should have read it all.. http://mysite.verizon.net/cbladey/artcars/hutmanartcars.html#How to Help Us Don, I think you could take a few tips from this "Experienced Professional"! QUOTE No matter where we go or when we are the parade! We love parades and events. We will go out of our way to try to be at yours. However....we will need your help to pay the bills and keep our cars looking good and on the road. We are not interested in "exposure" just fun. We are there so that those interested in our art can see it up close. Here are our requirements!- Flexible but recommended... 1. We generally come to an event with two to three persons. (they help to set up, move barriers, change tires, move crowds....) Generally events start out early in the morning and go past lunch. Some events last all day. This means that we have to be away from home for breakfast, lunch and dinner. If you have gone out to lunch lately that means a minimum of $8.00 per person per meal. If you are talking festival food (which is for some reason always expensive) it is much more. Add in the necessity for water and cold beverages in the summer.....so lets say $10.00 per person per meal. A parade that ends at noon is two meals as in $20.00 per person minimum two people makes it $40.00. A parade that includes evening will come to $30.00 per person which makes it $60.00. We must also be able to bring in our own coolers with extra food and drink-unless you provide unlimited free food drink, beer, sodas.....) Costs: Breakfast ending at lunch parade $40.00 All day parade/event $60.00 (we charge the same for one as for two or three as may be the case. A bargain!) Tip: Provide basic hospitality, breakfast and food and drink at an event and save this fee. Coffee, Juice, tea, hot chocolate and donuts or bagels for breakfast are often provided by caring event sponsors for their volunteers. Like minded sponsors also get vendors to provide food tickets for lunches or dinners. A hamburger and fries or slice of pizza is generally well within the profit margin calculation of every food provider. The same for drinks. Just don't spill so much beer and soda and you will have all that we require. If you take care of your guests we will be much happier, stay longer, do better etc..... 2. Wear and tear and gas.....Have you looked at the price of gas lately? Have you paid for brake work or a tune up recently? Have you seen how kids act at events these days? We design our cars for the real world but every so often they are over stressed. We also have to put some repairs in to keep on the road. Parades are stressful-the cars get hotter than usual especially if the parade is poorly managed and sits for long periods. For every parade we check the cars over and generally have to glue something here or paint something there. For local events gas is not a big expense. We will top the tank up and that usually runs at least $10.00. For beads, buttons and parts that your spectators will pull off and for that touch up paint we will probably spend about $10.00. Contribution to the next tune up, oil change or brake work well....we will give you a great bargain and only charge $20.00. What does that come to? A bargain at $40.00! (per car) 3. Some people would consider the sacrifice of a day of Summer especially a weekend day priceless......We could be in the sun at the beach rather than waiting to drive in your parade. We could be in the mountains. We really do want to be with you delighting your audience. But....I have to convince my family to give up one of their weekend days. I appreciate your help! So......we will sell the priceless....for $40.00 (per car) Tip: Almost all good event organizers donate us a place to sell things at their event. We sell art car note cards and books. Our sales in this area are not all that good- usually only about $5.00-$20.00 at an event but we try. (actually the note cards are provided as a service and are priced low for those who have forgotten their cameras but want a photo.....) We also do face painting! If you get us a good table in a good area (where we can park the car on display at your event....) and we make more than $40.00 we will refund your $40.00. This is an added bonus because at your event your visitors will enjoy the cars. You will see them taking photos of them. Your guests will be much happier and stay longer and have a better time at your event. 4. Attention evening or late night events. No! we don't enjoy driving home at midnight. Depending on the distance and time of year you will need to make special arrangements for any event that keeps us out well after dark. Most event organizers find that motels will donate rooms to their event to keep us happy and safe. 5. Special Other costs: We will pay no other costs. We will not pay to get in to your event or for any other purpose. 6. Refunds- We turn up unless we are told in person on the phone before we set out (no e.mail) that event is canceled. If we turn up there are no refunds. Refund will be provided less $20.00 inconvenience fee for cancellations occurring with short notice that is less than 24 hours. UNQUOTE Mercenary Bastard! :-) |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:45 PM Hmmmm.. QUOTE How to Help Us to Be Able to Take Part in Your Local Event (These fees are waved for special sponsors-Charles Village Parade and nearby local events!) Note: We are not a rental car company. We are a family that has to take the time to attend your event and keep the bills paid. If we do not charge reasonable fees to cover expenses then we go further into debt. We have been there, done that, no fun! But that said- We will always try to help anyone. The last thing we want to hear is that an event was canceled for one reason or the other BEFORE we were asked to help. If you are having difficulties with finances let us know- RIGHT AWAY! (Local events mean within an hour or so drive of Linthicum Md. 21090 We will consider events further away so be sure to contact us for special needs for those.) Payment is due when we arrive at the event. You can pay us in advance or when we get there. Why?- because we have had people who did not pay us as promised! Yes it happens! UNQUOTE Do as I say, not as I do? |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:44 PM Ah - should have read further before posting.. " Click here for appropriate Music" ... |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Don Firth Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:42 PM Musique concrete? Probably more like musique silly putty. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:41 PM Well Spaw, that solves his Festival Sanitry problems.... And on that line, how do you think the musos sound? |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:39 PM ANother laugher of a thread by the Number 1 Pissant, an asshole who is a few turds shy of a good healthy shit (which he recommends taking behind every bush). BTW, in other threads Conrad hassaid he rarely bathes as well.....Have any of y'all actually read much on his site or checked out some pix there? He has a multitude of crappy sites but basically, THIS is Conrad I notice how the Pissant DOES charge for his fartcars on parade......then again I should also think they could double as porta-potties and let people shit in them. Its obvious that they have already been shit on! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Smokey. Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:34 PM Nah - we're only in it for the money... |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Smokey. Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:33 PM But is it traditional? Do we give a toss? |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:31 PM Now THAT's a sound we could incorporate, if Don is also into musique concrete ... |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: Smokey. Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:29 PM I just tried snorting hot tea backwards - don't do this at home, kiddies. |
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Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:21 PM "once played a great bass shawm... 'kin huge bugger, it was" Didn't he object? Of course the Irish are so polite, he probably didn't have the heart to tell you ... |
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