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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: ollaimh
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 12:30 AM

i agree with tose who say that the securitues foisted on banks and the governemnt are dressed up junk bonds. the bankc et al stopped backing the new securities with any reserve when the final regulations were lifted in 1990-92. after that they quadrupilled the securites traded with these derivitives based on other un backed securities. it's much worse than the junk bind scandal in the eighties but it's so bad that to actually crahre the culprits would have the potential to bring down the whole system. so so far the oversight people do nothing.

when obama started to regulate the knox bros put a half a billion into the tea party movement. obama got the message.

the real tragedy was that the federal government didn't get any assets for the bails out. if they had an equity stake in the bailed out banks then they could audit and see the full story. especially oif they took a stake in several key institutions in new york and get control over the north east section of the federal reserve. then they could have audited the whole federal reserve.

but that would be socialism.

i love seeing these kids out protrsting, however having fought the over fushing issues sown east and the logging abuses out west and seeing the corporations win win win i am not optimistic.

as leonard cohen said"the rich have got their channels in the bedrooms of the poor"

i repeat that in 1990 over eight per cent and as much as above ninety per cent of the securities traded on the new york markets didn't exist in any form. they congured them from thin air and took the money and ran


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 01:35 AM

"(see Kucinich letter, and what I've been saying for months)"

You are not the only one who's been saying it for months. Don't break your arm patting your back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 02:20 AM

Well I certainly took a lot of shit, for placing the blame on the real problem, while other (morons) were playing a partisan game, complete with stupid attack talking points, and refusals to admit the real problem...until their party belatedly admitted that there was 'something wrong'!!!!....

but don't worry.......my arm is just fine, thank you for your concern!

GfS

P.S. So is my 'sanity'...sorry about theirs!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:51 AM

Bottom line, we get the $$$$ out of politics and the rest are details...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 10:01 AM

Public funding for elections.
Fixed amount, same for each, can't use any more...not even your own.
And no activity by outside groups allowed, whether it's specific to a candidate or not.
Draconian? You bet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 10:58 AM

THAT I can agree!
...and 'corporations' and unions, are not the same as individual people, when it comes to 'donations'(read: bribes)!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 11:45 AM

"...and 'corporations' and unions, are not the same as individual people, when it comes to 'donations'(read: bribes)!"

Too true, but hey, it's the LAW. Bastard shitheads rammed that one through.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 01:00 PM

The "bastard shitheads" in this case is that 2nd legislative branch, the judiciary, brucie... Congress, or the Founding Fathers, never said that corporations were people... The Supreme Court did...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 02:23 PM

A new shit head Missisippi law has made some more things people.
The law states that any fertilized egg/blastopore of a human clone, frozen embryo or human being is now a person that carries with it all the laws and protections of the US Constitution and all laws of of the State of Missisippi.

The reducto absurdium laws that are being passed around the country are the product of biblical law. These new religioun based laws express some of the same dangers these people were afraid of when they redundantly passed anti Sharia law in fear that religion would become the basis for the law of the land.

A woman can be andicted for murder if anything untoward causes the egg to die, such as taking a day after pill. To provide saftey from this new law a dozen new laws woll have to follow so that parents of the egg can not be arrested for abandonment or endangerment of the egg, expecially in fertility clinic freezers.

Whats up with that?

As it stands Downs syndrome eggs will be required to go to term, the doctor can be held as an acessory to murder and since the egg now has all legal rights of a person (child and adult) what are the new tax laws and dependent deductions going to be? Dggs that are forzen are abused? kidnapped?
Sure its absurd but there are humdreds of politically elected district attorneys who have a new weapon to use at their own perverted descretion that carries with it a capital crime.

If these eggs and corporations get together, normal humans will be official second class citizens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 02:25 PM

Bobert I have been to the local, Philly and New Yoicks OWS demonstrations, I didn't see too much through the dark tinted limo glass but I saw enough;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: BTNG
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 02:28 PM

Isn't this Missisippi law being brought to us my some of the same crowd that declared that IVF was infringing on "God's work" and was wholly unnatural and blasphemous

My feeling is that this law is aimed at, amongst others, the Pro-Choice lobby


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 02:47 PM

"I was around (and active) back in 1947 where a massive protest wound up producing some good songs, the Progressive Party and not much else. "

Dick, I was there also. I can't believe how wrong you are. The IPP set the stage for much of what happened in the Sixties including the Civil Rights Movement. It stressed that there was an alternative to the "Tweedle-dum, Tweedle-Dee Parties".
It supported unions that made inroads into safety codes, better wages and a prosperous Fifties. It exposed the racism of the South, the hangings and the crazies that started White Citizen Councils. It lay the groundwork for the inimitable Pete Seeger (he cut his career in the Henry Wallace Campaign) who has exerted tremendous influence on the folk music scene without whom there would be no Mudcat. It made many aware of the pitfalls of Capitalism although it was not covered in the mainstream press as it is not being covered now.

I am part of the 99% protest and instead of calling us protesters, I am taking my cue from Thom Hartmann and referring to us as Patriots. We are the change we want. Goals? There are so many and they are all interconnected. Two of them are
1. let the rich pay their fair share of taxes and 2. stop these wasteful and meaningless wars. I'm glad that simplistic labels can't be place on this movement.
Every one of us is a leader and a spokesperson for this movement and we are growing day by day. This movement is not only an extension of the Civil Rights Movement, it is uniquely revolutionary and an important part of American history.
There will always be those who cynically diss us and say "What's the use?" and my response is "Why do you think you are alive?"

There are all walks-of-life of us out there demanding justice because without that, there will be no peace. We are making a difference by showing America what a police state looks like here, how corporations and congressional leaders have become corrupted,how platitudes and sneering comments by nay-sayers mean nothing in the face of authentic social change. As to the charge of ignorance leveled against us, I say, you really ought to get out more. Come down to the Occupy Movement and talk to people. Many read, and many well educated, they respond and they are involved. Many of us have not made a lot of money in our lives but have found meaning that can't be bought by wealthy parasites.

As the old cliche goes, "Lead, follow, or get out of the way!"

We are the Patriots and the 99%'ers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 03:44 PM

Exactly so, Strings!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 05:04 PM

"It stressed that there was an alternative to the "Tweedle-dum, Tweedle-Dee Parties". Leading , effectively to over another half- century of Tweedle-dum party rule.
"Come down to the Occupy Movement and talk to people. Many read, and many well educated, tthey respond and they are involved"
You can say exactly the same thing about the Tea Party.

My point, again, is that a large impassioned movement is more apt to accomplish something if its energies are directed towards specific objectives within the existing political structure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 05:30 PM

The existing political structure is part of the problem, Dick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 05:35 PM

What's your alternative?

When the Red Revolution Brings Its Solution Along

When the Red Revolution brings its solution along, along,
There'll be no more lootin'
'Cause we'll be shootin' that Wall Street throng!
Wake up, you proletarians! Don't act like seminarians!
Expropriate barbarians! Build a worker's republic!
Surplus value and capital you will not find there -
Exploitation and mass starvation will disappear.
I'm just a Red again, saying what I said again -
No boss ere long -
When the Red Revolution brings its solution along!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 05:54 PM

Dick, did you grab post 666 on purpose?

I'd agree with you were we talking about Canada. I think that by the time the next election comes around here we'll be able to mobilize enough support for the NDP to radically change the balance of power in the House of Commons. However, it's the us under discussion.

The next election leaves y'all with a choice of Tweedledee or Tweedledum, both of which/whom have been complicit in the collapse of your economy and the pillaging of the American people. So I ask, sincerely, change what from within the existing structure?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 05:59 PM

The way I see it, the union guys in the 20's and 30's got the ball a little down the field and the IPP a little further and then me and my buds in the 60's got it a little further down the field and now it's the OWSers turn to do the heavy lifting...

One thing for sure is that Boss Hog has never been so confident that he can turn the clock back a 100 years so the lifting this time is going to be a lot harder...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:31 PM

Greetings:

I went for a haircut today and the guy in the chair next to me starting talking about Occupy Wall Street. He said that his son, a New York City policeman, loves it. Why? Because he gets to volunteer for lots of easy overtime. This past Sunday, for example, his son volunteered for two shifts and got triple overtime for each, meaning he made as much in one day as he would make in six days walking his beat. Also, his son said that it's easy work. The protesters are respectful, they comply with most requests, an they keep the place clean. Also, they fly lots of American flags. And they have lots of veterans there, at least during the day. And plenty of union workers, too, real stand-up guys. OK, his son said, it gets really noisy during the day, especially at lunchtime when the drumming starts, but then it quiets down, and at night, when maybe 300 or 400 people sleep over in the park, it's really quiet. And no one is smoking weed or getting drunk, and that's something you can't say about the big parades in New York.

One more thing his son said is that the cops have lots of snitches planted in the park, but they're not really needed. Absolutely everything the protesters do they announce publicly, so there should be no real surprises. The only time there is potential for trouble is when groups of protesters march out of Zuccotti Park, and then it's cool as long as they stay on the sidewalk two abreast, keep moving, and don't block traffic. Anyway, the cops can use scooters to keep marchers out of the roadway. However, one time the sergeant in charge didn't realize the marchers were going to break up into three groups, and she (the sergeant) hadn't assigned enough cops with scooters to follow all three contingents as they went their separate ways. The brass apparent reamed her out for that intelligence failure.

So I asked him if his son told him whether the cops are sympathetic to the protesters or not, and he said not at first, but then they didn't know what to expect. The longer the protest goes on, his son told him, the more open the cops are to the protesters. Then he said again how the American flags are a good sign, and his son wishes that some of the big parades would carry that many American flags. Also his son said the cops hear that the food is really good, but they are not allowed to have any. There are strict NYPD rules against taking anything for free, even if it's offered free to anyone, and even if they come back when they are off duty and out of uniform.

--- Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:40 PM

Well, here in Charlotte, I have made an effort to have conversations with the cops... Nothin' heavy... Football is always safe... Just pus a human face before them that doesn't look at them as the enemy... Lotta that going on with the youngin's...l I see the young folks trying to engage the cops with friendly conversation... That's a big change from the 60s...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 10:45 PM

Steve-
Booyah!
The cops are the 99% in spades, and they seem to be getting it.
Locally, we are next to the police station, and they are totally letting us use the facilities inside. I tell everyone to leave it cleaner than they found it.
Our local paper carries a syndicated cartoon (Mallard Fillmore) that tries to portray us as dirty hippies, and of course Faux News is doing their Master's bidding, but anyone who bothers to look for themselves sees respect, compassion, and egalitarianism. I hope to meet you someday. Keep it up. You too Bobert.


PS
Anybody else going to encircle the Whitehouse on Sunday?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 07:01 AM

Same old struggle - the only difference is social media.

Here's an excerpt from Abe Lincolns State of the union adress on Dec 3rd 1861.

Beautiful stuff.

Enjoy ...

"It is not needed nor fitting here that a general argument should be made in favor of popular institutions, but there is one point, with its connections, not so hackneyed as most others, to which I ask a brief attention. It is the effort to place capital on an equal footing with, if not above, labor in the structure of government. It is assumed that labor is available only in connection with capital; that nobody labors unless somebody else, owning capital, somehow by the use of it induces him to labor. This assumed, it is next considered whether it is best that capital shall hire laborers, and thus induce them to work by their own consent, or buy them and drive them to it without their consent. Having proceeded so far, it is naturally concluded that all laborers are either hired laborers or what we call slaves. And further, it is assumed that whoever is once a hired laborer is fixed in that condition for life.

Now there is no such relation between capital and labor as assumed, nor is there any such thing as a free man being fixed for life in the condition of a hired laborer. Both these assumptions are false, and all inferences from them are groundless.

Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights. Nor is it denied that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital producing mutual benefits. The error is in assuming that the whole labor of community exists within that relation. A few men own capital, and that few avoid labor themselves, and with their capital hire or buy another few to labor for them. A large majority belong to neither class--neither work for others nor have others working for them. In most of the Southern States a majority of the whole people of all colors are neither slaves nor masters, while in the Northern a large majority are neither hirers nor hired. Men, with their families--wives, sons, and daughters--work for themselves on their farms, in their houses, and in their shops, taking the whole product to themselves, and asking no favors of capital on the one hand nor of hired laborers or slaves on the other. It is not forgotten that a considerable number of persons mingle their own labor with capital; that is, they labor with their own hands and also buy or hire others to labor for them; but this is only a mixed and not a distinct class. No principle stated is disturbed by the existence of this mixed class."


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 07:51 AM

I think this is still worthy of discussion, but had fallen off the page.



With over 20% supporting the Tea Party, and 40-60% supporting the OWS, one would think that BOTH groups would explore common ground. The Tea Party was formed as a result of opposition to the bailouts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 07:53 AM

The fact they they have not merged is revealing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 08:32 AM

"The Tea Party was formed as a result of opposition to the bailouts. "

The tea party was neither spontaneous, grassroots nor concerned with the welfare of the ordinary man, but was engineered by those at the top to prevent their corporate interests from being curtailed and to try to deregulate further so they could behave even more recklesssly and selfishly than ever before.

The Occupy movement has nothing in common with the tea party.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 08:40 AM

Then I fail to see a valid claim of representing 99%- But I guess 80% doesn't sound as good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:17 AM

Well, bruce... If one looks at the over lapping circle concept there is a sliver of common ground but only a sliver...

The Tea Party isn't a party at all.... It is just the rightest falnk of the Republican party's base... It was organized by hundreds of million$$$ of corporate money, that same folks who OWS think have way too much influence over our government...

I would guess if there is any common ground it's that each is angry...

The Tea Party is angry at the government which, BTW, is not a surprise since the Republican Party has lived at the hate-the-government table going back to Reagan who said it was the problem... The OWSer are angry at the corporations which have used billion$$$ over the years to bust unions, chip away at the New Deal and buy up gobs and gobs of the the government...

That's the deal... I don't see where the Tea Party folks will ever see that most of the rank 'n file are dupes and stooges working against their own best interests...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:30 AM

Bobert,

I disagree. There is as much Far Left money behind the OWS ( Look at what the UNIONS have contributed, and where they got that money) as is behind the Tea Party.


I don't see where the OWS folks will ever see that most of the rank 'n file are dupes and stooges working against their own best interests...


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:34 AM

Bruce, You'll have to forgive Bobert's ridiculous, rants, about anything that has to do with real re-actions...unless they are promoted by the Democratic Party. He has issues.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:44 AM

There is as much Far Left money behind the OWS ... as is behind the Tea Party.

Source for this assertion, please. Or just more Beardie Bullshit?

Also, please define "Far Left"


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From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:51 AM

"Oakland Police responded to a late night call that protesters had broken into and occupied a downtown building and set several simultaneous fires," the statement read. "The protesters began hurling rocks, explosives, bottles, and flaming objects at responding officers. Several private and municipal buildings sustained heavy vandalism. Dozens of protesters wielding shields were surrounded and arrested."
Protesters reported running from several rounds of tear gas and bright flashes and deafening pops that some thought were caused by "flash bang" grenades. Fire crews arrived and suppressed the flames.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:01 AM

I will try to post this, now for the fourth time:



http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111103/D9QP7IC80.html

"OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) - A day of demonstrations in Oakland that began as a significant step toward expanding the political and economic influence of the Occupy Wall Street movement, ended with police in riot gear arresting dozens of protesters who had marched through downtown to break into a vacant building, shattering windows, spraying graffiti and setting fires along the way.
"We go from having a peaceful movement to now just chaos," said protester Monique Agnew, 40.
The far-flung movement of protesters challenging the world's economic systems and distribution of wealth has gained momentum in recent weeks, capturing the world's attention by shutting down one of the nation's busiest shipping ports toward the end of a daylong "general strike" that prompted solidarity rallies across the U.S.
About 3,000 people converged on the Port of Oakland, the nation's fifth-busiest harbor, in a nearly five-hour protest Wednesday, swarming the area and blocking exits and streets with illegally parked vehicles and hastily-erected, chain-link fences.
Port officials said they were forced to cease maritime operations, citing concerns for workers' safety. They said in a statement they hope to resume operations Thursday "and that Port workers will be allowed to get to their jobs without incident. Continued missed shifts represent economic hardship for maritime workers, truckers, and their families, as well as lost jobs and lost tax revenue for our region."
Supporters in New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and elsewhere staged smaller-scale demonstrations; each group saying its protest was a show of support for the Oakland movement, which became a rallying point when an Iraq War veteran was seriously injured in a clash with police last week.
The larger Occupy movement has yet to coalesce into an organized association and until the port shut down had largely been limited scattershot marches, rallies and tent encampments since it began in September.
Organizers in Oakland had viewed the day as a significant victory. Police said that about 7,000 people participated in demonstrations throughout the day that were peaceful except for a few incidents of vandalism.
One of the protest leaders, Boots Riley, touted the day as a success, saying "we put together an ideological principle that the mainstream media wouldn't talk about two months ago."
His comments came before a group of demonstrators moved to break into the Travelers Aid building in order to, as some shouting protesters put it, "reclaim the building for the people."
Riley, whose anti-capitalist views are well-documented, considered the port shut down particularly significant for organizers who targeted it in an effort to stop the "flow of capital." The port sends goods primarily to Asia, including wine as well as rice, fruits and nuts, and handles imported electronics, apparel and manufacturing equipment, mostly from Asia, as well as cars and parts from Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai. An accounting of the financial toll from the shutdown was not immediately available.
The potential for the chaos that ultimately erupted was not something Riley wanted to even consider.
"If they do that after all this ..." He paused, then added, "They're smarter than that."
But the peace that abided throughout the day, did not last into the night.
Occupy protesters voicing anger over a budget trim that forced the closure of a homeless aid program converged on the empty building where it had been housed. They blocked off city streets with Dumpsters and other large trash bins, starting bonfires that leapt 15-feet in the air."


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:02 AM

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/11/02/general-strike-protesters-shut-down-port-of-oakland/


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:03 AM

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/02/BA5G1LQ06S.DTL


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:06 AM

The link/clickie would have been sufficient, Beardie.

And the point you are trying to make in posting the AP story is what, precisely?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:10 AM

Greggie,

As stated in a removed post:

MY comment was that "There is as much Far Left money behind the OWS ... as (Far right money) is behind the Tea Party."

When you have asked Bobert how much, and what evidence he has of that Tea Party Funding, I will show that the Far left has contributed to the OWS. Until then, you have no basis to ask for proof from me, as you accept Bobert without any proof..


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:12 AM

Thanks for confirming that you can cite no source & thestatement is, in fact, Beardie Bullshit. Appreciated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:54 AM

sorry- fat fingers...


"At an evening briefing, interim Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan said officials believed that only about 60 or 70 of them -- black-garbed with kerchiefs covering their faces -- were believed to be committing acts of vandalism. Throughout Wednesday, members of the crowd had attempted to redirect and dissuade those self-described anarchists. When they broke windows and defaced several banks with graffiti, some Occupy Oakland protesters returned to scrub the walls of a Wells Fargo bank branch. Another placed a sign on the shattered window of a Chase bank branch that read, "We are better than this."

Some on the plaza said a small faction of demonstrators may have broken into a coffee shop, earning the ire of others in the movement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:00 AM

Greggie boy,

So YOU are stating that Bobert has no supporting evidence of his claim, and is a bullshitting liar???


ELF- LOOK AT Greg F.'s post before YOU delete mine for Bullshit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:04 AM

"
And the point you are trying to make in posting the AP story is what, precisely?
"




My reply to this was removed by the mudelf, as I had slurred my name and the start together . Can it be restored , or are we to have censorship here to insure the "correct" viewpoint is the only one allowed to be posted?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:47 AM

Actually, according to Source Watch, Bobert has it just about right:
Compare these two descriptions of the organizations and how they are supported:


http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tea_Party


http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Occupy_Wall_Street


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:47 AM

what evidence [Bobert] has of that Tea Party Funding

Sorry, Beardie, that dog won't hunt, and that dodge won't work.

Tea Potty funding has been amply and conclusively documented by sources that run the gamut of left/right political spectrum. Hell, the Koch boys, the Coors family & all the rest not only admit it, they brag about it.

You may be in denial, but that's your problem.

Now, back to your source/documentation of your statement that "There is as much Far Left money behind the OWS ... as is behind the Tea Party."

Documentation? Source? Or more bullshit? Your move.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:48 AM

or are we to have censorship here to insure the "correct" viewpoint is the only one allowed to be posted?

You're right, Beardie ... "THEY" are out to get you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:19 PM

Guest, TIA

The clickies you posted are to a site that has a bias- IT is funded by:
American Legacy Foundation
Bauman Family Foundation
Careth Foundation
Carolyn Foundation
Changing Horizons Charitable Trust
Courtney's Foundation
CS Fund
Deer Creek Foundation
Educational Foundation of America
Ettinger Foundation
Ford Foundation
Foundation for Deep Ecology
Foundation for Political Management
Funding Exchange
Richard & Rhoda Goldman Fund
Grodzins Fund
Helena Rubinstein Foundation
HKH Foundation
Litowitz Foundation
Marisla Foundation
Mostyn Foundation
Open Society Institute
Park Foundation
Public Welfare Foundation
Proteus Fund
V. Kann Rasmussen Foundation
Rockefeller Associates
Rockefeller Family Foundation
Rockwood Fund
Stern Family Fund
Schumann Center for Media and Democracy
Sunlight Foundation
Threshold Foundation
Tides Foundation
Town Creek Foundation
Turner Foundation
Wallace Global Fund
Winslow Foundation


They do not talk about the funding for OWS. Yet the wording is obviously pro-OWS and anti-Tea Party.

Tides is Soros- and if YOU would not accept a right-wing source, why should I accept a left-wing one?

I have seen visible union support of the OWS groups- which they are entitled to do, but DON'T tell me that that is not supposed to be counted against the support that the large number of independent Tea Party groups get from their supporters.

Both Soros and Koch are entitled to support groups that they think are correct- as are we all. But Bobert's claim goes beyond that, and has not (yet) been demonstrated to be based on facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:27 PM

Okay Bruce, it's your turn.
Back up your assertions.
You didn't like mine, but I did it didn't I?
You ain't done jack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:30 PM

Oh, and since you didn't like the previous info, try this;

http://www.dailydot.com/news/new-data-occupy-wall-street-funding/

Of course since it does not agree with you, you will dismiss it.
But I am backing up the talk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:32 PM

also;
http://philanthropy.com/article/Occupy-Wall-Street-Raises-More/129595/


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:42 PM

Guest, TIA

Both sources look good- but they discuss ONLY the donations through a specific channel. I am sure that if I said that the bank accounts for a Tea Party group show only the donations from individuals in small amounts, you would not accept that as proof that others did not provide funding and support.

I am certainly willing to say that MOST of the OWS are sincere, well-meaning, and not aware that there are others using the movement for their own purposes.

When I hear Bobert say that about the Tea Party, I might have some respect for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:43 PM

Relax, TIA, just more bullshit from one of the 'cat's most prolific bullshitters. Think hereafter I'll shorten Bearder Bruce Bull Shit to simply posting BBBS (something of Beethoven about it, no?) to save typing & everyone will know what it means.

You have to admire his persistence, though- even shown to be wrong he keeps sticking to the same line of crap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:46 PM

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/10/18/poll-ows-protesters-violence/



So, greggie, you continue to have no way to dispute my points but to attack me? Not ONE comment in your post about the topic.


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