BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse

Subject: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 01:48 PM

After Russia and China's UN veto of the Syrian resolution Canada's goverment bleats a muted protest! At the same time Harper leads a trade delegation to China this week and he says that he intends to perhaps mention human rights.
Steve, grow a set of balls and stay home! Tell China to piss off and if they don't smarten up they will never see one drop of Canadian oil!

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 02:14 PM

There's too much money involved for the rich people.

Doesn't China own a chunk of the oil sands already?

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Paul Burke
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 02:18 PM

They own us, and you. That's the fact. We gave them our economies in return for cheap shite, that and it spited the unions. Now they are running down the monetary flywheel, skimming our economies while they expand their own and buy up strategic chunks of resources (notably in Africa). Now all Canada can do is threaten not to be paid by them. Boogabloodyloo.

We (western governments) made up a set of rules, called globalisation, to make it easy to shaft any economy in the world by sloshing money (OUR money) around. The Chinese played our game better, and won.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 02:20 PM

Yeh, and they want Canada to build a pipeline over a lot of Indian land to get the crude to the BC coast so it can be loaded onto tankers. The Indians are strongly opposed but Harper is all for it!

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Rog Peek
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 02:58 PM

If you live in the Thames Water district in the UK, it seems the Chinese own 10% of the water you drink!

Rog

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 03:09 PM

They don't have to bury us, they just buy us.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 04:30 PM

Said it before. China has no need to go to war. They know war and it's not fought with weapons unless the goal is population reduction... and when that eventually comes about, he who has the money and associated firepower wins. The rich will be okay no matter where they are, as they have been okay for thousands of years, so the poor who will die are of little concern to them, as it has been for thousands of years.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 05:57 PM

"Too much money involved for the rich people."

The money will benefit millions of people in Canada, although I will admit that the benefit is mostly to Alberta, Saskatchewan and British Columbia. Our businesses and housing market survived the disaster in the States and much of Europe thanks to proper banking policies and strong employment largely due to the petroleum industry. The cranes are "flying" in Calgary as more towers are added to fill the demand.

The pipeline can be built with safeguards. It will be built.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 06:19 PM

"The pipeline can be built with safeguards. It will be built."
Of course safeguards will be shortcutted by the oil industry as it has been proven in the Gulf Of Mexico. If there is a burst line it will only damage Indian lands and the taxpayer can foot the bill! Yes, it will be built but only after our sad-sack government tramples some more native rights! Money talks and big money shouta!

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 06:20 PM

(shouts)

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 06:27 PM

Canada in the News

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 07:24 PM

If he tries to kick China's arse, China won't even notice, and Harper will bust his own foot.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 07:36 PM

Confusious say man who kicks China's Ass could have shitty walk back home.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 09:42 PM

Sure, and there will be a pipeline built from Canada to Texas, too. I guess it's just too much trouble to build the damned refineries in Montana or something.

So you Canadians keep pumping that oil and sending it both west and south.

Thank you. 谢谢。

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 10:12 PM

Rap... right on. We need a PM with some balls. We need Pierre back to stand up for Canucks and for Yanks and for our heritage. Sadly, it's all about "immediate" money and the politicians and senior government officials getting rich. Corrupt bunch a bastards. Started with... oh... nevermind... no sense in crying over poloticians spilling taxpayers milk eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: bobad
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 10:38 PM

"Harper To Kick China's Arse"

You spelled kiss wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 05 Feb 12 - 10:52 PM

Hahahahahahaaa!

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 03:07 AM

I'll second that laughter! ;-D

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 09:10 AM

bobad, I was never great to spell. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 09:35 AM

I wish Mr Harper well. However, kicking China's arse might present a few difficulties. He can't find his own half the time.

We don't live in a country so we can belong to big business and high finance. Since Mr Harper doesn't really see anything wrong with that, we are neck-deep in shit! And then some idiot will be out with a speed boat towing water skiers as bait for the last remaining northern pike that doesn't have Made in China stamped on his ass. We voted this guy in. We can vote this guy out.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 11:14 AM

I didn't vote him in. I voted for the other guys...as did about 60% of those who voted in that election. The other guys (Liberals, NDP, and Greens) have to swallow their pride and form a single party or we're not going to get this situation sorted out too soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: pdq
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 01:07 PM

"I guess it's just too much trouble to build the damned refineries in Montana or something."

The pipeline supporters are trying to get approval of a line that goes to Montana and possibly Idaho. Seems that once here in the US, the oil can be piped to other locations without federal interference.

If Obama is re-elected, the Canadian pipeline may not even be apprioved until he leaves office in January 2017.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 01:44 PM

not about Roy Harper then........

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 01:47 PM

Or Turlough O'Carolan.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 04:27 PM

China owns most things these days, including moving in on the Water Supplies of the planet..

Good job I like their food...bit hard to speak Chinese though..

They EXCELLENT at playing Monopoly too..bought up just about everything on the board...

Ah, let China snooze for when she starts to rub her eyes..all hell will break loose..

A helping of No 47, anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 04:42 PM

I was thinking more of the 69.....

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 06:34 PM

Epoch Times reporter denied visa

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 06:45 PM

1. China has a one-child-per-family policy.
2. Most Chinese keep boy babies.
QED: China wants Canada's women.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 06:46 PM

Is China Communist?

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 06:50 PM

Shoot troublemakers

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 06:54 PM

This is one more reaswon for Harper to grow a set of balls and stand up to the Chinese leaders! Problem is that he perhaps shares the same disdain for freedom of the press!

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 10:04 PM

I would be quite happy if Mr Harper never came back from China. Surely they can find a use for him over there? Isn't there a hole in the Great Wall that needs to be plugged or something?

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 10:41 PM

They wouldn't use him to plug a hole. How can you plug a hole with a hole?

Fer yer ferriners... you just can't imagine how much some Canucks detest this nasty, arrogant, heartless brown nosing SOB. He's now going after the Old Age Pension... to pay for the war in Afghanistan while building hospitals and schools there while ours in Canada are being shut down. He loves beig on the international stage, grandstanding about how our banking system is better than all the rest. All the while, driving Canuckistan into ruin and, as per this thread... kissing ass... England... US... China... he's a slut.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Feb 12 - 11:28 PM

Back some time ago, say around 1968 or so, when computers were just becoming available for less than a few thousand dollars (US or other) per minute, a series of articles in Scientific American magazine took a look at different methods of counting the votes, and at how different choices might affect the outcomes of elections.

One of the conclusions reached was that any time there are three or more viable candidates, the one elected will nearly always be the one considered UNACCEPTABLE by the maximum number of people. While there might be no more people happy with one of the other choices, there would always be fewer unhappy with any other choice.

Not all the calculations were shown, so it's difficult to say whether the result should be taken as gospel or just as prophecy (if there's a difference), but it has seemed to have at least some validity in elections I've observed from a distance. The series did suggest a minimum level of popularity required to call a fringe candidate real, and I haven't seen a US election where a third party candidate has achieved a "real" candidacy, but several other countries (some very nearby) have demonstrated some interesting samplings.

Maybe those results contained an element of validity.

Do we need more analysis? ... ????

John

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Crowhugger
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 01:52 AM

For those who aren't familiar with tar sands processes, the gunk they mine has to be "upgraded" before being shipped to refineries. That "upgrading" is not what we think of as oil refining. What leaves the upgrade plants at the tar sands after upgrading is comparable to what leaves a regular oil well and gets sent to refineries.

According to an interview I heard on CBC on Sunday, what China didn't become a major investor in the study phase of the Gateway pipeline project (IIRC maybe 4 of 10 investors are major) for just the return on investment to be made down the road. Uh-uh. According to the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives and maybe another guest (I was driving and missed certain bits), China bought themselves enough clout to require that oil shipped through the Gateway pipeline be processed in Chinese refineries. This means Canada cannot reap any economic benefits from refining that oil. Further, Industry Canada is not enforcing their own rules designed to ensure that hazardous processes are not moved to countries with lower environmental standards. Golly, I'm shocked.

Not.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 10:07 AM

JohnInKansas - Yes, of course, in a 4-party system, for example....the majority of people won't get the candidate they wanted no matter who gets elected! ;-)

But that's not the point when it comes to Canada. The point in Canada is this: Only about 40% of the public can be termed "conservative" in their general political and social outlook. The other 60% can be considered "liberal" in their general outlook.

That's very different from the USA! The USA has a population far more inclined toward conservatism.

Okay. Now we have only 1 really conservative party in Canada. It is called the Conservative Party of Canada.

We have several other parties (Liberals, New Democrats, Greens, Bloc Quebecois), and they are all essentially somewhat liberal (with some degree of variance in how liberal). They represent various sectors of the 60% of the public I was referring to above.

The 40% of the public that is basically conservative in outlook are represented by ONE rightwing party, the conservatives.

That ONE party has won the last couple of elections by virtue of the fact that the 60% of the public who aren't conservative are dividing their votes between 4 different parties!

And the Conservatives got a majority in the last election because of that, despite having support of only about 4 out of 10 people in the country.

That is unjust. It's wrong. It's unacceptable. It can only be stopped if the various non-conservative parties in this country swallow their stupid pride, put aside their differences, and unite into a single centre-left party under a single name.

I suggest "Liberal Democrats", and I wish they would do it without delay. If they did, the Conservatives would be voted out in the next election, and we'd have a government that does represent a true majority for a change.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 10:13 AM

Exactly what he said, LH. Four parties, four candidates, zero power.

"We must all hang together or we will all hang separately."
                     -- Benjamin Franklin, former Mayor of Montreal

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 01:33 PM

Maybe so, Rap, but Drapeau knew where his predecessors buried the bones.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 03:39 PM

Harper has the full support of the majority of Albertans. Conservatives hold 72 0f 83 seats in the provincial legislature, and 67 percent of Albertans supported Conservative candidates for the Canadian Parliament. Saskatchewan and Manitoba also gave majority support to the Conservatives, and almost half 46 percent of B. C. voters also voted to support the Conservative party (NDP managed 33 %).

There is a split between east and west in Canada, the west supporting the Conservative values that support their lives.

Remarks by gnu and his ilk denigrating Harper are considered detestable by most western Canadians.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 04:02 PM

Perhaps then Q, Alberta and Harper should ship the Chinese oil through an Alberta seaport! Perhaps a reminder that it was the four original provinces of Canada that coughed up the cash to purchase Rupert's Land from the big trading companies.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 04:08 PM

Yes, Eastern Canada is fairly much appalled by political attitudes in Alberta, though we do like the scenery out there. ;-) And the music too.

There is indeed an East-West split in Canada, and it's been growing. But Alberta's a special case. It's like Texas North. The impression I get of Albertans is that they'd rather be Americans than Canadians...same as the editorial staff at the Toronto Sun.

Having lived in the USA once for 10 years myself and having lived in Canada for the rest of my life, I can't sympathize with or even fathom the Albertan viewpoint when it comes to that. I feel like getting down on my knees and kissing the ground whenever I return to Canada from the USA. Would I die to keep this country free from what is grandly termed "the American Way"? You betcha. I don't like fascism.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 04:31 PM

Q... the wood, wind and water of The Maritimes built Uppity Canada and the West. When we hear shit like, "Let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark.", it does not sit well with us. As for dissing Harper, I cannot imagine anyone anywhere supporting his tactics and his uncaring attitude toward all Canucks except the rich. At this moment, particularly, I know the rich don't care if seniors' pensions are affected by his policies, but I sure do.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 05:27 PM

The stability of the Canadian banks, by the way, is something we owe to Paul Martin, not Steven Harper. Paul Martin resisted a corporate-sponsored push to de-regulate Canadian banks during the brief time he was prime minister. He didn't allow that de-regulation to occur, and it is to him we owe our thanks that our national banking system has remained healthy and viable when the others around it did not.

Harper has falsely claimed credit for what he had nothing to do with, and what he would have prevented if he'd had the chance. He WOULD have de-regulated our banks, because that's standard rightwing robber baron policy. It enriches the very rich at the very top. It destroys the financial base of the rest of society.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 09:20 PM

Hear, hear LH! And, if Pierre was still here, FIRA would still be here and China could just fuck off. And I think that would be a good thing for NA.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 09:59 PM

"He WOULD have de-regulated our banks, because that's standard rightwing robber baron policy. It enriches the very rich at the very top."

TFT, imo.

However, I'm prepared to read all the good Harper has done (since I'm one of the ilk).

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 07 Feb 12 - 10:39 PM

Who remembers the pledge that these "Reform" bastards made to refuse the MP's pension plan? Once they got their greedy snouts firmly planted in the public trough they became as addicted as any to the swill! Hypocrisy is the foundation of Harper's cabinet and the rest of his MP's keep their noses firmly planted you know where! A hell of a way to run a country!

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 12:41 PM

How can a PM break a law that he enacted and still smile (smirk?) at Canucks when he's on TV? 9... short read.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 01:24 PM

Hats off to Harper, who seems to have been busy since he M/C'd the Hyde Park free concerts in 1968/9.......

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 05:46 PM

All Canadians should support oil sands development. It provides tax money, individual and corporate, to the federal government; paying for services for all Canadians, many billions of dollars.

Expansion of sales to the Far East will multiply the amount of dollars.

Estimates are that oil sands in Alberta will create more than $307 billion in tax revenuse across Canada over 25 years. $187 billion of that goes to the federal government.
Over 450,000 jobs are provided in that 25 year period.
Seven percent of Ontario jobs result from oil sands activities.
Some 25 percent of oil sands related employment is outside Alberta.

http://oilsands.alberta.ca/economicinvestment.html

I have not added the Saskatchewan portion of oil sands development, which is growing as leases for their portion of the oil sands are developed.

British Columbia's oil and gas production currently is linked to supplies sent to the U.S. as well as Canada. They will benefit in jobs and consequent tax income as they provide services such as hosting Keystone pipeline and opening up more resources to the Far East. Their metallurgical coal resources are important to Chinese and Korean industry, and better connections to the west coast are needed for that resource as well.


Those who oppose development of Canada's resources are reducing the ability of all Canadians to have the services they demand.

Harper and the contingent of business leaders accompanying him to China will work toward free trade between the nations and the development of Canada's resources. China has billions invested in Canada, in petroleum, mining, forests and other resources. That investment will be increased.

Speedy implementation of pipeline and other means of delivering Canada's resources abroad is necessary for Canada's continued growth.

Development of the petroleum reserves in Canada's portion of the Arctic Ocean will soon follow; the first research and exploration in the Arctic Islands and the Beaufort offshore was carried out with the aid of the government of Trudeau's time, benefiting from his foresight.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 06:37 PM

So-called "free trade" has usually ended up being the very opposite in practice of what the free trade label would lead one to believe. Clever marketing, that is! It's kind of like the USA's Department of Defense...which has engaged in nothing but offensive actions upon other nations since the end of WWII....or "life insurance", which is in fact death insurance.

How droll! ;-)

Another example of this New World Order doubletalk: Credit card companies refer to their cardholding customers who pay off all their outstanding balances on time (thus accumulating no interest charges) as....wait for it....

"deadbeats"!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 06:41 PM

Correction: almost nothing but offensive actions since the end of WWII. I will concede that in the case of the Korean War, the USA was engaged in legitimate defense of South Korea against a North Korean invasion. Other than that, forget it. All of the other American imperial wars and occupations since then have been offensive in nature, not defensive, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: bobad
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 06:43 PM

Factoring in the enviromental damage caused by extracting oil from the tar sands and the potential damage from pipeline rupture tempers the financial benefits - what's the cost of that?

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 07:19 PM

There are ways to extract the riches of the earth with much lesser enviromental damage, but rape and plunder is by far the one with the biggest monetary payback to greedy companies. That leaves them lots of extra cash to line the pockets of politicians to approve such concepts as free trade.
Do we really believe that exchanging money in hotel rooms in plain brown envelopes is the exception and not the rule?
The resources of this country should be developed for the greatest benefit of its citizens! Trudeau had that concept right with his national energy policy but greed from Alberta's politicians and oil companies sunk that concept with a "let them freeze in the dark" attitude. We don't need one damn cent of China's money and as long as they support arseholes like Assad we should be giving them the cold shoulder! Instead we send delegations led by Harper to kiss their arses!

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 07:10 PM

Selling natural resources or developing natural resources for selling a finished product? That is the question... I think. No? Do you want a quick buck at a price or do you bet on the big bucks down the road? I think Canucks can feed and clothe themselves and go for the big bucks rather than selling themselves in the short term. Maybe I am wrong, but didn't we just have an economic crises? Why? Ya don't sell the cow and then buy the milk from someone else, do ya?

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: number 6
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 09:09 PM

No .... you are not wrong at all gnu.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: number 6
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 09:11 PM

The cow is gone .... and we've pretty well have sold off the farm.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 01:06 AM

A damn shame but perhaps the farm still has more value what we percieve, at least I hope so! China can kiss my arse!

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 02:40 PM

Good article at

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120209/canada-china-free-trade-talks-120209/20120209/?hub=EdmontonHome

Takes five minutes to read it.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 03:56 PM

Thanks, 999. Here is a later one from the CBC, with a quote of some of Harper's remarks.
Harper...."reiterate for a Chinese audience a message he and other members of his cabinet have sent before to those who oppose the development of Alberta's oilsands, and the approval of the pipeline infrastructure necessary to get that bitumen to ports for export to new markets such as China."
"Our government is committed to insuring that Canada has the infrastructure necessary to move our energy resources to those diversified markets," Harper said."
"Yes, we will continue to develop these resources in an environmentally responsible manner. But so too will we uphold our responsibility to put the interests of Canadians ahead of foreign monet and influence that seek to obstruct development in Canada in favour of energy imported from other, less stable parts of the world," Harper said."

Chinese capital has played an important role in financing oilsands develoopment, although Chinese interests hold only a minority stake in key resource development projects."
{That minority interest at present is about $12 billion in leases and development projects, but this could grow rapidly as their leases and lease shares are developed.]

For the great majority of western Canadians (and for the economic security of all), continued development of Canada into an energy superpower is a priority.

The expansion will not be stopped.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 05:41 PM

"Indeed, China wants to buy and Canada wants to sell, said Smith."

Yup.

"In the end, China got their way."

Yup.

Corporations ship everything from wood to soup to nuts out of Canada and the US so it can be used to sell cheap goods back to NA. I really wouln't mind it at all if war was illegal. That make any sense to anyone else?

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 12:41 PM

Hey... if we get free Pandas, do we have to buy bamboo from China?

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 02:52 PM

Yes, to the tune of $200,000 a year, according to what I heard on CTV this morning.
The zoological gardens (zoos) say they will at least break even on the lease and food cost (with admissions, food, souvenir, parking, etc. income).
Calgary expects many dollars will be spent in the city by people coming to view the critters. A win-win situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 03:06 PM

Well, if it doesn't take money away from Canucks who need it, cool.

Poor joke, perhaps.

BTW, will these viewers pay an extra fee to see the pandas? Are the pandas in a separate facility with a separate cost per view? Yeah, you know where I am goin with this. Details, man... details.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 09:12 PM

CBC news at ten... a fer minutes ago... are you shittin me? We are "renting" the pandas for $1M per year for ten years. WTF?! Lickin arse has taken on a new level! That is over the top. I think he should stay in China. Might help our pensioners and our poor who will never get to see the cuddly little $10M+ bears. Fer fuck sake!

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 02:23 PM

See my post of 11 Feb 12.
A money maker for both cities, as the yokels er citizens come in droves to see them, spend money on transportation, food, hotels, admissions and souvenirs, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 02:47 PM

I saw your post, Q. But, what I saw and heard on the CBC news last night makes that $1.2M per year. That's a lot of coin for the pandas alone to pull in. Add in shipping and handling and gosh! I hope they ride bikes.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 09:24 AM

Perhaps Canada could rent China a few polecats in exchange instead of the million bucks. I think three polecats per panda to be a fair offer, but I would be willing to throw in a couple of porcupine for good measure!

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: ollaimh
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 11:37 PM

q the toading to neo cons by people like you is considered detestable to the majority of canadians.
you can develop and reap the rewards or you can give them away to foreigners like the neo cons are. norway in a ten year period collected 90 billion in royalities from a resource smaller than albetas by profit, while in thierty year alberts collected a third of that. in additon the tar sands are poluting the last great water shed, the mackenzie, because there are no real enviornmental protections in alberta.

as well norway saw that you want to pace you growth or a lot is destroyed by inflation and aveerage people lose all they make to soaring costs of living. even peter laugheed has said that albeta is going too fast. only the rich foreign controlled companies get any long term benefit that way, and we get the clean up costs.

as to elections. in france they have run off elections between the two leaders on the first vote. simple and effective. i like proportional representation but runs off are a much less radical solution for the time being. but first we need one person one vote. we allow as much as thirty per cent diferentiation between ridings in the same area, and more for some provinces.. this is heavily tilted towards rural ridings. toronto montreal and vancvouver often have a hundred thousand voters per riding--or more in toronto. while most rural ridings in the praries and maritimes have less than eighty five thousand voters and a few have thirty thoudsand voters.

if we had equal numbers per riding the first harper government would never hqavre happened. martin would have had the minority again. and dion would have had a hundred seats.

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: ollaimh
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 11:40 PM

i might add that developing slow but carefully also exploites the inevitable price increases. that resource isn't going to get less profitable. in thirty years oil will be used only for making high end plastics and will be worth fifty times what it is today. but sell it all now for cheap and leave nothing for your chrildren. that's the ticket q

Subject: RE: BS: Harper To Kick China's Arse
From: gnu
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 03:16 PM

There's lots of peat in the north of Canada. We can stay warm with that. Not very tastety, tho. >;-)