BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 06:43 PM

Uh- BooBad- your link from 2010 don't work. Web searches don't turn it up, either.

In addition that's only one item - you haven't addressed any other points raised.

So, one more time:

More shucking and jiving, BooBad- nice footwork! - but you STILL haven't provided any proof of this "survey" nor addressed any of the other points or questions.

As expected.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 06:56 PM

So Greggie I was able to find it again without the links so I'm sure you can too - just keep on truckin'.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 08:03 AM

GregF,

Still waiting for your answers…



I do note that you ignore the rights of the Jewish refugees of 1948 from Arab lands. What about them? Do the rights of 640,000 Arab Muslims exceed the right of 820,000 Arab Jews?



77% of the "Jewish Homeland" was split off in 1924 or so to form the Kingdom of TransJordan, where Jews were not allowed to settle. This was by the Mandate Power ( GB) . The remainder was to be the new "Jewish Homeland"

Those were the LAST borders accepted by the Arab League. Shouldn't we go back to them?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 08:23 AM

IDF intercepts major Iranian weapons shipment to Gaza

The Times of Israel

No BDS against Iran I note.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 08:32 AM

Iran just persecutes Jews , Christians, and Ba'hai. No reason for the BDS crowd to comment on THAT.

They think that is just fine, as long as the Jews are ethnically cleansed like from the West Bank in 1948 to 1967, and from most of the Arab nations post 1948 to the present.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 09:08 AM

Take your meds, Bruce.

Keep shuckin' & jivin', BooBad

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 09:19 AM

As I expected, GregF continues to demand special rules for what he supports, and requires anyone who disagrees to comply with what he will not do himself.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 09:29 AM

Take your meds, Bruce. Please. You're hallucinating.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 09:36 AM

Answer my questions, or admit you are just a bigot.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 03:48 PM

The expulsion of Jewish minorities from other countries was criminal, and should obviously be reversed. However in very large part this happened in the wake of the expulsion of the majority Palestinian population of what became Israel. Without that precipitating factor there is no reason to believe it would have happened.

Any right of return for Palestinians should be accompanied by a similar right of return for Jews who see living in Israel as exile from other countries. So far as I know this demand has never been put on the table in negotiations, and it surely should be.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 07:04 PM

"Iran just persecutes Jews , Christians, and Ba'hai. No reason for the BDS crowd to comment on THAT. "




Iran has been subject to BDS since 1979.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 03:50 AM

"Answer my questions, or admit you are just a bigot."
No less a bigot than those who continue to describe the Crimes of Israel as "Jewish"
The only way for people like Brucie and his little band of fanatics to continue their fanaticism is to ignore the fats of what has happened and is still happening - no reference to Israeli behaviour, just the continuance of old wars - lethally detrimental to Jews and non-Jews alike.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 04:45 AM

McGrath,
Without that precipitating factor there is no reason to believe it would have happened.

An alternative view.
"It is the custom to say that Zionism was responsible for this (expulsion) development. However, the region's anti-Semitism would have developed even without the rise of the state of Israel because of Arab-Islamic nationalism, which resulted in xenophobia. The fact that these events have been obscured has served in the campaign to delegitimize Israel, and therefore to a large extent, the same population that suffered this oppression. The fate of Palestinian refugees, their proclaimed innocence, and the injustice they endured form the main thrust of this delegitimization. The Jewish refugees have suffered more than the Palestinian refugees and undergone greater spoliations. However, they became citizens of the countries of refuge, especially Israel and France, while Palestinians were ostracized from the Arab nations. -
http://jcpa.org/article/the-expulsion-of-the-jews-from-muslim-countries-1920-1970-a-history-of-ongoing-cruelty-and-discriminatio

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 07:22 AM

"...would have developed even without the rise of the state of Israel because of Arab-Islamic nationalism..." In the opinion of the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs, which would not appear a wholly dispassionate organisation.

A hypothetical speculation like that cannot be disproved. But to be. In any way persuasive it would need some pretty strong evidence. The history of anti-semitism linked to nationalism does not have an equivalent in Islamic history, prior to the colonial experience of European settlement and takeover in the Palestinian region.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 07:41 AM

So it's the Jews that are responsible for Muslim antisemitism - good to know that.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 07:54 AM

Of course not dispassionate, but Israeli views are still valid.

I put it up as an alternative view.
Are you one of those who object to the views of Israelis being heard?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 08:47 AM

"I put it up as an alternative view."
You always do -
Israel puts its point of view with guns, chemical weapons, blockades, Berlin-type walls and denials - you just offer their denials.
You've had the reports on equality (the Or report was from Israel itself), you've had the filmed evidence, you've had researched and documented accounts of Israeli war crimes and atrocities, you even have over 100 vetoes protecting Israel from her crimes - all you have ever offered in return is Israel's denials.
Wouldn't stand up in any court
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 09:00 AM

Are you one of those who object to the views of Israelis being heard?

Not at all. I object to bullshit being claimed as fact.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 10:02 AM

And I object to your proclamation that it is bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 10:34 AM

And I object to your proclamation that it is bullshit.

By all means, object all you want. But where's your evidence?

Now, back to your shucking and jiving, BooBad - putting aside the "survey" for the time being (since its results are a decade out of date in any case) - you STILL haven't addressed any of the other points or questions.

As anticipated.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 10:56 AM

"By all means, object all you want. But where's your evidence?"

My evidence is the same as what you provided in your proclamation.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 11:01 AM

As for your points and questions, whatever they may be, I proclaim them to be bullshit also.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 12:42 PM

"I proclaim them to be bullshit also."
A proclaimer!!!
Sounds the same as being infallible like Keith?
Didn't thik you'd even begin to respond to the facts put before yo.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 01:16 PM

I've started my own BDS movement. It's known as the Bullshit Detection System and It's gathering weight. I'll be monitoring your posts so be sure to get your facts straight or your posts will be boycotted.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 02:10 PM

As for your points and questions, whatever they may be, I proclaim them to be bullshit also.

Well, BooBad, the points and questions are posted a short while back in this thread - a lot more readily accessible than your obscure post about the "survey"[sic] from 2010. I'm sure if you follow your own advice you can readily turn them up.

As for "proclaiming them (e.g. the points and questions) to be bullshit", just more of your usual shucking and jiving.

As expected.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 03:06 PM

"I've started my own BDS movement. It's known as the Bullshit Detection System and It's gathering weigh"
You have long been a leading member of the LITF, (Let's ignore the facts) club - it's why nobody takes you seriously little Boo Boo
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 03:21 PM

Well I'm definitely not going to wade back through your posts to find it - that wouldn't be good for my health (if you get my drift). But if I recall you were inventing another one of your patented false equivalencies to try and make a claim against non Jews having equal rights in Israel but as you didn't provide any evidence for that it was merely your opinion, and we all know about opinions....don't we.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 03:31 PM

WARNING......the post previous to my last one has set off my BDS alarm.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 03:41 PM

Well I'm definitely not going to wade back through your posts to find it...

If directed at me, BooBad, such "wading" is exactly what you expected and enjoined MJEto in search of your postings up to 5 years ago - not just in this currebt thread- instead of supplying any facts; but of course you are exempt from your own strictures.

Yet another example of your shucking, jiving & bullshitting and general 'do as I say not as I do' disregard for the facts and of reality.

As expected.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 03:46 PM

"such "wading" is exactly what you expected and enjoined MJEto in search of your postings up to 5 years ago"

Not at all I told you that it's on the web and gave you the name of it - your ineptitude is not my fault but I am willing to give you search advice.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 03:51 PM

More than 50 discriminatory laws

http://adalah.org/eng/Articles/1771/Discriminatory-Laws

http://adalah.org/eng/Israeli-Discriminatory-Law-Database

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 04:21 PM

Not at all I told you that it's on the web and gave you the name of it - your ineptitude is not my fault but I am willing to give you search advice.

Yeah, right.

HOWEVER still more shucking & jiving & you STILL haven't addressed any of the other points or questions.

As anticipated.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 04:35 PM

"you STILL haven't addressed any of the other points or questions."

Yes I did in the second sentence of my post of 06 Mar 14 - 03:21 PM which you must have missed.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 04:54 PM

Yes I did in the second sentence of my post of 06 Mar 14 - 03:21 PM which you must have missed.

Oh really? No so any sentient being would notice; no answers or responsed whatsoever.

Just more shucking & jiving & you STILL haven't addressed any of the other points or questions.

As anticipated.

Again.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 04:57 PM

"Oh really? No so any sentient being would notice; no answers or responsed whatsoever."

OK if I have to spell it out for you - my answer is that that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 06:09 PM

OK if I have to spell it out for you - my answer is that that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

AND that you have no facts to contradict it.

Thanks.

Now, moving along.......

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 06:32 PM

"AND that you have no facts to contradict it."

No, you stated the opinion without any supporting evidence, I didn't contradict it because it is just an opinion.

Over and out.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 09:41 PM

And so it gets back to insults and knockabout rubbish.

Why not carry on an actual discussion, and look to find any points of agreement as well as disagreement?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 10:12 AM

Why not carry on an actual discussion,

Been trying for quite a while, Kevin - but Bobad refuses to speak to the several issues raised.

So best I stop trying.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 10:18 AM

GregF,

Still waiting for your answers…



I do note that you ignore the rights of the Jewish refugees of 1948 from Arab lands. What about them? Do the rights of 640,000 Arab Muslims exceed the right of 820,000 Arab Jews?



77% of the "Jewish Homeland" was split off in 1924 or so to form the Kingdom of TransJordan, where Jews were not allowed to settle. This was by the Mandate Power ( GB) . The remainder was to be the new "Jewish Homeland"

Those were the LAST borders accepted by the Arab League. Shouldn't we go back to them?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 10:42 AM

Bruce, if you have any actual questions rather than thinly disguised polemics, do let me know.

You're also "assuming facts not in evidence" - or hallucinating. Are you taking your meds?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 10:54 AM

GregF,

DIRECT QUESTIONS:

1. Do the rights of 640,000 Arab Muslims exceed the right of 820,000 Arab Jews?

Yes or no, feel free to explain your reasons.



2. STATEMENT OF VERIFIED FACT: 77% of the "Jewish Homeland" was split off in 1924 or so to form the Kingdom of TransJordan, where Jews were not allowed to settle. This was by the Mandate Power ( GB) . The remainder was to be the new "Jewish Homeland"
Those were the LAST borders accepted by the Arab League.

QUESTION: Shouldn't we go back to them?

Yes or no, feel free to explain your reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 01:45 PM

More polemics & rhetorical questions, Bruce. Up your dosage.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 01:59 PM

I give you questions, and you attack me rather than answer them.

That says a LOT about you, and the opinions that you are supporting.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 02:04 PM

STATEMENT OF VERIFIED FACT: 77% of the "Jewish Homeland" was split off in 1924 or so to form the Kingdom of TransJordan, where Jews were not allowed to settle. This was by the Mandate Power ( GB) . The remainder was to be the new "Jewish Homeland"
Those were the LAST borders accepted by the Arab League.

QUESTION: Shouldn't we go back to them, rather than the so-called "1967" borders that were the result of truce lines from the 1948 war?

Yes or no, feel free to explain your reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 07:37 PM

Israelis who are living in exile in Israel should of course be free to return to the countries from which they were exiled. The government of Israel should be pressing for this to be agreed, and The governments of such countries, as well as Palestinians, should be supporting them in this.

So far as I am aware this has not happened.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 08:21 PM

A return to those borders might make a lot of sense, bruce. There was of course no suggestion on either side at that time that the Muslim and Christian residents of the area identified as available for Jewish immigrants should be expected to be displaced.   A united Israel/Palestine shared by both peoples was anticipated, and there is a great deal to be said for such an outcome, if it could be achieved.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 07:09 AM

One wonders how any of these historical arguments should apply to the Native Americans, or the Maoris, or the Australian Aborigines - if at all, and if not, why not?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 03:43 PM

Bruce, If Israel wants to use the borders of the mandate, its fine by me, as long as everyone in those borders has the same civil rights and voting rights.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 14 Mar 14 - 10:08 AM

"As Amos Oz once aptly observed: the walls of his grandparents Europe were covered with graffiti saying "Jews, go to Palestine." Now they say, "Jews, get out of Palestine"—by which is meant Israel. Who do these Western European bigots think they're fooling? Only fools who want to be fooled in the interest of denying that they are manifesting new variations on their grandparent's old biases."


Some hard questions about the Western European double standard against Israel