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AROUND ME BRAVE BOYS
BRISK YOUNG WIDOW
NOSTRADAMUS
OAK, ASH, AND THORN
On Board a 98
THE BARLEY AND THE RYE
THE GOOD LUCK SHIP
THE OLD SONGS
WE HAVE FED OUR SEA FOR A THOUSAND YEARS


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Subject: Re; Music to Kipling poem
From: Kipling
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 04:26 AM

Hi, I am a great Kipling fan, both poetry and of poems set to music by Peter Bellamy. I want to learn 'We have fed our seas for a thousand years' but dont know the tune. Does anyone know of a recording of it anywhere?, as i don't read music. Hope someone can enlighten me. Thanks Kipling


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Subject: RE: Re; Music to Kipling poem
From: shanty_steve
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 05:07 AM

Hi Kipling,

We have fed our sea is on numerous Peter Bellamy recordings, but probably the easiest to get hold of is the 'Wake the Vaulted Echoes' compilation box set. There's a real audio clip of the song Here (I hope I've done that right).

Stephen


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Subject: RE: Music to Kipling poem
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 05:16 AM

There's a two-disc CD by Peter Bellamy called "Mr Bellamy, Mr Kipling And The Tradition". If you go to www.musikfolk.com (remember to spell "music" with a K, though they're in Cornwall,not Germany!)you'll see it listed about the second title down on their homepage. If you click on it, there's a list of all the tracks. (I don't work for MusikFolk and am not making any profit on anything, promise. I mention this because I keep recommending them to people who are after various folk recordings - they're a very good retail site and seem to be able to find just about anything.) If you haven't come across Peter's musical setting of "Danny Deever" be sure to give it a listen if you can - it's great. I know Tim Laycock used to sing it (or still does)with concertina, and if he's recorded it, I can tell you it's an excellent rendition. Happy hunting. Wish Peter could know how many people love his music and miss him...


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Subject: RE: Re; Music to Kipling poem
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 08:29 AM

Bonnie, I can see youre going to be a real handy person to have around! *S*


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Subject: RE: Re; Music to Kipling poem
From: MMario
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 08:32 AM

yup - that's one of the "missing tunes" in the DT. (hint)


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Subject: RE: Re; Music to Kipling poem
From: Barry Finn
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 09:25 PM

Have to back up Bonnie, Kipling/Belamy's Danny Deever is a killer (heh, heh), used to sing it playing a soft death march on a bodhran behind it, strangly enough, it mixes very well. Another that I love is Frankie's Trade & another is his "I Once Lived in Service" from his ballad opera 'The Transports' & another one is.... It's years since I had the great luck to hear him, I can still see his performence in a flashingly bright red suit, covering the whole stage singing his shanty Roll Down. Quite a talent, quite a loss. Barry


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Subject: RE: Re; Music to Kipling poem
From: Anglo
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 09:55 PM

To come back to the original question, "We have fed our seas" has been recorded by Louis Killen (A Seaman's Garland, KnockOut! KO04) and by John Roberts (Naulakha Redux, Golden Hind GHM-104). "Poor Old Horse" in New York City (Heather Wood, David Jones & Tom Gibney) sing it, but I don't think they've recorded it yet.

And I don't know about it being on "numerous Peter Bellamy recordings" unless you followed him around with a tape recorder. It _is_ on Wake The Vaulted Echoes, it's _not_ on Mr Bellamy, Mr Kipling And The Tradition.


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Subject: RE: Re; Music to Kipling poem
From: GUEST,mgarvey@pacifier.com
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 10:22 PM

I remember there is a website of someone who has collected tunes to Kipling's words. I keep meaning to email him again. I put Helen all alone to a tune and eep meaning to do the gift of the sea. Will Pint..are you here? Didn't you do one about seals? And Mark B. about a robber or smugglers or something? Anyone know of any other tunes to his words? I need to email h im again.

mg


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Subject: RE: Re; Music to Kipling poem
From: GUEST,mgarvey@pacifier.com
Date: 10 Jan 02 - 11:21 PM

here is the url

http://www.kipling.org.uk/settings1.htm


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: shanty_steve
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 05:46 AM

'And I don't know about it being on "numerous Peter Bellamy recordings" ...', well its on the following.

'The Maritime England Suite' Produced by the BBC and privately released by Peter Bellamy in 1982, and subsequently privately re-released by Jenny Bellamy.

'Rudyard Kipling Made Exceedingly Good Songs' Released by DAMBUSTER in 1989 as 12-inch LP DAM 019.

'An anthology of Rudyard Kipling songs' Released by Peter Bellamy, in 1990, as cassette-only release intended to be available solely on an American tour.

'Wake the Vaulted Echoes'

Does four count as numerous releases? The last of these is by a distance the easiest to obtain, and would grace any record collection.


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Les from Hull
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 09:16 AM

Buy 'Wake the Vaulted Echoes'. That would be my answer to quite a lot of questions involving 'I'm looking for some good songs'. I know that not everyone could get on with the Elmer P Bleaty (anag) voice, but I love it, me.


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: lamarca
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 10:12 AM

I fell in love with Pete's settings after hearing John Roberts and Tony Barrand sing some of them in the early 80's, and then Peter himself on some of his last American tours. Heather Wood was selling one of Peter's home re-releases on tape, "Puck's Songs" at New York Pinewoods events and festivals - I don't know if she has any left. The tape has all the songs Peter set from Puck of Pook's Hill and Rewards and Fairies, my 2 favorite Kipling children's books.

Another great collection of other folks doing Peter's settings is "The Widow's Uniform", which is all soldiers' songs from Barrack Room Ballads and other poems, sung by Dave Webber, Anni Fentiman, Brian Peters and ?, from a stage show they did several years ago. Dave, Anni and Brian did a set of those at Pinewoods this summer for the first time in several years, and had so much fun they started talking about trying to revive the show!

I have two current favorites: I sing "The Land", a Reader's Digest condensed version of English history from the Romans to the 1800's, and my husband and I have been performing "A Smuggler's Song" for years. This spring we're going to do an entire set of Kipling songs at NEFFA.

I am still looking for a copy of "Rudyard Kipling Made Exceedingly Good Songs" - I keep getting beat out every time one shows up on www.rockinworld.com or recordorium.com. Any folks out there have an extra copy they'd like to sell me, or would be willing to tape for me? Please send me a PM...


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: richardw
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 11:20 AM

Some if not most of Peter's tapes can be purchased from Jenny Bellamy in the UK. I recently bought one on Kipling from her. I am reluctant to post her email on an open forum as I can't remember how I got it. So, if you are interested leave me a message here on the cat and I'll forward it to you.

Richard Wright


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Anglo
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 11:45 AM

My apologies, Shanty Steve. I haven't had access to those privately released recordings; I didn't know it was on the Dambuster LP (I've nefver been able to find a copy); and I didn't do my research.


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Kipling
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 01:02 PM

Well i'm staggered. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to my search. I've got lots of ideas to try.It's my first time using mudcat and the response has been great especially when you see people's enthusiasm for a similar subject to you.Thanks again everyone for your help and advice.


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Francy
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 01:38 PM

Tony Barrand and John Roberts put out a CD in 1997 entitled: "Naulakha Redux:Songs of Rudyard Kipling Golden Hind Music GHM-104-CD.Many references to Petper Bellamy and the website MaryGarvey mention....A real well done album......Thanks for all the input...a good thread all the way....Frank of Toledo


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 03:11 PM

Thread creep, I know, but who WAS it who said I don't know, I've never Kippled?


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 03:25 PM

So I did a search for that as a quotation, no luck, most people attribute it to the Muppets but it predates that by far... but I did find all KINDS of fun stuff! Put "I've never kippled" into Google and see what pops up, including (for you trekkie lyricists) a whole list of "words that rhyme with Captain Picard" - I kid you not!

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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 06:18 PM

At Haddenham Folk Festival last month, Dave and Anni, with Cockersdale and John Morris, presented an excellent show of Kipling poems set to Peter Bellamy tunes (Jenny was in the audience).


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: lamarca
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 06:41 PM

Well, Mrrzy, I've googled a bit, too, and found some sites that say the source of the quote was a cartoon postcard from the early 1900's:

"And what editor, or anyone for that matter, would ever dream that six million people would go out and purchase a simple boy/girl postcard created by Donald McGill in the early 1900s with this caption:
He: "How do you like Kipling?"
She: "I don't know, you naughty boy. I've never Kippled.""

This attribution is apparently given in an essay by George Orwell, The Art of Donald McGill. McGill was apparently also responsible for the venerable one-liners:

"I like seeing experienced girls home."

"But I'm not experienced yet!"

"You're not home yet!"

* * * * * *

"I've been struggling for years to get a fur coat. How did you get yours?"

"I gave up struggling."

* * * * * *

Judge: "You are prevaricating, sir. Did you or did you not sleep with this woman?"

Correspondent: "Not a wink, my lord."

I, myself have Kippled delightedly and frequently!


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 07:25 PM

There are other people out there who write tunes to Kipples, not just PB... just can't remember the names at the moment, but he put a tune to 'Harp song of the Dane women' for a 3 female singng group variously known as Steel Bunny or Capriole.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 02 - 07:36 PM

So a Kipperling ISN'T a small, smoked Fish?


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Subject: Lyr Add: We Have Fed You All For A Thousand Years
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 17 Jun 03 - 10:24 PM

I was leafing through the little red book: IWW Songs to Fan the Flames of Discontent, and came on

"We Have Fed You All for a Thousand Years"

We have fed you all for a thousand years
And you hail us still unfed,
Though there's never a dollar of all your wealth
But marks the workers' dead.
We have yielded our best to give you rest
And you lie on crimson wool.
Then if blood be the price of all your wealth,
Good God! We have paid it in full!

There is never a mine blown skyward now
But we're buried alive for you.
There's never a wreck drifts shoreward now
But we are its ghastly crew.
Go reckon our dead by the forges red
And the factories where we spin.
If blood be the price of your cursed wealth,
Good God! We have paid it in!

We have fed you all for a thousand years --
For that was our doom, you know,
From the days when you chained us in your fields
To the strike a week ago.
You have taken our lives, and our babies and wives,
And we're told it's your legal share,
But if blood be the price of your lawful wealth,
Good God! We have bought it fair!

the citation is thus:
(written by 'An Unknown Proletarian,' music by Von Lieben)
(first listed printing, Industrial Union BUlletin, April 18, 1908)


(It's on page 26 in my 34th edition copy of Songs of the Workers.)

Obviously, a re-write of Kipling's poem. However, anyone know the tune that's referenced?? Von Lieben is not among the authors of settings listed at Brian Mattinson's web site (mentioned above).

~ Becky in Tucson

Click to play


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Marion in Cornwall
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 01:56 AM

This is the Peter Bellamy tune. I've had a quick look and I don't think it's been posted before.
Sorry Becky - don't know the answer to your question.


X:2
T:We Have Fed Our Seas
N:Words by Rudyard Kipling, music by Peter Bellamy
Q:1/4=70
I:abc2nwc
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:Bb
FE|D2C2B,2B,C|D2E2F2DF|E2D2B,2C2|B,6 (3(FG)A|
B B2A G2(GB)|(B3/2G/2) (FE) F3 (3(FGA)|
B2F F2D (D2|C6) (3(FG)A|B2(BA) G2GB|
B2(EF) F2 (3(FG)A|B2FF F2(ED)|(D2C4)[1(DC)|
B,2B,C D2F2|G2A2B4|(BG) F2DD C2-|CB, B,6:|
[2(DC)|B,2B,C D2F2|G2F2F2(DC)|B,2B,C D2F2|
G2A2B4|(BG) F2DD C2-|CB, B,6:|
[2(DC)|B,2B,C D2F2|G2F2D2(DC)|B,2B,C D2F2|
G2F2F2(DC)|B,2B,C D2F2|G2A2B4|(BG) F2DD C2-|CB, B,6


Regards
Marion


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: MMario
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 10:11 AM

woo-hoo! Another one off the list - Two; as the Von Leibich words above could be sung to the Bellamy tune as well -

anyone have the Von Leibich?


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 10:42 AM

I have been known to have the occasional Kipple myself. Mind you, I was once asked if I liked Dickens. The next thing I remember is waking up outside the library...

On a more serious (and possibly relevant) note I must admit I am not fond of poetry. I could never, and probably never will, go into raptures over the grace of a well penned sonnet. As soon as I heard Kiplings words set to music though I knew at least one part of my poetic blind spot had been removed. The musis just made all the difference to me. It was like a veil being lifted. So, a belated thanks to Rudyard and Peter:-)

A good reference site if you fancy a Kipple yourself is http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/words/authors/K/KiplingRudyard/index.html

Enjoy.

Dave the Gnome
(Favourite line - The uniform he wore, it were nothing much before, and rather less than half of that behind...)


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 06:27 AM

Or more corectly (Should have used the reference site first!)

The uniform 'e wore
Was nothin' much before,
An' rather less than 'arf o' that be'ind


DtG


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 03:09 PM

Here is a pretty impressive site about Peter Bellamy which I just found by chance. I don't know if anyone has drawn people's attention to it yet.

Not the least interesting part of it is that, when you click through to the page on Peter Bellamy and Kipling, if your speakers are switched on, you should hear Peter himself talking about it.


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 07:55 PM

I should mention Leslie Fish and Michael Longcor from the filk community, who have both Kippled. I tossed two of Leslie's settings into the Kipling workshop at last year's FSGW Getaway ("A Pict Song" and "Rimini") and my partner-in-filk (and other things ) Sheryl tossed in Leslie's setting of "Danegeld".

Leslie has a CD of her settings available through http://www.random-factors.com/fish.htm. Page down to "Our Fathers Of Old".

Michael has a CD of his settings available through http://www.firebirdarts.com/music/3music34.shtml. Page down to "Norman and Saxon". There are a couple of sound files available.

-- Gary


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: fox4zero
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 08:45 PM

1930's movie with Cary Grant and Carole Lombard:

Grant: "Do you like Kipling"?

Lombard: "I don't know, I've never Kippled"

I still remember the scene 40 years later. What a pair of actors!


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jul 03 - 06:54 AM

Mmario, I expect you already have these tunes, but just in case,
Road To Mandaly--Ten Thousand Miles Away
Screw Guns---Eton Boating Song (not done by PB I think)


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: Lanfranc
Date: 03 Jul 03 - 10:54 AM

To my intense disappointment, the music links on the Peter Bellamy site Kevin gave above were not working when I tried them.

I will have to try again some other time.

Alan


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jul 03 - 10:01 AM

I couldn't get them to work either. Maybe there's some special version of RealAudio we need to install. Or maybe there's a lot of traffic on the line or something. Still I bought got the Double CD last year, and that's got all the songs.

Anyway, Peter Bellamy's talk is very well worth listening to, and you should get that by clicking on the "Peter keeps Kippling" link.


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Subject: RE: Re: Music to Kipling poem
From: GUEST,Denise:^), house-sitting
Date: 04 Jul 03 - 01:52 PM

Another Kipling poem set to music (and I'm not home, to go and check who did the 'setting') is "A Pilgrim's Way," which I have on the recording "Lost in Song" by Finest Kind (Ian Robb, Shelley Posen and Ann Downey).
It's one of my favorites on that CD...

Denise:^)


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