Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004

Subject: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 06 May 03 - 07:37 PM

I'm still all played out after Groningen; that Letty throws one mother of a party. It is now apparently in the public domain that she has passed the baton to me, and the European Mudgathering for 2004 will be in, for want of a couple of miles across the river, Hull9.

Yes, Americans, your chance to personally berate the drivelmeisters of PTH threads galore. Meet jOhn from Hull's hamster. Theorize on the exact whearabouts of Twillingsgate. Polish the wheel of Oakley's icebreaker as he milks his beloved Friesians. Taste the legendary phall (?) curry from Mustafa's takeaway, delivered by jOhn 9it's a big rip-off).

Or if you prefer simpler pleasures, attend the mother of all sessions, where Oakley's splendid Cara have kindly agreed to do a couple of sets, attend sessions in the Sloop (with added frisson of a PEL raid) and the Sun in Beverley, enjoy the now-traditional cultural tour, this time being Hull, with a few other sideshows and musical happenings.

So you have a year to finally do that trip to the UK you have promised yourself. Just worry about the airfare, as your accommodation will be sorted out via the Mudcat Hotel, which works so well for many of us who have availed of it.

It will be the first weekend in May 2004, starting on the Friday night, Saturday daytime and night, Sunday afternoon and night, departing Monday (which is a public holiday in the UK). No excuses, now. Just scrape ten bucks a week together, and get yourself over here.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Bassic
Date: 06 May 03 - 09:03 PM

And from anywhere else in the world 2!! Greg, Can I come on the brewery sponsership fact findin9 trip with you?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: alanww
Date: 06 May 03 - 09:05 PM

Just love the concept Skip, but from my own perspective I hate the weekend chosen of Friday 30 April to Monday 3 May 2004.

It will clash with Upton-upon-Severn and Moor and Coast (Whitby) Folk Festivals, the Sweeps Festival (Rochester) and the Jack in the Green Festival (Hastings) in the UK. This year I was at Upton, along with lots of other Mudcatters. I was sad that I had to choose between singing with the Shellback Chorus and dancing with Tarka Morris Men at Upton or going to Groningen with the Mudcat ... :o(

In addition, the weekend would include Mayday, when some Mudcatters will have other commitments, eg many morris sides go out early on Mayday and, as it will be on a Saturday, there will no doubt be many extra events organised. And then there are the pagan/beltaine ceremonies to celebrate the coming of spring ... :o(

Also, would the flights from the USA and Europe be more expensive, given it would be a holiday weekend? :o(

Very sorry to pour cold water on it, as I agree that the earlier it can be planned the more chance of us all being able to keep it clear in our diaries. Anyway I'm sure that it will be a great weekend, however many Mudcatters are able to attend - just as Groningen was by all reports. Bravo for volunteering to organise it! :o)

"Then to the maypole haste away ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Midchuck
Date: 06 May 03 - 09:38 PM

Would be an awful lot simpler if it were during US school vacation - Late June thru Mid-August.

I could seriously consider it, then. I'd love to go back to the UK and take Kris.

P.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 07 May 03 - 09:58 AM

Will there be any opportunity to punch some h9orses?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: MMario
Date: 07 May 03 - 10:13 AM

oh sure! Tempt me. tease me.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Noreen
Date: 07 May 03 - 10:14 AM

Brill, Skippy! Count me in.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Tinker
Date: 07 May 03 - 10:15 AM

Hmmm, if I start telling everyone now that I won't be around, and I consider it a Mother's Day present and ..... Oh, this one is very tempting....

Kathy

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Noreen
Date: 07 May 03 - 10:16 AM

Whatever you say, MMario....

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From:
Date: 07 May 03 - 11:40 AM

You silver tongued devil you, I guess I'll be there!!

There are a few bits of very important information that need posting;

1) The sheep around that area are very pretty, so if you Americin's come first, you'll get the pretty ones!

2)There is no charge as yet in the UK for air, and as such is still free, Americans and other off shore dwellers, except Europeans can buy bottled/canned air at exorbitant prices from the Hull9 Freshair company (Contact John9 of Hull)

THE DATES ARE; April (Fri 30) 1st-3rd of May.

Airports are; Leeds/Bradford, Manchester,Sheffield and Humberside, so there's a good choice. Humberside the nearest. Leeds/Bradford might get a Viking taxi if convenient. Ferry from Zeebrugge (Belgium) or Rotterdam (Netherlands) arrrive in Hull at about 08.30 and leave at 19.00 hours and 21.00 hrs respectively.Busses to The area from North, south East and West, so from London, Wales, Cornwall, Scotland and in between are possible. Trains run into Hull from York, Leeds, Doncaster etc, all connect with the whole UK. Maps will be posted, links will be posted etc all in good time.

ADD THREAD TO YOUR TRACER

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 07 May 03 - 01:03 PM

Should sheep not be your thing (because things are bigger in America), Oakley hires out young pretty cows for a nominal fee. (only joking, he's quite expensive really)

So start saving !

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Letty
Date: 07 May 03 - 01:11 PM

Yep, I'm coming (depending on cash-flow and dog-sitter availability)!
Don't care about the sheep though.
About clashing folk festivals: I can see where you're coming from, Alan, but as I was planning Groningen, it turned out there would be folk festivals all over the UK in every weekend in May...

Love, Letty


Eric: don't worry, you didn't frighten Max away entirely, as he's MSNing me regularly now!
Wheee! (this doesn't mean the wedding's off though)

Quote from Willem the Moose: "Letty? Cool? Hm, let's see, she likes folk music and hangs around on computer forums."

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Peg
Date: 07 May 03 - 01:18 PM

It sounds great but I agree that the May 1st weekend is really not the most opportune time. It's not just that there are music festivals, but specifically festive and pagan events for May Day/Beltane taking place...both in the UK and in the USA. I know Micca for example attends a May Day thing with the giants every year...

If all else is equal in terms of other May weekends haviung music conflicts, then why can't another weekend be chosen?

It's hard to schedule things and please everyone!

Good luck anyway...

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 07 May 03 - 01:21 PM

It's also still in the middle of the school year for those of us chained to the US public education system. July/August would be much better!

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: smallpiper
Date: 07 May 03 - 01:22 PM

Darrza idea skip but shit weekend to hold it. I would prefer the last bank holiday weekend in May as it clashes with Cleathorpes festival which is prety poo anyway (as opposed to he first bank holiday weekend which clashes with Moor and Coast which is brill). That gives us the same amount of time and the yanks and other worlders a couple of weeks more saving time. What d'ya think eh go on you know I'm right.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 May 03 - 01:28 PM

So .......... I wouldn't have to bring Bossy the stump trained cow then? This might be affordable. But I have to agree that the weekend doesn't work very well.

Mick

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: MMario
Date: 07 May 03 - 01:34 PM

now the *LAST* weekend in May, 2004 will be a three day weekend for those of Us in the US.

though during school breaks would be better yet.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 07 May 03 - 03:01 PM

I think it's become something of a traddition (well 3 years anyway and next makes 4)Any weekend will always have someting better or worse to do, just depends on which you think is better. I know what I'll be doing. It's a school holiday on the first weekend in May, so it's the only time I can get to get three days in a row. We've travelled to Germany, Belgium and Holland, not always easy, staying up overnight in an airport, taking long train rides, rushing like hell to get ferries etc, but I think the mad dash and full weekend is great.Loads made Ireland and that was only a weekend.Oh well, off to a session now. Cheers

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 07 May 03 - 04:31 PM

Thank you for your many responses. It is a tough call, but I would like to give the casting vote to tradition, and that's the weekend we have the Eurogathering. As several have commented, any weekend will be bad for some or many reasons, and I would also suggest that the higher airfares those avaricious airlines screw out of us during school holidays may even deter more international visitors.

Sure, it's a bad weekend for May Pole manufacturers, anarchists, even unrecontructed socialists (the un-New), and I acknowledge the other festivals around the place, but what we are doing with this particular festival is continuing our own tradition, however young, and hoping to attract both veteran Eurogatherers and other curious Mudcatters, rather than empty Upton on Severn or Whitby. Thus the invitation to Americans, Canucks, Argentinians, Icelanders, Japanese and Australian Mudcatters (forgive me if I have not listed your non-European country). The other festivals are not Mudcat gatherings, so this one should not interfere with their adherents.

As my good friend (and awful bedmate) the Viking has poetically stated, we have made certain well worthwhile sacrifices to attend these gatherings, and if we are as relatively few in number as some Mudgathers, I can only dream that we will be as strong in spirit.

Greg

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: smallpiper
Date: 07 May 03 - 07:13 PM

Oh well then it may be that this branch of the mudcat hotel is closed that weekend along with quiet a few other Hull branches that always attend Moor and coast.

Come on Skipper get yer head on the last weekend coincides with a US holiday as well (as has already been stated) and it would be much better if it didn't clash with one of the anual exodus' of Hull catters to Whitby.

Just my thoughts on the subject.... erm?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Oaklet
Date: 07 May 03 - 07:23 PM

And what about the 3rd International Barton Tripe Festival that occurs on the same weekend? Do you think that Mr Benson will take this lying down?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: smallpiper
Date: 07 May 03 - 07:27 PM

Rubbish you've got your dates wrong again Oakers and any way by then it'll be the 4th International Barton Tripe festival and you will win again!

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Big Mick
Date: 08 May 03 - 01:28 AM

I would certainly understand keeping it where it is. If I can pull it off, I will.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 03 - 02:17 AM

Wales would be a much better location and lets move the date to just before the start of school in August.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From:
Date: 08 May 03 - 03:38 AM

Hey guest, start yer own-we'll come. Then someone willsay it classhes with fylde F F.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 08 May 03 - 03:50 AM

Who was it said trying to organise Mudcatters is like herding cats?

RtS
(apart from me that is....)

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Jeri
Date: 08 May 03 - 07:05 AM

I rarely have enough disposable income to spend on CDs, let alone trans-Atlantic jaunts, plus my ears don't do well on airplanes. I haven't ruled this out though.

Why doesn't someone win the lottery and charter an airplane? Or better: we 1) find a schooner, 2) sign on as crew, and 3) sing shanties all the way over there.

Roger, regarding 'herding', the best method I've seen so far involves putting out the food and drink for the 'herd' in a nice, comfy place, and the individual long-lost critters of the Mudcritter-fold just sort of all come a-gathrin' in on their own. (ref to 'Master of the Sheepfold')

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: GUEST,vectis
Date: 08 May 03 - 07:22 PM

What a brilliant idea! :-)
Wrong weekend. :-(
I'm already booked for Mayday weekend 2004 as are huge numbers of Mudcatters. Looks like you'll have the place to yourselves.
Not the best of planning chaps and chapesses :-((

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Gareth
Date: 09 May 03 - 07:26 AM

Gareth - Pretending to be Anon Guest.

Hmmm ! "Over here, over expensed, and over our sheep !!!"

Gareth

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From:
Date: 09 May 03 - 10:38 AM

Dunno how anyone can say we've chosen the wrong weekend.(The date for this year, 2003, has been public/thread knowledge for a year) This will be the fourth Eurogathering taking place on the weekend that includes the UK Mayday Monday bank holiday.There is no reason to change it,if we do then someone else won't be able to get there. There are many weekends that I can't get to, if I can't I can't. I don't criticise the organisers of them, I just say tough luck that's how it is.

Anyway, enough defending the date. If you can make it, do so, you'll be made most welcome. If you can't then (for future referance)2005 Eurogathering will take place over the Mayday bank holiday.You now have 358 days to get organised or 723 days for 2005.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: JudeL
Date: 09 May 03 - 01:43 PM

Sorry , much as I would like to meet catters from across the pond, as has been said the reason many of us haven't gone to the groningen one is because it has been organised for mayday bank holiday weekend. Oh well maybe I'll get to meet them at another gathering such as Portaferry if it happens again next year.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Letty
Date: 09 May 03 - 03:48 PM

As I recall, the main reason for choosing the May holiday weekend originally was to give us poor continental 'catters a chance to come...
You Brits are just spoilt for choice! :-)
Festival here, festival there, there's never a bleeding festival 'round here (well, once a year, but not in May, and it's a boring one)


Anyway, being a waste-of-space-student-plus-part-time-lecturer,
I'll probably show up any time!

Letty

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 May 03 - 04:10 PM

May BH - Upton upon 7 - the river is narrower, the bridge sways a lot less and I can get there in 40 minutes with caravan. No contest really.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Snuffy
Date: 10 May 03 - 01:02 PM

But next year it's not just the May Bank Holiday weekend, it's also May 1st as well. There are many people who would be normally be free that weekend but have commitments at sunrise on May 1st anyway.

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: kendall
Date: 10 May 03 - 02:19 PM

I'm as loose as ashes, so, doesn't matter when it is. So, if I'm still above ground, I'll be there.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 May 03 - 02:42 PM

If Mick is pulling something off, I will be there as well.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 10 May 03 - 04:25 PM

Mick/Kendall/Sinsull, Bloody great, you be exceedingly welcome, just give us the info and we'll sort things out. Accomodation etc.

Snuffy-then you'll be up on time to get over to the eurogathering.

Letty, my bride to be, unless Max gets on with it! The Eurogathering was first over the May weekend and gave us Brits time to get over and back to Germany with Wolfgang. It seems only fitting and right that we do the same.

The stalwarts will be there still (all being well)

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 10 May 03 - 04:31 PM

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=59455&messages=37

Should this thread be renamed

Mudcat eurogathering 2004 ? with a link?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Letty
Date: 10 May 03 - 04:38 PM

Eric, will we continentals have a chance to spot Englishmen in strange outfits on 1 May?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: smallpiper
Date: 11 May 03 - 04:44 AM

Answering on EtV's behalf I think the answer could be yes The Green Ginger Morris usually cavort a bit on May 1st somewhere around Hull.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 11 May 03 - 02:37 PM

You've seen me in my "babe magnet" pyjamas, what else do ye want girl!!!

I dunno never satisfied some folks!

Worse than that was Skippy in his towel trying to do a Roman Toga impersination ! !

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Letty
Date: 11 May 03 - 03:03 PM

Eric, I guess there's just no pleasing some people...


Letty

*must...resist...making...jokes about maypole"s*

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 11 May 03 - 06:17 PM

Well, I guess lolly stick was more to Skipjacks condition......

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 May 03 - 09:06 PM

Let's see. I need a passport, a Visa, a sheep and a llama, bourbon balls, Pepto Bismol...am I forgetting anything?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: mg
Date: 12 May 03 - 01:17 AM

I'm going to try and make it too...have a hankering to go to Hull...mg

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 03 - 02:14 AM

I'm glad to see we have settled on Wales in August, the final point is the weekend and town. I suggest Cardiff on the first weekend.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From:
Date: 12 May 03 - 03:23 AM

Sinsull....Lubrication (for the sheep, what else?)

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: GUEST,amergin
Date: 12 May 03 - 05:22 AM

not i...will be going to sydney next year...

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Helen
Date: 12 May 03 - 06:50 AM

Okay, I have to know so that I can start saving now: How many North Americans do I have to collect for a free ticket to MudUK2004? The title says "Start saving North Americans" but I can't find the fine print which tells me how many and when the deadline is.

I'm seriously tempted to come over, but it doesn't fit in with my teaching commitments which go from Feb through to June and July through to November, here in Oz.

Helen

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Tig
Date: 12 May 03 - 06:25 PM

Sorry to say it but the choice of weekend is ill considered.

Badger and I would love to attend ANY gathering we could possibly afford but we are out with the stall that weekend and having had to forgo promises to be there this year due to Badger's heart attack we must go next year to keep up commitments.

Shame as I had heard it was going to be in the UK next year and was looking forward to being able to go.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: oombanjo
Date: 13 May 03 - 02:59 PM

May be a bit late with this ,But I side with John on the last bank hol of the month, Cleathorps has gone backwards after the alterations to the front of the Winter gardens We tryed to play in there last year and the sound was totally dead.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 13 May 03 - 03:46 PM

It's where it's at. If we choose another date, someone else will start moaning. It's been that date for 3 years, it will be that date for year 4. They won't change Whitby for me because I can't make it, nor any of the other things that happen.Sorry, I don't mean offence. Portaferry worked out just right for me this year. It might not next year, if the dates change it could or could not work out. It's just how it is. No offence to anyone.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 13 May 03 - 04:46 PM

Hope its another great gathering. I haven't been able to make a EuroGathering yet due to other committments and sadly I am busy that weekend (as we are every year). Maybe another year.......

Make sure lots of photos get posted!!!

Khatt

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Letty
Date: 13 May 03 - 04:49 PM

catsPhiddle, have you checked out the pics from this year's meeting?

They're here.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: MMario
Date: 13 May 03 - 04:49 PM

I think Helen is correct - you really should be moree explicit about how many North Americans need to be saved and in particular of what variety. Canadians should be worth more, because there are less of them. Do Mexican's count? That's North America according to some maps, though other maps place it as Central America.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 13 May 03 - 04:54 PM

Great Piccies Letty!

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: mooman
Date: 13 May 03 - 05:57 PM

That weekend hasn't prevented a brill last three EuroGathers and any weekend from the beginning of May on will clash with something. So stick with it Greg and count us both in as definites! This the the Mudcat EuroGather....there are literally dozens of other festivals to choose from in the UK over the summer.

The McMoos

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Helen
Date: 13 May 03 - 06:57 PM

MMario,

I'm starting to worry that this is one of those scams we hear so much about.

Maybe it works this way: I send in all the North Americans I can collect and they tell me it's not enough and I should have read the fine print, or they tell me that I am disqualified because according to the fine print Mexicans aren't considered to be North Americans.

Helen

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: smallpiper
Date: 13 May 03 - 08:37 PM

My argument for changing the date is that a lot (and I mean a lot) of the local catters will not be here and since we have one of the highest if not the highest concentration of catters in the world then perhaps it should be considered.

If not then fair enough. But think about it don't just dismiss it.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From:
Date: 14 May 03 - 03:38 AM

John, always 2 weeks after the Eurogathering is the Yorkshire gathering,if we move it a week either way, then we would spoil the Yorkshire gathering that Mrs Duck works hard at.

MMario. Sorry Skipjack is a slack git. You need; 1 ex president, to replace our prime minister. 2 Texan oil tycoons, 1 famous female film star of dubious age,made up to look 19. 1 burnt out clown who sells beef burgers.6 ordinary citizens, but no mexicans. Hispaniolics can count, and a genuine native American can be included, only a genuine mexican bandito could be included if you can't find a worthy ex president. If you get the set, you can stay for the whole weekend.

Richard, thanks for your support.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: MudGuard
Date: 14 May 03 - 04:35 AM

Greg, don't move it.

Whatever different date would be chosen, some people will find reasons against it.

So for tradition, keep the date!

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: mooman
Date: 14 May 03 - 04:53 AM

As I have mentioned elsewhere, this is a EuroGathering and the proposed dates are particularly good for most mainland European visitors as they coincide with public holidays in mainland Europe. Moving the dates because they happen to clash with a couple of the many dozens of UK festivals, all attended by many different UK 'Catters, will inevitably mean far few mainland European attendees. Any alternative date will clash with something

So please, Greg, stick with the dates suggested as there was sound reasoning behind choosing them!

All the best,

moo

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Les from Hull
Date: 14 May 03 - 09:46 AM

I too am not so sure about May Day Bank Holiday, because I've always gone to Moor and Coast. As 'pliers says it may cut down on the rooms available to Hotel Mudcat. But I suppose we could see who is coming and who not and make arrangements nearer the time.

In answer to earlier remarks, as far as I know Green Ginger Morris dance at the Black Mill (it's a former windmill, not a pub) on Beverley Westwood at dawn on May Day. That's bloody early I can tell you! Maggie and I went once. Just once. We might be daft but we're not stupid.

In the event of us going to Whitby anyway next year, we may be convinced to leave our front door keys behind.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From:
Date: 14 May 03 - 10:23 AM

Thankyou Les for your understanding.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 May 03 - 10:29 AM

and people can see the big fish deep see museum in hull as well, its the best one in the werld, look here=www.thedeep.com

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: smallpiper
Date: 14 May 03 - 11:23 AM

Well I've had my say and shall say no more on the subject

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 14 May 03 - 05:28 PM

Sorry to say but choice of weekend will clash with just about everything else.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 14 May 03 - 07:25 PM

Helen, you have exposed my scam to add more colonials to my collection, but you do count, so I am prepared to redeem Australians at the Oz Dollar rate on the day.

Thank you to the more considered corespondents for your input, and Smallpliers, it pains me most that you will be absent, but the erudite Moo, and the plain rude Viking have succinctly stated the case that this is a Eurogathering that happens to be in Blighty, not a permutation to achieve a world record gathering of Catters. That will be in the States/Canada in 2006, and I hope the many contributors here will make as much effort to be there.

I doubt my poor village could accomodate the numbers that the mythical 'good' weekend would attract, and in the young tradition of these gatherings, we enjoy the songs and tunes of our visitors, rather than impose our already well known musical genres on them. I mention this to illustrate the need to keep a good balance of guests and hosts.

Thanks for your keys, Les. Is it OK if Oakley and a heifer move in?

Greg

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 May 03 - 08:17 PM

IF I can save the money to get over, I will be going to Hastings and the Yorks Gather, but I plan to stay a bit, maybe 3 weeks, so maybe I can get to Hull if not for the Gather there.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 14 May 03 - 08:48 PM

Look it's late 01.50, I'm tired-I've typing for hours since 18.50hrs (reports)

The date is the bloody date. If anyone cares to explore the history of eurogatherings and look back through all the threads, you'll find out that;

It's been that date for 3 years now

Never before have people got so screwed up about the date.

Never before have so many people expressed an interst in the "Eurogathering", you've had 3 years knowing that it takes place when it does, you've never come to it, so why start now because it's on your doorstep? We arn't asking you to come, we arn't asking you to stay away, it's your own choice!You'll be very welcome, if you don't come, you wont get slagged off or critised.

We have had the most excellent fun and good times possible.

You could have come to Germany, Belgium and Holland, You can go to the next one the year after next (but I doubt you'll bother as it clashes with something else.

Jane how would you like it to be May 16th? Or clash with the Yorkshire gathering?

The date is not ill considered-it's the date it happens, same as Cambridge, Cleckheaton, Upton, Moor and Coast, Whitby, Fylde, Broadstairs, Cropredy and the hundreds of others that take place over the different weekends. etc.

I have the choice of going to what I want to. If I didn't want to go to any of them, then that's my choice.

You have the same choice. Didn't see many people moaning about the date for Portaferry, or Stony Stratford, or Llangstock.

if you can and want to make it, please do so.

I can only say that on behalf of my self and Greg, to all the wonderful europeans that I've met and enjoyed the company of over the last three years. Thankyou-I'll see you next year I hope.

This is a EUROGATHERING,-europe, not a Brits mudcat meet, it's for anyone! USA, NZ, Canada,The Congo, the moon!!(Except the Welsh!-Sorry Gareth, only joking)

Now then Greg-do I have to get ruder?

I'm not posting on this subject again,(The date that is) unless I have to-I don't like getting wound up with people. I know many of you and have a high regard for you.

Come or don't, your choice!

Good morning............

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 May 03 - 09:30 PM

I might go, if i'm not doing nowt.john

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: stevetheORC
Date: 15 May 03 - 02:46 AM

'Viking' what is it exactly that you are trying to get across to us here???? :-))))))

De Orc

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 15 May 03 - 03:37 AM

Sorcha.....Grand!!!......however the EuroGathering clashes with Hastings!

You have a room to stay in here!

Khatt

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From:
Date: 15 May 03 - 03:39 AM

Good morning,less stressed,had some sleep.Worked 17 hours yeaterday. Mr ORC I am trying to get over to everyone, that the date for the Eurogathering, which is open to all,is and has been extremely friendly and cordial, is staying at the date it is, whatever the convenience or inconvenience it is to anyone. That there are always other things to which people have a choice of activities and involvement. That to change the date, would maybe hinder many of the European mudcatters in their attempst to attend, and those who already plan to. Since the Eurogathering takes place within Europe (of which Britain, like it or not is part) It rotates around the countries from which Mudcatters come from and are kind enough to offer to put the gathering on each year. This year it is Skipjack who has offered.

Setting up a Eurogathering is not without expence, so it really is an alturistic gesture. There has been so much critisism of the date that it seems unfair. Agreed Skip and I know many of the mudcatters who have told us the date is wrong for them.(Many think the "Historic" date is ok) But truthfully, many have gone to all the other activities over the years and not the Eurogathering, I see little reason for them to change unless they wish to, but they like all of us have to choose.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Helen
Date: 15 May 03 - 07:37 AM

Well, MMario, EtV@work   & Skipjack have cleared that up. Now where am I going to find all those North Americans?

Helen

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Letty
Date: 15 May 03 - 07:53 AM

If you're hesitating between attending Moor & Coast or the EuroGathering, because you might miss the Clog Dance Workshop in Whitby on the Saturday morning,
I, as an official Dutch citizen, can probably be persuaded to give my very own, authentic clog workshop. Bring your own clogs (and I will borrow Ruth's)!
Oh, and I won't ask you 2 quid for it either. Just by me a drink (not more than 2 whiskeys, mind).

:-)

Letty

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 15 May 03 - 08:18 AM

I don't think it is that!

The Euro Gathering hasn't been well attended by large quantities of UK catters, average number 6. If people are going to travel a long distance wouldn't it be nice for them to meet alot of the UK catters. Yorkshire has masses of catters who just cant make it Mayday weekend due to prior commitments. Im all for tradition which is why we cant make it that weekend. Why not combine the Euro Gathering with the Yorkshire Gathering (If Mrs Duck doesn't mind) People join forces.....lending lots of catter hands. There is a venue and its a weekend that the Majority not the minority can attend.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: stevetheORC
Date: 15 May 03 - 08:56 AM

I agree totaly with Cat,It unfortunatly clashes with Hastings and the dreaded Morris Dancers. So combining it with the Yorkshire gathering would make a lot of sense.
Mr Viking Sir I was joking please dont take my comments tooooooo seriously :-)

De Orc

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: mooman
Date: 15 May 03 - 12:42 PM

I already made my points above and won't repeat them.

I have myself organized and hosted a EuroGathering as have Wolfgang and Letty and, as Skipjack has very kindly offered to organize the next one, I do feel it should be his call and should also take particular account of the needs and travelling availability of European and other non-UK visitors for whom often it is the only Mudcat Gathering they can attend.

All the best

moo

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 16 May 03 - 06:29 AM

Well roared, moo! You are absolutely right.
Or is there a commandment I don't know: "Thou shalt not gather in May (June, July etc.) if there are other gatherings"?
So listen, Skipjack: The first weekend in May it was, and the first weekend in May it shall be. So the Lord wills, we shall live and do this and that, e.g. come to the Eurogathering in May.

Wilfried

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: alison
Date: 23 May 03 - 02:04 AM

there is a strong possibility I may be home in August / September next year....... so if there are any around then let me know.....

when are you coming to Sydney Amergin?

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 03 - 02:30 AM

Mayday weekend is the one when I usually have at least 2 craft fairs (3 this year) BUT this means I might actually be able to get over in the evening, as it is near enough! I just have to make sure that I have got myself well stocked up in advance.

The only time I ever got to Moor & Coast was when one fair at Selby Abbey, on the Monday, got cancelled suddenly due to a pinnacle from the central tower dropping through the roof the previous week!

Andrea

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From:
Date: 23 May 03 - 03:26 AM

Glad you'll be able to make it Andrea,(And Ruth and Ian-if he's awake) perhaps. You might bring some of your dough figures and flog em to the tourists!

Cheers

Eric

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: selby
Date: 23 May 03 - 01:47 PM

If you want to go to Moor and Coast or Upton or Hastings GO

If you want to go to the Euro Gathering that has always been on that date GO.

If you want to go to the Yorkshire Gathering GO.

They are all seperate events and the individual orginisers work hard in set peramiters to achive success, if you cant attend give support and encouragment, don't try and change the date just because it clashes with something you want to do.

Best of luck skip in your planning
Keith

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Oaklet
Date: 23 May 03 - 02:11 PM

Skip, could you consider having it in September instead? Or have you forgotten the Tripe Festival in Barton.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 23 May 03 - 04:53 PM

Thanks, Kieth.

But Oakley,don't you want visitors from foreign shores to witness the "Barton beer barrel emptying contest"? Anyway, you could organise another "Son of Euro" in September, and link it to the "Barton Beer Barrel emtying contest". I'm sure Skipjack will enter twice!! or thrice if given the choice or weekly. Anyway it'll be in time for the heavy rock version of "2nd of May" !! (only joking - such a beautiful tune)

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Terry K
Date: 24 May 03 - 03:36 AM

Here's a suggestion - why don't all the people who don't like the date start a new thread and complain about it there, instead of trying to put a downer on the whole thing. I think its been made quite clear and I'm going to do my best to be there - thanks, Greg & Eric.

cheers, Terry

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 24 May 03 - 01:56 PM

Sorry if my comment earlier suggested I wanted the Eurogathering date to change - I merely stated that it clashed with a lot of things and, as others said, many of the local mudcatters will be away elsewhere. I would not wish the Eurogathering to be combined with the Yorkshire gathering as I agree it stands on its own and Yes it has always been on the May day weekend. If it attracts a different set of people so be it!

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 24 May 03 - 03:55 PM

Any gathering or festival will clash with something. If anyone is going to a gathering or festival at anytime PLEASE let us know all about it and post lots of piccies!!!!! It would be great if we could be in 2 or 3 places at the same time but alas modern technology hasn't advance to those stages as yet.

Good luck in your organising Greg...if I can make it even for a day I will try.......remember pictures so we can put faces to names!

Cat

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: mouldy
Date: 25 May 03 - 03:07 AM

Got the cookie reset!

Eric - I'd feel like a spiv flogging stuff out of the boot of me motor (which stays packed that weekend between fairs anyway)! Hopefully I will be able to get Ruth to come. She'll need a break from A level revision.

Andrea

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 30 May 03 - 03:59 PM

Hi Terry K, haven't heard from you in a long time. Are you keeping well?

Andrea-we could have the eurogathering "car boot sale"

Cat, why ask for piccies? The reports will contain numerous lies and exagerations as usual! 'Specially if them Americins come visiting !

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 30 May 03 - 05:17 PM

I like piccies Eric.....besides if I can only be there in spirit I want to see what I am missing!!!!

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 04 Jun 03 - 06:02 PM

feresh

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jun 03 - 10:26 AM

Well, apart from moving the date to the last Saturday in October, the Venue to Manchester and the name to Swinton Folk Festival, I wouldn't do a thing with it. I think it's perfick...

I'll try to get there (Couldn't do Europe this year. All to do with a 30th wedding anniversary. Or was it a bucket of whelks and a rubber hose...?)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 09 Aug 03 - 01:34 AM

I might go to this gathering, if i can be arsed and i'm not doing nowt.When is it?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Pat Cooksey
Date: 09 Aug 03 - 06:56 AM

I should be in the U.K. around this time, I'll maybe come up to
Hull for a couple of day's.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Oaklet
Date: 09 Aug 03 - 10:29 AM

My husband is away at the moment, so what do think about re-arranging the thing for November 2005?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Oaklet
Date: 09 Aug 03 - 10:48 AM

And having it in central Wales or Nepal. And re-naming the thread. I have just made a bit of a mess on the carpet.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 09:19 AM

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 09:28 AM

Any American Mudcatters coming over for this feel free to get in touch if youre going to be around England fo a bit. As has been pointed out many times on this thread, the date selected is the one weekend of the year when you can more or less guarantee that english folkies won't be able to come, but that doesnt mean we wont be glad to meet people before or after the actual event.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 09:31 AM

anyway-i just looked at a list of festibal dates for next year, and i reckon you should hold it on the 30th and 31st of February, as it wont clash with anything then.john
i cant see no things for them dates anyway, maybe is some, not sure, no big events though.john

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 09:34 AM

Wrong,John. Ulpha Treacle Mines Festival is on Feb 30. Big day in those parts.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 09:38 AM

oh, i neber heard of that one, where is it?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 09:41 AM

Ulpa

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 09:42 AM

Well, Ulpha, actually.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Noreen
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 08:21 PM

English folkies (and residents of Ulpha) can come if they choose to, greg.

Life is full of choices....

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 10:51 AM

It don't mean that English folkies wont be able to come, it just means they be free to choose something else to go to if they want. Not starting this debate again!

And as for you JOHN-you've got to be the Cubby contact for the Satardasy night feast! (So you cant b aniwear els!

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: mooman
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 11:05 AM

Hope you can come jOhn...

If not for the music then for the bear...

moo

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 11:22 AM

I want to meet jOhn from Hull. His unusual keyboarding skills and unique way with words have bewitched me. The man can turn a phrase! Unfortunately, I've already booked passage on a ship leaving for England in June and the date cannot be changed. Perhaps another time ...

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Oaklet
Date: 25 Aug 03 - 12:06 PM

How about having it in December - around the 14th, then we can take in the Barrow Lawn Roller Fest 2003. Only a thought.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 04:23 PM

refresh

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 03:40 AM

How many 'catters does it take to organise a Mudevent?
One to have the idea and energy and do all the hard work and 100 to tell him/her that it is on the wrong date and in the wrong place at the wrong time....

RtS

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 06:09 AM

Roger - how right you are!
But this seems only to be true for the UK: This year's meeting in the Netherlands (thanks, Leticia!) didn't face such problems.
The date was the first weekend in May - so let it be with Skipjack, too!

Wilfried

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: brid widder
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 06:31 PM

It is of course correct to say you will never find a date that suits everyone... and a tradition as ancient as 4 years... nearly... is worth maintaining, probably. As catsPHiddle said not many UK catters have attended in the past... they are not likely to on Mayday weekend.

I am one of the large band of Hull catters... I just wondered why you have chosen our town?... granted it's quite a nice place ... and under normal circumstances you would find lots of friends here... but on the weekend you have chosen those friends won't be here... well not many of them. It is not just a matter of doing what we want to do...we have other COMMITMENTS... Beardy & I... and I daresay others are committed to Moor & Coast which is run by other friends who we would be letting down. I hope you all enjoy your time in my home town, I am really sorry I won't have what will probably be the only opportunity I would ever have to meet you all. I would suggest that you keep the date and change the venue... to Whitby perhaps!!

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: MudGuard
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 06:51 PM

It is near Hull because the organizer (Skipjack) lives near Hull...

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 09:07 PM

Its the most like Wales without going there.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Oaklet
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 10:18 PM

What about having it in Peterborough in March?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 11:51 PM

Oaklet-When is the Goat And Compass Allotment Society Annual Meeting And Ball?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 03 - 01:15 AM

It is not Wales?   In August?

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 05 Sep 03 - 08:28 PM

Firstly, the location is down to the organiser-Munster (Wolfgang), Brussels (Mooman) Groningen (Letty's home town) The next meeting is not actually in Hull, it is over the river because Greg lives there.It could have been Cleckheaton, but there isn't enough room and accomodation is relatively scarce.

Secondly,Hull is just a rough geographical location for information purposes only. I'm glad some people have COMMITMENTS, because there are many of us who also have commitments, including trying to make this gathering as successful and magnifient as the last three.

For the last few years, check the threads, there haven't been cries and moans from people in europe who couldn't come, just apolgies or best wishes.

Roger, Wilfried, how right you are.

What gets me is the self important-"I can't be there" attitude, as if some of you are more worth than others.Like I've said before, you didn't go to the others,never bothered to organise one, why make a fuss about this one?Everyone is welcome, there's no barrier to anyone, there hasn't been before, there won't be now.

It's up to you.

It's the Mayday bank holiday weekend. It's near Hull, but on the other side of the river.Airports are;Leeds/Bradford, Humberside, or Manchester.(Cheap fares from Jet2, easyjet and Ryanair) Ferries are from Rotterdam or Zeebrugge to Hull, and Newcastle from Imunden (but with a long drive or rail journey) You could land at Harwich and travel north.Railways to Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Hull, Selby,Goole. Motorways. M18/M180 and M62.Accomodation is being looked into and will be posted in due course. Camping facilities, food and drinks, eating out etc are being arranged and explored.

If you can't, won't, refuse, or unable to come,for what ever reason, then wish everyone a good time, send your best wishes and enjoy what you are doing instead.

So who's on the possibles list?

Skipjack

Eric the Viking.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 05 Sep 03 - 09:19 PM

If anyone is thinking of coming from america/canada etc, the plane might land at London or manchester, there is buses and trains direct to Hull from London, and loads of buses from manchester airport to Hull, then there is regular buses from Hull to Barton area, I think its The East Yorkshire Bus, co. Number 350, its not much [about £5?], but put your name here, and you might get a lift off anyone coming from London or Manchester.I can't say for definete yet wether I am going, but I would like to, and if I do, I wil be happy to give lifts to anyone coming via Hull, ie bus station, train station or ferry place, to exactly where it is.I know its a long way to travel for some people, for a weekend, but if you stayed longer, for a week etc, you could see the local area, there is loads of history in Yorkshire/Linconshire, ie York is nice, and Lincon etc.jphn

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 06 Sep 03 - 11:13 AM

Thanks John for your very kind offers. They are much appreciated.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Sep 03 - 12:03 PM

Would love to be there, but won't quite commit yet. See, I'd also like to be in Padstow for Mayday, lots of tradition down there and I'd like to sample it especially as some dear friends (Dave Webber/Anni Fentiman, Ben Campbell, Breezy etc) go there every year. But then again the UK2004 gathering is tempting too. Perhaps I can drive up from Padstow on the Sat afternoon, be there late evening...oh heck, too hard to choose right now. It'll have to be a spur of the moment thing and we'll sleep in the back of my car if we have to. Only eight months of agonising left to do...

Mind you, it's good to be spoiled for choice, I guess.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Oaklet
Date: 06 Sep 03 - 12:16 PM

Skip, I think that organising the 2004 gathering might have been a thankless job until, that is, someone actually thanks you. It might as well be me. Thanks Skip, for being the best husband that anyone could have wished for. The farm will be available to accommodate a smattering of Mudcatters. This might become the collective noun.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Sep 03 - 07:52 AM

Quite right, Oaklet, and please add my thanks too - except for the "husband" bit:-)

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 07 Sep 03 - 08:38 AM

Oaklet, you are a darling. And a rodeo rider par excellence of collective nouns. I feckin' love you. And Eric, my common-law distaff, even if that pigtail is a bit tickley.

I think it's time for a new thread.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Oaklet
Date: 07 Sep 03 - 11:32 AM

I love you too Skip, and always have. Really, I couldn't have married a nicer bloke. What about having the gathering in Skegness in March? Only a thought.

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: mooman
Date: 07 Sep 03 - 11:47 AM

Well the Good Lady and I will be coming from across the water for DEFINITE!

Thanks Greg and Eric for all your work in organizing this and I am certain it will be every bit as enjoyable as previous EuroGatherings.

UK Catters...you are lucky to have the choice you do...for many of us outside the UK it is the only feasible weekend.

Peace

moo

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 09:11 AM

I'd like to come, I'm eager to come, and I'm planning to come - but it depends on the costs of repairing and repainting my house. Can say more in a few months. But if there is the slightest possibility I'll be with you again there next year.

Wilfried

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Letty
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 02:16 PM

Already looking for cheap flights from Cork (!!!). So put me down as a definite (inshallah).


Yes, I'm actually moving by the end of this month. I'll try and integrate into Irish society for a bit now, after having become an honorary German (at last night's party). Am already feeling sad that Cork lost out to Kilkenny at the big hurling match last Sunday, so the basics are there.

Love,
Letty

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: Letty
Date: 16 Sep 03 - 02:30 PM

And here's the new thread, which I nearly missed:
click!

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 04:08 PM

I guess I qualify as a North American, although the title ex Brit Canadian would be more appropriate. I will be in England at this time, unfortunately not able to make your gathering. Our Morris side are dancing at the Rochester Sweeps Fair. So I hope to see any of the Miriads of Mudcatters who will be there instead of here.
JohnB

Subject: RE: Start saving, North Americans; MudUK2004
From: black walnut
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 05:22 PM

:-(
I'll be coming to Europe from Canada, but not until July.

~b.w.