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Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky

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Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,~Amanda~
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 07:57 AM


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 05:00 PM

Hello, Guest Shelby.

That's a great version of Down By The Banks of the Hanky Panky.

Thanks for posting it!


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: GUEST,Shelby
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 02:37 PM

you sit in a circle and one and is over the other persons hand and the other hand is under the other pesons hand. then when you start you hit the other persons hand.

Down by the river near the hankey pank where the bullfrogs jump from bank, to bank, say E I O U, your momma stinks and so do you so ping pong ding dong your daddy smells like king kong, so up your nose and through your toes your daddys wearing panny-hose, so 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (who ever hand gets hit on 10 is out)


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 11:48 PM

When I wrote "Thanks An" I meant to write your full name, Animaterra. Sorry, about that. I'm not sure how that typo occurred, but I guess it occurred like typos usually do, because I was eager to post and didn't use the preview feature...

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Hi there, Uke!

I love the folk etymology changes in your daughter & her friends version of this rhyme {from "Hanky Panky" to "Handy Mandy"}.

I just pm'd you, though I bet others would be interested in knowing whether boys recite this rhyme as well as girls, and whether the performance activity includes hip shaking {when they say
I said a hip hop/Swaggle waggle hop/I said a hip hop". And then do the kids sharply stop their movements when they say "full stop"?
{actually, I didn't get into this detail in my pm, but I am-and I'm sure others-are interested in knowing this}.

Thanks, again!!

Azizi


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 06:47 PM

I'm so sorry- my students' version should read:
hip
hop
flip
flop (not "floop")


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Uke
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 01:55 AM

I heard a version of this from my daughter last year; she was aged 7 at the time. She told me that lots of her friends knew it at her school in the Hutt Valley, New Zealand.

Her words went:

Down by the banks of the handy mandy,
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank,
I said a hip hop
Swaggle waggle hop.
I said a hip hop,
Full stop.

It had a quite complex clapping system between two children to go with it - certainly more complicated than the usual three-part hand clap systems she usually showed me. I videoed her performing this, but can't easily describe it.

Anyway, the rhyme game has made it to New Zealand. Also, nice bit of research Azizi. PM me if you want more details of my daughter's version.


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 05:59 PM

Would you believe there are 98,000 listings on Google for "down by the banks of the hanky panky"! [as of 8/22/06 5:58PM eastern standard time]

I guess there's quite a bit of hanky panky goin on.


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 05:54 PM

Thanks An

Well so far we have wxample of this rhyme where the frogs sing {or say}

"E I O U"

or "eep opp orp opp"

or "eipps ippes opps oops chillie willy ding dong"

or "e-i-o-u Um sacka dilly wacka...ker-plop"

"eeps, ops, sodapops"

-snip-

And notice the folk process at work with these two versions:
"Where the eeps, ops, sodapops
Hey Mr. Lilypad and went kerplops" compared to

"with a
hip
hop
flip
floop
Missed that banky and went
ker-plop!"


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 07:20 AM

Here's how this rhyme is done by kids in Keene, NH these days:

Down by the banks
of the hanky-panky
where the bull frog
jumps from
bank to banky
with a
hip
hop
flip
floop
Missed that banky and went
ker-plop!

The kids sit or stand in a circle, palms up, arms extended to the side, left hand over neighbor's right palm. One child starts by slapping his/her left hand across to his/her right, passing the slap around the circle until "kerplop" when the child about to be slapped has to pull his/her hand out of the way, or else be eliminated.

It's a great way to focus a whole class. The eliminated kids automatically start their own circle going as soon as they have critical mass...


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 11:11 PM

Here's another example of this rhyme:

DOWN BY THE BANKS OF THE HANKY PANKY
Down by the banks of the Hanky Panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
Where the eeps, ops, sodapops
Hey Mr. Lilypad and went kerplops
[Then hit your partner in the head; whoever hits first, wins.]
[Thanks to Chloe McCloskey]

Source: http://www.beachnet.com/~jeanettem/chants.html#HANKY

Note that at the end you're supposed to hit your partner on the head. I've noticed quite a bit of performance violence and references to violence in the text of contemporary children's rhymes....Anybody else noticed this?...Maybe this aggresive behavior and references to hitting, slapping, killing etc isn't new. But in the post Columbine era, it's kinda "striking".

****

Thanks for that example, Joe.

And also thanks to the member who sent me a pm about that last example.


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 10:53 PM

Check out these next two versions of that rhyme for some great examples of the way children's rhymes preserve, alter, and comment upon actual occurances, and celebrities.

Example #2 in particular has a wonderful example of folk etymology.

DOWN BY THE BANKS OF THE HANKY PANKS
down by the banks of the hanky panks where the bullfrogs jump from bank 2 bank signin eipps ippes opps oops chillie willy ding dong i pledge alligance to the flag micheal jackson makes me gag..coca cola brought him up now we're talkin 7up..7up has no caffeine now we're talkin billy jean..billy jean has no butt now we're talkin pizza hut , pizza hut has no bread now we're talkin really dead eippes ippes opps oops chilly willy ding dong- i know theres more but ijst cant rember!
*xoxo* -
christine on Wednesday, July 9, 2003 - 03:00 pm
http://www.streetplay.com/discus/cgi-discus/show.cgi?75/75.html

-snip-

RIVER SONG
Down by the river near the hankey pank where the bullfrogs jump from bank, to bank, and they say E I O U, your momma stinks and so do you so ping pong ding dong your daddy smells like king kong. Ask your teacher what she wears, polka dotted underwear. Not too big and not too small, just the size of city hall. Michael Jackson went to town, coca-cola brought him down. Coca-cola brought him up, now he's drinking 7up. 7up with no cafiene, now he's seein' belgain (pronounced beligene). Belgain is outta sight, now we're talking dynamite. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, BAM!
-Veggie; 8/21/2006; http://www.cocojams.com/taunting_rhymes.htm

-snip-

Here's some background about this rhyme [that some children who recite it may not know]:
That bit about "coca-cola brought him down" is a reference to an accident that occurred in 1984. 25 year old R&B singer Michael Jackson was singing his hit song "Billie Jean" for a Pepsi Cola [not Coca-Cola] tv commercial in Los Angeles when the special effects went wrong. The fire works set R&B singer Michael Jackson's jheri curl treated hair on fire.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/27/newsid_4046000/4046605.stm

Veggie's word ""beligene" is an example of folk etymology. That word comes from the song title "Billie Jean", a song Veggie may be too young to remember.


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 10:38 PM

It's possible that "The Bull Frog", in the DigiTrad @displaysong.cfm?SongID=6010 be a source for this children's rhyme.

But I think that this archived Mudcat thread provides what is almost a sure bet as the source for this children's rhyme: Lyr Req: a big bullfrog jumped into the lake

See the following two posts from that thread:

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: a big bullfrog jumped into the lake
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 06:39 PM

Not really Pete Seeger's, though his version (as "Foolish Frog") sure is catchy. It originated back around the turn of the (19th-20th) century as "May Irwin's Frog Song," one of several of this massively built entertainer's hits— others included "Lulu" and "Bully of the Town." She had a knack of picking up song material from black sources, so it's not impossible that hers are rewrites of even earlier stuff. Irwin repays study; I only wish she'd recorded so we could hear the voice that tickled thousands in vaudeville days. --Bob Coltman

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Subject: Lyr Add: MAY IRWIN'S FROG SONG
From: Jim Dixon - PM
Date: 01 Jan 05 - 03:49 PM

This is the song mentioned above, but it probably isn't the song littledaddy1803 wanted.

The sheet music for MAY IRWIN'S FROG SONG may be found at The Library of Congress American Memory Collection. May Irwin (1862-1938) was the performer, not the songwriter.

MAY IRWIN'S FROG SONG
Charles E. Trevathan, 1896

1. Away down a-yonder in Yankety Yank,
A bullfrog jumped from bank to bank
'Cause there wasn't nothin' else to do.
He stubbed his toe an' in he fell,
An' de neighbors all say dat he went to well,
'Cause he hadn't nothin' else to do.

CHORUS: An' jus' lots uv folks is like dis foolish frog uv mine,
A-runnin' into trouble jus' to pass de time,
An' de devil's allus loafin' 'round heah jus' to grab de kind
Dat nevah hasn't nothin' else to do.

2. When dey buried dat frog, de preacher said,
"De reason why dis young frog is dead,
'Cause there wasn't nothin' else to do.
An' all you frogs jus' a-listen to me:
Yo' bettah stay at home wid yo' family,
When you haven't nothin' else to do."

3. Some frogs I know is pow'ful fond
Uv spendin' dey time in 'nother frog's pond
'Cause dey hasn't nothin' else to do.
But dis consolation de good book brings:
De frog uv dem habits won't wear no wings
'Cause he hasn't nothin' else to do.

4. Now all uv yo' people dat heah dis song,
Yo' knows shy dis po' frog went wrong:
Cause he hadn't nothin' else to do.
You'd bettah keep busy on any kind of pay,
Till de big horn blow on de judgment day.
Den you will hab somethin' else to do.


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 10:29 PM

Here's an excerpt from a post from "Pogo" in another thread:
    Thread #81350   Message #1487823
    Posted By: Pogo
    24-May-05 - 10:13 PM
    Thread Name: I'm Rubber. You're Glue: Children's Rhymes
    and a clapping game I learned at girl's camp I would say hmmm mid 90's I think, in the same area. We would sit in a circle with one hand resting palm up under our neighbors' hand and going around the circle slap our neighbors' hand

    Down by the banks of the Hanky Panky
    Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
    Singin' e-i-o-u
    Um sacka dilly wacka...ker-plop

    whoever had ker-plop! was eliminated from the circle and it would be speeded up.


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 10:23 PM

Here's an explanation of one way this rhyme is played:

DOWN BY THE BANKS
"I grew up in Pittsburgh (went to Liberty, Frick, and Schenley {High School} c/o 2000)
I know a circle hand clap game with chants called: Down by the bank. It is an elimination game because the children stand in a circle and try to eliminate (or not get eliminated) at the end of the song. The setup is that both of your hands are palms up. Your right hand is under the hand of the person next to you and your left hand is in the palm of the person next to you. When your right hand gets tapped you tap the hand in your left and return your hand to the resting position. To be eliminated if the last note of the song gets on you and you are to hit the hand of the other person and fail to do so before they pull their hand away you must leave. If the person whose hand is to be hit gets hit, they are eliminated. When only two people are left they alternate their wrists until the game is over and then arm wrestle to figure out the winner.

The words start:
Down by the bank with the hanky panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
Singing eep opp orp opp

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Source: Flojaune G. {Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania}, electronic mail to Azizi Powell, August 2004


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Subject: RE: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 10:20 PM

Here's a couple of examples of "Hanky Panky" from a great resource for contemporary children's rhymes: http://blog.oftheoctopuses.com/000518.php

DOWM BY THE BANKS WITH THE HANKITY PANKS
Down by the banks
with the hankity panks
where the bull frog
jumped from
bank to bank
with an
eep
ip
oop
op
hes got on the lilly with a big
ker-plop!

::at ker-plop the players would try to a) freeze b) clap hands or c) hit each other on the head (depending on the version)

Source: Octoblog; posted by contortme at September 16, 2003

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DOWN BY THE LAKE WITH THE HANKY PANKY
ok. thats not how it goes.* it goes

down by the lake with the hanky panky
where the bullfrogs jumop from bank to bank
singing fee fi fo fum
ure momma looks like king kong
didley dong i went to school with nothing on
i asked the teacher what to wear
polka dotted underwear
not too big not too small
just the size of dadeland mall (or w/e mall u choose)

Source: Octoblog; posted by at September 18, 2003 08:34 PM

*this comment refers to the version posted above

****

THE HANKY PANK SONG
I remember the hanky panky song
down by the river and the hanky panky
the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
with the eips ips ops oops
sock-a-dilly and a ping pong pow

Source: Octoblog; posted by Mis at July 7, 2004 02:23 PM


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Subject: Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 10:12 PM

This thread provides examples of, commentary about, and a possible song source for the children's rhyme "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky".

"Down By The Banks/Hanky Panky" [for this thread known as "Hanky Panky"] appears to be a relatively widely known contemporary handclap rhyme in the United States. {At least it appears from my observations and the comments of various Internet informants that at least currently "Hanky Panky" is chanted while doing partner handclap rhymes. I can't say whether it has always been so, or is always so now}.

I'm wondering if this rhyme is known in Canada, The United Kingdom, Australia, and elsewhere. Any examples and/or thoughts on this rhyme would be greatly appreciated.

Azizi


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