BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 03:16 PM

Oops... that reply got cut when my line dropped... apologies

Gay sex is safer than straight sex... at least you cannot get pregnant! Have you any idea how many women die each year from childbirth? The figures are terrible... shall we try and get that banned? What would happen to the human race then? Of course, such a suggestion is ludicrous, so we educate women about planning for baby and how to try and get through pregnancy safely. They still die!

Some of the arguments are totally fallacious against gay men. That's the silly thing that is going on.

I have no wish to take any further part in this particular thread. All I can say is thank heavens the majority of people seem fine about homosexuality. You see, agreeing that it exists will not make you one. Sticking up for their rights, for them to be treated like everyone else, will not make you one. Being seen to side and even like gay men will not make you one. Once the fear goes it's easy...

seemples!

;-)

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 03:09 PM

Who is saying it's a safe and healthy lifestyle? I never said it was a lifestyle ever (as that suggest choice).

Living is dangerous and can be unhealthy in all sorts of ways. Some are down to actual lifestyle choices but being gay is not one of them

Why do you obsess about the gay men? What about the straight people too that play their part? They also suffer mental health problems as well. I worked in psychiatry for 20 years and I came across many many more straight folks with mental health problems than I did gay. Those gay people I did come across were not depressed because of being gay. They were depressed over the treatment society was dishing out and how that affected them mostly. Lots of gay men die because of suicide... but so many are driven to it because of some of the drivel we have seen on this thread. Why can you not just let them be without constantly throwing up all the negatives that can happen to some of them? You think a straight person would not be depressed if they found they had HIV/AIDS? Have you ever seen any straights folks celebarting having any STI?

So you have no solution to the problem.

Try this. Instead of constantly bringing up all the negatives, just try thinking of all the good things that can happen for a gay man or woman. They are the same things that may bring you and I happiness for gawd's sake! They are the same as you and I. Flesh and blood. They just do sex a different way than you maybe, if they have sex at all, but is that such a wrong thing? if so, why? Get away from the disease hype. Try and think positive things.

Have you seen there are different ways to play an F chord on a guitar? They sound the same but are done differently...

mp

You telling me that

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 02:55 PM

Hey MP...glad you like the meercats......more fun than all this boring old stuff!

Anyways back to the grind....again!

Homosexuality is being presented as a safe and healthy lifestyle.
The health statistics say homosexuals die sooner, are much more likely to contract hiv, are much more promiscuous, are more susceptible to a whole range of psychiatric problems than heteros

Safe and healthy lifestyle.....I dont think so!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 02:36 PM

No Amos...I'm sorry I was referring to Pacos contention that most heteros find homosexual practice disgusting.

I dont think Paco was making any sort of statement on the rights issue, or even the health issues?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 02:32 PM

"MP....You are being a very silly girl.

... seemples!"

I really don't give a meerkat!

Whether being gay is more risky or not is NOT the issue. The FACT is that this disease affects all sexualities and can be caught by ALL humans. It's not being gay that is risky, nor being promiscuous as such: it's having unsafe sex that is the risk and that is a a risk for everyone not just gay men. Whether they have a greater chance of being infected does not make me any more secure from the disease disease. The only thing that will make me, them and you secure is safe sex. Even people within 'stable' relationships get cheated on enough to be put at risk if one of them has unprotected sex with someone else. It really matters not a jot who has the most infections if I am one of the people having unsafe sex. I then take the same risk as all of them.

HIV/AIDS has the potential to be more of a biological death threat than any other non atomic weapon on the planet. It is a threat to us ALL, if we have unprotected sex, because we are all human NOT because more gay men or less straight people or how so many bisexuals contract it.

I'll add silly to the long list of other names I have been called. I'll settle for being who and how I am. If that is silly then so be it...

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 02:24 PM

Negative, Ake. Homosexual practices can be safe or they can be dangerous, depending on how they are carried out, I sauppose. I have no firsthand data. Hetero sexual practices can likewise be risky or safe depending on how they are carried out. It would seem obvious that, for example, anal penetration on either kind of pairing would be more risky than oral sex or vaginal penetration, would it not? But there is no more inherent risk in one kind of pairing than the other. The risk in dangerous sexual practices is not defined by the sexuality pairing.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 02:05 PM

You people have to learn to accept that for the majority of heterosexual males like me, the thought of homosexuality turns our stomachs!

I don't doubt that's true, however we can't base legislation and people's freedoms upon gastronomic reactions. Truth be told, a guy kissing a guy kinda makes me a little queasy. But that's neither here nor there. I'd still argue till my throat was dry that they need to be treated just like everybody else, and have the same civil rights as anybody else. Because that's what's right and fair.

The current onslaught by the left wing media has left ME in a minority!

So? We're all in the majority on some things (I like vanilla ice cream), and in the minority on others (I like the DH). You have no basic right to be in the majority on any given thing. Get over it.

But believe me, us hetero's still mutter under our breath!!!!

You're allowed to do that. Just don't use your muttering as a basis for determining the civil rights of others.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:59 PM

Oh we ARE getting picky!

Homosexual practice and risky behaviour, are synonymous...Better?

and by the way I've never used that word before...anywhere!

I just found it and quite like it.....lovely ring to it...don't you think? :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:42 PM

Be fair Amos, Paco was not referring to homosexual "rights", but homosexual practice (sex between men), which I am sure, the vast majority of heterosexual males find disgusting(if they are being honest)

I think nature determines how we think on these matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:42 PM

Keith,

You are right, Ake is deliberately ignoring the full picture and focussing on specific segments of humanity.

He is doing this as it is his purpose to show that Homosexuality is a dangerous disease ridden perversion.

If he were right, this would be reflected consistently in all demographics.

If it isn't reflected overall, then that means it isn't true overall.

My kitchen table has a red spotty table cloth on it.

In the context of Tables in My kitchen, it can be said that kitchen tables have red spotty table cloths on them.

But in general, Kitchen tables have lots of types of cloths, and some have none.

So a selective analysis gives us a misleading picture of reality.

Ake says that in the UK Gay men are 50 times more likely to contract AIDS.

He concludes that homosexuality is unhealthy.

He deliberately ignores the rest of the evidence as it contradicts his view.

He even posts "evidence" which contradicts his view concerning whether discrimination is a help or a hindrance.

So far you have provided some nteresting links.

I'd love to know your reaction to Ake's opinion as that has become the central discussion on this thread.

Is Ake right that homosexuality is the problem.

And why the fuck is everyone humouring this bitter shock-fetishist.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:39 PM

Royston, do YOU not understand that "risky behaviour" and homosexuality are in most cases, synonymous?

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Homosexuality and "risky behaviour" are not synonymous. Buy a dictionary. For crying out loud it's a category error. People aren't behaviour. What you mean is that homosexuals engage in risky behaviour. If you think that most homosexuals engage in risky behaviour, you are mistaken. If you think that most cases of risky behaviour involve homosexuals, you are mad. Some homosexuals engage in risky behaviour. Alas, far too many. But then any is too many.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:22 PM

MP....You are being a very silly girl.

From Unaid.
More than half a million people are living with HIV in Western Europe, and that
number continues to grow amid signs in several countries of a resurgence of risky
sexual behaviour. The biggest change in Western Europe has been the
emergence of heterosexual contact as the dominant cause of new HIV infections in
several countries. Of the more than 20,000 newly diagnosed HIV infections in 2004,
more than one third were in women. A large proportion of new diagnoses are in
people originating from countries with serious epidemics, principally countries in
sub-Saharan Africa.
�� There are several reasons for the doubling of new diagnoses of HIV in the United
Kingdom since 2000 (from 3,499 in that year to 7,258 in 2004). Increased testing is
one of them but most of the increase is due to a steep rise in the number of
heterosexually-acquired HIV infections, approximately 80% of which were
contracted in high-prevalence countries.
�� Once the primary mode of transmission, unsafe sex between men still accounts for
roughly one quarter of new HIV diagnoses in the UK (1,900 in 2004) amid signs
that high-risk sexual behaviour has not decreased.
�� Sex between men remains an important factor in the epidemics in France and the
Netherlands, and in Belgium, Denmark, Portugal and Switzerland there has
been a slight, and in Germany a significant, rise in the number of annual new HIV
infections attributed to sex between men. In Germany, new HIV infections in men
who have sex with men almost doubled from 2001 to 2004 (from 530 to 982) and
unsafe sex between men is the main cause of the steady increase overall in new
HIV diagnosis in Germany, which tallied 2,058 in 2004 (44% more than the 1,425
cases diagnosed in 2001).
�� In Spain HIV cases among drug injectors dropped steeply in the 1990s after
methadone treatment and needle-exchange projects had been introduced. New
HIV infections among drug injectors have also dropped sharply in Portugal (1,000
in 2004, compared with 2,400 in 2000), and they comprised just over one third of
new HIV diagnoses in 2004 (compared with almost one half as recently as 2002).
�� Among HIV infections attributed to heterosexual contact in France during 2003,
69% were migrants, almost two thirds (65%) of who were women. All in all, in the
18 western European countries with HIV data for 2004, women comprised 35% of
all new diagnoses, up from 29% in 2000.
�� Overall in Central Europe, the epidemics have remained contained and small.
About half the cases in which a mode of transmission was identified in 2004 were
due to unprotected heterosexual intercourse, but in a handful of countries—
including the Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovenia, and the Slovak Republic—
sex between men appears to be the main mode of HIV transmission.
��
These figures do NOT correlate the percentage difference between homosexual male population and heterosexual population.

Thus, they can say that heterosexual contact has emerged as the dominant cause of new hiv infections, but in percentage terms far more homosexuals run the risk of contracting Hiv/aids than heterosexuals......therefore, homosexual practice must be more dangerous in relation to hiv/aids than heterosexual practice....Oui?....seemples!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:49 PM

Paco:

Do not presume, sir. You do NOT speak for all heteros; some of us, without any desire to turn homosexual, are willing to stand up for civil rights and human decency under the law instead of giving way to your kind of puerile puking.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:46 PM

Don that was excellent...and I DID understand it.
I have taken note.....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:45 PM

My advice would be to stop thinking about it then! Go about your life in peace. Muttering will not do anything, no more than shouting will, because I actually think the majority of sorted straight men don't give a monkey's about gay blokes. Why would they?

All you men have far more in common with each other than the things you don't. Why let sexuality be such a major trouble when you consider all the other things a man is and can be? Man has achieved so much by co-operating with his fellows than he has by fighting them. Don't stress the differences. Embrace the similarities and let them grow.

Or would that not be being a 'true man' ;-)

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:29 PM

You people have to learn to accept that for the majority of heterosexual males like me, the thought of homosexuality turns our stomachs! The current onslaught by the left wing media has left ME in a minority! But believe me, us hetero's still mutter under our breath!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:27 PM

List of animals displaying homosexual behaviour

Homosexual behavious in animals

Homosexual behaviour widespread in animals according to new study

Animals prefer Homosexuality to Evolutionism


...some food for thought about whether it is natural or not

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:19 PM

FACT is it is NOT unnatural is it?

Very many other successful animal species practice homosexuality and they do not die out. It's a biological phenomena that is not fully understood but it is most ceratinly NOT unnatural as it exists within nature.

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:16 PM

Could this thread by any duller and more politically correct? Accept it people, homosexuality is UNNATURAL!! If it wasn't, every species on the planet would die out!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:10 PM

"...if you discount infection acquired abroad"

...and discount this and that and anything that points away from it being a gay plague, gay caused, spread and proliferating. I am not saying that is what YOU mean but so many would use the statistics to point that way. The fact is that on a global scale this is a human problem. No discounting... it has the potential to affect all of us in some way or another. Allowing gay men to be the scapegoats only puts off the real work that has to be done. Once that mist has finally been disposed of then the true effects can be seen... in all populations (I am only talking about sexually transmitted HIV/AIDS here and not other infectious routes).

ALL respsonsible adults, who have free open sexual encounters, of all sexualities have to play their part. This is the only way to stem this tide. People put their own house in order and help others do the same. As far as I am aware the gay population is trying a lot to educate and put their own house in order. One cannot discount anything. ALL causes have to be looked at and their effects limited.

Can you imagine if this had been the other way around? Where HIV/AIDS only hit straight populations first? Do you think the gay folk would then have blamed straights for giving it them? It's a stupid argument really to blame anyone.

Make no bones about it. This disease is about sex, sex, sex and what people see as vile what others do. How many people catch flu off each other every year? How many die of that? No-one blames one part of the population for it. But I guarantee if flu was sexually transmitted then all sorts of judgements would be passed as to who was responisble. It's a disease. An Illness. It affects human beings. Do we really need scapegoats? What we need is a cure...

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 09:46 AM

"Globally HIV / AIDS is overwhelmingly a disease of heterosexual people both in absolute number and in terms of the percentage of sufferers"
Yes, I do agree.
We are perhaps at cross purposes.
I assumed Ake had been considering the Western/developed countries in which almost all Mudcat members live.
In these Western/developed countries HIV / AIDS is overwhelmingly a disease of homosexual men both in absolute number and in terms of the percentage of sufferers, if you discount infection acquired abroad.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 08:48 AM

Keith, Ake,

There is no relevance whatever - in the context of this discussion - to these UK statistics. You keep producing them in support of a claim that HIV is a peculiarly homosexual experience. That it has been in one country is irrelevant. Globally HIV / AIDS is overwhelmingly a disease of heterosexual people both in absolute number and in terms of the percentage of sufferers in individual populations.

Do you deny that - Yes or No?

If you deny it, where is you proof.

If, as you bloody well must, you accept it; then we are agreed that all that matters is changing the risky behaviours of all people - gay, straight, black, white - and caring for the ill.

The totally irrelevant spike in the percentage of homosexual men affected by the disease in "The West" is a combination of their risky behaviour (as it is equally for the heterosexual afflicted) but mainly is a result of demographics - a smaller and very closed and concentrated group of potential carriers. C'mon Keith you're the great demographer...

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 06:39 AM

Ake -

Grovelling apologies — I always acknowledge such informative PMs, but have checked back & find to my horror I failed to do so with yours — I think the phone must have rung & distracted me or some such. Many thanks for it now, belatedly -

& for your above response to my point re contendedly Civil-Partnered acquaintance. I can't feel the acquaintance I cite [which I could have added to, but 3 seemed enuff to be going on with] are so exceptional to any general rule here as to be disqualified from 'general-term' recognition. But I take your point, & am now content to cease urging this particular point so pertinaciously {tho an additional response from GfS, to whom it was originally addressed but who seems to have gone awol of late, would not come amiss}. As to how far it may or may not be relevant to the general argument will be for followers of this thread [hopefully of the non-abusive variety, of whom I hope there are more than sometimes may appear] to determine for themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 06:36 AM

Ah no no no, The abductor of rodents or a burglarizing Mickey is not me. Brilliant and sneaky and clever is he. I am but an informed satirist like a sign post by the sea. Its not muse teeth or moose feet its Mouse Theif not me skittling on tiny feet in circles in a cast iron pot beneath the stove.





"Americans lighten up"
quote Akenaton



Dear Egyptian king and reformer of antiquity,
We as Americans grind our heros' bones for tea.
We drink it down and say "its such a pity".
We lighten up in mysterious ways
We embrace our heros and turn them into strays.

Oh sure we love our athletes
We love our amorous heros
We love our wealthy streets
We love more reducing heros
to sacrificial zeros.

When we are bored by excellence
When we are too envious
We cut the exhalted down to size
We even tingle with enjoyment if our victim cries.
Ohhh it feels so good you can't imagine.
From rags to riches to rage is our fashion.

For example todays newspaper page
shows Tiger Woods in a hood
sporting a beard with the grimice of a cynic.
Roaming the grounds
of a sexual addiction clinic.

sip GULP mmmm

AAhh what could be better than Tiger Woods tea.
You see...
Now we can gloat,
vicariously
We Are Now Better Than He.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 05:20 AM

Sorry Michael, didn't mean to ignore you, but would have appreciated an acknowledgment of my PM.

I think the cases you cite are indeed exceptions in the bigger picture of homosexual lifestyle. If we are to discuss this subject at all, it must surely be in general terms. There are exceptions to all types of human behaviour, but for the purposes of discussion we tend to generalise.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 05:00 AM

In that case, Ake, what about the cases where they are NOT 'synonymous'? Both you & GfS are avoiding the challenge I have now issued to you [I think it's] 4 times, about how you respond to the existence of all the faithful respectable CivilPartnered couples of my acquaintance whose partnerships are as loving & stable as those of any other couple, married hetero, I have ever known - incl Valerie's & my adoring half-century marriage; & how could I say fairer than that?   However much you plead then an exception to your "in most cases", there they are. What have you to say about them?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:51 AM

Royston, do YOU not understand that "risky behaviour" and homosexuality are in most cases, synonymous?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 03:24 AM

Previos post with BMJ link.
Royston, after a quarter of a century, there has surely been ample time for HIV to cross over to the straight community.
What is your evidence?
This from BMJ, 2005. "Although the number of people becoming infected with HIV through heterosexual intercourse in the United Kingdom is rising steadily, most of the overall rise in HIV diagnoses among heterosexuals is among people who originate from and were infected abroad, mainly in Africa.1 "
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7503/1303

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 03:16 AM

Royston, calm down.
I am not arguing anything as I have no special knowledge of this.
I was just surprised by your assertion that heterosexual HIV spreading was becoming comparable to the homosexual transmission.
Looking for specific evidence I did not notice that one site was virus denying. Their statistics I quoted were reputable but I completely withdraw them from the debate.
You neglected to respond to the peer reviewed British Medical Journal piece that refutes your claim.
I also add this evidence.
In 2007, about 77% of heterosexually acquired HIV that was diagnosed in the UK, was probably acquired overseas.


Amongst those diagnosed with heterosexually acquired HIV:

around two thirds are Black African

http://www.tht.org.uk/informationresources/factsandstatistics/uk/heterosexual/

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:35 PM

Guid night tae ye too! lol

Och!... Burn's Night rapidly approaches

Did I bring oot the Scot in yea? Cannae really be that a woman cannae do that? lol

Have a good night ;-)

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:25 PM

"I'll let all you "true men" into one of lifes little secrets....women dont want a man to be their "bestest friend" or weep on their shoulder.....most women want a man who makes them feel like A WOMAN"

Personally, IMHO, no man can make me feel like a woman. I am a woman to start off with. Some women buy into the myth they need a man to validate them as a woman and some men take advantage of that need. I am sure there are many women who can make a man feel like a man for the same reasons. Like femininity cannot be given you either. Feminine is something you feel not something someone can give you. That said, I know many women would also disagree with me on that too. The point being that it is a personal thing, just like sexuality.

You may speak for some women, but you cannot speak for them all (no more than I can), because I know lots of women that take men as they are... straight, bi or gay. I have friends who do not need a man in their life to make them feel anything. What the heck is a "true man"?

Some actions will make some people feel more womanly, manly, feminine or masculine... but the emotion that drives those feelings comes from within. The trigger may be without.

I like men as friends and it's nice to have a shoulder to cry on occasionally. With me that could be a female shoulder just as easy as a man's. It could be a gay man's shoulder too! Makes no odds. Friendship is love without wings... but you can still love a friend. I think you will find lots of women have men who are friends and who they confide in. To me a "true man" is someone who is sorted in their head and knows themselves, secure in their own life and sexuality, not challenged by what others are getting up to, and happy to be getting on with their own life instead of other's.

The secret is not so secret

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:25 PM

Here, this whisky's a curse!....It kin turn a right abnoxious auld reprobate intae a smilin' freen tae aw withoot him even knowin' it.

Nae wunner the buggers got roon the Indians sae easy...:0(

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:12 PM

Nae bother MP...Sorry it took sae lang, but ah don't think ah missed yer point, ah understand aw yer sayin', its jist ah dont really agree wi't...Guid night tae ye....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:05 PM

Wrong end of the stick yet again, Ake.

Nighty night.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:03 PM

"Homosexuality is being presented to the rest of society as being a safe and healthy lifestyle, which it is patently not."

Homosexuality is as safe as any other sexuality... until unsafe sex is practised. But that goes across all sexualities. Forget this 50 times business that seems to be haunting you! What needs to be got rid of is HIV/AIDS

And, once again, homosexualty is not a lifestyle choice for the majority. It's not a lifestyle. It's a sexuality. Same as you have a sexuality. No need to ask why some gay men are promiscuos. Some straight men are too, and some gay women and straight women and bisexuals as well. It's an animal thing...

I also think you missed entirely my point about love...

But thank you for the reply on this occasion anyway.

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:54 PM

Aye ah think ah know who mousetheif is Don....ah wis jist haein' a wee craic.....ahm sure she smiles...noo an' again...even if she is bloody brilliant...Take care o' yersell ah'm awa tae bed :0)
Guid nicht!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:48 PM

For your enlightenmennt and edification, Ake:

Mousethief is bloody brilliant!

Rock Hudson was generally considered by vast numbers of people to be the very image and epitome of the romantic he-man, and those were the roles he played in the movies.

To the general public's shock and surprise, Rock Hudson turned out to be gay. In fact, he was one of the earliest of the well-known people to die of AIDs.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:33 PM

Ach you Yanks hiv nae sense o' humour.....Lighten up!..its Christmas!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:21 PM

The Puddock
A Puddock sat by the lochan's brim,
An' he thocht there was never a puddock like him.
He sat on his hurdies, he waggled his legs,
An' cockit his heid as he glowered throu' the seggs
The bigsy wee cratur' was feelin' that prood,
He gapit his mou' an' he croakit oot lood
"Gin ye'd a' like tae see a richt puddock," quo' he,
" Ye'll never, I'll sweer, get a better nor me.
I've fem'lies an' wives an' a weel-plenished hame,
Wi' drink for my thrapple an' meat for my wame.
The lasses aye thocht me a fine strappin' chiel,
An' I ken I'm a rale bonny singer as weel.
I'm nae gaun tae blaw, but the truth I maun tell-
I believe I'm the verra MacPuddock himsel'."
A heron was hungry an' needin' tae sup,
Sae he nabbit th' puddock and gollup't him up;
Syne 'runkled his feathers: "A peer thing," quo' he,
"But-puddocks is nae as fat as they eesed tae be."

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:08 PM

Achy Breaky, just remember that what we post here today - and much, much earlier - is here forever.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:46 PM

:0) Nice one Don!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:35 PM

real men don't need to advertise!
we all know how commercials work.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:32 PM

Ah Ebbie doll, you'd need to have tried it to know..bet you wouldn't spend so much time with your "stiletto" wi' me fur a husband   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:26 PM

Rock Hudson?? Wasn't he a movie actor? I didn't know he had kids.

I was talkin' about real people.....n' you cheated! that was two words

Wasn't he in that film "The mouse that roared?" ...or was it
screamed(sexily) :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:59 PM

Recently we have discovered that a previously unknown retro virus is respondsible for chronic fatigue syndrome.


Retro virus, nano bacterial cacium deposits, inflamation, are all recnet breakthroughs in medical science which underlies a vast portion of human disease and causation.

Medical research has its pros and cons but mostly pros.


The irony is that scientific research is also respondsible for the original human contamination with retro viral monkey infections by a Belgian vaccine scientist. Opps that was AIDS.

Be it viri or killer bees or plutonium atoms, you can not isolate anything forever.

Is it gods will or human fallibility? I'd merely say, shit leaks.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:48 PM

Ake: "responsibility" not for hiv, but for their own behaviour which causes the problems I listed above.

It sounds like you are beginning to understand the point. It is not about gay/straight, it is about risky behaviour.

The UK gay community - with all the demographics stacked against them have suffered infection rates at 4%.

Some heterosexual communities are at 25% infection rates.

So is it gay or straight people that have the greatest need, in your opinion, to "take responsibility" for behaviours? Anyone *choosing* unprotected sex is a fool and invites tragic consequences upon themselves. Gay or straight.

I don't call people thick for not agreeing with me. I call people thick for being factually wrong and for persistently failing to recognise and absorb the truth.

Keith is dangerous. Virusmyth.org. Fuck me, that takes stupidity to a whole new and terrifying level. Nobody can possibly take him seriously. That the lies he tells are invented by others, makes him no less a liar for telling them.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:48 PM

Not as long as I'm alive, ake! :)

Incidentally, ake, marriage, per se, means little. A happy marriage is harder to achieve, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:46 PM

Hark! The Thief of Mice rings out the clarion voice of reason and clear thought!! All Hail the Thief of Mice!!!



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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:44 PM

One word, Ake: Rock Hudson.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:38 PM

It amuses me no end that so many of you "true men" think I am a "closet homosexual"...you just said that a minute ago Royston...why do you pretend to think that? when my views on homosexual practice are the same as 90% of heteros.
I've had a long marriage, sired four sons and find women...all women, attractive, sexy and interesting.

I'll let all you "true men" into one of lifes little secrets....women dont want a man to be their "bestest friend" or weep on their shoulder.....most women want a man who makes them feel like A WOMAN.

Even Ebbie wouldn't be safe when I was around.....   :0)