BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 04:39 PM

That would have to be part of the deal, Donuel. I've visited Cyprus three times in recent years. A terribly divided island since the Turkish occupation of the north in 1973, though in that case, unlike with Israel/Palestine, current confrontations are muted. But if the two halves ever get together again there are deep-rooted recriminations to resolve. Tough. The Greek side still harbours resentments about the theft of their ancestral homes, that kind of thing, and the Turkish side feels threatened. It's sad to see such a massive army presence for such a tiny population in the north. As with Israel-Palestine, there is a mountain to climb. One side declaring that they want the other side wiped off the map is no way to go. The people in northern Cyprus are struggling. But they are just ordinary people, not devils. I saw their market stalls in Kyrenia piled high with the most amazing produce, and no-one there to buy it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 04:24 PM

Steve Shaw - 26 Aug 16 - 09:01 AM

"A single secular democratic state with equal rights for all regardless of ethnicity, Jews and non-Jews living side by side. No mini-enclaves of Jews or Arabs."

Worked out well in the Lebanon didn't it Shaw - And of course Gaza for that matter.

Donuel - 26 Aug 16 - 10:43 AM

"The current right wing Israel is far apart from that end game Steve."

Be interested in hearing the rational behind that statement. As far as their track record shows, the Israelis are more than ready to talk to anyone, and when such talks have taken place the agreements reached have stood the test of time. The same however can not be said of those who make up the Palestinian Authority {Their former leader Arafat threw away the best chance they ever had in 2000}, Hamas and Hezbollah. The last two have ruled out any prospect of talks or negotiation, yet as far as you can see it Donuel it would appear that you only see the fault as being only on the side of the Israelis.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 04:11 PM

Bloody Nora, Kevin, OK. Central government garners the dough via taxation then decides how and to whom it should be channelled and in what amounts.

A ridiculous point about perspective, Woodcock. Useless. Stop struggling.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 01:10 PM

Ya want REAL anti-semites Bubo? Check out these "alt-right" assholes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/us/politics/alt-right-reaction.html?_r=0

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 10:43 AM

The current right wing Israel is far apart from that end game Steve.
Would Palestine homes and farms be made whole again?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 09:01 AM

A single secular democratic state with equal rights for all regardless of ethnicity, Jews and non-Jews living side by side. No mini-enclaves of Jews or Arabs. There is absolutely no other ultimate answer. At present, of all the nations on earth calling themselves denocracies, Israel is by easily the furthest away from that ideal. If you're an Arab in Israel, democracy ends for you the moment you leave the polling booth.

Your latest post is your most childish yet, Teribus. Sun's shining and I'm gardening, so bugger off.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 08:42 AM

I have one question of both camps. It may not have an answer. You may not want to answer such a question that demands honesty and courage

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Teribus bobad and Keith Shaw, What is your most preferred end game/solution/outcome for Israel and Palestine , whether it takes one or a thousand generations ?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 08:18 AM

Gaza is now the world's biggest jail

Gaza in 2016: a Hamas production.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 08:02 AM

Steve Shaw - 26 Aug 16 - 05:34 AM

Shaw at his hilarious best:

1: Egypt is in a mess because it no longer pursues a policy aimed at the destruction of Israel and the annihilation of it's population.

2: Talking about "Bastions of democracy" Shaw, when were the last elections held in Gaza and in the West Bank eh? How many elections have the Israelis cancelled, postponed and dispensed with?

3: Pity your pals in Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran can't see their way to "supporting the UN ceasefire agreements".

4: What UN Resolutions? Resolution in Council or Assembly, the former are binding on member states, the others are non-binding and serve as "recommendations" - Major difference there Shaw and you are perfectly aware of that difference.

5: ."That Gaza is now the world's biggest jail" is down entirely to the people who say they are representing the population and governing the place. It most certainly is NOT the fault of the people they are attacking.

6: "Denying building materials to rebuild them" What denial of building materials Shaw? Where do you think Hamas got the concrete, cement, steel and rebar to construct their underground shelters and bunkers? Shelters and protection for the "fighters" Shaw - nothing whatsoever for the population they are supposed to be looking after.

7: White Phosphorus does not light up the sky - quite the reverse in fact - but trotting out lines like that is simply emotive claptrap.

8: Since 2005, 15,000 rockets and missiles of various types have been fired from Gaza into Israel. Under similar circumstances had that amount of ordnance had been fired into the UK, I would fully expect that our Government and our armed forces would have taken every measure at their command to eradicate the source of that bombardment and those carrying out the attacks along with anyone supporting them.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 05:34 AM

The peace agreement with Egypt was a sell-out, and just look what a happy country Egypt has been ever since. Bastion of democracy, eh? Good to see you supporting the UN ceasefire agreements. Pity about all those UN resolutions, ignored by Israel, vetoed by their massive poodle the US, isn't it though? And in your defence of Israel's defending itself, you forgot to mention that Gaza is now the world's biggest jail, that Israel has a habit of bulldozing homes, denying building materials to rebuild them and lighting up the skies with white phosphorus in order to pick out schools to shell. Gosh, isn't self-defence such a loose term! Now remind me, how many children did they kill last time out in a territory they had purported to have abandoned? Oh, and those two refugee camps in Lebanon...self-defence again, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 02:28 AM

Steve Shaw - 25 Aug 16 - 08:03 PM

"If comparing casualties is your game (it isn't mine either, if you must know), then any starting point shows Israel in a terrible light. I did suggest not going there but it seems you can't help it,"

But Shaw comparing casualties is very much your thing - you after all introduced the subject and requested those figures, taking 1967 as your start point {Conveniently ignoring the 47 years of conflict that preceded your selected start point} - you did write this didn't you?

Steve Shaw - 23 Aug 16 - 05:38 AM

"And let's have your comparative Israeli/"Arab" casualty figures for, say, the period since the '67 war. Don't forget to include the Gazan women and children and the massacred refugees in Lebanon, old chap."

That being the case Shaw - you can hardly castigate someone for actually providing information that you, yourself have requested.

Ratio British to German civilian casualties during the Second World War was 1:43 - that is what results from starting and waging an all out war and losing it.

Ratio Jewish/Israeli to Arab casualties since 1920 has been as follows for dead and wounded:

Deaths 1:4
Wounded 1:2

The same ratios starting at 1967

Deaths 1:10
Wounded 1:3

Israel is being constantly accused of waging an all out war against the Palestinians by your pals Shaw - the figures simply do not show that. They do however show that the "Leaders" of the "Palestinian" people particularly in Gaza must be on the slowest learning curve in human history. Tell me Shaw how many "Palestinians" were killed by the Israeli Defence Force in the last month? How many attacks and how many rockets have been fired into Israel from Gaza in the last month?. Then go back and look for the same information over whatever period you like since Israel's unilateral withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 and then see whether or not if there is a clear correlation.

Steve Shaw - 25 Aug 16 - 08:58 PM

"The only people on the planet who never have to talk are the Israeli regime. The US, with its totally unconditional military aid, makes sure that Israel never has to talk. Oh yes, they will enter talks but only on their terms. That makes it look like they're talking, but all the talks ever held have been a sham, because, put simply, Israel can do what they like."

The peace agreement signed with Egypt was no sham.

The peace agreement signed with Jordan was no sham.

The ceasefire agreements brokered by the UN have been complied with by Israel and largely ignored by Hezbollah, Hamas and Al-Fatah.

If it is talks that you say must happen, then try convincing Hamas and Hezbollah they have no intention whatsoever of talking, their aims are quite clear, you might be in denial over them but the Israeli Government is not. The primary responsibility of the democratically elected Government of Israel is to look to and provide for the safety and security of the people and state of Israel from any and all attacks - that it has done remarkably well against incredible odds since the inception of the State of Israel in 1948.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: ripov
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:30 PM

Just a quick dip into and out from a rather boring thread -

1. How come some people feel they are entitled to their own special brand of racism (i.e. antisemitism). Behaviour is either racist or not. Whichever race is implied is irrelevant. And making differences because of race is certainly racism.
2. Palestinians are also semites.
3. Most governments are organisations of rogues. The ones in question don't seem to be exceptions.
4, While Corbyn appears to be an honourable exception, the rest of the parliamentary labour party appear to be a bunch of backstabbing self-seekers, who no-one in their right mind would vote for.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:23 PM

Israel can pretend to enter talks, but it's relationship with the US, predicated on the fact that no US politician who values his career can ever brief against Israel, means that it need never offer a single crumb of compromise. You really don't understand any of this, do you, cheat?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:19 PM

Brainless burbling. Are you seriously accusing ME of cursing and spitting at G4S employees? Well let me tell you that I didn't even know about any G4S spat! Jesus Christ on a bike even Woodcock at his most ebullient must be squirming at such a laughable allusion, you bloody twit. Grow up, why don't you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:17 PM

if Hamas want to progress they will have to talk

You're such a sap Shaw - name one Islamist terrorist group that has "talked".




'[Peace] initiatives,   and   so-called   peaceful   solutions   and

international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of

the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than

a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of

Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by

Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a

waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13 Covenant of Hamas.)

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:06 PM

Labour dropped the British-Danish G4S multinational security firm over its relationship with Israel following a controversial vote last year by members of its National Executive Committee. It then sought to find a replacement for the September 25 Liverpool event, in vain.

Unable to find an alternative security firm, the left-wing party went back to G4S earlier this week, only to be turned down.

Quite apart from any bitter feelings left over from the Israel-related boycott, the company told the Telegraph newspaper it refused to work with UK Labour in light a number of incidents in which members of the party (Shaw?) cursed at and spat on G4S employees.

Britain's Jewish community leaders have accused Corbyn of both encouraging anti-Semitic rhetoric with his policies on Israel and of whitewashing the hate speech problems they said this creates within Labour. The party has in recent months also faced a succession of scandals over anti-Semitism within its ranks.

TOI

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 08:58 PM

So? You are under some kind of illusion that you can cut me to the quick by mentioning Hamas. Well you can't. I have no time for Hamas. I have lots of time for the people trapped. You know as well as I do that if Hamas want to progress they will have to talk. Simple as that. The IRA had to talk. The only people on the planet who never have to talk are the Israeli regime. The US, with its totally unconditional military aid, makes sure that Israel never has to talk. Oh yes, they will enter talks but only on their terms. That makes it look like they're talking, but all the talks ever held have been a sham, because, put simply, Israel can do what they like. Now you should be in bed. Both of you, you cheating pair. Don't go biting each other's arses in bed now. You might get over-excited, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 08:13 PM

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and

kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the

rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind

me, come and kill him.'

Covenant of Hamas Article 7.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 08:03 PM

We don't have to cherrypick starting points, Teribus. If comparing casualties is your game (it isn't mine either, if you must know), then any starting point shows Israel in a terrible light. I did suggest not going there but it seems you can't help it, then when your figures are not looking good, which they can never do, you invent all manner of tortuous "explanations."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 07:30 PM

I.e., "Shall we go over all that again"

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 07:29 PM

Weasel words, bobad (do look that up). The man who killed you is always the man who fired the bullet. You are the master of denial (not to speak of cowardliness, cheating and lying -shall we go,overall that again?) Here's an illustration of denial for you, written by a Jewish man as it happens (not that that should bother us). Read and learn.

They held up a stone.
I said, "Stone."
Smiling they said, "Stone."

They showed me a tree.
I said, "Tree."
Smiling they said, "Tree."

They shed a man's blood.
I said, "Blood."
Smiling they said, "Paint."

They shed a man's blood.
I said, "Blood."
Smiling they said, "Paint."

[Dannie Abse]

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 07:14 PM

Hamas are neither friends of mine nor of the Labour Party.

Jeremy Corbyn calling Hamas and Hezbollah "our friends" ie of the Labour Party: YouTube.

Shaw is a master at denying inconvenient truths when it suits his cause.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 07:06 PM

The UN says the vast majority of Palestinian deaths are civilian.

Hamas and all the other terrorist groups in Gaza fight as civilians. They also, self admittedly, use civilians as human shields. The IDF goes way beyond the norm in trying to avoid civilian deaths, it is considered to be the most moral army in the world by military experts.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 06:16 PM

Arab/Israeli casualty figures since 1967 (For some reason Shaw has cherry-picked this start point):

Israeli Deaths - 7,661
Israeli Wounded - 19,334

Arab Deaths - 74,840
Arab Wounded - 59,011

That is what you asked for wasn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 05:01 PM

2014.

"Between 8 July and 27 August, more than 2,100 Palestinians were killed in the Gaza Strip, along with 66 Israeli soldiers and seven civilians in Israel.
The UN says the vast majority of Palestinian deaths are civilian. But figures from previous operations over the past six years in the densely populated Gaza Strip show it is not the first time civilians have paid a heavy price." [BBC]

Just a cherrypicked snippet. It really isn't worth getting us started on this, is it, Teribus?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 04:53 PM

Hamas are neither friends of mine nor of the Labour Party. My views on religion and religion-led politics are well known on this forum. I don't know how many times I've publicly disapproved of Hamas, or stated that people who declare that Israel should be wiped off the map are lunatics. So stuff your silliness where the sun don't shine, bobad. If there's any room left up there next to the bullshit therein, of course. Oops, I forgot. There are two of you, of course, both cheats. There may be more room than I thought.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 01:33 PM

Source, T-Bird? Or just your arse again?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 01:31 PM

You have nothing to counter them "."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 01:00 PM

Here are the statistics:

Source, T-Bird?? Or just your arse again?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 12:57 PM

The only person arsing about here Greg F. is you.

Here are the statistics:

Arab/Israeli casualty figures since 1967 (For some reason Shaw has cherry-picked this start point):

Israeli Deaths - 7,661
Israeli Wounded - 19,334

Arab Deaths - 74,840
Arab Wounded - 59,011

Do you want to move the goal posts Shaw?

Since 1920 the figures are as follows:

Jewish/Israeli Deaths - 24,969
Jewish/Israeli Wounded - 36,260

Arab Deaths - 91,105
Arab Wounded - 78,038

If you wish to dispute those figures Greg F. then present figures of your own. If you can't or won't then STFU about them.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:54 AM

And another misrepresentation.....

Misrepresentation Greg?

Shaw has stated publicly that he is a member of the Labour party.

Here's a link to Corbyn talking of the party's friends Hamas and Hezbollah: YouTube

You are the only one misrepresenting here. Give us something of substance for once.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:42 AM

Of course the figures can be substantiated

Then do so and stop arseing about.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:35 AM

Of course the figures can be substantiated Greg - But that wouldn't be good enough for you would it? So I challenged you to come up with figures of your own to cross-check with the ones I provided - then there would be no argument would there?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 08:57 AM

I have already posted the figures you requested

Figures which you can't substantiate, Mr. T

And another misrepresentation from Bubo.

Different day, same shite.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 07:45 AM

Shaw is a member of a party that counts Hamas among it's friends.........enough said.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 04:31 AM

Don't know about that Shaw, remember I have already posted the figures you requested plus the ones going back to 1920 and they were not really as disproportionate as you and your pals like to make out.

But there again you and your pals think that there is, or should be, some sort of "tit-for-tat" equivalence when it comes to war - simply put there isn't. Since 1920 the Arabs of the region have chosen armed conflict as their way of solving what they see as the Jewish problem. It is most certainly NOT the fault of the Jews of the region and latterly of Israel that they simply happen to be a damned sight better at armed conflict than their Arab antagonists - perhaps it may have had something to do with motivation, the Israelis know with absolute certainty what their fate would be should they ever lose, so they make sure that they don't.

When the Ottoman Empire was broken up there were two multi-cultural secular enclaves created where religious tolerance would be the norm - Lebanon and Palestine - to make the latter 77% of the original Palestine Mandate was hived off and given to the Arabs of the region for their sole settlement. That however wasn't good enough they wanted the lot. Lebanon has all but vanished as haven of tolerance it was supposed to be and is now an armed camp where various militias watch each other like hawks, only Israel remains as a democratic, secular, multi-faith and multi-cultural country surrounded by those who wish to destroy it.

As Greg F. doesn't seem able to produce the figures Shaw maybe you could have a go at it? And you never know maybe you could provide a link to show the Hamas Map of this Two-State Solution that they claim to be fighting for. But as both you and I know Shaw - no such map exists - and you are not honest enough to acknowledge that.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 08:42 PM

Er, the figures wouldn't exactly help your case, would they, Teribus? 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 07:47 PM

Greg F. - 24 Aug 16 - 12:16 PM

Hey Greg F., see your internet research skills as still lacking as ever. C'mon sunshine give us "your" Arab/Israeli casualty figures dead/wounded for the period covering 1967 to the present day like your pal Steve Shaw requested.

Best not hold our breath though eh?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 12:26 PM

Cor, bobad, if only I were a conspiracy theorist... 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 12:16 PM

Well,Bubo, That's the wonder of Anti-Social Media- in a nanosecond, cranks,assholes, morons, and idiots can spew (or rather tweet/twat) and distribute their garbage to a world-wide audience.

However, what have this current crop of assholes got to do with anti-semitism in the Labour Party?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 10:31 AM

London's Muslim Mayor Barraged by Anti-Semites for Opposing Jeremy Corbyn

(JTA) — London Mayor Sadiq Khan, the first Muslim mayor of a European capital city, has been bombarded with anti-Semitic messages since he said he would not support Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour Party leadership election.

Several of the messages suggested that he had been influenced by Jews, the London-based news website Jewishnews.uk reported.

The mayor "spends his time writing articles to help his masters in Tel Aviv," read one tweet.

"Who owns you @sadiqkhan?" read another, which included a photo of Khan wearing a kippah while eating matzah at a Jewish community event.

Last week, Khan threw his support behind Owen Smith, who has been a Parliament member since 2010 and is Corbyn's only challenger for the party leadership. Smith previously worked as a radio and television producer for the BBC.

Khan, a Labour member, wrote an op-ed published Saturday in The Guardian newspaper in support of Smith. He said in the London-based daily that if Corbyn remained party leader, Labour would be unlikely to win the next general election. Khan also said Corbyn "has already proved that he is unable to organize an effective team, and has failed to win the trust and respect of the British people."

In a June op-ed in The Jerusalem Post, Kahn pledged to root out anti-Semitism in London and in the Labour Party.

Some 500,000 ballots for the leadership race were sent out to party members on Monday; the results will be announced next month.

JTA

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 07:23 AM

The EUMC has not existed for the last nine years. The "working definition" was OFFICIALLY ditched by its successor organisation in 2013, having NEVER been either adopted nor endorsed in any case. This is the inviolable truth of the matter that anyone can look up in five minutes. Of course, anyone can say they've "adopted" a defunct document. Christians do it all the time. You really are barking mad.

Naz Shah was put under mutually-agreed administrative supension pending investigation, then reinstated. The inviolable truth that anyone can look up in less than five minutes. Everything else is loose comment, opinion, bigging up by the pro-Israeli regime right wing (including you) and hearsay. I've seen many a box of frogs less mad than you. In the overall planetary scheme of things, Naz Shah was a storm in a teacup. Note "was." It's gone, Keith. Gone. Dead. You've nailed it to its perch to no avail. The issue has rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. It has ceased to be. It is an ex-issue.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 03:53 AM

Parting thought,
Labour's NEC suspended Shah for her antisemitic comments, endorsed by Corbyn and Shah herself, but to you they were not antisemitic.

Perhaps Labour has adopted the EUMC definitions that you still deny.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 03:13 AM

Nyah nyah nyah, Keith

I can not argue against such logic.
I do not know why you chose to bring up the subject, but understand why you are dropping it.
It was irrelevant to the case I was making.

You still deny that anrisemitism was and is a problem within the Left of the Party.
You deny Shah's antisemitic statements even though she was suspended for them, and Corbyn and Shah herself fully acknowledged that they were antisemitic.

You are incapable of recognising antisemitism when it is put in front of you.

I am offline for a few days.
Enjoy.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Aug 16 - 12:46 AM

And you Greg F. have proved conclusively that you are a idle, moronic Troll, incapable of finding anything out for yourself - "Thanks for the clarification". And CERTAINLY, no surprise, to me

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 06:15 PM

Look them up for yourself as I did and post them

By which you mean to say that you pulled those "statistics" out of your arse & can't substantiate them.

Thanks for the clarification. And again, no surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 02:28 PM

Nyah nyah nyah, Keith. Old ground upon which you have been comprehensively destroyed over and over again. Anyone who wants the truth can easily find the facts about your definition that never made it over the line and about your unofficial quasi-quango ("advised" by pro-Israel lobby groups and hardly anyone else) that decided it was going to cling to it despite its being trashed years ago by the EU. It's all in this thread. Teribus, with his lust for facts, would never support you on this. Even he wouldn't want to make such a bloody fool of himself. A bit of googling and a couple of clicks is all it takes.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 01:17 PM

While you're about that Greg F. how about posting a reference or a link to that Palestinian Authority/Hamas/Fatah/Hezbollah Map that shows the borders of this Two-State Solution they keep telling the UN they are fighting for.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 01:13 PM

Greg F. - 23 Aug 16 - 11:46 AM

Arab/Israeli casualty figures - Look them up for yourself as I did and post them.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 12:59 PM

Steve,
A definition that was never official,
Yes it was.
never advocated,
It certainly was.
never EU policy,

Obviously. It is definitions of antisemitism, not a policy document.

ditched in 2013,

Still there now.

drawn up by an unofficial committee that was "advised" by bodies that almost entirely comprised pro-Israel lobbyists.

More "Steve Wild Assertions that he can not substantiate with any facts.