BS: Caliphate

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,#
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 07:23 AM

I agree with you, Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 07:18 AM

Indeed he is, guest. But that is not a good excuse to condemn all Muslims.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,#
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 07:12 AM

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is rabid. Why so little condemnation of his actions? Neville Chamberlain become part of the national psyche?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 06:27 AM

Richard, what "truth" about me is "flushed out" because I referred to the Sunni/Shia split?
What in my post do you challenge Richard?
What would you have expressed differently?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 05:54 AM

Musket I have never felt obliged to heed the sabre rattling of anyone of any persuasion and I most certainly have not heard any cry of any Christian pastor calling on anybody to hate anybody else - If I were to, I think that I would have the commonsense to ignore it.


Eliza - Who said anything about herding anyone anywhere?

As for the "Troubles" - The PIRA and the INLA had to be fought to a standstill (1985 according to Martin McGuinness) before their "leadership" admitted that their "armed struggle" was getting them nowhere and even then there are still "Republicans/Nationalists" who support the men of violence and are all for continuing indiscriminate bombing campaigns (325 incidents since 1998). Besides unlike ISIS/ISIL clear points of negotiation were evident for all parties/sides associated with the situation in Northern Ireland.

Here by the way is the ISIS/ISIL "roadmap" as seen 5 years from now - and that by no means marks the limit of their plans:

The Caliphate 5 years from now according to ISIS

Now putting that together might step on the toes of a few "Big Boys" in the regions shown:
China
India
Russia
NATO
USA by nature of Articles 5 & 6 of the NATO Alliance.

Generally speaking if someone says they are going to attack you, take it as read that they will, in which case it is usually best practice to prepare for it and forestall the attack by all means at your disposal.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 05:17 AM

Well, that's flushed out the truth about KtheA and JerryTerry.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 05:08 AM

It has been going on for well over a thousand years, and reconciliation seems further away than ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 04:41 AM

My husband is in fact Sunni. But, as you say, not a subscriber to the fundamentalist, terrorist brigade. I agree that these war-mongering extremists present a serious threat to world peace. But I don't see that herding them up and killing them is defensible. As with the 'Troubles' all those years ago in Belfast, it will hopefully finally be understood that reconciliation, dialogue and negotiation are the 'weapons' for defusing the situation and removing the Threat. This sadly takes time and forbearance, both in short supply.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 04:24 AM

And i suppose you will feel obliged to heed the sabre rattling cry of Christian pastors calling on all Christians to hate Muslims.

After all, it applies to ALL Christians, not just the ones who use snakes in their weekly rituals.

Disgusting

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 04:10 AM

My sincere apologies Eliza but I somehow doubt that your husband is at this moment in time running about in a "technical" crucifying, beheading and murdering people purely because they are not Sunni Muslims, or even if they are, are not considered "devout" enough.

The Iraqi native Sunni population and tribes of Anbar Province have seized on the coat-tails of this ISIS "invasion" in an opportunist attempt to regain power by destabilising the entire country and threatening all minority groups therein. The publicly declared and clearly stated governance of this Caliphate extends to all Muslims whether those Muslims wish it, or desire it, irrespective of the country where that Muslim community lives.

My remark was not made in fun and would apply to any other region whose inhabitants think that they can host terrorists with an international agenda and spread terror throughout the world by attacking indiscriminately civilian populations - No "Boots on the Ground" merely retribution - it seems to be the only language they understand.

Air power IS the key that will recover the situation for the Iraqi Government, God knows what MANPADS ISIS have acquired from looted Syrian and Iraqi armouries. Don't know about you Eliza I'd rather have those surface to air missiles used up by those terrorists attempting to defend their leadership rather than watch pictures of civilian airliners fall out of the sky on approach to airports close to heavily built up areas, because if that happened - that would hurt me deeply.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 03:25 AM

Teribus, that's a shocking and disgraceful remark, even if made only in fun. I agree with Musket, it's no different to the death camp mentality of the thirties. My husband is a Muslim, and inflammatory comments such as yours hurt me deeply.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 02:55 AM

I doubt my newsagent recognises it.

He'd possibly recognise Teribus's final comment as demonstrating that shocking inflammatory comments aren't confined to wannabe Caliphs though.

There's a disused camp in Poland and blueprints for hermetically sealed sheds if you'd rather gather "them" all there instead Teribus. Get them to form two queues, women and children on one side...

Or maybe your first idea of murdering them in situ might be more fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 02:29 AM

"Nobody can "just assert dominance over all Muslims," since there is no structure, no heirarchy, no pecking order in Islam."

Is that "in theory"? Certainly not in practice (I mean the bit about a "pecking order")

The self-styled Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who set the Arabs against the Jews and worked damned hard at keeping that pot boiling for his entire life.

The 12 Old Gits and the Ayatollah in Iran certainly make strides in their assertion of their dominance over their Muslims

Al-Sistani in Iraq and the Shia of Iraq.

And now al-Baghdadi of ISIS or ISIL or whatever you want to call it.

It should be handy having them all gather inside their Caliphate - any trouble - declare it the largest live firing range in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 02:02 AM

It sounds like it might be very similar to the Ottoman Empire....only not as benign.

Nobody can "just assert dominance over all Muslims," since there is no structure, no heirarchy, no pecking order in Islam.

-Joe-

Subject: BS: Caliphate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 01:46 AM

Can they really just assert dominance over all moslems, and does that mean that the Palestinians actually have an islamic "home"land now?