BS: Obama is a socialist

Subject: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 10:58 PM

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialist-connections/

Obama's socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the "champions" of "Chicago's democratic left" and a long-time socialist activist. Obama's stint as a "community organizer" in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: TIA
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:10 PM

Nothing is more socialist than the bail-out cooked up by the Republican Administration. Privatize the profits, socialize the loss. And please, let's nationalize the insurance industry by buying AIG. Oh yeah, please protect us from socialism. Thanks a lot asshat.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:35 PM

Obama is a socialist? Sorry, not so. And, by most hyper-left standards, neither are the Democratic Socialists of America.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:41 PM

Like I said on another thread, if Obama was a socialist, he would have the approval of the socialists here in the Mudcat. He does not have their support. One of them is even supporting Palin, so I guess that makes her a socialist.

The Republicans really have become a bunch of socialists. They practice corporate socialism, which has been described above - privatize the profits and socialize the risk/loss. The Republicans have turned the United States of America into the ultimate nanny/welfare state.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:45 PM

I guess if he was endorsed by the UAW he'd be an auto worker. Or if NOW endorsed him, he'd be a woman.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:47 PM

And passed by the Democratic majority in congress, after tacking on $150B in pork.

Yeah, it was the Republican minority that overpowered the mighty and righteous Democrats.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Skivee
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:52 PM

Hmmm. Does that make Sen. MacCain an anti-socialist? Just wondering.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:55 PM

Bernard Sanders, independent of Vermont, who is regarded as the Senate's resident socialist.

Video of Obama campaigning for Sanders

One socialist helps another to gain power.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:34 AM

9 Members of the Communist Party USA explain their support for Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:13 AM

From: Skivee
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:52 PM

Hmmm. Does that make Sen. McCain an anti-socialist? Just wondering.

Not at all, just the right wing of the socialist party. They are working toward the same thing....isn't that obvious?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: alanabit
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:34 AM

In America, if you can make a charge of "Liberalism" or "Socialism" stick, you have proved that your opponent builds Gulag camps, beats his wife and eats cute kittens in pies... The rest of us, of course, recognise this political sophistication as a beacon to world democracy...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:50 AM

Obama is the next President of the USA, socialist or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:53 AM

Would that it were so.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 02:04 AM

Then of course, there is...'If you lose your freedom and liberty, then what do you have left?'

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 02:18 AM

Debt.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 02:25 AM

Buzzzzzz...wrong

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: freda underhill
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 02:34 AM

Americans lost their freedom and liberty when their Supreme Court appointed George Bush President over Al Gore. In a democracy, people vote for their President.

Obama is no more a socialist than Scary Palin is a barracuda.

All this flying dirt is symptomatic of panic. now is not the time to panic, the time to panic was when George Bush came to power. and look, he's plundered the American economy and triggered a global financial meltdown.

anyone who supports the Republicans in these circumstances is acting against their own interests.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 03:05 AM

Freda, what are you smoking?????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 03:24 AM

Sorry posted this on another thread by mistake..A

I agree with Carol and Freda, if Mr Obama was a Socialist, or anything resembling a Socialist, his candidature would never have been endorsed by the Democrats. Just look at how the semi-Socialists like Mr Nader or Mr Kuninich are discriminated against in this wonderful "democracy"

Mr Obama will have been well vetted before his adoption as Dem presidential candidate to ensure that he won't rock the corporate boat.
The fact that he is "black" and talks in euphemisms were handy tools to fool the American public into thinking that he represents "change"

Neither of our countries will achieve change without the participation of the ordinary people directly ....call it a "popular movement" call it "revolution"...it does not matter, but the enforced nationalising of the banking system has crossed a very important bridge for the left.
If ever we had the chance to take our future into our own hands this is the time.
If only Mrs Palin's energy and conviction could be harnessed to left wing ideals, we would be on a rollercoaster ride to to change, independence and the real freedom that we all want.

One thing is certain, from the hands of an intellectual, mealy mouthed,corporate lawyer, change will never be delivered....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: theleveller
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 03:43 AM

What's wrong with being a socialist? I'm a socialist. The opposite of socialism is fascism. So, as Billy Bragg says: 'Which Side Are You On?'

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 04:20 AM

I'm Clear

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Paul Burke
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 04:31 AM

Obama is a socialist, McCain is a pedobaptist, Plain (stet) is an anthropophagist, Biden scratches his belly with his big-toe nail.

I just love sophisticated political discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: theleveller
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 04:40 AM

"Plain (stet) is an anthropophagist"

You mean she eats people pie?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:09 AM

It was a one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:19 AM

Obama socialist? Good lord. Next we'll find out the Pope is Muslim.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:21 AM

Is this the 6th Joke thread of 2008 thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: freda underhill
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:22 AM

:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Deckman
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:53 AM

You say "socialist" like it's a BAD THING?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:00 AM

Lawyers can bring revolutions: Ghandi did.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Stu
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:52 AM

It'd be good if he was, but I suspect he's too right-wing, and somewhere along the line buddied up to a religious nut.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:56 AM

Sawz:

Ya gotta get your meds tricked up, man.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:23 AM

It kills me that in America, "socialist" is still a dirty word. Twas ever thus when I was a member of the DSA some 20 years ago. As someone has said, they are hardly an uber-left party; just very left by American standards. They believed in free higher education, a nationalised healthcare system and the welfare state. To me, it was about the kind of caring, supportive political system that put its people before the interests of the wealthy and big business.

If this is what Obama stands for, bring him on.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:40 AM

I only wish he were. Sadly, I don't get the impression that he sticks to convictions much.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:02 AM

Sawl-

Are you sure Obama isn't really a Trotskyite? I mean, can't you come up with anything more scary than a candidate receiving a state senate endorsement by Chicago Democratic Socialists, all six of them!

I also understand that Obama doesn't eat his vegetables, or doesn't chew 'em properly if he does. What about that?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: irishenglish
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:15 AM

Nice try Sawzaw. You think throwing out a buzzword that, as Ruth said above, most people think actually means something, with 21 days left is going to change anything? Get over it. Last I checked, America was a democracy, so if communists, animists, marijuana party, green party, atheists, or whoever else wants to vote for Obama, or whoever else for that matter, then it is their right to do so. Did you just work this out after despite Obama's campaigning for the last 20 months, or did someone put a flyer in your mailbox telling you this? You going to inform us that Obama and Bin Laden are connected too? Give me a break.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:20 AM

I just noticed the response to my previous post in this thread -

As has been noted by another poster a couple of posts before mine, it was the Republican, Bush administration that said if our Congress didn't pass the bill, the country would be totally destroyed forever. While I'm not happy with the fact that the Democrats allowed themselves to be snowed by this rhetoric from Bush, the bailout is, nevertheless, a Republican initiative, and the votes on the bill in the Senate did not split along party lines (and my Democratic representative voted against it).

The Republicans have turned the United States of America into the ultimate nanny/welfare state.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:51 AM

Get over yourselves. The US is not now, and never was, a democracy. It's a republic, and if you don't know the difference you should go find out. Britain is a constitutional monarchy. The closest things to a true democracy that I know of are Iceland and Ireland -- and in both money talks.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 10:12 AM

There is a dirty rumor that he is also a Cubs fan

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:05 AM

dang... he hasn't been called a gay, vegan, dyslexic pedophile...yet.

But there's still several weeks to go.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:09 AM

He is supposed to be a n word, terrorist, elitist and enemy of anyone with over 5 million dollars. A socialist is a step up as far as absurd accusations go.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:13 AM

Socialist = anyone not a card carrying Republican.....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: kendall
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:48 AM

I made a donation to the fund to save the statues in Egypt that were going to be covered by the Nile back in the 60s. Does that make me a Pharoist?

I see socialism as the normal state of affairs. It makes no sense to have 10% of the population controlling 90% of the wealth.
Socialism is coming to America, and the greed and corruption of Wall st. with the help of the thieves in Washington have helped to make that happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:49 AM

I remember when Ronald Reagan was endorsed by the KKK. Their Grand Wizard, or whatever inane title their sheet-wearing leader goes by, said it was almost like he let them write his platform.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:09 PM

Here's a look at the real Enemies of the State, imo. Thank goodness they are a minority and old-fashioned conservative Republicans have finally understood how they have given their party away to the right wing nuts and are ready to take it back.

I am proud to also note that someone did what I wanted to do..they painted over a disgusting sign someone had put up in our community. It had a picture of Obama on it with the following: "Will our people really vote for a Socialist?" I have also seen bumper stickers like THIS. (Scroll down.) THIS ONE is even more despicable.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: jeffp
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:16 PM

You'd better be carefull, Kendall. Somebody might realize that you just confessed to donating money to Abu Simbel and you'd be spirited away in the dead of night.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: PoppaGator
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:23 PM

"There is a dirty rumor that he is also a Cubs fan..."

Barack Obama is actually a diehard Chicago White Sox fan, a true regular-guy South Sider.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:27 PM

So "socialist" is synonymous with "communist", and no doubt has links to "anarchist" and probably also with "muslim", "vegan" and "soccer-lover".

That's what happens when perfectly good English words migrate. They lose their meaning and acquire new and inexplicable connotations.

You might as well say that Obama discombobulates. You'd make the same amount of sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:30 PM

"Barack Obama is actually a diehard Chicago White Sox fan, a true regular-guy South Sider."

Careful, PoppaGator, someone is bound to equate "South Sider" with unorthodox tendencies, and where would that leave the good Senator? Palin would have a field day.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:30 PM

"Barack Obama is actually a diehard Chicago White Sox fan, a true regular-guy South Sider. "

Sure, that is what the liberal media would like you to believe!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,stigweard lost cookie
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:33 PM

""soccer-lover"

George, it's football please: it's only called soccer in countries where they insist on calling another game football (inexplicably, not played with the feet).

Right. I'm off to see Tony Benn at Buxton.
stigWeard