BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 09:43 PM

Peace - It would seem that demands by the U.N. Security Council were made before Hezbollah won 18% of the seats in Parliament.

Yep, you're right about that, D'van. But before that they had over a year and a half and still didn't get it done.

Also, in the last line, it's somewhat of a relief to see that Armageddon doesn't scan. If I ever meet 'C' J M again I will mention that.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 09:39 PM

Peace - It would seem that demands by the U.N. Security Council were made before Hezbollah won 18% of the seats in Parliament. Hezbollah is part of the democratically elected, Lebanese government. (Wiki)

Since GWB forced Syria out of Lebanon, how can the U.N. propose that the Lebanese dimantle and replace Hezbollah? I doubt if they have the power to do that even if they have the will (which they don't).

Btw - Both Iran and Syria have said that although they support Hezbollah, they do not supply arms to Hezbollah.

Both Hamas and Hezbollah were chosen by the people in a free election.

"And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is..."

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 08:20 PM

From the www

"Then Hezbollah killed eight Israeli soldiers and captured two in northern Israel. There appeared to be far fewer complications than in Gaza. This was aggression across a UN-drawn international border by a well-equipped state-within-a-state supported by Iran and Syria. Even more, the UN Security Council had demanded two years ago that Hezbollah be dismantled and replaced on the border by the Lebanese Army."

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 08:15 PM

Home>>World News
World NewsVIOLENCE IN MIDDLE EAST
Israeli PM warns Lebanon of "far-reaching consequences"
07/16/2006

CLIP

"The crisis was sparked last Wednesday when Hizbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid and killed eight soldiers in ensuing clashes. Since then, Israeli war planes have pounded targets across its northern neighbour, including the headquarters of Hizbollah in an attempt to hit at its leader, Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah. Hizbollah, a Shi'ite guerrilla group that has virtually carved out a separate state in southern Lebanon, is believed to have about 10,000 to 12,000 rockets in its arsenal, with a range of between 30 km and 70 km."

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 07:37 PM

"I only have one eye. Do you want me to look at the speedometer or the road?"

Good article from the Timesonline.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 07:09 PM

"2 More Israelis Are Killed as Rain of Rockets From Lebanon Pushes Thousands South
By GREG MYRE
Published: July 15, 2006
Rockets rained down on northern Israel for a third straight day, killing a woman and her 5-year-old grandson."

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Oslo
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 07:07 PM

'The Israeli attack came after a rocket slammed into the northern port city of Haifa on Thursday evening. Earlier, two Israelis were killed and another 120 were wounded when scores of Katyusha rockets fired by Hezbollah guerillas rained down across northern Israel.'

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 07:07 PM

Hezbollah Rocket Barrage Kills 8 in Haifa
Lebanese Guerillas Fire Rocket Barrage Into Israeli City of Haifa, Killing 8 As Conflict Rages

By JOSEF FEDERMAN

HAIFA, Israel Jul 16, 2006 (AP)— Lebanese guerillas fired a relentless barrage of rockets into this northern Israeli city during morning rush hour Sunday, killing eight people at a train station and wounding seven in a dramatic escalation of a five-day-old conflict that has shattered hopes for Mideast peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,David
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 06:59 PM

The International Solidarity Movement which works in the occupied West Bank to protect Palestinian human rights has reported that two of its human rights workers and several Palestinian children have been attacked by Zionist settlers in the Palestinian city of Hebron.

The victims were punched and hit with rocks and spat at before the incident ended and medical attention was given.
Apparently , the International workers were attacked after reporting an earlier attack on Palestinian children.
David

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:52 PM

And speaking of your heroes from Hezbollah, Hamas and no doubt the Iranian 'specialists' who are in to help: All they have to do to stop the killing of civilians is to get away from those civilians. They made the challenge to Israel days ago; the challenge to bring the war into the open. The ball is in Their court now, not the Israelis'.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:39 PM

Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that targets Israel. Yes, by your friends ye shall be known.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,JON
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:37 PM

Hezbollah is a resistance movement of shia muslim Lebanese.They can and do speak for themselves.

However,ther are now millions across the world who support the cause of a Free Palestine .

Among the ranks of the supporters of a Free Palestine are many,many Jewish people-both radical secularist and religious. You know that and if you dont you should reconsider whether Mudcat is the place for you to air your bigotry =the local bar would seem more appropriate somehow.

Take a look at who is supporting Israel's attack on the Gaza and the Lebanon...George Bush and his Texan oil cronies,the evangelical christians, rightwingers all, the arms dealers who have done so well dealing in death and misery,Tony Blair who has become a reviled figure in Britain and the neo cons in the Washington High Command who want to fight the Long War with every drop of some other mother's son.
By your friends ye shall be known!!!
jon

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:17 PM

The trouble with you Hezbollah supporters is that you don't really care about civilians or Palestinian or Lebanese kids. You care about your multi-posts to this thread under various GUEST aliases and your vitriol, a barely disguised hatred of Jews. You care about your ideologies and not the people involved. FOAD yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,jon
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:14 PM

The trouble with you Zionist supporters is that you have wanted the Palestinian people...the indiginous people of Palestine... to f*** off as you so inelequently put it for the past 100 years and they have refused to be beaten off their land or their page of history.

The Palestinians and Hamas are fighting back with what they have....which is no military match for the missiles,super bombs and heavy tanks and artillery routinely used by the Israelis.

As previously stated elsewhere Hezbollah was practically invented by Israel's war machine....it grew from nothing in response to an 18 year old invasion of Lebanon by the Israeli military with all the horrors that invasion brought into being.

Again Hamas came about with some subtle Israeli encouragement .The Israeli were keen to break the unity of the Palestinine Liberation Organisation and thought it could encourage an islamic group to drain away support from the PLO.

The result is ,a decade later, is a militant Palestinian govt which is not prepared to kowtow before the armed might of Israel.

Keep your crocodile tears for yourself!Palestinian kids have been routinely brutalised by both the Israeli army and Zionist paramilitary colonialists for decades. They have ben brought up with beatings ,rubber bullets,tear gas and imprisonment.Many have been killed or horribly maimed.

For years there has been a growing world wide movement in suport of Palestine ...it has been calling for peace and social justice and the return of Palestinian refugees to their homeland....the Zionists have jeered at them...they wont even acknowledge the name "Palestine "let alone accept that the Palestinians have a just case.If that were to happen the refugees would have to return home and the Zionist myth would be blown apart.
jon

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,jon
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:56 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:44 PM

I hear fron those who are speaking on behalf of Palestinians that they are angry that Israel is doing this. Listen up: so am I. However, I would give more consideration to your remarks had I ever seen or heard you talk against the shit known as Hezbollah and Hamas. Forget your revisionist histrionics--I see you being led by an ideology that does not care when Israeli kids are killed by the shite you support. Until such time as you demonstrate soemthing akin to a humane feeling for all people in the mid-East, I wish you would fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:41 PM

Please take your hatred elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,jon
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:35 PM

And to get to the stage of a regional heavyweight bully always ready and willing to grab more land from the Palestinians and conduct all out war with its neighbours it has needed American military,economic and diplomatic support.

Without that support Israel would have had to have reached a genuine and just settlement with the Palestinians and Lebanese many years ago.
Please spare the justifications for Dave 's [the ancient mariner ] support for Zionist Israel.
Try listening to the International Solidarity Movement witnesses who have been trying to prevent the Zionist land grab .Many of these brave people are Jewish but they are all appalled by the savage humiliation and murder of Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli occupation forces.
Try listening to Gilad Atzman , a renowned jazz musician and former soldier in the Israeli army who is disgusted at what the Israeli army has done.Better still listen to the Palestinian people and experience their ongoing suffering.
jon

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:29 PM

Hear, hear, Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:28 PM

mercy, mercy! Zionist? I've been called a lot of things, but that's a first.

Dave & I share the honor of have no ax to grind in this mess...except the one that says it ALL wrong. 'Walt' proves my point by using the "anyone who doesn't agree with MY prejudices is a ********....*argument.

Sorry, 'Walt', there ARE no good guys in this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:23 PM

'"Israel has an enormous military capability, built up with the support of the USA"

And if it did not have this capability it would no longer exist.'

Well said, Bobad.


Dave (the ancient mariner): He has more right than most to remark on the situation. He's a guy who's 'been there and done that' with regard to helping refugees, DPs, and people living on the edge of starvation.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:17 PM

The news has just come in that Israeli warplanes have attacked houses in South Lebanon killing 25 and wounding 33 civilians including several children.
Israel has warned that it intends using the Lebanon as free fire zone ,a tactic used by the USA in Vietnam.
This tactic will come as no surprise and the plans have only had to be taken down off the shelf in the war room and given an update and a dusting down.Whatever the Zionist leaders claim they can do ....they overdo! In this case it is to commit state terror and mass murder.
jon

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:16 PM

No Walt merely presenting facts rather than fiction. I just know the history a little better than you do. Apparently when facts are presented it is commonplace to accuse the person presenting them as being biased, bigotted,racist etc... Sorry mate i'm just a simple worker with no axe to grind for either side. I also have worked towards helping the peace process in the middle east, no armchair warrior i have served in the front line so fuck off and have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Walt
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:08 PM

REPLY TO BILL AND DAVE
What a smug pair of Zionists Bill and Dave are!
For years the Zionists have bullied ,browbeaten and humiliated the Palestinians .
Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank since 1967.It has illegally imprisoned thousands of Palestinians from the West Bank since that time and grabbed huge swathes of fertile land from them.Is that "listmaking" as you so arrogantly and condescendingly put it?
If the resistance in the 2nd World War were to make a list of Nazi atrocities would that be listmaking.I think not."Grabbing the thread indeed "! What tosh!
You Zionists are having to face criticism on Mudcat and you don't like it!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 12:57 PM

Fraid so Bill, they belong to the, don't confuse me with facts my mind is made up, syndrome

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 12:44 PM

so, as usual, the 'listmakers' have grabbed the thread, as if listing the latest bombs, missles and casualties proves their point.

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Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Big Sal
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 12:29 PM

Big Al has it 'almost' there. Israel was the new skinny kid in school, who bulked up when four big fat kids went after him his first day on the playground. The big fat kids were also cowards with a couple of rich parents. they now pay the poor kids lunch money to kick the new kid in the shins, then whent the new kid defends himself they cry foul and throw rocks.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Big Al
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 11:58 AM

Rondi Adamson, Zionist said above:

"The Lebanese government has not taken care of Hezbollah. So it falls to Israel, which will take criticism for doing someone else's job. Hamas's military arm must be dismantled as well for the sake of Israel and the Palestinians, and any hope of a future for them."

The ONLY way to 'take care of Hezbollah" and "disarm Hamas" is to disarm the sycopathic 'nation' which has nuclear missiles called Israel.

Israel reminds me of a stupid, brain dead fat kid in my old school who used to beat up the weedy kids but then burst into tears and run to the teacher when one of them kicked back. Except in Israels case, the teacher (America) just gives him a knife to go an stab the weedy kid. Then the stupid brain dead fat kid justifies stabbing the weedy kid to death beacuse he has dangerous feet!

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 11:49 AM

When I was studying international relations, a few eons ago, one of my professors had a theory about trouble spots in the world. He called them "shatterbelt zones- don't know if the term was original with him. As I recall, he defined them as areas in which 2 different groups of people claimed exactly the same territory. There were other criteria, which I can't recall. He looked at the problem as basically intractable.

But in his designation of such "zones" he included South Africa. So he appears to have been wrong in seeing all of such "zones" as unsolvable problems.

This indicates there is in fact hope--still.

I suppose the main difference between the 2 problems is that in the Mideast, not only are the 2 groups claiming exactly the same territory, but there's another factor not found in South Africa. States outside the actual area are using the belligerents--on both sides-- as their proxies. It's not a question of "puppetmasters"--they certainly don't have complete control--but the states outside seem to be able to stoke the conflict when it suits them--or at least take advantage of the situation--and obstruct efforts to solve it.

In the case of South Africa, many states outside seem to have been in favor of a peaceful accomodation.

So it appears that in order to solve the Mideast situation, the states outside have to be--all--convinced that there's no incentive to encourage the conflict, that their self-interest lies in peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,jon
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 11:36 AM

"1000 missiles shot at the heart of the country"

Isn't that what Pres George Bush ordered in operation "Shock and Awe"when the American attack on Iraq got underway three years ago.
Perhaps it wasnt 1000 missiles ...I think it was many thousands of cruise missiles,big bombs and other weapons.....the killing he unleashed then is still going on strong ...and hasnt stopped.
Millions marched for peace then ...but the warguys got their way and to hear Bush support Israel ,and in effect allow it to carry on with its bombing of civilian targets in Lebanon...turning it into a freefire zone is grotesque... but entirely predictable.
jon

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 10:40 AM

MYTH

"The Jews started the first war with the Arabs."

FACT

The chairman of the Arab Higher Committee said the Arabs would "fight for every inch of their country."1 Two days later, the holy men of Al-Azhar University in Cairo called on the Muslim world to proclaim a jihad (holy war) against the Jews.2 Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood . . . ."3

Husseini's prediction began to come true almost immediately after the UN announced partition resolution on November 29, 1947. The Arabs declared a protest strike and instigated riots that claimed the lives of 62 Jews and 32 Arabs. Violence continued to escalate through the end of the year.4

The first large-scale assaults began on January 9, 1948, when approximately 1,000 Arabs attacked Jewish communities in northern Palestine. By February, the British said so many Arabs had infiltrated they lacked the forces to run them back.5 In fact, the British turned over bases and arms to Arab irregulars and the Arab Legion.

In the first phase of the war, lasting from November 29, 1947 until April 1, 1948, the Palestinian Arabs took the offensive, with help from volunteers from neighboring countries. The Jews suffered severe casualties and passage along most of their major roadways was disrupted.

On April 26, 1948, Transjordan's King Abdullah said:


[A]ll our efforts to find a peaceful solution to the Palestine problem have failed. The only way left for us is war. I will have the pleasure and honor to save Palestine.6

On May 4, 1948, the Arab Legion attacked Kfar Etzion. The defenders drove them back, but the Legion returned a week later. After two days, the ill-equipped and outnumbered settlers were overwhelmed. Many defenders were massacred after they had surrendered.7 This was prior to the invasion by the regular Arab armies that followed Israel's declaration of independence.

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.8

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.9

The British commander of Jordan's Arab Legion, John Bagot Glubb admitted:

Early in January, the first detachments of the Arab Liberation Army began to infiltrate into Palestine from Syria. Some came through Jordan and even through Amman . . . They were in reality to strike the first blow in the ruin of the Arabs of Palestine.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 10:32 AM

http://www.upstartactivist.com/downloads/IsraelandPalestine.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Rondi Adamson
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 10:12 AM

"I don't know of one democratic country in the world, one, that would accept and do nothing when 1,000 missiles are shot at innocent civilians at the heart of the country. Some of those who preach to us would have done a lot more in a more brutal, vicious and cruel way." These were the words of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert early last week. I think Olmert is wrong in part. All who preach to Israel would have responded more viciously, brutally and cruelly.

I don't see how Israel could be accused of carrying out a "disproportionate act of war," as a French politician said last Thursday. I don't see how Israel is overreacting, given the aforementioned — and given the June kidnapping of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, the kidnap and execution of a settler on the West Bank, the kidnapping of two more Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah.

Throw in, too, the rockets that have continued to come out of Gaza since Israel withdrew last summer. By withdrawing from Gaza, Israel was reversing a mistake.

I would like to see any Palestinian leader admit and reverse any mistake, even a tiny one, or even understand the concept. Israel left behind greenhouses, which had been worth $100 million a year in exports. Rather than build on that, Palestinians looted and destroyed them and continued firing rockets, without provocation, onto nearby Israeli villages. Israel has also withdrawn completely from Lebanon in the past six years. This has not stopped Hezbollah from shelling Israel sporadically over the years and from attacking Israel again last week.

Neither of these aggressions against Israel, therefore, can rightly be called territorial disputes. Unless we are discussing the fact that Hezbollah and Hamas consider Israel, itself, territory that should be free of Jews.

The Lebanese government has not taken care of Hezbollah. So it falls to Israel, which will take criticism for doing someone else's job. Hamas's military arm must be dismantled as well for the sake of Israel and the Palestinians, and any hope of a future for them.

The international community should worry less about Israel showing restraint when it is persistently under attack, and more about Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria and Iran.

Hezbollah, with its links to those countries, must be dismantled as a military force. Not only for the sake of Israel, but for the sake of the Lebanese people, the entire region, and the rest of us.

At the same time Iran was supposed to respond to an incentive package to give up its nuclear program, Hezbollah attacked Israel. Coincidence? I think not. Hezbollah is part of the larger game.

Mumbai, New York, Bali, London, Haifa. These are also all part of the same larger game, the global war on terror. If we accuse Israel of not being sufficiently "restrained" for responding as it has, what exactly will we do when our turn comes?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 09:41 AM

MASSACCRE AT TANTURA!
On the 15th May 1948 around 200 Palestinian villagers from Tantura near Haifa were massacred by Israeli fighting forces.

The men were shot in batches of ten.The few survivors were expelled from the country and made their way to refugee camps where they were eventually able to give oral testimony to the massacre at Tantura.
The Palestinian village was erased with all its houses demolished except for one at the edge of the village.The village is now a parking lot.

When Bobad in the above posting justifies the arming of Israel by the USA we can all think back to the terrible slaughters across the
land that were needed to get rid of the Palestinians from their homes and land.And the slaughter continues with over a hundred Lebanese civilians bombed and incinerated by American built warplanes in the past few days.
.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 09:26 AM

"Israel has an enormous military capability, built up with the support of the USA"

And if it did not have this capability it would no longer exist.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Walt
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 09:07 AM

Israeli shelling on Gaza have killed a 75 year old woman and wounded 10 others including a baby.
Walt

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Big Al
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 06:11 AM

What makes me despair is that there is any debate over the rights and wrongs of this conflict at all.

IT is CLEAR AS DAY THAT ISRAEL IS MORALLY, POLITICALLY AND LEGALLY WRONG.

Its creation, it's continued existence, its US support, its nuclear arsenal, it's oppression of the Palestinians…

EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS WRONG.

Unless, of course, you are a Zionist and only care about your own selfish interests that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Hugo
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:35 AM

The Palestinian village of Beit Unmar was the scene of a peaceful protest last week which ended with Israeli soldiers beating,punching,strangling and kicking 2 Palestinian and nine international observers who had gone to try to stop Israeli bulldozers wrecking Palestinian orchards and destroying farmland.

The Israeli intend to grab land from the Palestinians to build a
security wall to protect one of its illegal settlements.
Beit Unmar has a population of 15000 Palestinians and is situated in the illegally occupied West Bank which is under Israeli military occupation.
Hugo

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,IFOR
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:21 AM

To Peace
Your quip about Hezbollah using sarin gas reminded me that it was an Israeli El Al commercial jet which crashed in Amsterdam in 1992 .The plane was found to be carrying many of the chemical ingredients used to make sarin.Reports claimed enough was on board to make 5oo lbs of the deadly stuff.
We already know thanks to Mordechai Vanunu and other sources that Israel has a large nuclear arsenal but it also has used chemical and toxic weapons against the Palestinian people in Gaza and on the West Bank.
Israel has an enormous military capability, built up with the support of the USA and time and time again it has smashed civilian targets from Beirut which it last destroyed in 1982 to the refugee camp of Jenin which it pulverised four years ago killing some 500Palestinians.
During the past few months it has rained thousands of shells ,missiles and bombs on Gaza.
ifor

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:05 AM

For whatever good it will do, I just e-mailed this to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Israel):

"I am pro Israel. Have been all my life. I understand your response to the recent kidnappings and attacks. But please, in the name of all that is holy, cease fire and allow non combatants to get out of Gaza and Lebanon. World opinion is beginning to see Israel as the terrorist. Please understand, I hate Hezbollah. They are bastards. I think the same of Hamas. I don't want to think the same of Israel. Please allow the people to get out. Cease fire for that length of time. I beg you."

Hope you all have a good evening.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Brigham
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:36 AM

The terrorists of both side must cease fire.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Winslow
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:34 AM

The brunt of the onslaught focused more and more on Hezbollah's top leadership in south Beirut and the eastern city of Baalbek. Ambulances raced to a Baalbek residential neighborhood where black smoke rose from airstrikes. Israel also targeted the headquarters compound of Hezbollah's leadership in a crowded Shiite neighborhood of south Beirut for the second straight day.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:31 AM

But will the US add its voice to theirs?

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:30 AM

"Arab foreign ministers, meeting in Cairo, adopted a resolution calling for U.N. Security Council intervention. But moderates led by Saudi Arabia, bickering with Syria and other backers of Hezbollah, denounced the Lebanese guerrilla group's actions in provoking the latest conflict."

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Jackson
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:30 AM

Only hours after the attack on the Lebanon was launched hundreds of anti war and pro peace demonstrators protested outside the Ministry of Defence in Tel Aviv.
They called for an end to the hostilities and dialogue over the captured Israeli soldiers.
They also called for Euorpean soldiers to be used as a buffer between Israel and the Lebanon and an end to the strangling of the Gaza by the Israeli army.
Jackson

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:26 AM

Seventy rockets have been fried from Lebanon into Israel in the past 24 hours. All the targets were civilian.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:21 AM

When Israel invaded and occupied the Lebanon back in 1982 Hezbollah did nOt exist.

It was the invasion, and the devastation it brought ,that created Hezbollah.

The Israelis destroyed Beirut and other cities and occupied southern Lebanon for 18 years .

Eventually the mounting casualties inflicted by Hezbollah drove them back over the border.

It is difficult to imagine but in the 1960 s and 1970s The Lebanon was known as the Switzerland of the Middle East but The Israeli war machine driven by Zionist extremists like Ariel Sharon [the Butcher of Beirut ] put paid to that.
IFOR

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:19 AM

Tear gas and rubber bullets.

Hezbollah would have used Sarin gas and dumdum bullets.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:17 AM

"Attacks continue

Israel is continuing to pound targets across Lebanon, with no sign that its attacks on Hezbollah and civilian installations are nearing an end.

The latest Israeli air strikes have hit port facilities in Beirut and Lebanon's second biggest city, Tripoli.

There have also been attacks on roads and bridges leading to border crossings with Syria.

The Israeli army says Lebanon's transport facilities are being targeted to prevent Hezbollah importing missiles.

The Israelis say more than 70 rockets have been fired into northern Israel in the past 24 hours.

In a television address earlier, the Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora pleaded for the United Nations to intervene.

"We've worked and we're still working on recovering from the Israeli invasion since 1982, 1993 and 1996, and here comes Israeli sabotage again," he said.

"I declare Lebanon a ravaged country, which needs an Arab international rising plan to fix all that was destroyed by the Israeli aggression."

Mr Siniora repeated his demand for an immediate cease-fire.


Peace process 'dead'

The President of the Arab League has declared the Middle East peace process is "dead" as foreign ministers met in an emergency session in Cairo.

The ministers unanimously condemned the Israeli offensive in Lebanon and called on the United Nations Security Council to intervene.

Israeli Government spokeswoman Miri Eisen says Israel is determined to crush Hezbollah.

"They're targeting the civilians [in Israel] on purpose, they're making the Israelis sit in the bomb shelters," she said.

"We can't let Hezbollah be the ones who define what's going to happen.

"We have to, we are determined to make sure that at the end of this was Hezbollah will not rule the south, will not have our kidnapped soldiers and will not be an armed force inside Lebanon."

In Beirut, many people feel Israel's attacks have undone years of progress after Lebanon's civil war.

But Israelis in the northern town of Nahariya say the military must stop Hezbollah from firing rockets across the border.

"We are behind the Army, we support everything they're doing because there is not another way," one said."

News report on the web.

Subject: RE: BS: Gaza Strip 28/9 June 2006
From: GUEST,Hugo
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:14 AM

Human Rights Workers [HRWS] in the West Bank village of Beit Unmar have been attacked by Israeli occupation troops using tear gas.

The two workers were eating lunch in the back garden of a village house when tear gas grenades were lobbed at them by Israeli soldiers who wanted them to leave .They were in the village investigating Palestinian complaints about the massive apartheid wall that is now cutting off the village from its hinterland.

Twenty armed soldiers in hummer armoured vehicles then confronted teenagers from the village and fired rubber bullets at them. The Israeli soldiers damaged a taxi and arrested its driver who was released about an hour later.
Hugo