BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 03:49 AM

Pfr, I appreciate your concern, but it is misplaced, at least in terms of dementia.
I am indeed unwell, but with a cancer that has no symptoms until near the end.

Steve,
What antisemitism, Keith? Spell it out for us, please, Keith. Give us chapter and verse about the antisemitism which, IN YOUR OPINION, no-one else's if you don't mind, you have PERSONALLY detected in the Labour Party.

None Steve. I do not monitor the tweets and statements of left wing politicos.

Not the ones from newspapers or your usual pro-Israel sources, just from in your own head.

I do not make assertions just from my own head Steve.
I have quoted high profile people within Labour who are quite clear that there is an antisemitism problem within Labour.
Not from "newspapers or your usual pro-Israel sources."

Among those I have quoted saying that there is a problem are the newly elected Labour Mayor of London, the former leader of the Scottish Labour Party, and the whole of the Labour Party National Executive Committee!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 10:56 PM

I should be in bed - but it's too hot and stuffy.. and I have indigestion....

Keith - Please believe I am not saying any of this out of spite or wanting to hurt..

https://www.agingcare.com/Articles/respond-when-dementia-causes-elder-to-repeat-150912.htm


"As a group, seniors are known for repeating themselves.
Whether it's a story from their past, or an amusing joke they just heard, our aging loved ones have a tendency to say the same thing multiple times....

... However, there is a difference between an elder who repeats every once in a while, and an elder who has dementia and asks the same question multiple times
in a matter of minutes, or regales you with the same story several times in one day.
When this happens, it can be difficult for a frustrated caregiver to know how to respond, and how to get them to stop...."

I am overly aware and sensitive due to prevailing family circumstances...

I don't know your age or anything about your personal profile,
but I see signs that a closer friend or relative should not be so shy to bring to the attention
of at least a few mudcatters....

If I've raised an issue already of concern.. start by googling "dementia loop"


... or maybe [fingers crossed] you are fully compos mentis and are quite knowingly
employing the 'ignore what we say and repeat us into submission tactic'...


As a mudcat 'mate', who also enjoys robust argument I hope it's the latter.... 😐

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 07:17 PM

Cheers, pfr. It's about time we went for the bloody jugulars of these lying, prejudiced bloody hypocrites. Children die en masse at the hands of the IDF and they tell us that Hamas murdered those kids. Illegal Yankee cluster bomblets, strewn all over southern Lebanon in the hundreds of thousands by the IDF, blow the legs off hundreds of children playing in the fields to this day, and we get told by these two bastards that Hezbollah maimed those kids. Black is white, blood is paint, blood is paint, blood is paint. Let's keep calling it like it is. It helps that one of this disconsolate pair, bobad, is a massive cheat of everyone on this forum, and that Keith is his scurrilous apologist. That much is certain. We don't need these facts at our disposal, of course, but it does no harm to keep reminding ourselves of the ratbags that we're up against.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 06:39 PM

Keith - we actually discussed this behaviour several threads ago when you let slip you were unwell.
But we didn't want to pry any further into your privacy.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 06:33 PM

Keith - you've reached your usual inevitable mental blockage in your argument..

"rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. rewind - repeat.. ignore/forget.. "

..are you actually aware you are doing this..???

I have to put up with my mother doing this all the time since she was diagnosed with memory loss and confusion.... 😣

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 06:25 PM

"No. It shows that he knows of antisemitism that Corbyn has done nothing about."

What antisemitism, Keith? Spell it out for us, please, Keith. Give us chapter and verse about the antisemitism which, IN YOUR OPINION, no-one else's if you don't mind, you have PERSONALLY detected in the Labour Party. Not the ones from newspapers or your usual pro-Israel sources, just from in your own head. Come on, Keith, piss or get off the pot. I want to know, right now, unadorned, who has said what that, IN KEITH'S OPINION, no-one else's, in the Labour Party that is antisemitic. Out with it. No quotes, no more of your vacillating, appealing-to-authority, pusillanimous bullshit. What antisemitism has your twitchy antennae picked up, Keith, and why do you think it's antisemitic? Time you got honest and answered, Keith. You really don't want us all thinking that you're no more than just another, simpering, prejudiced, lying, forum-cheating bobad clone, do you? Or do you!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 06:01 PM

Among those I have quoted saying that there is a problem...

Yeak, Professor, but what do the live, eminent historians whose books are available in Blackstone's have to say?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 01:36 PM

Where is your evidence that there is a serious problem in the Labout party

Among those I have quoted saying that there is a problem are the newly elected Labour Mayor of London, the former leader of the Scottish Labour Party, and the whole of the Labour Party National Executive Committee!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 01:33 PM

"Jim, I have never claimed anything about Chakarbarti."]You put her up to suggest that she supported your case - she doesn't - you aer now back-pedaling - it's what you do.

Not true.
Her name just appeared incidentally in a quote I pasted in.
I had never typed her name before you made that false claim.

"He did accuse Corbyn of failing to call out Labour antisemitism."
That is a political criticism of how Corbyn acted, not a suggestion of any problem

No. It shows that he knows of antisemitism that Corbyn has done nothing about.

any Labour person who supports Israel is supporting an extremist terrorist State.

No liberal democracy or democratic party regards Israel as such.
Your assertion is based on nothing, and is false.

You have been given the Guardian comments - you ignore them

Yes, as you ignore the Guardian comments that say the opposite.

How dare you - where have I?

You appear to believe that we should dismiss the views on antisemitism of anyone who supports Israel.

You are the ones who link the Jewish people as a whole to Israeli war crimes, massacres and acts of terror - not me.

Like every liberal democracy in the world, I do not accept that Israel has committed any "war crimes, massacres and acts of terror."

I am not so gullible as to accept without question the propaganda of Israel's enemies.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 09:34 AM

That should not prevent them speaking out against antisemitism.

However it SHOULD prevent "them from" INVENTING antisemitism and making accusations thereof where it doesnt exist.

I hope you recognise yourself as one of the latter "them", Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 06:16 AM

"Jim, I have never claimed anything about Chakarbarti."]You put her up to suggest that she supported your case - she doesn't - you aer now back-pedaling - it's what you do.
"Khan never said there was "no proof."
There is no proof and won't be until there is a proper enquiry - how can he or anybody claim anything until that happens?
"He did accuse Corbyn of failing to call out Labour antisemitism."
That is a political criticism of how Corbyn acted, not a suggestion of any problem - it has more to do with a forthcoming election than it did Antisemitism in the Labour Party.
""extremist right wingers in the Labour Party, "
Of course there are - you've been shown one - Tony Blair was another - plenty more examples in history (try Mosley) - any Labour person who supports Israel is supporting an extremist terrorist State.
Politics is no longer a calling, it's a career and it has been for a long time.
You have been given the Guardian comments - you ignore them
"People from all parties and political persuasions support Israel."
All parties have their share of extremists.
"That should not prevent them speaking out against antisemitism."
How dare you - where have I?
You are the ones who link the Jewish people as a whole to Israeli war crimes, massacres and acts of terror - not me.
Squalid as ever.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 04:05 AM

Jim, I have never claimed anything about Chakarbarti.
Khan never said there was "no proof."
He did accuse Corbyn of failing to call out Labour antisemitism.
There are no "extremist right wingers in the Labour Party, but there are extremiist left wingers.
People from all parties and political persuasions support Israel.
That should not prevent them speaking out against antisemitism.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 08:52 PM

Greg, this bobad bloke is the most scurrilous, lying, dishonest, piss-taking cheating bastard that this forum has ever had to endure. He pretended that he needed to be anonymous "in order that we address the issue, not the man," whilst simultaneously calling us Jew haters. That's what we're dealing with. He has never been chastised nor punished for his severe dishonesty, therefore I think that he should be attacked for his dissembling arch-bigotry every time he posts. And he needs to be careful, as one day I'll tell the racist bastard what I really think!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 07:02 PM

I assume you're referring to yourself, BooBad - however you're like the police in the Pirates of Penzance: "we go we go" --- yes, but you DON't go" ................

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 06:50 PM

Just ignore him and he'll go away, folks.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 05:42 PM

Dear Jesus and all the saints in heaven, not this same old mound of pigshit over again that anyone who criticizes the policies and actions of the current Israeli government is an "anti-semite".

The same old ignorant moron ideaologues that claim this are in the same category holocaust deniers, flat earthers, creationists, Trump Republicans and the host of others to whom facts are irrelevant.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME ENGAGING THEM!!!

Better use of your time would be pounding salt down a rat hole.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 04:04 PM

"I never said she did."
You claimed it was and put her up as proof - more smoke and mirrors then?
"Yes it is quite right, and he accused Corbyn of failing to call out antisemitism in Labour"
He said there was no proof, as with Chakrabari, you claimed there was and put him up to show there was a serious problem - you lied.
"Rubbish. How can a lifelong Labour activist be "an extremist right winger?"
You mean Tony Blair was a socialist......!!!!!!
You've already had this but here goes again.
"He was the Chair of the Labour Friends of Israel from 2001 to 2002,[20] (describes as "less unquestioning in its support of the Israeli government than the Conservative Friends of Israel") and is a member of the Henry Jackson Society's Political Council.[21]
Wiik (link above)
"Lots of people, left and right wing and from all parties, are "pro-Israel.""
No left wingers have supported this Israeli regimes terrorism andf mass-murder, none - as you rightly say - "That is a ludicrous assertion. Ridiculous."
Off to follow PFR's example - Casualty beacons - dramatised bloodletting is far less stomach-heaving than this slef-inflicted masochistic nonsense.
Any sign of the proof for that serious problem yet Keith?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 04:01 PM

Good luck Pfr.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 02:11 PM

Just a hunch, but I've been suspicious of the ex tory MPs who fled the sinking ship
to join the Labour party as soon as Blair won and became Prime Minister....???

Jim - you have the research expertise and discipline that I lack, to establish how many are still remaining and active
within the Labour Party...


Keith - I'd like to stay and play but the wife has just got back from a stress busting away from it all week
with a retired lady travel companion, relaxing in the rain soaked channel islands...

She has come home refreshed and highly amorous..
I hope my back and knees hold out.. wish me luck.... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 01:58 PM

she Chakrabarti) has said that Antisemitism is "a serious issue"
I never said she did.
The NEC said it was "a serious issue" according to Labour List.

Sadiq Khan has not said their is a problem other than the row that has blown up might have affected his election as mayor - as your quote says ""If somebody is saying views that are appalling, disgusting and clearly anti-Semitic, I've got to call it out.", which is quite right

Yes it is quite right, and he accused Corbyn of failing to call out antisemitism in Labour.

"Former Scottish Labour leader, Jim Murphy" - is an extremist right winger

Rubbish. How can a lifelong Labour activist be "an extremist right winger?"
That is a ludicrous assertion. Ridiculous.

and a member of several pro-Israeli organisations.

So what?
Lots of people, left and right wing and from all parties, are "pro-Israel."
They are still allowed to object to anti-semitism.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 01:54 PM

I suggest that if the Labour Party has a problem then it is that it has been infiltrated by Extremist Right Wing, atrocity-denying Israeli supporters - maybe that should be the subject of an enquiry
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 01:51 PM

Keith - ok.. so a concerted effort from all directions in the media to publicly accuse Labour of antisemitism
succeeds in forcing the party to hold internal inquiries..

That is to be expected, on two counts..

1. the party takes this seriously enough to need to establish if this is true and root out miscreants.

2. the party is forced into a public display of PR damage limitation
to immediately show sincere willingness to address any alleged problem with said inquiries..

Labour resources and personnel are now tied up in distracting, divisive, time and money wasting, and most probably futile activity...

The sly organized enemies of Corby's Labour Leadership then immediately jump on these inquires as certain proof of anti semitism..

As dirty political tricks go.. this one is so obvious and simple in it's execution... Well done Keith et al... 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 01:42 PM

""Shami Chakrabarti,"
You are telling porkies acgain Keith - she has said that Antisemitism is "a serious issue" - she didn't say it was a serious issue within the Labour Party - nobody hass, nor could they until they ahve had the result of any enquiry they hold.
You are making it up.
Sadiq Khan has not said their is a problem other than the row that has blown up might have affected his election as mayor - as your quote says ""If somebody is saying views that are appalling, disgusting and clearly anti-Semitic, I've got to call it out.", which is quite right - he hasn't said there was a problem; as with Chakrabati. nobody can claim a problem until they have had the result of any enquiry they hold. - you are making it up.
"Former Scottish Labour leader, Jim Murphy" - is an extremist right winger and a member of several pro-Israeli organisations. - you've been told this before, with the links.
Is that it?
As I said, your making it up and why would a pro Israeli extreme right winger do anything else?
Where is your proof?
You live to smear, don't you Irish people - who you accuse of hating Britain (yet, like here, you can't even explain how that hate manifests itself), Irish kids, now Labour tr Party members .
Gawd save us from vitriol-throwing eejits!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 01:18 PM

Pfr,
You mean I am revealed as part of the global conspiracy.
Who betrayed me?

jim,
Where are any of them suggesting that there is a serious problem

The Labour NEC.
"Shami Chakrabarti, who will be chairing a wider ranging inquiry looking at anti-Semitism within the Labour Party. The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue and is committed to addressing all the issues raised by these inquiries. "
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/

Labour Mayor of London.
"Jeremy Corbyn accused of failing to 'call out' Labour antisemitism by Sadiq Khan

He added: "If somebody is saying views that are appalling, disgusting and clearly anti-Semitic, I've got to call it out. The fact that that person happens to be from my party, the fact that the leader of my party is failing to call it out, that's irrelevant. I have to call it out."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-failing-to-call-out-antisemitism-in-labour-sadiq-khan-a7025696.html

Former leader of Scottish Labour Party.

Former Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy accuses Momentum of having, "a problem with antisemitism ."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/only-jewish-candidate-for-labours-ruling-nec-blocked-after-intervention-by-jim-mur
http://labourlist.org/2016/06/momentum-candidate-set-to-pursue-second-nomination-for-nec-after-local-setback/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 12:00 PM

Keith - you know we know what you're up to...


.. y'know..... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 11:37 AM

Where are any of them suggesting that there is a serious problem and, if there is, what is it - how is it manifesting itself?
Sorry Keith - no cigar
That's two threads on which you are making unstanitiated claims which you refuse to qualify - why not open another one and we'll see if we can't get you into the Guinness Book of Records?
Who says there is a serious problem apart from the Pro-Israeli suckholes - what form does that problem take - why has it happened - if an inquiry indicates guilt in advance, doesn't that make Cameron's clowns guilty of Islamophobia.
You have refused to respond to any of these and will continue to do so 'cause that's what you're like.
Lord Levy, labour member of the house of Lords says there's a serious problem.
He was a founding member of the Jewish Leadership Council, the leadership of UK Jewish community. Levy has close ties with Israeli political leaders. His son, Daniel Levy, was active in Israeli political life, and has served as an assistant to the former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and to Knesset member Yossi Beilin. Daniel is now based in the UK and is head of the Middle East Department of the European Council of Foreign Relations. Levy has praised Blair for his "solid and committed support of the State of Israel"[6] and "his commitment to the peace process".
Worth reading this - but you won't, or if you do, you won't answer any of the points it makes.
Doesn't matter - it's not for your benefit
Does Labour have a Problem?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 10:17 AM

Jim,
Where is your evidence that there is a serious problem in the Labout party

Among those I have quoted saying that there is are the newly elected Labour Mayor of London, the former leader of the Scottish Labour Party, and the whole of the Labour Party National Executive Committee.

and where has any prominent Labour leader or body claimed that Anti-Semitism exists in the Party

See above!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 10:10 AM

"Blatant, disgusting lie."
You really don't want me to dig up....... nah - couldn't possibly.

You can not, because it is a blatant and disgusting lie.
I have never even mildly criticised any faith.
You have once again resorted to lying personal attack instead of discussing the issue.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 09:53 AM

The Inequality Report
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 09:25 AM

Here's a great alternative to the truth propagated by bobad the forum cheat and his pathetic ally. Try suggesting that the hundreds of Gaza children who were killed by deliberately-targeted IDF shelling of schools and homes were killed by Israeli aggression. They'll tell you you're lying, that the children were murdered by Hamas. That's the kind of people who think they have the monopoly of opinion on the definition of antisemitism. I must say, bobad, considering how you cheated this forum for so long with your secret multiple identities, you would appear to be the last person here to be lecturing anyone else about "truth."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 09:12 AM

"Israel is a great place to live for Jews and non Jews alike - attested to by the fact that the vast majority of non Jews say that they would rather live in Israel than any other state in the world."

Please provide the date of the referendum, details of the question asked, the turnout percentage and the results statistics. When you've provided the figures for us, we can mull over the fact that most people who are asked whether they'd like to live in the country they were born in, in which they went to school and go to work and in which they have made their homes, and in which their families live, rather than somewhere else...oh, never mind. You wouldn't get it anyway.

Bloody buffoon.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 09:11 AM

And you - go read your own posts
You produced for enormous pages of cut- 'n-pastes on supposed Muslim Crimes, dating back to early Christianity - biggest posing I've ever seen on this forum.
And stop accusing critics of Israel of being Antisemitic - it's Antisemitic.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 08:45 AM

You and your friend have always targeted people Bobad, from claiming them to be potential sexual perverts by way of their religion, through, suggesting that they have no right to their traditional homeland to branding them all as suspect terrorists.

You must dwell in an alternate reality - alternate to the truth - one that you so much want to believe. Best of luck to you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 08:35 AM

""Attacking" a collection of ideas is not attacking those who believe in them"
You and your friend have always targeted people Bobad, from claiming them to be potential sexual perverts by way of their religion, through, suggesting that they have no right to their traditional homeland to branding them all as suspect terrorists.
Happy to join you in a discussion on religion - it seems we might agree on something at last, but please don't try to dodge responsibility for your constant attempts to smear adherents to a selected religion.
It really doesn't hold water with your track records.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 08:00 AM

because it is an evil practice to attack a million British citizens

"Attacking" a collection of ideas is not attacking those who believe in them. When you "attack" Catholicism are you "attacking" millions of Catholics?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 07:22 AM

"And so what even if he had?"
because it is an evil practice to attack a million British citizens - every bit as evil as Asnt--Semitsim, and at the present time a damned sight more dangerous t the British people as a whole - it radiaclises young people to islamism. that's what
"Religions are nothing but a collection of ideas "
And freedom of religion a basic tenet of Western society.
"some devout Muslims believe you should be killed for criticizing it."
The history of all religions is one of violence and persecution - especially in Israel, where they are setting up an Apartheid state based on the prevailing religion there.
You talk about "some Muslims - then go and count the dead victims of Israeli terrorism carried out in the name of Judaism - no contest.
It is now becoming obvious that you have no interest in the welfare of the Jewish People, being as dismissive as you are of their and all religions.
Personally, I couldn't give a toss abot any religion - just the people who are damaged by it.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 06:44 AM

You have led campaigns against the Islam religion on this forum

And so what even if he had? You and others, including your fellow traveler Shaw, have not been reticent in condemning other religions. Religions are nothing but a collection of ideas and as such are open to criticism. What's so special about Islam other than some devout Muslims believe you should be killed for criticizing it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 06:27 AM

"Blatant, disgusting lie."
You really don't want me to dig up....... nah - couldn't possibly.
Stop dodging the question
Where is your evidence that there is a serious problem in the Labout party (apart from right-wingers) and where is your outrage in the inherent and admitted racism in Britain and where has any prominent Labour leader or body claimed that Anti-Semitism exists in the Party .... and all the other facts you have been presented with?
Where is your actual evidence that it is anything other the part of the Israeli billion-dollar propaganda campaign?
Stop diverting us from the main point with protestations of something you are noted for.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 05:16 AM

You have led campaigns against the Islam religion on this forum

Blatant, disgusting lie.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 04:50 AM

Answer the points I have just made Keith - random cut-'n-pastes prove sfa.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 04:43 AM

the quotes you have given come from right wing Labour party people

Bollocks!
They are mainstream, lifelong, dedicated Labour members.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 02:21 AM

"I have mostly used BBC, The Independent and Guardian"
The BBC had admitted that it is heavily biased towards pro-Israeli police - the quotes you have given come from right wing Labour party people who have links to pro Israeli organisations, such as Jim Murphy.
The same goes for the rest of the press.
There is a battle going on at present over control of the Labour Party and Anti-Semitism is as good a stick to use in that battle as any.
There is a billion dollar campaign going on at present to make all critics of Israel Anti-Semites - One Israeli minister has openly made this accusation.
"Shami Chakrabarti,"
Who says Shami Chakrabarti, is "worried?
The Labour Party has been accused of Anti-Semitism - it is only right that this accusation should be investigated and one of the first things to be examined is whether these accusations have any grounding in fact.
So far, two examinations, including the Oxford one, have found Labour not guilty, future enquiries may find the same.
You already have the accused out of his cell and the rope over the branch ready for the lynching - hopefully people like you will not be let a million miles within any fair-minded enquiry.
The Conservative Party is holding an enquiry into possible Islamophobia within its ranks (not before time) - should we all get out our ropes now or should we wait for the verdict.
The Tory party is not only infested with Islamophobia, but much of its policies are based on accusing the Muslim communities of being infiltrated by terrorists – you have made such accusations yourself, without evidence.
You have led campaigns against the Islam religion on this forum – Bobad is now making postings attacking Muslim countries on this thread, as he has regularly in the past
Where is your concerns for the million law-abiding citizens of Britain (rhetorical question – I know exactly where it is?)
Anti-immigration, and anti-refugeeism is rife in Britain and has created a new political party in Britain, started by a beer-swilling Donald Trump sound-alike.
I once claimed that, based on my experience of living in three major cities, I believe Britain to be a deeply racist country – you leapt on your chair and accused me of being a racist for doing so.
It transpires that a survey suggests that one in three of the British population admit to being racist - beats the tiny number of Labourites who have chosen their words badly and might – just might - hold Anti-Semitic views into a cocked hat.

CONFESSED RACISM IN BRITAIN

The Israeli shit-machine spends billions claiming that all criticism of Israeli policy is Anti-Semitic – you are first in the field with your banner flying to support them.
Where is your outrage for the millions of who suffer Anti-Muslim abuse daily?
Where is your outrage for the many millions on non-indigenous citizens of Britain who experience prejudice on a daily basis, both from the ordinary people of Britain and from its institutions?
Where was your thread when Britain's police force declared itself institutionally racist?
Do you personally have any evidence of Anti Semitism or are you happy to take the word of Pro-Israeli organisations and extreme right-wingers trying to oust the present Labour Leadership (what a stupid question Jim, go into the dunce's corner!!)
Your 'concern' over Anti Semitism isn't based on an interest in humanity, in the welfare of The Jewish people as a whole – your concern is based entirely on your ongoing support of Israeli right-wing terrorism which you claim doesn't exist because politicians don't say it does – not even because they actually speak ot in defence of Israel – the vast majority of them noticeably don't – you bizarrely interpret silence as support.
Do you actually have any evidence that Anti-Semitism is any more a problem in the Labour Party than it is in any other political group or in British society in general – of course you don't, because no such evidence exists.
Do you have any explanation as to why a political party historically dedicated to fighting all forms of racism, particularly Anti Semitism, should overnight do a flip and become Anti Semitic?
You have opened this thread because you have chosen to make yourself part of the current campaign by Israel to absolve itself from crimes against humanity by making such claims "Anti-Semitic.
"Comparing Israel to Nazis is anti-Semitic"
"Accusing the Jewish people as a whole of Israel's crimes against humanity is Anti-Semitic by definition.
You have done so on a regular basis - nobody else here has ever suggested that "The Jews did it", other than you 11.
Leading members of the Israeli establishment are now comparing the actions of the extremist establishment to Pre War Germany - are they "Anti-Semites?
You people have torn up the definition book and accused us of Anti-Semitism - there are no longer any rules as far as I am concerned.
Anybody who accuses the Jewish people of the crimes committed by the right-wing government in Israel is, in my (and the rule book) an Anti-Semite - if you accuse us critics of Israel of being Anti-Semitic, that makes you, by definition, a Jew Hater.
Don't do it again, I really am not happy in the presence of such people - I was alive when Jew haters filled extermination ovens.
Jim Carroll.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 08:36 PM

Bobad - ..but there are wealthy 'fortress communities' popping up all over the place where the inhabitants would say something similar...

Even in my provincial west country town property developers bought a large area of land in the best location,
and built an exclusive gated community for affluent newcomers...

Of course they probably don't give a shit about the rest of us outside their walls...??? 🙄



[mudcat problems effing up posts again - I thought this one got through ok 10 mins ago..??]

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 08:32 PM

Hmm......now after seeing this I'm not so sure, maybe Gaza is the great place to live: Hundreds of Heterosexuals Executed During Tel Aviv's Gay Pride Week

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 08:14 PM

Israel should have been a great place to live

Israel is a great place to live for Jews and non Jews alike - attested to by the fact that the vast majority of non Jews say that they would rather live in Israel than any other state in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 08:07 PM

bobad - Because I'm a covert musl;m terr@rist pretending to be an English humanist who is 1/4 Polish Jew by blood...

...there you go.. that's the answer you want.. have that one free on me,
it is the weekend after all, and a very sunny one at that....

Now back to reality...

Israel should have been a great place to live,
brutal murderous mad arseholes on both sides are ensuring it is not..

Wicked blood for blood, eye for an eye, tit for tat, revenge war of attrition is exactly what the sociopath warmongers on both sides thrive on..

But it is a completely shit lifestyle for civilian populations...

Bob 'n' keith, you both strike me as personality types that could never be satisfied by peaceful solutions...????? 😣

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 07:35 PM

ultra right wing terror

Well there you go. The only "ultra right wing terror" most Jews in Israel see is that of Arab fanatics trying to murder them by stabbing, shooting and running them down with vehicles or launching rockets at civilians and building tunnels with which to infiltrate the country and murder them. But this doesn't seem to be of concern to you......I wonder why........hmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 06:42 PM

... unless one was a sane moderate tolerant Israeli Jew sick of the climate of ultra right wing terror gripping my nation's government......????

..that one sound about right to me...


btw.. had to look up "calumny".. don't see that one every day this century... 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 06:28 PM

Why would any nation feel it would need to try to ban the rest of the world from ever comparing it to n@zi Germany...???

...unless.....??????

Why would anyone ever want to propagate such a hurtful calumny on a nation being fully aware of it's history.........unless..........??????

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 11:47 AM

.. and another morsel of sunny weekend fast food for thought...

At this point in the 21st Century, are ultra right wing Jews and ultra right wing Christians..

'innately' antagonistic sparring partners ?

'uneasy' expedient allies ?

'happily married' bedfellows ?



... what with all that "the enemy of my enemy is my best mate" international political chicanery.....????? 😕