Jesus was a community organizer!

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: seeking_truth
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:30 AM

Hey Big Mick, why the animosity?
You said,"we are going to pass the Free Choice Act which restores the balance to the laws governing workers organizing unions. Once the system has the fairness restored, we will see how obsolete we are."

I'm all for balance but fairness is what is fair to all. Do you claim to be able to do that for all Americans? If so, I will write your name on the ballot. Wait, are we allowed to do that in this society? Ain't that something? And we aren't even socialists.

As far as you being a community activist, God bless you but as a Christian I say to you don't claim Jesus was just a community organizer unless you are an atheist. To do so would make Obama His equal on some level which is beyond rediculous.

Why is it that Liberals (not Democrats) get so angry when they feel they're not getting their way?

In closing, I say that Hillary Clinton is the statesman and Obama is immature and not-ready-for-primetime.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 03:01 AM

"I should have made it clear- that document is ver batim"

Silly me, I though it was ver boten.... :-P

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:17 PM

Fooles, I should have made it clear- that document is ver batim. I don't know who composed it although I suspect it was Joe Vogler himself. The crusty old guy was always pretty full of himself.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:22 PM

It's hard to talk with your mouth closed!

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:57 PM

"To oppose the borrowing of money by government for any purpose other than for capitol improvements. "

That is - for painting The White House?

Ah - you meant CAPITAL!...

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:49 PM

Close your mouth, Rig- you're drooling. *g*
More than 5% of Alaskans


ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE PARTY PLATFORM
Preamble

The Alaskan Independence Party is dedicated to ultimate independence of Alaska and its people by peaceful and lawful means under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people. We seek the vote we were entitled to in 1958... Three choices... to remain a state, to accept Commonwealth status, or to become a separate and indepent nation. This was due us as a non-self-governing territory of the United States, just like Puerto Rico.

We pledge to exert our best efforts to accomplish the following:
- To effect full compliance with the constitutions of the United
States of America and the State of Alaska and to enforce the provisions of the Statehood compact against the colonial bureaucrats in Washington D.C.
- To promote the confidence and pride of all Alaskans in fulfillment of the basic human rights of all peoples to self-determination and control of their lives, liberties and natural resources.
- To prohibit all regulations and rulings purporting to have the
effect of law except that which shall be passed by the elected
legislature.
- To support the right of the individual to keep and bear arms.
- To provide for the popular election of the Attorney General, all
judges and magistrates.
- To foster a Constitutional amendment abolishing and prohibiting
all property taxes.
- To re-establish the right of all Alaskan residents to entry upon
all federal, state and borough lands under customary homestead,
homesite and mineral location regulations and to recieve surface and
sub-surface patent with minimal reservation of oil and gas royalities to the state.
- To affirm that all political power is inherent in the people; that all government originates with the people, is founded upon their will only, and is instituted solely for the good of the people as a whole.
- To affirm and assert every possible right-of-way established under RS2477 status of July 26, 1866, before its' repeal by the Federal Land Management Policy Act of October 21, 1976.
- To seek complete "disposal" of the public lands held by the federal government to the state and the people of Alaska except for enumerated constitutional purposes.
- To provide for the development of a statewide surface transportation system.
- To require the Alaska State legislature to repeal the states'
"General Consent Law" which allows the federal government to "take"
land without the consent of the legislature.
- To effect that the people control the legislature and its' actions by requiring an effective clause upon all legislation passed, to wit "This act shall become effective if and when it's ratified by the voters
at the next election."
- To call and convene a State Constitutional Convention.
- To support any action to defend and enforce those rights granted to the State of Alaska by the "Alaska Statehood Compact," and those rights, collectively known as "States Rights," as guaranteed by the Constitution of the Untied States of America.
- To support privatization of all government services to the fullest extent possible.
- To support the free-enterprise system and the rights of the
individual citizen to own the land and minerals, to create wealth, to hire people and to buy and sell products and services of their choice.
- To oppose the borrowing of money by government for any purpose other than for capitol improvements.
- To support the wise and responsible use of our natural resources in order to promote and achieve a solid sustainable economy.
- To support "Jobs for Alaskans... First!"


Adopted in statewide convention February 16, 1992


Joseph E. Vogler, Chairman
PO Box 40
Fairbanks, Alaska 99707

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:49 PM

I hereby disassociate myself from this thread!

Art

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:02 AM

No, God isn't an American. He just blesses Americans. Exclusively. No other citizens of any other country are eligible for God's blessings. We Americans get 'em all. The rest of you are screwed. In fact, they're seriously considering changing the lyrics of that song to "God bless America, and screw everyone else."

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:43 AM

Not only is God an American; Jesus spoke English, as did Moses, David, Joseph, Abraham and every author of Judeo-Christian scripture. Ask any American fundamentalist!

The Bible that they revere as the literal, word-for-word Word of God is the King James Version. Try explaining to these freaks that all the English-language Bibles are the product of multiple and successive translations from ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, etc. ~ they'll denounce you as a heretic and, worse yet, as a "liberal."

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:00 AM

"God .... isn't he an American??"

He THINKS He is....

:-P

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 05:54 AM

Jeeez!...Trying to fit God into your little, small minded political boxes....Let's see, what political party was Jesus endorsing??
" Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees(religious community) and of Ceasar(political community)"--Jesus
I think he was talking about something a little higher, than these threads, and some of your minds are grasping!

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 07:38 PM

God .... isn't he an American??

biLL :)

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 07:33 PM

There is nothing a Democrat can have done, no matter how noble, selfless or brave, that a Republican cannot somehow twist into an act of near treason.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: GUEST,sinky
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 07:21 PM

jesus was a true communist,total equality.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 06:55 PM

"...what happened to God?"


             Who?

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 06:49 PM

What passes for subversive today is getting MORE strident and puinishable by arrest and detention, and they have the extra secret police to do it.

I blame FOX for the 24/7 video of the confrontational screaming style of 'debate'.

Country first, people and communities last? what happened to God?
The police are making PRE EMPTIVE MASS RAIDS against journalists and groups like eye witness?

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/swat1.jpg

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 06:38 PM

"Palin's husband is also, or at least was"

... he is a card carrying member of the United Steel Workers.

Anti establishment rants (sometimes these rants are what make the positive changes to society) .... anyway, have you any examples of these rants ... I'm sure if they were on par to the McVicar bunch the media would be all over it.

jesus did get himself into a lot of trouble with the paranoid fanatics ..... deep doodoo indeed ... I'd say he was a card carrying member of the carpenter's guild and a community activist .... definitely not a lawyer who was a community organizer.


biLL   :)

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 06:11 PM

Oh, go soak yer head, Rig.... ;-)

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 04:13 PM

"Jesus was a community organizer!"


                   And look at all the trouble that caused!

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: PoppaGator
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 03:25 PM

Palin's husband is also, or at least was, a "card-carrying" member of the Alaska Independance Party, a group that supports rejection of statehood and seccesion from the USA.

This group's anti-establishment rants include quotes every bit as incendiary, if not moreso, than anything ever written or spoken by Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

This bunch is not all that far removed from the Timothy McVey school of political thought.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 02:49 PM

Hey ..... Palin's husband is a card carrying member of the United Steel Worker's Union of a America and a fisherman to boot.

Whew ... kinda grassroots stuff from the new testament I'd say.

Wow.. now if sh'e president and he's the first guy of the white house it sure would be more intersting and 'salt of the earth' than jacquie O, or the 2 Missus Bush's or Nancy Reagan.

but then again ... wasn't Reagan an elected head of a union??

"and what has management ever done"

biLL

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 12:35 PM

More on the topic from John Prine

Jesus.... the missing years

It was raining. it was cold
West bethlehem was no place for a twelve year old
So he packed his bags and he headed out
To find out what the worlds about
He went to france. he went to spain
He found love. he found pain.
He found stores so he started to shop
But he had no money so he got in trouble with a cop
Kids in trouble with the cops
From israel didnt have no home
So he cut his hair and moved to rome
It was there he met his irish bride
And they rented a flat on the lower east side of rome...
Italy that is
Music publishers, book binders, Bible belters, money changers,
Spoon benders and lots of pretty italian chicks.

Chorus:
Charley bought some popcorn
Billy bought a car
Someone almost bought the farm
But they didnt go that far
Things shut down at midnight
At least around here they do
Cause we all reside down the block
Inside at ....23 skidoo.

Wine was flowing so were beers
So jesus found his missing years
So he went to a dance and said this dont move me
He hiked up his pants and he went to a movie
On his thirteenth birthday he saw rebel without a cause
He went straight on home and invented santa claus
Who gave him a gift and he responded in kind
He gave the gift of love and went out of his mind
You see him and the wife wasnt getting along
So he took out his guitar and he wrote a song
Called the dove of love fell off the perch
But he couldnt get divorced in the catholic church
At least not back then anyhow
Jesus was a good guy he didnt need this shit
So he took a pill with a bag of peanuts and
A coca-cola and he swallowed it.
He discovered the beatles
And he recorded with the stones
Once he even opened up a three-way package
In southern california for old george jones

Repeat chorus:

The years went by like sweet little days
With babies crying pork chops and beaujolais
When he woke up he was seventeen
The world was angry. the world was mean.
Why the man down the street and the kid on the stoop
All agreed that life stank. all the world smelled like poop
Baby poop that is ..the worst kind
So he grew his hair long and thew away his comb
And headed back to jerusalem to find mom, dad and home
But when he got there the cupboard was bare
Except for an old black man with a fishing rod
He said whatcha gonna be when you grow up?
Jesus said god
Oh my god, what have I gotten myself into?
Im a human corkscrew and all my wine is blood
Theyre gonna kill me mama. they dont like me bud.
So jesus went to heaven and he went there awful quick
All them people killed him and he wasnt even sick
So come and gather around me my contemporary peers
And Ill tell you all the story of
Jesus...the missing years

Repeat chorus:

We all reside down the block
Inside at ....23 skidoo

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 12:19 PM

Pete Seeger - Talking Union

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 12:18 PM

Subject: BS: Jesus Christ Politics
From: Donuel - PM
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 03:22 PM

This idea came to mind the other day so I illustrated it.


http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/PalinPilot.jpg

(are my posts blocked?)

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/PalinPilot.jpg

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: kendall
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 12:10 PM

Right to work? another meaningless phrase. No one has ever been denied the right to work. Granted the union workers have probably pressured the scabs to join and pay their fair share, but denied the right to work? Explain.

Like it or not Doug, the unions created the middle class. They also gave us the weekend, minimum wage, child labor laws, the right to strike and pensions when a worker is used up.
What has management ever done?
Do you really want to go back to the dark ages?

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 11:03 AM

Arguments as to what is more significant ... a mayor or a community organizer .... only in present day Amerika, or maybe post war Italy.

biLL

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 10:47 AM

Real issues are more important:


OBAMA: I mean, this is — this should not be complicated. Here's what it comes down to. Under George Bush's stewardship, with an assist from John McCain and the rest of the Republican Party, the economy is weaker now than it has been in a very long time. Unemployment is higher. Poverty is higher. More people are uninsured. Wages and incomes have flat-lined. Middle class folks who used to feel secure now feel unstable. We've got more homes being lost to foreclosure than at any time since the Great Depression.



And John McCain does not have any discernible difference from George Bush when it comes to economic policy. He's got the same economic policy. So if you like what has happened under George Bush's presidency, you should vote for John McCain. If you think that we have to move this country in a fundamentally different direction, then you should vote for me. And that is going to be the case that we make throughout this election, and frankly, that's not the conversation that the McCain campaign wants to have.



Rick Davis was very explicit. John McCain's campaign manager said this campaign is not going to be about the issues. That was his assertion. Well, I think that the American people expect it to be about the issues. They deserve it to be about the issues. That's what we're going to keep on pressing in the weeks that will remain.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: John Hardly
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 10:44 AM

What is "demeaning" is that mayoral experience was laughed at as executive experience.

Fine. You don't think mayoring is executive experience.

And so Palin is merely pointing out your inconsistancy -- you laugh at mayoral experience but accept "Community Organizer" experience. I think that mayoral experience is more meaningful than "community organizer" experience. You think that "community organizer" experience is more meaningful.

Here's the difference:

I'd bet you a million bucks that if Palin had been the "community organizer" and Obama the mayor, you'd be flipping your assessment.

I would not.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: John Hardly
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 10:43 AM

What is "demeaning" is that it was laughed at as executive experience.

Fine. You don't think it's executive experience.

And so Palin is merely pointing out your inconsistancy -- you laugh at mayoral experience but accept "Community Organizer" experience. I think that mayoral experience is more meaningful that "community organizer" experience. You think that "community organizer" experience is more meaningful.

Here's the difference:

I'd bet you a million bucks that if Palin had been the "community organizer" and Obama the mayor, you'd be flipping your assessment.

I would not.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: PoppaGator
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 10:33 AM

"..."Mayor" was demeaned. Over and over and over again. All weekend."

Give me a break. What's so "demeaning" about questioning the choice of a individual whose background includes less than two years as governor of a state whose total population is less than that of metropolitan New Orleans (even the diminished post-Katrina population), preceded by service as mayor of a very small town (with a very large Washington-lobbyist budget)?

When the GOP trotted out the argument that Palin was an experienced military commender as ex-officio commander-in-chief of the Alaska National Guard, CNN's Campbell Brown had the temerity to ask if a single example could be provided of a decision, any decision, that she has made in her capacity as Guard CIC. Of course, no satisfactory answer was forthcoming, and the GOP reacted by taking offense, complaining loudly and selfrighteously about such "unfair" questioning, and using the incident as an excuse to continue hiding Palin from the press and shielding her from any questioning at all.

John McCain, if elected, is at least as likely as any other President to die before his term expires, and probably a little moreso than most. Sarah Palin would then become President of the US and (pardon the cliche) "leader of the free world." If she can't handle the likes of Campbell Brown, how in the hell is she going to deal with, say, Vladimir Putin?

****************************************

Among other things, a community organizer helps individual citizens fight through government red tape to fight for their rights, such as unemployment compensation, equal access to housing, disability benefits, etc. A politician whose experience includes such work would seem to have knowledge of dealing with government from the outside as well as from the inside, which to me would seem to be a good thing.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: John Hardly
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 09:57 AM

Jesus was not a community organizer.

"Community Organizer" was NOT demeaned during the Republican Convention. What happened was that in the weekend leading up to the convention, "Mayor" was demeaned. Over and over and over again. All weekend.

Following the demeaning of Palin's mayoral experience, Palin chose to respond by comparing her experience as mayor to that of Obama's as a "community organizer". The only "demeaning" was to point out that "community organizer" is quite possibly less of a resume enhancer for an executive position, especially in light of the following:

I don't know what in the hell a "Community Organizer" even is -- and I'm guessing that I'm not alone in this -- I'm guessing that if you asked 1,000 Americans what a "Community Organizer" is, 999 of them would, like me, not be able to give you the vaguest answer. But we could tell you what a mayor is.

Is a "Community Organizer" a paid position?

If so, who hires a "Commuinty Organizer"?

If not, is it a political position?

If so, is it voted on (like the school board) or is it a political appointment (like, by the mayor or governor or some such)?

I mean, really, the notion that "Community Organizer" was trashed as a resume enhancer to any degree approaching the trashing of Palin's mayoral experience, I don't even blame Palin if the retort came across a bit snarky.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 08:49 AM

I thought he was a carpenter .... not a lawyer.

biLL

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 03:18 AM

From: Art Thieme
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 03:49 PM

...and Pilate weas a governer!!

This came to me via Paul Stamler in St. Louis.

Art Thieme

A big difference is that Pilate, in the face of losing his job, gave into the crowd...the rest is history...

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 03:13 AM

A kindergarten teacher could be called a community organizer...while the child in her class can raise his hand, and say 'present' 143 times in a semester, as well....sorta like a senator that claims to have been such an active member.... but we love it that way....

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 03:02 AM

I think Jesus had a 'little' more going for him, don't you????
Was also known for his accomplishments, too....

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 02:38 AM

There would only be balance in "right to work" laws if it were only union members who received the benefits obtained by unions for workers.

EG unions negotiate or coerce a pay rise: non union workers do not get it.

As it stands, non-union workers are freeloaders who take the benefits unions have won (for example in the US car industry, health coverage) but neither pay union dues nor support the union. Parasites.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 12:25 AM

Thanks for that, Q. I have the 1972 album, in storage. Nice to know I remembered correctly.:-)

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 12:22 AM

Album, "Jesus was a Capricorn," 1972, Kris Kristopherson, composer.
Prine may have given him the idea; but 'owed' doesn't appear until K. Ks album of 1993, where K. K. is still credited.

Subject: LYR ADD: Jesus was a Capricorn
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Sep 08 - 12:08 AM

Don't tell that to Kris Kristofferson, Q:

Jesus was a Capricorn, he ate organic foods.
He believed in love and peace and never wore no shoes.
Long hair, beard and sandals and a funky bunch of friends.
Reckon they'd just nail him up if He come down again.

'Cos everybody's got to have somebody to look down on.
Who they can feel better than at anytime they please.
Someone doin' somethin' dirty, decent folks can frown on.
If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me.

Get back, John!

Egg Head's cousin Red Neck's cussin' hippies for their hair.
Others laugh at straights who laugh at freaks who laugh at squares.
Some folks hate the whites who hate the blacks who hate the clan.
Most of us hate anything that we don't understand.

'Cos everybody's got to have somebody to look down on.
Who they can feel better than at anytime they please.
Someone doin' somethin' dirty, decent folks can frown on.
If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me.

Help yourself, brother.
Help yourself, Gentlemen.
Help yourself Reverend.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anyone know if John Prine wrote that? I'd always thought Kristofferson wrote it and never have seen reference to Prine until now. Now, all of the lyrics sites have "(Owed to John Prine") posted with the lyrics.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 11:31 PM

Chongo is also a community organizer. He works in a 2-story, walk-up office where he sleeps on the couch. He rubs elbows with the common people and he only owns 2 pairs of shoes. Beat that.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 11:30 PM

Capricorn? Nonsense. No one knows the date of birth. Various writings place it between 8 BC and the Quirinius census of 6 AD.

See Wikipedia, Encyc. Britannica, etc.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 11:13 PM

Jesus was a Capicorn. So was Clara Barton, who founded the Red Cross, exemplifying self-sacrifice and community organization.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 10:57 PM

Art, thanks, I got it!

Besides, when we knock off McCain/Barracuda, we are going to pass the Free Choice Act which restores the balance to the laws governing workers organizing unions.

More power to you all, Mick!

I know I have recommended this book before, but I will, again. It is The Alleluia Affair by Malcolm Boyd. It is a simple, but very profound, small book. You can read it in an hour or two. In it, every Jesus on crosses and stained glass windows throughout the world come alive and down off of their crosses to walk among humankind. What they encounter saddens each one, yet by the end of the book, there is a strong message of hope. I am not telling it very well. Here's what is on his website:

The Alleluia Affair (Word Books, 1975)
Jesus figures around the world come down off church crosses and leap out of stained-glass windows. But –do the crosses remain empty? The National Catholic Reporter said: "Poignant, lovely, sincerely optimistic."

For his current take on separation of church and state, please click here. Art, I think you will find much of what he writes, in this article and elsewhere on his website, interesting.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: fumblefingers
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 08:16 PM

Did he work for ACCORN and organize voter registration drives in cemeteries?

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 07:58 PM

Doug R, my position is one of tolerance for unions as long as they do not violate the rights of workers not to join a union.
I strongly support the Texas Right to Work provisions under the Texas Labor Code; workers cannot be forced to join or pay fees to a union. Oklahoma, another state where I have worked, has the right to work laws in their constitution, also the case in Arizona and, I believe, Florida.

In Canada, the system is different; workers may be organized, but by Court decisions are protected from fines or harassment by unions. They may not be forced to join strikers. Saskatchewan is the exception; it is union-friendly and violates the UN Article 20.2 which declares "No one may be compelled to belong to an association." The Supreme Court of Canada, in the Advance C and C case, 2001, declared that Canadians have a freedom from forced association, including forced union membership. More cases in defence of workers freedoms are gearing up. National Post, "No right to fine," Mortimer, Nov. 6, 2007.

http://www.labourwatch.com/forms/no_right_to_fine.pdf

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 07:11 PM

Amos....'uppity' from YOU? I expected better. Yer all mad.

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 07:09 PM

There is absolutely no intention on my part to equate Obama and Jesus---other than to say that both MEN use logic and their reported words to organize people.

Those who know me realize that I don't think supernatural entities like a god or it's son have any role in these doings. As people, it is ours to do or die. To the extent that the fantasy of our beliefs precipitates our actions, we ALL still must live or die with the consequences.

Art

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 06:56 PM

The entire reason I started this thread is to highlight the total inanity and cluelessness exhibited in St. Paul by Republicans when they blatantly demeaned community organizers and what they do and accomplish. Their pointing to Ms Palin, the Governor, as a preferable alternative, makes me want to roll my eyes and invoke the proverbial "consider the source" dismissive comeback. The "Obama-Palin" to "Jesus-Pilate" analogy implied in the thread title seemed pretty obvious to me. But maybe not.

The Republicans public laughter, snickering, disdain, and derision aimed at these people ----- folks like Si Kahn, Bruce Phillips, Cathy Fink, Guy Carawan, Mother Jones, M.L.King, Jane Adams, Caesar Chavez, Jesus and so many others who showed disparate people who felt powerless that they do have a way to empower themselves by organizing; well, what we all saw was a vivid example of the stark differences dividing the Democrats' Social thought and programs and the GOP land-grab shoot-to-kill first morality tactics of the last 8 years.

I'm tired, and I do hope I got this right.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Amos
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 06:38 PM

Obama is not only "trouble". he is also "uppity". Risky rep to have, even today...

A

Subject: RE: Jesus was a community organizer!
From: Alice
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 06:34 PM

More, Matthews description was trouble maker who goes into the urban neighborhoods and stirs things up to make trouble. I'm getting really sick of this campaign and the meanness.