BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 May 16 - 08:10 PM

bobad - If I was obsessed with proving that dogs were dangerous and hated humans;
and persistently provided links to anti-dog articles that were all so obviously written by fanatical extremist cat lovers...

You might start thinking that I was not exactly objective, reliable, or sensible.... 🐶 🐱

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 31 May 16 - 07:06 PM

the arch-Islamophobe

To the regressive left anyone who opposes radical Islamists is an Islamophobe (whatever that is). You give yourself away. Tell me, are Jeremy's friends your friends too?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 31 May 16 - 06:42 PM

Ha, ha I'm loving it......Pavlov was right.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 16 - 05:25 PM

Ah yes, Daniel Pipes, the arch-Islamophobe whose zany notions alienate even his potential pro-Israel allies. The wiki article on him makes for an entertaining and highly amusing read. Keep 'em coming, bobad! Oh no, there goes my corset again. Is the corset shop still open? 😅😅😅

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 16 - 05:14 PM

As soon as I clicked on the link I got an ad trying to sell me an iPhone. There was no way of getting rid of it from the screen except by turning off the iPad. And that's the truth. Yiu know damn well I follow your links - it's so much fun telling you what a bunch of complete, brainless twats you call up in your defence. 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 31 May 16 - 04:53 PM

DONT CLICK ON BOBAD'S LINK. It's full of malware.

No malware whatsoever - methinks Shaw is afraid is afraid of truth.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 31 May 16 - 04:49 PM

The Left. vs. Israel

Since the creation of Israel, Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims have been the mainstay of anti-Zionism, with the Left, from the Soviet Union to professors of literature, their auxiliary. But this might be in process of change: as Muslims slowly, grudgingly, and unevenly come to accept the Jewish state as a reality, the Left is becoming increasingly vociferous and obsessive in its rejection of Israel.

Daniel Pipes: Middle East Forum

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 16 - 03:30 PM

If you haven't already done so, DONT CLICK ON BOBAD'S LINK. It's full of malware. The bloke who does that and who has operated secretly under two identities here has the bloody cheek to burble on about anyone else's "moral compass." Nice.

Suffice to say that Nick Cohen is yet another typical bobad ally. Barking mad, doesn't know left from right, hears about some "leftie" or other saying something disagreeable then tars anyone left of Attila The Hun with the same brush. Daft.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 31 May 16 - 03:12 PM

Labour, under Corbyn, has lost its moral compass

Corbyn worked as a presenter for Iranian state television. In other words, he was a willing propagandist of a regime that executes homosexuals, imprisons trade unionists and persecutes religious and ethnic minorities. This would have once disqualified him from membership of 'the Left'. Now he represents the 'moral' Left.

Corbyn makes excuses for the avowedly orthodox- conservative, privately kleptomaniac and demonstrably imperialist Putin regime Once support for Putin's combination of faith, fraud and force would have been anathema to the left. Now it is the 'moral' left.

Corbyn defends the most grotesque anti-Semites: fantasists, who believed Jews eat Christian children, and were the diabolical power behind 9/11, the slave trade and every other catastrophe   Once this attempt to destroy Labour's reputation for anti-fascism and anti-racism would have disqualified Corbyn from the left. Now eminent Oxbridge leftists hail such 'moral clarity' as the future of the left.

If it is, it is not a future any moral person should want any part of, however much money they earn.

Nick Cohen:The Spectator

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 16 - 01:12 PM

The Israeli Labor Party is not a left-wing party. It is a Zionist organisation that has been in bed with all manner of allies out of expedience, including Likud. It holds strongly to the notion of the Jewish state and is firmly in bed with the US, revelling in the massive military subsidy that the US provides. "Sister party" is pushing it. Its allies in the UK Labour Party are the Labour Friends Of Israel, not the worst of similar bunches but still a powerful pro-Israel lobby group. If you want the views of real leftie Jews, look elsewhere. The Jewish Labour Movement has the following stated aim:

"We view Zionism as the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. Its aim is to promote "a secure, progressive, just and successful State of Israel" and believe in a two state solution."

Well that isn't exactly my idea of a left-wing movement. Lefties are Internationalists. I see no mention of Israeli Arabs, or the Palestinians, in those aims, and the mention of the now-impossible two-state solution, thanks to land thefts and settlement building, is just a piece of cynical lip-service.

And I note that you continue to adhere to the dishonest partial quoting of what Jackie Walker said. I've already explained to you why it was no slur and not antisemitic.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 May 16 - 12:39 PM

Stephen Pollard is an exremist right wing politician who adopts an "Antisemites-under-the-bed'

Ok, so what do left wing Jews say?

"The Jewish Labour Movement (JLM), a formal affiliate, hit out after Jackie Walker was reinstated to the party after saying Jews were the "chief financiers of the slave trade".

The JLM told PoliticsHome: "Walker repeated an anti-Semitic slur. She showed no contrition.

Fresh Labour anti-Semitism row after leading activist re-instated to party
Labour warned anti-Semitism probe must not be 'whitewash'
"The outcome of this process shows, once again, that the political rhetoric of zero tolerance on anti-Semitism is not matched by action. This is why we are proposing changes to party rules."

The group is seeking to change Labour's rules to make it easier to expel and ban members for life if they are found guilty of anti-Semitism."
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/75537/exclusive-jewish-labour-movement-hits-out-over

And the Israeli Labour Party,

"Jeremy Corbyn faced fresh criticism over his handling of antisemitism allegations after Labour's sister party in Israel said it had had no reply to a letter its leader sent to him a month ago expressing dismay and inviting him to Jerusalem to see the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum.

Labour MPs said they were shocked that no response had apparently been sent and added that it was further evidence of the party leadership's slow and inadequate response to the crisis."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/jeremy-corbyn-failed-reply-israel-left-antisemitism-ken-livingstone

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 16 - 10:08 AM

He's barking. You can bet your life that anyone bobad invokes will be as mad as a box of frogs, like that military nutter mysogynist he dug up the other day. Put it down to the mark of desperation. The Telegraph was the mild bit! 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 May 16 - 09:26 AM

.. and I've just googled the wiki for Pollard...

Oh dear.. on this superficial summary, he does sound a bit of a blatant hostile Labour Party hating right wing arsehole.... 😠

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 May 16 - 09:15 AM

... and it's The Telegraph... 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 16 - 09:15 AM

Once and for all, Keith, the criteria are NOT official EU policy. The working group is a sort of EU quango and does not formulate EU official policy. That's their website, not the "EU website," which, oddly (or not), you have so far failed to invoke. The amusing thing is that you know all this and are carrying it on just to save your face. As an aside, just look at the "advisory bodies" of your quango. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 May 16 - 09:13 AM

Stephen Pollard is an exremist right wing politician who adopts an "Antisemites-under-the-bed' approach to Israel, including attacks on the press who, he claims 'does not defend Israel enough.
He is the editor of The Jewish Chronicle which is " "a firm and influential champion of Zionism"
When the paper recieved compaints about it carrying an advert for Gaza Relief Aid, it stated that it was a staunch supporter of Operation Protective Edge
"Pollard proceeds to accuse 'many liberals and others on the European left' of 'making common cause with radical Islam and then brazenly and bizarrely denying both the existence of that alliance and in fact the existence of any Islamist threat whatever'.[8] He acknowledges that he finds "Surrender" 'at times, hard going', but this is only in part 'because of the level of detail Bawer offers in support of his argument' and because 'Bawer is unquestionably correct, and that fact is quite simply ­terrifying'.[9]"
On his blog, Pollard disparages both the NHS[10] and the Royal Mail[11], and speaks approvingly of private alternatives. After accusing the Guardian and other British critics of ignorance about the US healthcare system, Pollard writes:
The plain fact is that if you have a serious disease or need long term care, if you have the right coverage you are so much better off being treated in the US that the NHS is not even comparable.
Stephen Pollard
Once again, the opinions of an extreme right-wing, pro Israeli activist is being used to show that the Labour Party is riddled with Anti-Semites.
No wonder this pair want to make Israel a no-go area in this discussion
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 16 - 09:06 AM

Yes, bobad, you "forgot" to mention that Pollard is the editor of the Jewish Chronicle. And a madman to boot. I should think that even Keith would struggle to take him on board. You're pretty desperate, aren't you? 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 31 May 16 - 08:34 AM

For months now, week by week, examples have been emerging of cut and dried anti-Semitism – most dressed up, oh so cleverly, as anti-Zionism, but much not even bothering to hide it. And the Labour leader's response to the criticism that he is soft on anti-Semitism and that it's his political mindset that has fuelled its rise is not to get hard on anti-Semitism. It's to get irritated.

This is not some academic exercise or interesting political theory. This is reality – the reality that the Labour Party is now run by a cadre for whom anti-Semitism really is ok, so long as it is dressed up as anti-Zionism. Because Zionism is the enemy of all good people.

Stephen Pollard: The Left's hatred of Jews chills me to the bone

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 May 16 - 06:24 AM

and you're obsessed with bringing them back from the dead

Not dead Steve.
Still there.
Still current and adopted even beyond the EU.
Some individuals may have rejected them for their own reasons and agendas, but here they are upheld by the European Parliament Working Group On Anti-Semitism .
http://www.antisem.eu/projects/eumc-working-definition-of-antisemitism/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 16 - 05:38 AM

Well those unratified criteria are full of references to Israel, and you're obsessed with bringing them back from the dead (in order to save face, of course). As you've now mentioned them umpteen times yourself, mostly trying to tell us lies about them, I'd say that makes you a pot calling a kettle black when you accuse "us people" of being obsessed with Israel. Incidentally, as you want such a sweeping definition of antisemitism, you know, the one that attempts to prevent valid criticism of Israel, how can this possibly NOT be about Israel!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 May 16 - 04:37 AM

Steve,
You see, you and Keith just LOVE those rejected EUMC criteria,

You mean the ones that are still on the EU website after eleven years?
Obviously some people reject them, but there they still are.

And this really is not about Israel.
You people are obsessed.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 16 - 07:30 PM

"I'd walk a million miles for one of your smiles..."

Asa Yoelson - a man with a very complex sense of cultural identity...

.. complicated unruly old world innit..not so easy to pin down with one dimensional authoritarian legalistic definitions..... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 16 - 07:09 PM

Galloway is not "my man" and never has been. Naz Shah did not mention Jews. She mentioned Israel, which is one quarter Arab and three-quarters Jewish. Her sentiment was that the state of Israel has been a confounded nuisance in the Middle East for decades, and she made a whimsical suggestion that it could be moved to its puppet, the USA. Whimsical means not serious, something that can't come about, pie in the sky. It was a bloody idiotic thing to say, a divisive remark made with no regard as to outcome. But it was not antisemitic because she referred to the state of Israel, not to Jews. I don't expect you and Keith to see the difference. You don't want there to be a difference, because you want a definition of antisemitism that is so broad that it disallows any criticism whatsoever of the state of Israel. Not once in any post of yours, either as bobad or as that dishonest, trolling, cowardly anonymous Guest, have you ever accepted the slightest criticism of Israeli actions. If I were to mention that an Israeli soldier shot dead a Palestinian child, you'd manage to turn it round and somehow blame Hamas.You'd tell us that Hamas murdered the child. That's what you told us told us when the IDF were shelling schools in Gaza. That's how rotten to the core you are, utterly twisted and bitter, and certainly no friend of the Israeli people, ironically (though, naturally, you don't see the irony). Most Israelis would hate to have people like you and Keith on their side. All you do is put them in harm's way.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 16 - 07:00 PM

Sorry, I'm only just waking up after sleeping off dinner..

..eh ? .. what.. a thousand mile walk..??
.. what.. from UK to Israel...???


...ermmmm.. our feet might get very wet as soon as we step off at Dover...????? 😕

But I guess that didn't bother old man Moses back in them distant make believe bible days...

Divine intervention.. and presumably very sturdy sandals...

Still not woken up properly... what was the point...?????????


[Btw.. on the subject of jews..
.. I unearthed a photo on the internet of the Jewish Grandfather I have never known..
approx in his 70s in the 1970s
I showed it to my mum, she was quite touched to see her real dad's face again all these years later...


I need a younger photo to tell how much I might look like him]

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 30 May 16 - 06:29 PM

suggested that Israel be relocated. She did not suggest that just Jews should be relocated.

Ah, ha, ha....what are you smoking? I'd like me some of that shit man!

Just like your man Galloway who declared Bradford an "Israel free zone". Like Israel could be geographically excised and moved to Bradford. You damn well know he meant Jew free zone just as Shah meant the same. Your feigned ignorance convinces no one but, just as there was for your fellow party member, there is a path out of ignorance for you too. A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 16 - 05:56 PM

Both Haaretz and you are wrong (what's new?). Naz Shah, foolishly, suggested that Israel be relocated. She did not suggest that just Jews should be relocated. Now that WOULD have been antisemitic. But the unassailable fact that you and Haaretz are conveniently ignoring is that Israel is about one-quarter Arab. In effect, she was also suggesting that a couple of million Arabs also be relocated, as well as the Jewish contingent. So where does that leave us? Hmmm...

You see, you and Keith just LOVE those rejected EUMC criteria, because they allow you to call critics of Israel antisemitic. You dearly want Israel to be protected from any criticism. So we end up with a situation in which an admittedly rather foolish person making a remark that was about the state of Israel, no mention of Jews, can be called antisemitic. Well the rest of us will just continue to enjoy the pair of you making fools of yourselves in your ignorance and prejudice.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 30 May 16 - 05:32 PM

Another hater liberated from ignorance:

U.K. Labour MP Naz Shah: I Was Ignorant About Judaism

In first public appearance at Jewish venue since suspension from party over anti-Semitic remarks, Lawmaker visits Leeds synagogue, vows to talk to fellow Muslims about anti-Semitism.
Haaretz

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 16 - 02:56 PM

Lovely sunny bank holiday, and bob 'n' keith are on hilarious form...

Doubt if I'll find anything more amusing on TV.... 😄

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 May 16 - 02:52 PM

"At least some of us don't have friends in political parties rife with antisemites"
A least we aren't Antisemites who accuse the Jewish people of Israeli crimes.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 16 - 02:50 PM

Only antisemites now is it, bobad? Not Jew haters any more? Should we take that as progress? By the way, can you give me a list of Labour Party antisemites? As the party is "rife" with them, fifteen or twenty names will do for starters. As a member myself, I shall definitely take it up with them. And, like Andy Burnham, I would tear up my membership card if I find out that the party is riddled. Your information could be of value! 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 30 May 16 - 02:41 PM

With friends like those...

At least some of us don't have friends in political parties rife with antisemites. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 May 16 - 02:19 PM

"It is about Labour's problem with anti-semitism."
If you and Bobad bring up pro-Israeli activists to back your case, it's exactly about Israel.
It dos't matter what he is talking about - he is part of the Israeli propaganda team which is now targeting the Labour Party
You can't rule as inadvisable what you use yourself (I say "can't" advisedly - you always do when you find yourself in a corner.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 16 - 02:16 PM

ok....ok... Keith...

.. if I can keep a straight face for long enough.....


"From: punkfolkrocker - PM
Date: 29 May 16 - 09:40 AM

This is Keith's thread about the UK Labour Party,.. not.. and repeat... not.. about Israel,
as he rightfully reminds us from time to time whenever he starts getting a bit uncomfortable.....".... 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 May 16 - 02:12 PM

This really is not anything to do with Israel.
It is about Labour's problem with anti-semitism.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 16 - 01:57 PM

Keith - oh.. I really gotta see the expression on your face while you're typing all that...

.. Which one of us would crack up giggling first...!!!??? 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 May 16 - 01:47 PM

Your quoting pro-Israeli spokesmen like Sacradoti makes it about Israel.

It was the Indy that quoted him, but talking about anti-semitism.
What does it matter what his views on Israel are if that was not even being discussed?
It is about anti-semitism not Israel!

what Labour is doing to combat antisemitism is a shining example to the rest of them.

It has done nothing much so far, but if other parties do have any instances of anti-semitism they will know how not to deal with it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 16 - 10:44 AM

Bobad digs up mad Richard Kemp and Keith digs up arch-Zionist Sacerdoti. With friends like those...😂

I suggest a good read of this link provided by Keith.

"The (Labour Party)NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse. Anti-Semitism has no place in the Labour Party and is contrary to everything we stand for."
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/

The report goes into detail about Labour's concerns over antisemitism and details current actions on the matter. I actually think that, compared to other major organisations, including the other political parties and big religions, what Labour is doing to combat antisemitism is a shining example to the rest of them. You wouldn't glean that from Keith's single negative soundbite quote from the report, above, would you? There's a rancid stink of hypocrisy around here.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 May 16 - 10:02 AM

"This is not about Israel."
All of a sudden
Your quoting pro-Israeli spokesmen like Sacradoti makes it about Israel.
If the pro-Israeli propaganda machine has infiltrated institutions such as the BBC it is exactlyt about Israel - and the fact that you have refused to BBC confessions of pro-Israeli bias is indicative that you know it is about Israel
"Thread drift" is an old standby of your and it has never worked
Israel is now in the hands of an extreme right wing regime the like of which has not been seen since the end of WW2 - that is now being said by leading Israelis who are or have been part of that regime.
As a claimed supporter of the Jewish people, does that not worry you?
I don't really expect a response to this, but your silence is enough.
You have no interest in the Jewish people - your concern is for your right-wing friends in Israel.
Your running-mate, Bobad's loyalties are the same.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 16 - 09:59 AM

Keith - that's priceless... I wish I could see your face while you're typing some of this... 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 May 16 - 09:50 AM

This is not about Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 16 - 09:48 AM

Hands up in the air anyone who wants to join in creating such an oppressive climate of fear within the UK Labour Party
that not a single member or voter will ever dare utter another sentence including the words Israel, Jew, or any variant thereof, ever, ever, again... 🤐

.. except for the nice Labour Party supporters already on our side who absolutely adore Israel...

Three cheers for Israel... hip hip... 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 May 16 - 09:39 AM

Sadiq Khan said Corbyn was ignoring Labour antisemitism.

And, "The (Labour Party)NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse. Anti-Semitism has no place in the Labour Party and is contrary to everything we stand for."
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 16 - 09:23 AM

But you thought you'd go ahead with the smear anyway. Don't say things you can't back up. You won't get away with it here. You have tried to get us to pass a judgement on Ms Walker that the Labour Party doesn't agree with. You did it by using the eye-catching BBC top line only and failed to move down to the relevant details, unlike the BBC report. Why did you do that? Because the relevant details, contained in the whole of her comment, severely water down the criticism, and, naturally, that doesn't suit your case. You'd rather like the Labour Party to be riddled with antisemites, wouldn't you? Well tough luck. It isn't. She did not say, as yiu claim, that "the Jews were responsible for the slave trade." Do you think we can't read?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 May 16 - 09:16 AM

"It was the first three sentences of the BBC report."
""Jonathan Sacerdoti, of the Campaign Against Antisemitism, said: "If the Labour Party has truly readmitted a member ....!

Some of the facts Keith conveniently ignored in his selection of evidence for Antisemitism in the Lablor Party - the main one being that the evidnce is coming directly from pro-Israel activists.

But Sacerdoti is exactly the opposite of a disinterested 'expert' voice on the ongoing violence. Just two years ago he was Director of Public Affairs for the Zionist Federation, perhaps the loudest and most shrill pro-Israel lobby group in the UK.

The day after Israel killed nine activists on the Mavi Marmara flotilla, he appeared defending that attack on Al Jazeera and on Sky News. In August 2011 he spoke at a pro-Israel rally in Trafalgar Square organised by the British Israel Coalition and supported by the Israeli government-linked StandWithUs.

On 6 July 2010 he met Israeli President Shimon Peres and uploaded an entire album on to Flickr documenting the occasion. He captioned a photo of him shaking hands with Peres,'Jonathan Sacerdoti, of Her Majesty's Secret Service'.

Sacerdoti has worked with Brenner to make a 'Buy Israeli Goods Day' video intended to counter the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions movement's call not to buy goods made in Israel or by companies complicit in the occupation. He was also elected to the Board of Deputies of British Jews' International Division, a committed pro-Israel body. In May 2010 Sacerdoti reportedly spoke publicly about 'ways to use Facebook, Twitter and other online resources to advocate for Israel' at a Zionist Federation Israel advocacy event called 'Talk for Israel'.
It is clear that Sacerdoti is a committed pro-Israel activist. But viewers were given a distorted impression about his background by BBC news.
Who is Jonathan Sacradoti

A pretty obvious propaganda plot, I'd say.
BBC fesses up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 May 16 - 09:00 AM

It was not partial quoting Steve.
It was the first three sentences of the BBC report.
I highlighted the bit that was the most blatantly anti-semitic slur, that the Jews were responsible for the slave trade by being its "chief financiers."

I only suggested a possible motive for individuals within FRA seeking to suppress the definitions.
Neither of us can say if it was a personal agenda or what that might be.
The fact remains that it is still on the EU site on the more relevant pages of the EPWG.

It has not been "dropped" just moved.
You were all wrong about that.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 16 - 07:55 AM

JEWS !!!!!....

Off you go then bob 'n' keith...

There's a big bold statement for you to do your best to insinuate antisemitic intent... 🙄


Here's a helpful hint... I will definitely vote Labour.....

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 May 16 - 06:57 AM

Doubt it Steve, I doubt it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 16 - 06:44 AM

The BBC report included the transcript from Facebook, which contained her whole sentence. There was no bold emphasis of any words. Here's what she actually wrote:

..and many Jews (my ancestors too) were the chief financiers of the sugar and slave trade which is of course why there were so many early synagogues in the Caribbean.

Until I dragged that out of you by challenging your partial quoting, here's what you said she said, and you put it in quotes:
.
...wrote about "the African holocaust" and Jews as "chief financiers of the slave trade". "

The BBC was honest and neutral enough to follow its journalistic introduction with the full transcript. You were not. In spite of the fact that you left out the bit about sugar, and in spite of the fact that she didn't just say "Jews," and in spite of the fact that there was no bold emphasis in her remarks, you chose to convey to us with speech marks that you were quoting verbatim. You provided no link for us to check your quote. But I don't trust you, so I went to the trouble. It's quite clear that you were determined to tar Ms Walker with the antisemite brush.

"If some people at or near the top of FRA sought to suppress the definitions of anti-semitism, perhaps because of some personal agenda, they did not succeed."

A ridiculous accusation and a totally unjustified smear. If you have any evidence whatsoever for this, let's be having it. Are there no lengths you'll go to to save your miserable skin?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 May 16 - 05:39 AM

First two sentences of Indy report,

"A senior Momentum organiser has been readmitted to the Labour party following her suspension earlier this month for saying Jewish people were the "chief financiers of the sugar and slave trade".

In a Facebook post about the trans-Atlantic slave trade, Jackie Walker, the vice-chair of the left-wing Labour Party-linked movement, wrote: "I'm sure you know, millions more Africans were killed in the African Holocaust and their oppression continues today on a global scale in a way it doesn't for Jews...and many Jews (my ancestors too) were the chief financiers of the sugar and slave trade which is of course why there were so many early synagogues in the Caribbean. "

Final two sentences,
"Jonathan Sacerdoti, of the Campaign Against Antisemitism, said: "If the Labour Party has truly readmitted a member who publicly subscribes to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories of Jews financing and causing the slave trade, their ongoing inquiry into anti-Semitism can barely be taken seriously."

He added that for the Labour Party to readmit people who spread "malicious myths" about Jews "tells us that anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is becoming institutional"."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/anti-semitism-row-momentum-organiser-jackie-walker-readmitted-to-labour-party-following-racism-a7053966.html

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 May 16 - 04:32 AM

If some people at or near the top of FRA sought to suppress the definitions of anti-semitism, perhaps because of some personal agenda, they did not succeed.

As soon as they took it it down, the European Parliament Working Group on Anti-Semitism put it back on the EU site. It is more their remit anyway.

So in the eleven years since the definitions were formulated, for how many days have they been absent from EU pages?

Keith has done what Keith always does, uses partial quotes out of context, to blacken the name of Jackie Walker.

Another false accusation Steve.
I just pasted the first 3 sentences of the BBC report.

"A senior Labour activist who was suspended from the party over alleged anti-Semitic comments on Facebook has been reinstated.
Jackie Walker's suspension was lifted following an investigation, the party said.
The Kent activist and vice chair of the Momentum movement wrote about "the African holocaust" and Jews as "chief financiers of the slave trade". "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-36405130