BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)

Subject: BS: RIP Charlton Heston
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 01:38 AM

news item

You can pry this gun out of my clod dead hands!

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 01:39 AM

COLD dead hands!

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 02:01 AM

Yeah, but he was kind of a clod when it came to the NRA.

My mom, the psychiatric social worker, had a favorite joke about the guy:

A psychiatrist dies and when he gets to the pearly gates St. Peter greets him enthusiastically. "I'm so glad you're here! We need your help!"

"Why, what's wrong?" the doctor asks.

"God thinks he's Charlton Heston!"

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston
From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 02:01 AM

He was a good actor, I'll give him that. As a younger man he was not only a good actor but a good character too but as he aged, '"I have a face that belongs in another century," he often remarked,'" well he had a mind that belonged there to. Enough said 'bout the dead, from me that is.

Barry, not a friend of the NRA

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 02:20 AM

The only movie of his I rather enjoyed was Planet of the Apes.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 02:47 AM

I was in Ben Hur myself. He played Ben.....I played her...........Okay, its an old Groucho line but what the hell.......

I could find no salvation in his later life as he became the King Toady for the NRA but he almost (ALMOST I say, only almost) got my pity for the Michael Moore interview. MM showed him to be the piece of crap he was, but also showed us the pathetic old man he'd become. There was both glee and sadness in seeing him so humiliated.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: alanabit
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 02:56 AM

I know lots of good people, who have some rotten ideas. Both of my parents spouted racist cliches. I know what you mean Spaw, but I like to feel that the compassion wins out in the end. I wouldn't like the ten most unpleasant facts about alanabit blasted out all over Mudcat.
It seems likely that Charlton Heston grew up in another age, with some ideas, which have had to go. I try to remember Heston for Ben Hur and hope that he was one of the good guys.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 03:19 AM

I didn't like his pro-NRA speeches, either, but a of people shared his views, so.... Doesn't mean they are bad peole.

I thought teh Michael Moore interview was a disgrace. When it was obvous that Heston had the beginnings of senility, the interview should have been chopped.

He was a good actor and made some decent movies, we should remember him for that and be grateful he was spared a future life of increasing senilty, which is horrible. I have it in my family and have seen its effects.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 03:35 AM

A sad day. He was a wonderful actor and his stance for the freedom to hold arms is what he will be best remembered for. It doesn't matter how many pressure groups spring up ranting on about banning firearms, guys like Heston and Bush will always see them down.

That's what you have to admire about the Americans. One incident in the UK and every anti gun mouthpiece gets to have his say. More people are killed in one month in the UK my drunk drivers than are killed in a year by firearms.

UK penalty for drunk drinking, twelve month ban (reduced to six months if you go on a court appointed "I admit I was a bad boy" course).

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 04:08 AM

Good actors do accents to fit their parts, Moses and Ben Hur et al, were not Americans?
All he ever did was play Chuck Heston, in a series of big budget movies.
Sorry, don't wish to speak ill of the dead, but while I could excuse his wooden acting, I can never forgive him his espousal of guns.
You can troll all you like GG, but cars are necessary to everyday life, while guns are not.

G

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: kendall
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 07:16 AM

So, we are minus one average actor and one gun worshipper.
As Utah Phillips said, "So many Christians, so few Lions."

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Mooh
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 07:29 AM

kendall/Utah...Agreed, well put.

He would have been a better character actor than leading role but either way he was more a caricature. He used his celebrity, that in itself a caricature, to support the right to arms. I didn't respect him for this in life, and won't in death. In the end he's a tragic figure though. Wonder how long it will be before there's a self-worshipping Hollywood movie about him.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Fiolar
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 07:52 AM

Certainly a bad year so far for the film world. So many of the greats have passed on. I liked Heston a lot and many of his movies were great. Will never forget his role as "El Cid" and the dozens of others he made not forgetting the vastly underrated "The Omega Man".
Farewell big guy. Say "Hello" to Moses, General Gordon, Buffalo Bill and Andrew Jackson among many others.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Beer
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 08:47 AM

Never appreciated his gun totting stance but hay!, many did. I happen to love his movies. Lots of action. Also liked "Soylent Green".
R.I.P.
Beer (Adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 10:16 AM

First of all, as per usual, GG takes the extereme in her "banning firarms" knee-jerk reaction... I don't know any gun control advocates who are for banning firearmas...

As fir C.H.??? "Planet of the Apes" was my favorite but "The Ten Commandments" was a close second...

As for his life's works??? Hey, he stood up for some good things and, IMO, he stoof up for some dumbass right winged stuff, too... The stood up for 1st ammmendment rights and he was supporter of civil rights when it wasn't popular... He get's credit for that...

As for Bush standing up for anything??? Nah, he is a wimp... The only time he stands up is when he has thugs behind him... I've challenged him to 5 rounds in the ring over the Iarq War... I might have to take a pain shot in right arm before steppin' into the ring but that challenge still stands... I whup him and he ends the Iraq occupation... He whups me and I'll kiss his butt at half time of next years Super Bowl...

But nevermind Wimpy Boy, C.H. was the real deal... Just a tad off course in the later years...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 10:25 AM

Well, he was a handsome looking feller with a deep voice. Not a particularly good actor other than acting himself. As Bobert says, he did stand up for civil rights when it wasn't popular to do so.

He was also an exceptionally bad writer, I having tried to plow through one of his nautical novels; this surprised me because Heston was a deep-water sailor and had a wealth of experience to draw on for to base a good story.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: goatfell
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 10:35 AM

I think it's sad whenever anyone dies, however I don't like guns

RIP Charleton

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: eddie1
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 11:47 AM

BBCi in their "In Depth" pages have alengthy obit where they manage to say on one page that in "The Greatest Show On Earth" he played the ringmaster and on another, a trapeze artiste!
He played the circus owner!

Eddie

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 12:20 PM

There are many voices here against the private ownership of guns. Can you for once allow others who support the right to own a firearm hold an opinion.

Always some mouthpiece telling us their right, we are wrong.

I respected the man and his commitment to the freedom of ownership of firearms.

Talk until you go blue in the face, but the law will always support the freedom to hold arms.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 12:26 PM

Oh, fuck off, gg. Quit your trolling, esp. in an obit thread.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 12:49 PM

The role I will always remember him most for was in "Planet of the Apes".

"Get your filthy paws off me, you damned dirty ape!!!"

Chongo might never have forgiven him for uttering that line except for one thing. He said it to a gorilla. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 12:55 PM

Rest in Peace...

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: goatfell
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 12:59 PM

i hate people that dob't give us their names/nicknames Guest but you have the right to your views as did Mr Heston

TOM

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 01:02 PM

Fine, GG... Start a thread on the topic but to continue using threads about other stuff to further your poliriacl views is like somewhat disrespectful of the forum...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 01:13 PM

Respect for a fine actor...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaZzsiVB2Zg
"Do not judge so that you will not be judged." Matthew 7:1

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 01:14 PM

"I have a face that belongs in another century."

Haven't we all?

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 01:45 PM

For sure. My face definitely belongs in another century, and I've known that for some time.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: fat B****rd
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 02:02 PM

I liked some of his big production movies, all named above, but "A Touch Of Evil" and "The Big Country" were pretty good. RIP MR. H.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Skivee
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 02:20 PM

He played Long John Silver in the Ted Turner production version of Treasure Island. It was a surprisingly subtle performance. The name I use in the band (Long John Skivee) was prompted by this film.
Although "Bowling For Columbine" made some good points, I think that Moore's treatment of Heston was unworthy.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: gnu
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 02:30 PM

RIP Chuck. And, as far as all the bullshit about weapons, weapons won you your freedom. Be careful when you say weapons are bad. The meek shall inherit the earth, but, not withouts weapons. Check out some history. Check out all history.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 02:35 PM

When only the bad guys have weapons, then good guys are gonna get their arses kicked.

I'm sorry he died, but I was never a fan of his as an actor or NRA speaker. That aside, I hope eternity is kind to him.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Slag
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 04:45 PM

IMHO Mr. Heston was a top rate actor. He drew upon the dynamic that was himself.

Heston walked with MLK and has supported ALL the rights enumerated in our U.S. Constitution. He understood, as the founding fathers understood, you don't have the First Amendment without the support of the Second Amendment.

Good men abhor the thought of taking another's life. They make laws to criminalize murder and to deal with the aftermath of murder. And while good men hate the thought of taking lives the wise man understands that there ARE murders about and being armed is both a deterent and a remedy for murderous assualt. Charelton Heston was both a good and a wise man. God bless him and he will rest in peace.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 04:46 PM

Touch Of Evil was a fine film.

But my favorite film of Heston's, altghough not a favorite with the critics, was The Mountain Men.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: CET
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 06:08 PM

You're wrong, Bobert. From the very beginning, this thread has contained attacks on Charlton Heston's views on gun ownership. I can't see why Guest shouldn't weigh in with an opposing opinion. Kat's response was grossly out of line, which was a surprise since I never figured her for one of the liberal thought police.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 06:44 PM

Art, I absolutely loved that film! Many folks don't know that the script was written by Heston's son, Fraser. Casting Brian Keith and Charlton Heston as grizzled mountain men was masterful. As an actor, it is easy to judge him by the blockbuster, wide screen, epic, part of his career. I thought he was wonderful in Ben Hur. But there was much more that came later that was very well done.

While I certainly don't like the way the NRA years are portrayed, and the way he allowed himself to be scripted during those years, still this is a man of strong political views, and who did more than sit and tell people he supported civil rights. He was a public figure, and an actor, during a time that supporting civil rights could have been very costly to him. But he took the principled stand, and should be admired for that. As to gun rights, you all know that I am a gun owner, and supportive of the right to keep and bear arms. I disagree mightily with the implication by Bobert that gun control advocates aren't trying to do away with private ownership of weapons. And I think Edmund hit it on the head when he called folks on their attack on this GG (btw, it's not the one you think). From almost the beginning Heston's stance on guns has been a part of this thread. Defending his stance was a legitimate response and in no way an attempt to troll.

He lived an interesting life.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 06:57 PM

CET,

GUEST, guest has a nasty habit of interjecting her politcis into any thread... Check her out before saying I'm wrong... I could start a thread entitled "Your Favorite Teddy Bean" and GUEST,guest would somehow figure a way to blast Obama and/or supporters of Obama...

Its getting purdy danged irritating... But don't believe me... Re reread what kat told GUEST,guest... These are the sentiments of many people here...

I didn't put the blast on Charlton Heston and for the most part no one else did until yer buf GUEST,guest tried yet again to change the coversation about C.H, from our thoughts on his life anf his passing into a thread on gun control...

That was GUEST,guest's decision... Not mine or anyone elses... Go to some other threads and then come back and tell me I'm wrong... This is an obnoxious pattern by someone who won't even come out from the sniper's den...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 07:03 PM

Thank you Big Mick.
Heston was an accomplished celebrated actor first and foremost. In his later years he spoke openly in the defence of the rights of those who wish to own a firearm. There are those who oppose this viewpoint and clearly they think their views take president over others, well they don't.

A gun is like a lot of things, it can be dangerous in the hands of an idiot. A car falls into that class too, as does the contents of the average kitchen drawer.

Once you express an opinion on a thread here as I did here regarding my admiration for Heston's stance, you get called a troll. Call me it all day if you want, it won't change my opinion.I only wish we had such an individual in the UK to speak for the responsible gun owners.

Our nanny state would not allow it. The sunflower seed eaters cry all the way to government.

I repeat, call me all the troll/f***ers you want. I speak as I see it.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 07:09 PM

Bobert, I respect Obama, he allows others the privilege of free expression, you could learn a lot from him.

A little nasty of you coming in after Mick's excellent post and throwing in Kat's remark.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 07:20 PM

RIP, Charlton.

I've never liked extreme positions, but I know that towards the end you were suffering from Alzheimer's and I can make an exception for that.

(Does this mean that God really is dead???)

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: pdq
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 07:21 PM

Charlton Heston said, a few years back, that anyone not familiar with his work should see Will Penny. It's probably called a Western but it is also a good character study. Heston called it a "small movie" as opposed to the Hollywood spectaculars he was famous for.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: RangerSteve
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 07:55 PM

He was a darned good Cardinal Richeleau in both the Musketeers movies, too. Rest in Peace.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 08:50 PM

Free expression, GG, is not the same as "free association"... Ahy do you feel compelled to interject yer politics in every thread??? You are coming off as some reformed smoker who has to tell everybody who will listen how you've quit smoking, 'cept in yer case it your politics... There are ample political threads going right now where you can spout off what ever... But it's becoming real tiresome having just about every you polute every thread with yer need to be seen as the bigest and badest rebel/revoulionary/radical... Yexs, it's tiresome...

I don't mean to be hurtfull... If you were registered I'd rather be having this conversation behind the barn... But you are not selling anyone here because of the inappropiateness of yer postings on threads that have nothing in common with yer views...

Maybe you jus' don't ahve a clue what I am saying here... I related a story on the MLK thread a few months ago when I was a community organizer and brought some friends from bothe Black Panther Party and the White Panter Party to Richmond... But a few folks from each party met with some of the folks who I had been working and at some point during the meeting one of the Black Panther guys took me aside and said, "Hey, man, you are talkin' to people. You need to talk with people."

Yeah, I was hurt by that but after a few days it set in an' I understood what the guy said and good part of it is layin' back and choosin' when to strike, when to speak... Timing is everything... Yeah, I was anxious to let folks know jst how radical I was and was mssin' what realities of their lives...

I'm not sure that you understand what I am saying here... Okay, lets just use Ho's words, "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day"...

I'm sure you take this as condesending but that is not the intent... You are a smart lady... You have a lot to add here in Mudville... But you need to check yer radicalism at the door... Play by the rules... There are folks here who are as equally radical... With resumes to back their radicalism up... And, umlike you, are transparent... My history is confirmable... Maybe yers is as well but the point here is...

...chill... We are all big kids here... It's perfectly okay to post something that doesn't come with politics drippin; off it... Don't matter the thread... Some invite drippin' politics.. Others don't...

If this was George Bush or Dick Cheney who had died then, okay, but this was a movie actor...

Bottom line, respect the thread... There are plenty of other threads where you can you can interject...

Oh, and for the record, yes, you have a pefect right to say what ever you want and the Mudcat community has a perfect right to pass by your posts... If that is what you want then keep firin'...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Midchuck
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 09:07 PM

You can troll all you like GG, but cars are necessary to everyday life, while guns are not.

It is not "trolling" to express disagreement with another poster's beliefs, even if the first poster thinks of his beliefs as divine revelation, unless it's done in nasty terms.

It may well be trolling to accuse anyone who disagrees with you of trolling.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Beer
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 09:19 PM

You know what? This thread has got to be very sad. Very very sad. Actually disgusting is more like it.
It's a R.I.P thread remember?

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 09:24 PM

There was an interesting remembrance of Heston tonight on All Things Considered. Bob Mondello and Gloria Hillard stories. You can read them or listen to them.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 09:51 PM

I wondered when someone would mention Will Penny; I can understand Heston referring to it as he did. He had a right to be proud of that one.

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: pdq
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 09:54 PM

Do you think he comes back or not?

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 10:18 PM

If some one is way off topic, it trolling...

I have invited GG to start a guns-right thread and am still waiting...

This thread si about an actor, his life and his death... I beleive that most folks here understood that...

Again, I think it was disrespectful of GG turning Charton Heston's death into a soap box for her/his political issue de jour...

There are plenty of threads for that...

Just MO, of course...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Beer
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 10:53 PM

Bobert, you have been around for a long time and I have to say I enjoy reading your post. I also have to say that I enjoy reading Guest guest post. I'm usually a listener and try to understand both sides and gain knowledge by both opinions. C.H. took a stand on an issue in my opinion that will never be settled. There are many as I have stated above that are against and many that are for baring arms. Guestguest, I'm disappointed that you don't join as a member. Here I have to agree with many. If you don't join than you are a troll. You have made some very interesting observation and started threads that have prove very worthy indeed. What is holding you back? Why not join? The nly rerason i can come up with is that if you joned than you would feel you can't express yourself as freely.
Mr Heston to me was a great man. To others he was not. Fine. But let us wish him farewell and sympathies to his love ones that he left behind.

Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: RIP Charlton Heston (5 April, 2008)
From: Slag
Date: 06 Apr 08 - 11:57 PM

Ok Bobert, so it's OK for you to interject YOUR politics anywhere and everywhere YOU want but not GG. GG is right to do so because Heston WAS a political figure and a brave soul who took on issues that were NOT POPULAR. I mentioned MLK and now I'll mention the NRA because Mr. Heston was President of that organization for quite a while. Nobody was scripting his lines but himself. Why don't you, Bobert, go onto some conservative website and express your opinions there and see how well you fare? It's easy preaching to the choir but see how it floats in the other half of the country. This thread, as I read it, was meant as an obit for a famous actor and activist. His life was his life and it included his stance against gun control. To not acknowledge that would be dishonest. I'm really sorry you did not agree with Mr. Heston but, IT WAS HIS LIFE.