BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip 2024

Subject: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 03:37 AM

The British Foreign and commonwealth office decided in 1999 tro launch an inititiave to solve the israel palestine crisis. They consulted mr de bono, who sugested sending them lots of marmite, apparently the middle eastern diet lacks zinc,zinc counteracts irritability.
perhaps the idea should be tried again, a kind of 21 century version of marie antoinettes "let em eat cake", more humane than selling them guns, anyway.

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Scroll down for the transferred posts to do with the current war by Israel against Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 07:01 AM

Is marmite related to gelignite?

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 07:13 AM

Trouble with Marmite, as we all know and they admit in their own advertising, you either love it or you hate it*. Wonder which side would do which?

~M~

*I, personally, can quite easily take it or leave it alone for that matter; but then I was never the typical advertiser's Mr Average dreambody.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 07:35 AM

The believe the only kosher marmite is produced in South Africa, and some countries do not recognize it as kosher (possibly Israel, as it is hard to find there). So, there was a danger that it could be used as a offensive weapon, Hamas shooting jars of it over to Tel Aviv, disrupting the Kosher diet? Hardly anything the west would condone.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 07:47 PM

Is marmite related to gelignite?

Yeah, but not as tasty.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 08:19 PM

Nice stuff because there's 'no sweat' where it's involved.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 09:08 PM

I bet it tastes like jell-o

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: pdq
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 09:45 PM

See Little Egypt do her new dance: "The Gaza Strip".

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: olddude
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 09:51 PM

does it come with a pole pdq?

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 11:05 PM

No, dude, nothing like jell-o. More like the Oz Vegemite. It's a vegetable malt extract sp.read, can also be used in cooking Don't know what US equiv is but there must be one?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 04:25 AM

LOL olddude, you and jelly! I can't imagine anything more ghastly than Marmite jelly. UGH! I adore Marmite, but only about once every six months; I get a sudden craving and have it on toast for two or three days. Then I don't want any more. It's the same with peanut butter. It seems to me there are indeed certain vitamins or minerals in these two products which the body needs to top up from time to time. By the way, I do feel the terrible situation in the Gaza strip is not one to be treated flippantly. My heart aches for the poor civilians caught up in the conflict, and for the families of the dead. Let's hope the ceasefire will hold.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: gnomad
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 04:36 AM

I would agree re flippancy, Eliza, it is certainly a nasty business.

That said the proposal was at least a semi-serious one, making the point that an intractable problem may require a radically different approach if a solution is to be found.

This contemporary article gives more background.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 06:56 AM

The good news. You don't have to eat marmite to smell of it anymore. Perfume anyone?

marmite perfume


A related concoction story.

Fruitcake toss for the homeless

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 03:07 PM

MtheGM, saying M****** is like Vegemite is as if you were suggesting that Arab resembles Hebrew. Wars have been fought over weaker feelings.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 03:37 PM

I can't imagine anything more ghastly than Marmite jelly

Ah, don't forget, Eliza, that jelly in US terms is Jam. Marmite and Strawberry Jam Butties. Mmmmmmm :-)

I am not sure about the opening sentiments though. Pretty sure that Marmte could be used as an offensive weapon. Particularly Marmite Gold (Look it up yourself!)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 04:11 PM

I Canada, (at least where I am from) the terms jelly and jam differs.
Jam has full berries/fruit. Jelly is a strained and clear fruit mixture.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 04:23 PM

Grish ~~ Well, only going by what Oz friends have told me about Vegemite; no direct experience. Anyhow, Arabic & Hebrew have many strong resemblances FTM ~

Salaam שלם

2U!

מיכאל

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: gnu
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 04:42 PM

So, what the heck does it taste like? Can anyone describe it so Dan knows what to do if it's offered? This is a serious situation. Dan is a highly trained US Military officer who has trained others in survival, including eating stuff that most would not and in how to kill a man 50 different ways... are there 51 ways? Well, 52 if you include lime jello.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 05:41 PM

""It's a vegetable malt extract sp.read, can also be used in cooking""

Close Mike.

It's actually a yeast and vegetable extract.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: gnu
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 05:43 PM

Is it infectious?

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 05:46 PM

How to describe a flavour Gnu?

It is slightly meaty flavoured with a high salt content, definitely what you would call savoury.

People like/hate it in roughly equal numbers, and a recent TV documentary suggested that some people may be genetically pre-disposed to like, or hate, certain groups of flavours.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 05:48 PM

And NO!

Neither infectious nor contagious. Just nice or nasty depending on what tastes you happen to like.

Me?......I like the stuff.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 11:46 PM

Thanks, Don ~~ yeast, of course. Don't know where I got malt from. The flavour is savoury rather than sweet [hence the malapropicity of the jell-o suggestions]; somewhat salty and yeasty. As Don sez, that is about as far as one can go in describing a flavour, without going into the sort of silly jargon that wine correspondents tend to use.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 03:48 AM

So, what the heck does it taste like?

The Japanese use the term 'Umami'. Probably the closest we get is super-savoury.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: gnu
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 07:22 AM

Thanks. I hope that clears it up for Dan... meaty, yeasty, salty Jell-O.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 09:03 AM

LOL Michael, "A cheeky little spread; I'm getting yeast...and..yes,vegetables...and a full-flavoured salty undertone...a good year, I feel for Chateau Marmite."

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 11:38 AM

LoL right back 2U Eliza ~~ exactly the sort of jargon I meant!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 01:07 PM

Michael, wasn't it a woman called Jillie Goolies or something who used to taste and comment on fine wine?

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 01:16 PM

מיכאל, you might have missed my point. Vegemite and Marmite compare similarly as Pepsi and Coke. Down Under, friendships and marriages are at risk, no matter how high the content of zinc.

Opium may serve the purpose better - or not.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 01:18 PM

You guessed who the GUEST was.

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 01:32 PM

קן גרישה. טודה

Subject: RE: BS: marmite and the gaza strip
From: Little Robyn
Date: 24 Nov 12 - 08:06 PM

I used to make my own 'marmite' - you need flaked edible yeast which is a byproduct from brewing beer. Most health food shops will have it and some supermarkets as well. NOT brewer's yeast or breadmaker's yeast!!!! Flaked yeast - the edible variety.
Then mix in some soy sauce until it's a consistency that you want - maybe very thick or it can be runny. The taste also depends on the type of soy sauce you use - dark soy, light soy or mushroom soy. The latter is my choice. Vegemite is supposed to be the same but I can taste a difference and don't like it. Also, English Marmite is more salty than NZ/Aussie Marmite. But right now the Marmite factory in Christchurch is damaged after the Canterbury earthquake last year and you just can't get NZ Marmite in any of the shops. You can get a similar product called Promite, which is made in Australia and this is my favourite now.
Robyn

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 02:50 AM

Which countries are selling arms to Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 09:27 AM

So who is Israels largest supplier of weapons,? is it the USA?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 09:48 AM

A cursory search on Google will answer your questions. It music have taken me at least 5 seconds.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 11:49 AM

So you have learned something?
according to the Washington Post it is the usa, furthermore
US releases $3.5 billion to Israel to spend on US weapons ...
CNN
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https://www.cnn.com
9 Aug 2024 — The US is set to provide Israel with $3.5 billion to spend on US weapons and military equipment.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 12:16 PM

Yes, the US provides most of Israel's weapons. We have been committed to their survival since the beginning.
   Now we are in the awkward position of approving Israel's defense, while disapproving of Bebe's horrendous use of many of those weapons for indiscriminate use of them to destroy any presumed locations of Hamas or Hezbollah.
I can't imagine how frustrating it is for Biden to straddle the line between 'protecting' and 'condemning' the actions.
You can imagine how the election would go if all arms to Israel were stopped! And, of course, continuing will lose great numbers of Palestinian sympathizers.
It's a paradigm of a no-win situation. I'm guessing that some things will change when and if Harris wins..perhaps even before she is sworn in.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 04:38 PM

We're getting a masterclass in the fact that attack isn't the best form of defence.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 05:26 PM

Note: Israel BUYS those bombs, planes and various munitions from us. It would be quite a financial hit if were to stop.
Then, IF this escalating violence develops into an area-wide war and Iran and others seriously attack Israel, would be even more committed to Israel's defense.
Hamas stupidly started this &#@*#%& violence, but Netanyahu took advantage of it to begin his desire to annex Gaza and turn the Palestinians into truly a people without a country or hope for one.

Everyone carries part of the responsibility for what is happening and a hundred years of ethnic and religious hate looms large. Sadly, I don't see any solution.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 05:59 PM

Well said, Bill D!

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 02:03 AM

There won't be a cease-fire as long as the opposites in the conflict don't want it. when this all started Netanyahu was being investigated for corruption and it didn't look good for him. All that has been pushed to the back burner but will return to the fore when the war(s) are ended. And as for Hamas they are quite willing to watch the slaughter of their own people as long as Israel is increasingly viewed as a pariah state. According to a Times of Israel article: For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces. He's been using them as a foil against Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority in attempts to move toward a Palestinian state. He unofficially negotiated with them via Egypt to allow money from abroad into Gaza. (suitcases full of Qatari cash) He also increased the number of work permits for Gazans from 200 in 2021 to 20,000 in 2023 as a way to get more money into the strip. At a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 02:22 AM

”Then, IF this escalating violence develops into an area-wide war and Iran and others seriously attack Israel, would be even more committed to Israel's defense.
Hamas stupidly started this &#@*#%& violence, but Netanyahu took advantage of it to begin his desire to annex Gaza and turn the Palestinians into truly a people without a country or hope for one.

Everyone carries part of the responsibility for what is happening and a hundred years of ethnic and religious hate looms large. Sadly, I don't see any solution.”

Absolutely right on the button, Bill. I find it astonishing that a nation, composed heavily of the descendants of a people who were so appallingly brutalised and ethnically-cleansed in Europe in the early/mid 20th century, are now themselves engaged in the brutalisation and ethnic cleansing of their neighbours, and are so happy to appear on our TVs attempting to ‘justify’ their own inhumanity.

If their God actually exists, he/she must be wondering what kind of monster he/she created.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 05:21 AM

Did Hamas start this, Bill D? Surely their horrible attack this day last year was a reaction to increasing eviction of Palestinians from their homes by illegal settlements?
It seems unlikely anyone can stop it; Israel is now at war with three neighbouring states, and listening to nobody. And the illegal settlements continue to grow. And America continues to back Israel.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 05:53 AM

The State of Israel has effectively held 2 million Gazan Palestinians hostage in their own country for many years. Now they are engaged in ethnic cleansing and an illegal land-grab.

What Hamas did a year ago was inhumane and utterly indefensible, but something of that kind was inevitable after years and years of oppression of the Palestinians in Gaza. But what the State of Israel has done since, and continues to do, is far worse - it’s State-sponsored terrorism which has cost over 30,000 Gazan lives, displaced a million more, and now threatens the entire Middle-East with all-out war.

Nobody is innocent in this debacle, and there will be no winners.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 06:10 AM

> there will be no winners

*Disagree*: Vlad.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 06:13 AM

Good point.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 06:29 AM

Yes, good point.

“What needs to be done is for this war to stop,” said Dawas. “It’s a catastrophe… the scale of it is just beyond the human understanding.”

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 06:37 AM

From ABC News: Gaza's silent crisis: a child's battle against malnutrition - malnutrition is raging through Gaza, starving children and a terrible future.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 08:28 AM

Thompson... Of course "...eviction of Palestinians from their homes..."
was one of the issues, but Hamas was not exactly acting just for the good of the Palestinians... they had a far wider agenda.
All those rockets at Israel and killings at the concert on Oct. 7 were simply the proximate trigger for this scary escalation.

Subject: BS: Israel & Hamas & gaza strip
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 08:40 AM

There are winners, they are the US armament manufacturers, and the people who make money out of supplying THOSE WEAPONS