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From: Jeri
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:54 PM

Would you two guys GET A FUCKING ROOM!?

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From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:07 PM

Us two? Seems more like Beardie Against The World.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:20 PM

Dear Bing hamton,

You are correct.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:27 PM

Cor. I thought it was us Brits who were supposed to have the monopoly on bad tempered threads!

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:36 PM

At this stage the people in the street are we the people, whatever you want to call yourself. Becoming experienced with the fact that you are not all alone in this is empowering and educational.
That in itself is what matters today. Maybe it leads to Wall St regulations or justice for the criminal individuals and Cabals who have stolen vast unheard of sums of money, and want you to pay for it and then again maybe it won't.

Relatively few people here have enabled Corporations to delibereately hurt America and Americans. Those who have faithfully served the 1% by lieing or processing schemes of extortion and swindles may not even be acutely aware of what they did.

Fewer still knew exactly what they were doing with direct involvment in fraud, theft and other high crimes and misdemeaners. They did so with intrepidation believeing that they were immune to prosecution, protected by the firm or simply so priviledged that they think in terms of being above the law. If pressed for an explanation most of them just say "everyone was doing it".

The inevitable blow back is here. More power to you who have put yourwords AND bodies on the line for the rest of us.

When the police FBI and courts do not do their job its up to us to do ours.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:36 PM

Their legendary hegemony in that regard is coming under serious threat. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 02:12 PM

The hegemony was acutely aware of blowback. That is what has driven the rise in security scams, cameras, Xray trucks, sound cannons and stuff too cruel to mention. The security systems they have bought and sold were designed to work against patriotic civilian populations as much as they were designed to thwart terrorism.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 02:24 PM

I agree, Donuel, but I wasn't referring to that. We cross-posted. I was referring to Spleen Cringe's last post about bad tempered threads.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 02:29 PM

Grins...

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 06:02 PM

Heck of a food fight while I was away... That Cheeze-Whiz on the ceiling???

But at the end of the day, bearded bruce, can't produce much more than hot air in trying to prove that the left is as well funded as the right... But it was plenty of hot air... Surprised that it didn't melt down Max's computers...

Fact is that it would take 100 George Soroses to get in the same league as the Koch brothers alone... Throw in the hundreds of million$$$ that the health insurance companies have funneled thru Dick Aremy's FreddomWorks its it's no wonder when you need a per-authorization before you can get them to pay for anything that they automatically say, "NO"... They don't have any $$$ left after buying politicians and making their boatt and McMansion payments, poor dears...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 08:31 PM

There's talkers, and there's do'ers.
Shut up and do.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 08:34 PM

Right on, TIA...

Too much hot air, subterfuge, smoke, mirrors and out right lies coming from the righties...

Normal for them...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:26 PM

Greetings:

Marilyn and I been doing, but we have taken most of the week off and we will be at the Eisteddfod Traditional Music Festival this weekend. If all goes well, we will return to Zuccotti Park this coming Monday or Tuesday with more home cooked food and home spun songs to share.

Meanwhile, if you are on Facebook, please check out Occupy Folk Music.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 04:41 PM

Good on ya Steve.
I'm off to DC this weekend with a vanload of students.
Hoping for nice weather, but will put up with whatever.
Apparently I can submit my gas receipt to George Soros.
Who knew!?!

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 06:25 PM

In a movement that claims no leadership and operates by consensus, how can it disavow the actions of window breakers? What's the mechanism?

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 06:26 PM

They were Republicans, Dick.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 06:33 PM

The 99% does not refer to a political group or collection of views.

It refers to those who aren't part of the 1% that controls the vast majority of the wealth.

The occupy movement refers to those members of the 99% who wish to hold corporatioons to account and who wish to return the political system from corporatocracy to democracy - ie - where those with the money do not have exclusive political rights and influence, but the same access to government and the same political power as every other individual.

The Tea Party is made up of some members of the 99%, but was orchestrated by the 1%.

Its an interesting mix of boundary definitions, but one that does stand up to scrutiny.

Just because you are on the side of the slaveowner, doesn't make you less of a slave.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 07:06 PM

We've had this alleged link between Soros and OWS mentioned on here before.

It doesn't add up - the occupy movement is happening in Spain,, Greece, Tel Aviv, London etc etc etc

The Tea Party is exclusively American.

Why?

Because one was orchestrated and the other was Grass Roots.

The OWS in America happened After the ones in Spain,, Greece and Tel Aviv.

Soros' connection to OWS is so tenuous as to be non existent - he owns a company that has links to a paper that once expressed a similar idea to the occupy protests ...

But the occupy thing has been the result of sicial media udoing two things 1. undermining mainstream media and 2. bringing hitherto isolated people together and repoliticaizing jaded apathetic society.

To control the people, you need to control the information and keep them divided.

Social media and the internet have totally undermined both of these.

We should be happy.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 07:15 PM

No leaders, dick, and no decisions are two different things... There are decisions made every day by various OWSer groups... The Oakland OWS has spoken thru it's own "general assembly" to denounce the people who acted outside of OWS and did damage in Oakland...

As for decisions, the New York OWS group has received some donations and decided, thru a democratic vote in their general assembly to give $20,000 to the Oakland group...

These decisions are fascinating... It is democracy within the groups and unbeknownst to anyone who is not part of the OWS involves people getting up and saying what they think, much like a hearing, and then a vote... Everyone at the general assembly has a vote...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 09:05 PM

Scott Walker is spending 80 million bucks of Koch money just for the recall vote.

Get ready to witness the first ever 4 BILLION dollar election.
(this is the result of corporate lobbyests winning the unlimited money decision and unlimited super pac money bypassing many campaign finance laws in place for a century.)

With any luck one Jib Jab video will nullify 2 billion dollars worth of corporate ads.

FOlks like the Koch Bros feel like they are so close to a complete takeover of the government by defunding and COngress by paid stooge, they will pull out all the stops. I think we all sense the showdown.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 09:10 PM

Yeah, the Kochs are throwing the house at Ohio and Wisconsin... They are scared that the Dems will make them stop polluting our air and poisoning our water...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 09:47 PM

(from another thread but fits best here)

The last 10 years.

Imagine the paranoia of a German Jew in 1934.
The mood is omninous but still attributable to silly paranoia.

Gradually it feels more real until overnight on Krystalnacht there is longer room for doubt for victims and perpetraors alike.

Year seven of the Bush administration felt similar to 1936 Germany.
caged pens for free speech, homeland security researching the books people checked out of my local library, warrentless wiretaps, secret break ins to homes, personal firebombs found in yard, sick and evil rumor campaigns, patriotic war cries ad absurdum. with us or against us, tip lines, focused hate campaigns on the radio 24/7, no travel bans, push for national IDs and birth certifide passports to visit Canada, jailing people without rule of law but by Presidential order, TORTURE...

Yeah it was getting hairy here. Then they took all the money supply away and gave it to the Uber rich.

Suddenly the super patriot saw himself as a target and victim of der leader and wised up at least to the point of suspicion. Then he lost his job, his house, his [ension, unemployment insurance, food stamps, and all the talk radio shock troops had a different ring to it. Mr uber patriot was mad but twisted into a neurotic pretzel.
At least his guns and Bible remained unchanged. But then a BLACK man is President? This was the fault of those socialist intellectuals for sure. Then a rumor that Obama would take away the ammunition led to an all time hoarding and mass sales of bullets the country has ever seen. Now the former Bush patriot had all the guns and ammunition but not their kids, they still went to war. Some did not return. All the Hope and all the change did not bring jobs back to Bush patriots again. Joe the patriot joined a prefabricated Tea Party to vent real anger. They were told to vent that anger at the balck guy who made death panels and evil Obamacare...go scream at a town hall meeting... we know the rest.

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If the economic collapse did not occure until after the election, McCain and Palin would in fact be in office and corporate fascism would have devoured even more to the point of 50% unemployment, no auto companies left and no means to counter actual stark starvation in America.
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Believe me, the current Depression could have been much worse. The form of fascist corporate dictatorship during the Bush years would have evolved into something similar to 1938 Germany.

We are not out of the Bush woods yet. Today America has more factory prisons than Germany. Like exEnron employees going to Wall St, the remenants of the neo con fascists are lurking for a reincarnation.

Thank God OWS has spread now !!!!!!
If it had waited even another year, the crack down by police authority could possibly be similar to Syria.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 10:04 PM

Ney beered bruce,

The Tea party angry person (as opposed to a Koch Bros/Dick Army operative) and an OWS person are each angry and in need of a system change, equally.

There is a cross over. You won't see it on FOX but it is there.

A gulf will remain between the Hannity-LImbaugh addict tea party person and a concerned OWS person of any age. The problem there is one of intelligence and indoctrination. Its what I call the 20% loon factor which will always outweigh factual commonalities that would normally bind victimized Americans together.

Have a beer on me.



I have always seen the Tea party as a pre fabricated niche made to contain the religious right within a Republican structure despite the mistrust and betrayal the base had with the Republican regieme.

Think tanks warned of blow back so a holding pen was built to contain those running for the exits. It was a good plan but (to put it in a kind way) it did not hold the 99% of people who tend to be a wee bit nore informed.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: bobad
Date: 04 Nov 11 - 10:35 PM

Plus ça change

"The modern concentration of wealth is fantastic. The wealthiest one percent of Americans own more than 80 percent of all personal shares of stock. From World War II until the mid-Fifties, the 50 biggest corporations increased their manufacturing production from 17 to 23 percent of the national total, and the share of the largest 200 companies rose from 30 to 37 percent. To regard the various decisions of these elites as purely economic is short-sighted: their decisions affect in a momentous way the entire fabric of social life in America. Foreign investments influence political policies in under-developed areas -- and our efforts to build a "profitable" capitalist world blind our foreign policy to mankind's needs and destiny. The drive for sales spurs phenomenal advertising efforts; the ethical drug industry, for instance, spent more than $750 million on promotions in 1960, nearly for times the amount available to all American medical schools for their educational programs. The arts, too, are organized substantially according to their commercial appeal aesthetic values are subordinated to exchange values, and writers swiftly learn to consider the commercial market as much as the humanistic marketplace of ideas. The tendency to over-production, to gluts of surplus commodities, encourages "market research" techniques to deliberately create pseudo-needs in consumers -- we learn to buy "smart" things, regardless of their utility -- and introduces wasteful "planned obsolescence" as a permanent feature of business strategy. While real social needs accumulate as rapidly as profits, it becomes evident that Money, instead of dignity of character, remains a pivotal American value and Profitability, instead of social use, a pivotal standard in determining priorities of resource allocation."

From: Port Huron Statement of the Students for a Democratic Society, 1962

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 05 Nov 11 - 07:43 AM

Indeed Bobad,

Though in fact things have changed .... the wealth has become considerably more concentrated than it was in the 60's...

Which I know entirely backs up your point, but I felt it might be helpful to nit pick in a friendly way for a change.

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From: goatfell
Date: 05 Nov 11 - 08:05 AM

Good for them ,time we got rid of the fat cats and the fat cat supporters

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 12:30 AM

blah, blah, blah...
Who's is going to DC tomorrow?
No more f'ing talk.
Get In The Streets People!

(not talking to you Bobert, Steve and a few others)

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 12:38 AM

I know there are those on here that thinks the Democrats are 'clean' and supporting the OWS....because the Democrats are against Wall Street, and for the '99%-ters'....just like this one It's not the 'party' its the CORRUPTION..for the milllionth time! .
Hey Bobert, you still didn't spin the other one yet..about 'Fast and Furious'....(Hassenfus and his C-5A revisited)!

Corruption is NOT limited to just any one party!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 04:34 AM

"Corruption is NOT limited to just any one party!"

Where on the thread did anyone say THAT?

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 06:09 PM

"Occupy Atlanta was broken up last night by the police. The arrests were peaceful. The mayor was quoted as saying that an AK-47 was spoted in the crowd earlier in the day."

It gets worse. A motorcycle cop deliberately rammed into a peaceful OWS member and had the nerve to arrest him after he had injured him. The police made a great show of bombast in military style to intimidate and incite the OWS but they were unable to do so. They were ludicrous in their employment of a swat team, a riot-geared baton wielding presence, horseback riders against a peaceful unarmed group of OWS of which I consider myself a part.

My wife and I took our banjo down to the park encampment and played and sang rewritten protest songs in honor of the demonstration. We left before the police acted but we followed the events on Occupy Atlanta site.

That day, my wife and I attended a General Assembly in the park (now named Troy Davis Park by the OWS) and were blown away at how organized it was, peaceful and tolerant in spite of one obstreperous disturbed street person. OWS Atlanta is feeding the hungry street people despite the Mayor Kasim Reed who closed down a woman and child center and another shelter sending occupants out on the street as well as intimidating us with a military storm trooper display. There were at least five arrests.

OWS is showing Americans why we are in trouble.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 06:19 PM

Well, back in 1970 I was the rector of the Radical Student Union at VCU and we were having a meeting when two guys I didn't recognize as even being students at the university (not that I knew everyone but I knew the radicals) and these guys were talkin' about firebombing VCU's president's house there on campus...

Well, I knew about plants from other organizers I had met at other rallies so I put these guys out...

This is the stage where Boss Hog is going to pull a lot of dirty tricks on OWS chapters... Given the "pledge" that all OWSers take to abide by non-violence it is highly unlikely that any OWSer had an AK-47... We will be seeing more of Boss Hog's handiwork in the coming weeks...

"We won't get fooled again"... Yeah, we won't but the cops will...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 06:24 PM

In Oakland, some of the hooded black suited vandals were seen talking to the police before the window smashing and fires.

Many of them may have been Agent Provacateurs hired by the police.

The AK47 in Atlanta was definitely not part of the OWS.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 06:57 PM

BTW, this idea that some folks have been pushing so hard about both parties being the same is BS... They aren't... The Dems are at best, bad... But the Rrepublicans, at best, are much worse... And this from an active OWSer...

We need to keep some reality in the discussion... And more $$$$ (way more) go to the Repubs by the corporations, especially since "Citizens United"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 07:07 PM

The WTO conference in Seattle in 1999 sparked a massive demonstration by union members and working stiffs all over the area. I mean massive! Depending on whose figures you believe, there were between 50,000 and 100,000 peaceful demonstrators, marching and chanting.

What turned it into what the press insisted on calling the "Battle in Seattle" was a band of about 200 interlopers that a friend of mine, a carpenter and construction worker who was participating in the, until then, peaceful protest, said were a bunch of thugs, some imported from eastern Oregon and others from northern Idaho (both reputed to be locations of neo-Nazi and "survivalist" paramilitary groups) who ran amok, smashing plate glass windows in downtown department stores and setting fires.

The next to arrive were the Seattle riot police, supplemented by reinforcements from police departments from neighboring municipalities, and the National Guard.

The peaceful protest got lost in all the mayhem. And the press had a ball!

Who the hell were these people and why were they there? Inquiring minds want to know.

I.e., who hired them? Any guesses?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 07:19 PM

Same folks who hired the goons who disrupted the poll workers in the 2000 Florida recount...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: bobad
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 10:12 PM

This is the kind of shit that has to go - not only in the US but in Canada too - nothing but bribery and influence peddling: Jack Abramoff

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 12:11 AM

Thanks for posting that link, bodad. I saw the show and was about to post it, but you beat me to it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 07:16 AM

We had the Whitehouse and Treasury block surrounded 3 to 5 people deep yesterday. Extremely light law enforcement presence. Totally peaceful. No count of how many people, but it had to be upwards of 10000.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 11:14 AM

Good on ya'll, TIA... Maybe ya'll need to go out to Potomac or Loudoun counties and surround a few Boss Hog houses...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 11:40 AM

Yup, that's coming.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 01:39 PM

And K Street...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 02:14 PM

Well, Bobert, the Left has a record of mobbing peoples houses and threatening their families. But it would be better if OWS kept to picketing the business place, and left the families alone.

Otherwise, it looks too much like the clan attacking black families in the south.



btw, I think the following is the action of a small subset of the OWS- and not representative of the group. Yet it IS an example f how the movement is being co-opted towards violent ends that will rebound against their goals.



"Occupy DC Protesters assaulted conservatives as they exited an Americans For Prosperity "Tribute to Ronald Reagan" dinner.

This elderly woman, 78 years old, rode 11 hrs on a bus from Detroit to attend the dinner. After the attack she was taken to hospital with multiple injuries, a bloody nose which developed after the fall, and a large knot on her head. After x-rays and a CAT scan, she was released the following morning with cuts and large bruises."

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 03:35 PM

BB, I watched the video several times. All the Occupy DC folks are facing the other way and chanting as the woman is getting off the bus with several other people behind her, also getting off the bus. One does not see anyone PUSH her. It is far more likely that, on the bottom step of the bus's door, she stumbled and fell.

Fox News and eleventy-fourteen Right-Wing web sites glommed onto it and made a lot of assumptions from no clear evidence. In fact, what evidence there is indicates that she stumbled on the last step. Or was pushed from behind by someone getting off the bus, quite probably by accident.

With lots of folks, the only exercise they get is leaping to conclusions.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 05:27 PM

Otherwise, it looks too much like the clan attacking black families in the south.

Hard to make out if this is a statement from an ignoramus, an idiot, or a jackass.

Perhaps just more BBBS, BBBS.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 05:48 PM

Yeah, there will bo co-opting pf OWS... There will be "plants", however, who will do dumb stuff to try to discredit OWS... Everyone in OWS pledges non-violence, including respecting private property...

I don't recall any protestors going to people homes... I'm sure it has occurred but not enough to make it look copy-cat...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 06:40 PM

As I mentioned above, about the 1999 "Battle in Seattle," somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 people marching and demonstrating peacefully, and some 200 goons from out-of-state try to turn the peaceful demonstration into a riot. Then, of course, the news services dub it the "Battle in Seattle" (very clever!), ignored the tens of thousands of peaceful demonstrators and focused on the smashed plate glass windows, the fires set in Dumpsters, and the riot police and their night-sticks.

And, of course, what those tens of thousands of peaceful demonstrators were protesting about got lost in the clouds of smoke and tear gas.

Someone's fine Machiavellian hand is behind that sort of thing, counting on the idea that the news services are going to gleefully concentrate on any violence that occurs. "If it bleeds, it leads!"

Trying to focus peoples' attention on the few random acts of violence (most of which are manufactured) and blowing them all out of proportion is an attenpt to get people to forget what the demonstration is all about in the first place. Same old same old!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 07:02 PM

Corporate media is out to destroy OWS... It won't give a fair accounting no matter what...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: gnu
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 07:57 PM

Violence in the streets will do no good. Violence in the homes of those that perpetrate the war on the poor will. The governments of the west, on behalf of the rich of the west (and east, north and south), perpetrate same in the houses of the rich in foreign countries. They throw cruise missiles around like toys and subjugate the poor in those foreign lands and in their own lands. Death away and at home.

Fuck Wall Street. Camp on their fucking lawns. And bring some ordinance. Because that might make the fuckers understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 08:09 PM

Yeah... Seems that the DC OWS group is going to march on the homes of the rich... That's a good start...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 09:32 PM

Gnu-
If you're bringing ordinance, make sure the other side doesn't have you out-gunned.