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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Jul 11 - 04:34 PM John P: Who needs to defend something they did not say? You are making statements that you need to defend. Filngin insults is the way the Tea Party haters operate. And finally it is the Democrats who are now overspending and diluting your savings. Did the Tea Party ruin people's retirements in Greece? "Give us what we want or we will shoot this economy!" Who said that? You said it and you are trying to put the words in some else's mouth like when Bobert calls The President a Ni***h and pretends someone else said it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 24 Jul 11 - 04:36 PM Oh, crap! I inadvertently read Sawzaw's post just above. It is as if Bobert, say, living in a neighborhood where there are dozens of dogs wandering around, comments, "Dogs are pooping on my front lawn." Then Sawzaw comes in and demands, "Name which dogs!" They're ALL doing it, Sawz. That's what dogs do-do! Give it a rest. You're attacks on Bobert are doing nothing but making you look even MORE ridiculous. And demonstrates graphically that you, indeed, ARE stalking him. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 24 Jul 11 - 04:40 PM Jeez! He did it again, even before I had a chance to post. PTUI!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:15 PM Do not make the mistake of putting LH in the same category as Sawzaw and GfS. LH has had a consistent persona and handle for many years. GfS and Sazaw change handles and post under other names with impunity. They deserve only to be ignored. LH...I read. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:34 PM Still waiting to see if TIA checked out the sources on the Zfacts link she posted. I didn't say anything about naming dogs. That is your rhetoric at work. Reductio Ad Absurdum. Bobert demands sources, Why can't I? "Whose figures??? Right wing bloggers??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:42 PM "All the $$$ that George Soros has is chump change compared to the Koch brothers..." Bush's last annual budget deficit was for 2009 which was in place when Obama was inaugurated came in at... ...$1.4T Obama's first annual budget deficit for 2010 came in at... ...$1.3T WTF??? Obama actually cut $100B in annual budget deficits with his first budget??? Say it ain't so... I mean, horrors... I mean, that ain't what the right wing bloggers are sayin'... No, they aren't... They skip right on past the inconvenient truths, twist on the numbers and go right back to "accumulated national debt" because they are trying to put the 94 cents on the dollar of national debt that Bush handed off to Obama squarely on Obama... A lot of those 94 cents on the dollar were for Bush's wars and Bush's tax cuts... In other words, the right wing doesn't want people to know the truth... In other words, they are being completely dishonest... "Whose figures??? Left wing bloggers???" 94 cents of every national debt dollar was inherited by Obama... Bills that Bush and Clinton and Daddy Bush and Reagan ran up before Obama was inaugurated... Actually, it's closer to 95 cents but who is counting. "Whose figures??? Left wing bloggers???" Was it Bobert that said: "What's good for the goose is also good for the gander..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:42 PM Reductio ad absurdem is a logical refutation of a spurious argument made by putting different examples into the same format to demonstrate how ludicrous the original argument is. It's not a fallacy. It EXPOSES a fallacy. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:56 PM Yo, GfinS... Homie don't play Sawz games and homie ain't playin' yers either... The info is out there on the koch brothers and FreedomWorks... I don't need to get in no stupid pissing contest with your right wing paid bloggers who would know a fact if it bit them on their dumb asses... Get a life... Learn something new... I bet I read more read newspapers every day than then you, yer bud Sawz and the entire Tea Party... And I read everything... Not just stuff that I agree with... That what open mindedness and intellectual curiosity is about... Nevermind... There was a time when you were 100 times more open minded than you are now... You have shut down your mind... Too bad for you... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Jul 11 - 06:10 PM Your fallacy has been exposed. You try compare my question to dogs shitting in yards. I never said "Name which dogs!". You said it and are trying to put words in my mouth. Now you say that if it would be absurd if your comparison to dogs shitting in yards is rejected. You would do better by actually presenting some facts like you keep treatening to do but never seem to get around to doing. You say my facts are false but you don't have any. You do nothing but make personal attacks. You are trying to start a flame war because you don't have any facts to discuss. Lets stick to the discussion of facts and not personalities or opinions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 24 Jul 11 - 06:11 PM Who needs to defend something they did not say? Unclear. You'll have to be more specific. If, by chance, you are referring to my challenge to GfS to clarify his contradictory remarks, I was blindingly clear about which remarks. You are making statements that you need to defend. Unclear. You'll have to be more specific. Which statements? Filngin insults is the way the Tea Party haters operate. Unclear. You'll have to be more specific. If by some chance you are saying that I was flinging insults, or expressing hatefulness, tell me what struck you that way and I'll tell you why I said it. And finally it is the Democrats who are now overspending and diluting your savings. Yep. They all do it. As of now, I still have some money for retirement. Shutting down the government for uncompromising ideological reasons, however, is a whole different ballgame. A lot of very smart people tell us it could cause a depression and wipe everyone out entirely. You seem to be saying that it is OK for the Tea Party to ruin our economy because Democrats have spent money that didn't have enough revenue to support it. You also, by extension of the logical structure of you statement, seem to be saying the Republicans have been model protectors of our economy. Do you really think so? Did the Tea Party ruin people's retirements in Greece? BZZTT!! Non-sequiter!! Does not compute!! "Give us what we want or we will shoot this economy!" Who said that? You said it and you are trying to put the words in some else's mouth I don't know -- I didn't say it, and didn't say that anyone else said it. Jeez, Lazy McLazy, the post you are responding to was only a few posts ago. Wake up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 24 Jul 11 - 07:01 PM Sawzaw, you are a hopeless nincompoop. By using the example of "dogs pooping in yards," I was not saying that YOU said it, I was giving you a reduction ad absurdum example of your spurious attack on Bobert. As I said, reductio ad absurdum is a logical device for EXPOSING a spurious argument, which YOU keep making against Bobert. You are either writhing like a trapped snake or you are abysmally And as to not having facts, we have presented many facts have been presented to you, but you stubbornly refuse to recognize them as such because you just don't like them. Too bad about you. You must lead a very limited life. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 24 Jul 11 - 07:50 PM Exactly, Don... Rather than produce actual facts on their own the Dynamic-Dupes accept everything they read on the web as the God's honest truth... Ahhhhh, as long as some right wing blogger who is being paid big buck to propagate lies and misinformation for the rich has written it... I don't think that either could actually do much better than Sarah Palin when she was asked, "What newspapers do you read?"... They are caught in the right wing wind tunnel where every bit of so-called news is propaganda and, like their Tea Party heroes, they really couldn't give a flying fuck if what they are being told is the truth or lies or whatever??? This is the maddening part about trying to debate/discuss policy with these people... First, they don't have the educational background to keep up and second, they don't care if the stuff they say has any factual basis... I mean, ignorance is America's BIGGEST enemy and right now it abounds... And these people are so ignorant that they really don't care if America succeeds or fails because they don't know the difference between these to concepts... This isn't meant to be a put down to score points... It's just an observation and a major concern for the future of out country... I mean, deep down inside, I think Charles Manson would make a better Representative than 90% of these Tea Partiers... I mean, yeah, he is crazy so you wouldn't want him to have any guns but I never thought of him as being stupid... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Jul 11 - 10:00 PM "What the Tea Old Party is doing now with the debt limit amounts to terrorism" When it was Obama's time to vote for raising the debt limit in 2006, he voted no. Was he a terrorist for being against raising the debt limit? He said "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better." Sounds exactly like the Tea Party position to me. In 2007 when the Democratically controlled Senate voted to increase the limit by $850 billion and in 2008 when the Democratically controlled Senate voted to increase the limit by $800 billion Obama did not vote against it. He did not vote at all. Too busy doing other things like making campaign promises like reducing the deficit. Obama voted for TARP, which raised debt $700 billion and said it was "a necessary thing to do" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 24 Jul 11 - 10:11 PM Who proposed TARP, Jerko??? 1. Bush 2. Obama Who signed TARP into law, Jerko??? 1. Bush 2. Obama You are eat up stupid & ignorant, Jerko... Carry on, bottom feeders... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Jul 11 - 10:17 PM "I was not saying that YOU said it" But you said "Then Sawzaw comes in and demands, "Name which dogs!"" How do the words get typed into a post if you did not type them in? I did not say those words you put in quotes. You said them. Just like Bobert does when he thinks up some horrible racial slur, puts it in quotes and because it is are in quotes he can pretend someone else said those words and than he can connect them to terrorism, racism, violence etc, based on these made up quotes. Qotes mean that someone actually said these words. Example: Perdue OWL states "The primary function of quotation marks is to set off and represent exact language (either spoken or written) that has come from somebody else." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 24 Jul 11 - 10:32 PM John P Where does GFS claim any one has a liberal idiot conspiracy brainwashed agenda? You are concocting things and challenging them to defend something you claim they said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Little Hawk Date: 24 Jul 11 - 11:45 PM While we're talking about terrorist organizations, why don't we cut to the chase and talk about the really BIG ones! Like...national armies and departments of "defense" in countries that like to fight wars. Know what I mean? Armies. Navies. Air forces. People who drop atomic bombs on cities, invade countries, and kill not just a few thousands, but hundreds of thousands or even millions of people. They are the world's champion terrorists. And they always have been. The others are small potatoes in comparison, and to go so far as to name the Tea Party a terrorist organization is gross hyperbole on a truly ridiculous level. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 25 Jul 11 - 12:28 AM I presume Jerko??? is one of those intelligent, highly educated social worker terms. If it refers to me. "who proposed TARP, Jerko???" Paulson & Bernanke "Who signed TARP into law, Jerko???" George W. Bush on October 3, 2008 Now that I have answered your cordial and respectful questions, please answer mine: Who supported Tarp and said it was a "necessary thing to do" kind Sir? 1 Obama 2 Harry Reid 3 Bobert Hint What political party cast the most Yea votes in the Senate for TARP (39 out of 74). learned professor? 1 Republicans 2 Democrats 3 Independants Hint What political party cast the most Nay votes in the Senate (15 out of 25) ? 1 Republicans 2 Democrats 3 Independants Hint |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Jul 11 - 12:29 AM Sawzaw, the best you can come up with is to raise questions about my punctuation? Me, who spent three years in the University of Washington Department of English and Creative Writing before I changed my major to Music? Me, who has worked as a radio station's news director? Me, whose spent several years working as a technical writer and editor? Me, who has had about thirty magazine articles published? Yeah, I suppose I could have made a punctuation error. It happens. Nevertheless, I did NOT say that YOU said it. I was quoting myself. You missed that? Flunked remedial reading, eh? Too bad! Is that the BEST you've got? Tsk, tsk, tsk. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Jul 11 - 12:37 AM Oh, dear me!! I just made yet ANOTHER boo-boo, this time grammatical. In the sentence that reads "Me, whose spent several years working as a technical writer and editor?" that should read "Me, who spent several years working as a technical writer and editor?" Should I go looking for punctuation mistakes and grammatical errors in your posts, Sawzaw? Well, probably not. You can always blame them on the Right Wing web sites and blogs you cut-and-pasted them from. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Jul 11 - 12:50 AM Ah, yes, well I'll leave you gents alone to fight about how many nits perched on the head of a pin stuck in the body politik...when...where...and whose party those nits belonged to! ;-) Have fun eviscerating one another's personalities at your respective leisure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Jul 11 - 08:56 AM Don Firth, you need to look at this link. You bear part of the blame. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 11 - 09:35 AM Being as there is an over abundance of squirming, and finger pointing, and nasty gibberish, try Googling "'ALEC' Koch"....being as I have to do your homework for you...while you're too busy being partisan, and stupid! Jeez, I can make a better case than you can, AGAINST the Kochs! You're all too busy with petty shit, that's thrown out there, for small minded grazing!!!...I bet YOU didn't know that, did you???!!! What a bunch of ninnies!..including. Soros has the same shit!... So..Do you want Koch's agenda?..or Soros's...or the IMF'?.....Or would any of you be interested in the TRUTH, in the 'news(?) media' and letting the people decide...in this 'so-called' Democracy?????????!!!!!!!!!????!!!! Now shove it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 25 Jul 11 - 09:54 AM Where does GFS claim any one has a liberal idiot conspiracy brainwashed agenda? He didn't. Nor did I say he did, Lazy McLazy. Wake up! Or are you being conversationally obstructionist on purpose? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 25 Jul 11 - 09:59 AM Hey GfS, please tell me how you can claim to want freedom for all Americans and to follow the letter of the Constitution while also inveighing against gay folks having equal treatment under the law and curtailed freedoms. If you want to be part of a discussion you have to reconcile your contradictory statements. Otherwise, no one has any reason to take you seriously, you see. You become nothing up some asshole farting. You don't want that do you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:07 AM VERY funny cartoon, Jack! ;-D I like it. But why stop at merely calling the Tea Party a "Terrorist Organization" in the ridiculous title that labels this thread? How about: BS: The Tea Party a Plot to End ALL LIFE AS WE KNOW IT???? or BS: The Tea Party more dangerous than Hitler on Steroids???? or BS: The Tea Party bent on sucking the blood from virgins and raping minority children???? I mean, hey, folks, let's get right down to calm reason here and address the serious political issues of our time, shall we? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:08 AM Little Hawk: Dante. Sorry, Don, I beat you to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:12 AM Thanks, LH. I think that you in particular might be on shaky ground criticizing hyperbole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:32 AM Well, Jack, my hyperbole is usually done for satirical reasons. I seek to leaven the constant political bile and nastiness around here by making fun of it, thereby perhaps pulling the mask off the darker emotional passions that are driving it. Will it make any difference? Probably not! But then, neither does all the self-righteous raving on these political threads by the soreheads who come here to fight with one another every day make any difference to anything either! So we're all dead even on that, aren't we? We do it simply because it gives our minds something to chew on for the moment...and because we can't resist not doing it. ;-) I know that. I see it plainly. How about you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 11 - 12:49 PM John P: "Hey GfS, please tell me how you can claim to want freedom for all Americans and to follow the letter of the Constitution while also inveighing against gay folks having equal treatment under the law and curtailed freedoms." Like ALL you have to rail about is those who TRUTHFULLY Know what the homosexual is and is NOT! You, and your ilk, seem to ONLY care about that one hot button issue..(as if that is another sign of 'maturity') So here it is, one more fucking time, the homosexual issue is NOT a genetic deal...and no one, not even our illustrious Mr. Firth has produced one shred of evidence linking homosexuality to genes...not even when he produced a link to a study, conducted by a homosexual researcher!!!..who claimed that there was NO conclusive anything of the sort!..THEREFORE, it could not, or cannot be given Constitutional guarantees under the 'race, creed or color clause'!..HOWEVER, they can do just about anything they want to do, under the 'pursuit of happiness' clause. Anyone who argues, that marriage is the same as a 'domestic partnership' is guilty of twisting definitions to fit an agenda. Conversely, those who argue FOR not allowing Homosexuals, to co-habitate, as domestic partners, on religious grounds, are also in error, as so far as 'religious' arguments, are not binding Constitutionally!!! The rest is just some segment of a political wing trying to make hay, and loopholes in the supreme law of the land! Now enough of that stupid and inane bullshit!! Get it? Got it! Good! In regards to the Kochs, Soros, IMF, AND THJE REST of the 'special interests'....as I've been saying for over three years on here, IT IS THE CORRUPTION of our system, and the propagandist's industrialization, in the media owned and influenced by those same, corrupt 'pieces of shit' people, that has the whole of the country completely disoriented! Everybody, at present, is awaiting some sort of 'deal' or resolution in regards to the 'debt ceiling'. Everybody is blaming the 'other party' for holding things up.....HERE IT IS(believe it or not, and argue about it or not)...The 'remedy' is NOT going to be made by a political party, of either side...it will be made BY THE INTERNATIONAL MONEY GUYS, FOR THEIR ADVANTAGE, NOT OURS AND 'DELIVERED' through the 'party system' to the public, and the people WILL NOT be represented, nor allowed to make a choice. In other words, we will be dictated to, sans ANY Democratic process, by and for the furthering agenda of the globalist's bankers, for the purpose of setting into place THEIR system of THEIR control!! You don't like it????...well don't blame me, for telling you the TRUTH! Jeez! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 11 - 12:54 PM Correction of a word...delete the other post, please! John P: "Hey GfS, please tell me how you can claim to want freedom for all Americans and to follow the letter of the Constitution while also inveighing against gay folks having equal treatment under the law and curtailed freedoms." Like ALL you have to rail about is those who TRUTHFULLY Know what the homosexual is and is NOT! You, and your ilk, seem to ONLY care about that one hot button issue..(as if that is another sign of 'maturity') So here it is, one more fucking time, the homosexual issue is NOT a genetic deal...and no one, not even our illustrious Mr. Firth has produced one shred of evidence linking homosexuality to genes...not even when he produced a link to a study, conducted by a homosexual researcher!!!..who claimed that there was NO conclusive anything of the sort!..THEREFORE, it could not, or cannot be given Constitutional guarantees under the 'race, creed or color clause'!..HOWEVER, they can do just about anything they want to do, under the 'pursuit of happiness' clause. Anyone who argues, that marriage is the same as a 'domestic partnership' is guilty of twisting definitions to fit an agenda. Conversely, those who argue FOR not allowing Homosexuals, to co-habitate, as domestic partners, on religious grounds, are also in error, as so far as 'religious' arguments, are not binding Constitutionally!!! The rest is just some segment of a political wing trying to make hay, and loopholes in the supreme law of the land! Now enough of that stupid and inane bullshit!! Get it? Got it! Good! In regards to the Kochs, Soros, IMF, AND THJE REST of the 'special interests'....as I've been saying for over three years on here, IT IS THE CORRUPTION of our system, and the propagandist's indoctrination, in the media owned and influenced by those same, corrupt 'pieces of shit' people, that has the whole of the country completely disoriented! Everybody, at present, is awaiting some sort of 'deal' or resolution in regards to the 'debt ceiling'. Everybody is blaming the 'other party' for holding things up.....HERE IT IS(believe it or not, and argue about it or not)...The 'remedy' is NOT going to be made by a political party, of either side...it will be made BY THE INTERNATIONAL MONEY GUYS, FOR THEIR ADVANTAGE, NOT OURS AND 'DELIVERED' through the 'party system' to the public, and the people WILL NOT be represented, nor allowed to make a choice. In other words, we will be dictated to, sans ANY Democratic process, by and for the furthering agenda of the globalist's bankers, for the purpose of setting into place THEIR system of THEIR control!! You don't like it????...well don't blame me, for telling you the TRUTH! Jeez! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Jul 11 - 01:01 PM I see the humour in you mocking hyperbole. I enjoy the irony? Isn't that enough? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 11 - 01:22 PM Gettin' ***NOISY*** in here... Guess some folks think that if they ***SCREAM*** loud enough it will make their arguments correct... Seems over my life time the folks who have to scream are the ones who are the most wrong... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 11 - 02:02 PM Bobert: "Guess some folks think that if they ***SCREAM*** loud enough it will make their arguments correct... Seems over my life time the folks who have to scream are the ones who are the most wrong..." I'm sure that most of your life people have been screaming at you! ...and I'm not wrong,...as you know! Until then, "Silences is golden...duct tape it silver"!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 25 Jul 11 - 02:28 PM Now enough of that stupid and inane bullshit!! Get it? Got it! Good! Well, no, I still don't get it. You haven't explained why -- whether gays are that way genetically or not -- you claim to want freedom for all Americans but want to limit freedom for some Americans. Perhaps we should take another tack: What is you definition of "freedom" as it applies to Americans' belief that we are the "Land of the Free"? What does this freedom mean to you? Should all the freedoms any of us enjoy be applied to all of us, as we are promised in the Constitution? If not, why not? I know that the right wing has tried to make the concept of a nuanced response into some sort of nancy-boy response, but those of us who want to solve actual problems understand that these are big, complicated issues that can't be solved with slogans and quick answers. The big problem with your positions on the Constitutionality of gay marriage is that it only goes to the first, most basic exchange of ideas on the subject: "They don't deserve it!" seems to be your basic message. You don't seem to be able to address the 2nd point that comes up (which is "why not", in case you want to know), much less the tenth. Sorry, you can blow me off as much as you want, but your inability or unwillingness to reconcile your own contradictory statements turns you into the farting asshole I mentioned earlier. Screaming "FREEDOM" without any real desire for freedom for all is just hypocritical and rather stupid sounding. No one will take you seriously as an intelligent human being. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Jul 11 - 02:42 PM GfS, you are, indeed, a liar. Or you, too, flunked remedial reading. I never said that same-sex orientation is genetic. I said—and cited a number of articles (Scientific American, for example), presenting the case that there is strong evidence to indicate that sexual orientation is genetic, although as yet the genes themselves have not been located. There ARE differences between the brain structures of heterosexuals and homosexuals, but at this point it is not known for certain if these differences are the cause or the result. That is a scientific and carefully reasoned position at this stage of the research, holding ultimate conclusions in abeyance, pending further research. You, on the other hand, have claimed unequivocally that homosexuality is a matter of free choice, and that it can be cured through counseling— And then, you went on to claim that YOU were a counselor and HAVE cured homosexuals of their homosexuality. By the way, don't try to deny that you claimed this, because I can link people to the posts where you said it. In carefully monitored studies of attempts to "cure" homosexuality through counseling, often including such methods as "aversion therapy" (Example: presenting some manner of homoerotic stimulus and then subjecting the patient to electric shock), the figures indicated that the counseling and therapy were either totally ineffective or were actually psychologically damaging to the subject. Out of two hundred subjects, after the course of treatment, there was, within a few months, a 68% recidivism rate, some 23% abstained from sex altogether, determining to remain celibate, about 30% (note that these percentages are not exclusive; there were overlaps) had to be treated for severe depression, and six of the subjects committed suicide. Other attempts at "conversion therapy" have produced similar results. So much for "curing" same-sex orientation through counseling. By the way, GfS, if you were EVER any kind of counselor, then I am the Grand Exalted PooBah of the Nine Galaxies! And, GfS, before you try to do a riff on me, I am not homosexual, never have been homosexual, don't plan on becoming homosexual, and have never engaged in any kind of homosexual relationship or activity. And I have been happily married—to a woman of great loveliness and talent—for thirty-four years. You, on the other hand, have indicated in former threads (although you later denied it) that you have very good reason to be afraid of your own genetic make-up, hence your knee-jerk reaction to any mention of the possibility that genes have anything to do with sexual orientation. Stop chewing your fingernails. It's a nervous habit and it's unsightly. Don Firth P. S. New York State has just taken a long step toward civilization. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 11 - 04:14 PM Don Firth: " GfS, you are, indeed, a liar. Or you, too, flunked remedial reading. I never said that same-sex orientation is genetic. I said—and cited a number of articles (Scientific American, for example), presenting the case that there is strong evidence to indicate that sexual orientation is genetic, although as yet the genes themselves have not been located. There ARE differences between the brain structures of heterosexuals and homosexuals, but at this point it is not known for certain if these differences are the cause or the result. That is a scientific and carefully reasoned position at this stage of the research, holding ultimate conclusions in abeyance, pending further research. You, on the other hand, have claimed unequivocally that homosexuality is a matter of free choice, and that it can be cured through counseling— And then, you went on to claim that YOU were a counselor and HAVE cured homosexuals of their homosexuality. By the way, don't try to deny that you claimed this, because I can link people to the posts where you said it." YOU ARE A LIAR!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 11 - 04:22 PM Wow... Someone needs to take a chill pill... And it ain't don... Hmmmmmm??? Who could it be??? B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Jul 11 - 04:38 PM Tell you what, GfS, I can go and get your posts from the Prop 8 thread and either link to them or cut and paste them here, so that people can verify for themselves just who the liar is. I'd be happy to do it for you. Or would you prefer to just get off this bus and save yourself a whole septic tank full of embarrassment? Your choice. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 25 Jul 11 - 04:45 PM Hey, he is having a good time. Is it at the expense of someone eles' sensibilities and feelings? Probably. When actual sanity prevails I suggest we try to embrace the tea party that lives in various members to perhaps disuade the contemptuous cultural competition and selfishness that often leads to sensless shootings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 11 - 06:11 PM Do it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Jul 11 - 06:22 PM Okey dokey. It'll take a bit of time because the thread where you made these self-revelatory statements runs over 4,000 posts, but my afternoon is fairly loose. Might be later this afternoon or tomorrow morning, but just remember, you asked for it! Boy, is this gonna be a snort! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 25 Jul 11 - 08:42 PM I suggest we try to embrace the tea party Hmmm.....embrace ignorance, stupidity, cupidity & lies. Don't see how that'll help much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 25 Jul 11 - 09:00 PM AHA thank you Greg, that is a good question. When dealing with a group of repressed men who have deep affection for secret societies and a love affair with guns we have to first know they exist and second open them up to any kind of communication to have any hope of educating or defusing the dark violence that is both real and inevitable from such men. Stig Larsen wrote about the dark right wing in the crevides of Scandanavian society. He recieved many death threats in response to his two novels. What percentage of the US Tea Party has a similar potential as the Norwegian Nationaist terrorists I do not know. But I do know that a dialog has advantages with such people while shootings and jail is a response that comes too late. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 25 Jul 11 - 09:12 PM But I do know that a dialog has advantages with such people... I can't see how trying to have a rational dialog with ignorant idiots, lunatics and psychopaths would help much, either. Assuming its even possible- which I doubt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 11 - 09:19 PM While you're sniffing, find this one, too: Don posts: "You, on the other hand, have indicated in former threads (although you later denied it) that you have very good reason to be afraid of your own genetic make-up, hence your knee-jerk reaction to any mention of the possibility that genes have anything to do with sexual orientation." Anyone can say anything, and you put words in people's mouths, that they NEVER said!..but proving, the words YOU say I said, as shown earlier in this thread, becomes quite another thing! ...and you've been called on this dumb tactic of yours, before.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:19 PM PPFFTT! Whew! That stinks. GfS, PLEASE stop farting in public. That's all you're doing, you know, until you can explain why you, like the Tea Party, talk a lot about freedom and the Constitution but don't have the ability or the willingness to articulate what freedom really means or what the Constitution actually says. You and they both claim to love America, but clearly don't like Americans. PPFFTT! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:27 PM John Petty:"....Constitution but don't have the ability or the willingness to articulate what freedom really means or what the Constitution actually says." Like being forced to buy health insurance???? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:35 PM Doing or saying nothing is a prescription for the domestic terrorists to act out thier plans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: John P Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:56 PM Like being forced to buy health insurance???? Ah yes, the old shift the ground and attack on another topic ploy. Always useful when you can't make a rational response to the actual conversation. PPPFFTT! More farting in public, GfS. |