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Subject: BS: Help computer question! From: skipy Date: 28 Feb 08 - 04:25 PM Hi, someone out there must know the answer to this one! I am forever typeing things in the wrong case! As I type everytthing on Ebay in UPPER CASE & then have to reply to a question I end up typeing it with the capslock engaged, thus I have to delete, drop the capslock off & retype. Is there a convert UPPER to lower control + ? setting? Skipy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! From: number 6 Date: 28 Feb 08 - 04:32 PM Isn't the biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Feb 08 - 04:32 PM I don't think there's any built-in conversion tool. Thee obviously ought to be, on the lines of a spell checker. But this provides a way of doing it - Convert Case. Slightly less convenient, but could be useful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! From: number 6 Date: 28 Feb 08 - 04:33 PM Now I get the problem ... I don't think there a conversion tool ... but I'll be watching this thread to find out if there is. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! From: ClaireBear Date: 28 Feb 08 - 04:38 PM I suppose you could paste into MS Word (which does have such a tool, make your correction, and then plop the corrected text back into wherever. But that's a bit of a bother. Cheers, C |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Feb 08 - 04:50 PM I never knew that - thanks. Just tried it now. It could be very useful. Who knows - maybe there is some Firefox extension that does the job as well... Save us from accidentally shouting at people here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bill D Date: 28 Feb 08 - 05:10 PM sure there is a program...more than one. simplest is http://www.kuhj.com/down/capsdown.htm One that does more stuff is Text Magician (scroll down) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Don Firth Date: 28 Feb 08 - 07:28 PM That should be something in your word processing program. I don't know which one you use, but if it's Microsoft Word, highlight the text whose case you want to change, click on "Format" on the toolbar. On the pull-down menu, click on "Change case. . ." and chose the option you want. Bingo! Done! Or even simpler: highlight the text and press "Shift-F3." On WordPerfect, highlight the text, click on "Edit," then "Convert case." Not quite as many options, but it'll do the job. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lo From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Feb 08 - 07:44 PM Doing it within a word processing program is easy enough (as I've just learned from Claire Bear's post). But how about doing it within a browser, for example when writing posts to the Mudcat? Do those programs Bill D mentioned enable that? (I know I could find out by trying them out, but I'm trying to cut down on downloads unless I'm sure I need them.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Don Firth Date: 28 Feb 08 - 07:49 PM Unless it's something pretty short, I tend to write posts in MS Word first, then cut-and-paste to the Mudcat message box. Word's spell-check catches typos I'm laible to miss otherwise. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lo From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Feb 08 - 08:02 PM Firefox has a built in spell-checker (it can be turned off - I don't know if it's on as a default or if you have to set it in the first place. Under Tools/options). I agree it's better to write longer posts in Word or whatever, because it's too damn easy to lose them or send them prematurely when you write them in the browser. Well it would be better, but I don't do it generally. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: JohnInKansas Date: 28 Feb 08 - 10:37 PM If you use Word for your input, the Shift-F3 routine will roll you through lower case, to initial caps, to upper case, and back to lower case. You can also set, in Tools|Autocorrect Options, on the Autocorrect tab, to "correct double initial capitals" and "correct shift key errors." LOts of people seem to have a tendency to get "double caps" at the start of sentences. FOr most, it's sloppy keying, but of course in my case it's because of a defective SHi(f)t key. If you use the shift key normally, but caps lock is on you'd get iF YOU USE THE SHIFT ..., in which case the "correct shift key errors" setting will automatically "reverse" the effect of the shift for what you've typed and will automatically turn off Caps-Lock, usually within two or three key strokes. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lo From: Amos Date: 28 Feb 08 - 10:48 PM There are programs that will disable your CapsLock key, as well. Most people have no problem holding down the shift key when they really want all caps, which is rare. The CapsLock key is a ryal pain for most purposes. I used to take mine off the key board and cover the stub with a plastic shield. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lo From: mrdux Date: 29 Feb 08 - 12:17 AM in Wordperfect, under Tools/Quick Correct/Format-as-you-Go, there is a CapsFix function that "corrects accidental usage of cAPS LOCK key." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Feb 08 - 05:16 AM Some years ago, Lin got a panic call from a friend who'd written a book, had it reviewed by several friends, had a contract with a publisher and printer, and needed some help with "final setup." She agreed to help him, but when the "book" arrived, we learned that he had typed the entire book in upper case (Caps lock on) because "he thought it would be easier for the reviewers to read." The book was on 5.25" floppies, mostly one chapter per floppy. At the time we had one DOS computer with Word (DOS) and one with Windows 3.11 also with WinWord and Pagemaker. The drop-dead date for getting it back to the printer gave us 3 days to convert everything, proof, do the layout, and produce the postscript print files that were then the common book publishing "printer input," and get it express mailed to the printer. Fortunately, it was "only about 900 pages." The basic conversion to all lower case was simple enough with the Word "case-flip" but the exceptions for names and place names that need initial caps was a b!tch. (We used a lot of "global replace" edits.) We got it done and to the printer, just barely; but it was not something you'd want to do on a regular basis. We never heard whether The History of Alcoholics Anonymous in West Virginia** ever made the best seller lists, but I think we can guess that the author probably bought most of the copies that got sold, at least the first year. At least it's history now, and the author was about the "last one standing" with the first hand knowledge to write it. ** I'm guessing on the title, but I think that's close. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bill D Date: 29 Feb 08 - 12:12 PM The 1st program I noted is tiny and dead simple...\ If you type a bunch of stuff in UPPERCASE, you simply cut it to the clipboard (of course, the CapsDown program must be running) and re-paste it in lower case. Then you change any needed characters to uppercase. (Usually only the 1st letter on the sentence) I know that I used to have a program that monitored what you typed and allowed toggling of the capslock key (to be on or off). I seldom used it, as I am not a touch typist and seldom type more than 2-3 wrong letters before I notice. On my old PC, the capslock key had a lowered area next to the A, so that you had to be WAY off to hit it accidently....this fancy keyboard I have now has a teeny little indentation that is almost useless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bill D Date: 29 Feb 08 - 12:27 PM ahh...I knew it! Take a look at FirstCap. It beeps at you when you hit the capslock key...you control the # of beeps. Then, it allows you to disable capslock totally...or when using certain programs....or for a specified length of time. It has several other settings. I just re-downloaded it for this machine and will see if it helps. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bill D Date: 29 Feb 08 - 03:17 PM It works fine on XP..and in advanced options you can choose other sounds...even .wav files...to warn you. It can also be linked to the 'insert' key...and with a different warning sound. I often have problems with wiping out what I have typed. (also can be linked with 'num-lock' key, but that is not usually a serious problem for me) There is a hot-key combo to turn the program OFF..(like I'm sure I'll have to do for my wife, who types well & fast and doesn't like little 'beeps' when she's working.. ;>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bee Date: 29 Feb 08 - 03:34 PM JiK, I feel your pain. Probably near the same time period, I worked for two years for a publisher of monthly business and trade tabloids, with a side of tourism guides. I DTP'd all of them in WIN 3.1, Pagemaker2, plus ads embellished with the first CorelDraw program. I also did all the paste up of pages, photos and ads, and the colour separations manually, using Rubylith, exacto blades and lots of wax. I also did all the proofreading. I can just imagine what a job yours must have been... 900 pages! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Feb 08 - 04:18 PM Ah, but Bee - it was soooooooo fascinating1 to get to read2 such great history that hardly anyone else will ever get to see. 1 Note: SARCASM 2 And I know a good proofer doesn't "read" what's being proofed - but you do have to absorb enough to get continuity and footnotes straight. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: My guru always said Date: 01 Mar 08 - 04:15 AM Hey Dave, try looking at the screen as you type *grin* Love & Hugs, Hil x |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Mar 08 - 12:12 PM Skipy, I think you need to go back to the core problem. Why are you typing all of your eBay entries in all caps? I can tell you that it is annoying as hell to read and much harder to distinguish than lower case. Look at the studies that show how people recognize words by the shape, the number of extensions above and below a median line. Even when they are misspelled. All caps looks like you're shouting, and it frankly looks like you don't know any better. You're better off typing everything lower case if you want to type in just one format. Really. Stop using all caps at eBay and this problem will go away. If you have typed in all caps and forget to change it, why aren't you looking at the screen as you type your response and noticing the problem right away? Do you type hunt and peck by looking at the keyboard instead of as a touch typist, looking at the screen instead? Maybe you should consider trying to adjust your keyboard skills. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: skipy Date: 01 Mar 08 - 04:00 PM Hi Hil, I do that but if I have even typed just a few letters, it pisses me off! Skipy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Mar 08 - 12:49 AM I could have sworn that other response about looking at the screen when typing wasn't there when I posted my response. I guess I needed to look at the screen. . . :-/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bill D Date: 02 Mar 08 - 10:29 AM it I LOOKLat tje xscriin, thid is wshat I get |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lo From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Mar 08 - 10:49 AM But you know when you've done that, don't you, Bill D? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bill D Date: 02 Mar 08 - 01:20 PM sure...AFTER I type. (I have this new split keyboard which allows me to 'almost' type normally, and I am practicing ... but mostly, I LOOK at my fingers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: JohnInKansas Date: 02 Mar 08 - 03:14 PM but mostly, I LOOK at my fingers Same way he plays music ... (?) John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bill D Date: 02 Mar 08 - 05:47 PM Guitar & banjo players look at their fingers! Autoharp players just swipe in the general area of the note. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lo From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 02 Mar 08 - 11:39 PM Keyboard players look at the music! Pipe Organ players are trained to never look at their feet - well only twice each they play actually: once when you sit down and once when you get up - this is so you don't trip and fall! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Jul 08 - 06:18 AM There is a fairly new Firefox addon - called LeetKey It allows many text transformations, including UPPER 2 lower case and vice versa. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Jul 08 - 07:25 AM One eye on the screen, one on the keyboard would be good, but I've never learned how to do that... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: artbrooks Date: 29 Jul 08 - 08:23 AM Thia hasn't been a regular problem for me (even though I don't look at the screen as I type), but I just got a new wireless keyboard that has the cap lock/num lock lights on the transmitter rather than the keyboard. Dumb design - Microsoft, of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bill D Date: 29 Jul 08 - 11:48 AM Here is another extremely useful little program for manipulating text. Columnizer (freeware). One of the things is will do is do various operations on case. (Not as quickly as the earlier one I noted, but if you are working with a longer file, it can save you MUCH effort.) It will do so many tricks I can't even list them. see this screen capture for some idea It takes a bit of getting used to the interface, (you have to 'mouse over' the menu), but if you type, edit and create columns and need to number lines...etc., it is amazing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Jul 08 - 03:56 PM Just a note here for those who might be interested. I've been forced to Office 2007 because "critical patches" to Windows made my old Word version unusable. In Word 2007, there no longer is a "flag" on the lower toolbar to show when Caps Lock or Insert keys are toggled. You can setup Autocorrect to detect (usually) when you've accidentally turned on Caps Lock, and you also have an "indicator light" on most keyboards that you can look for to tell, before you start typing, whether Caps Lock is on. THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL before you start typing whether you've toggled to the "insert new characters" or to the "overtype existing characters" mode. It's a "feature," apparently, based on the assumption that Microsoft programs are only to be used by idiots who don't use all those buttons. The other side of the "feature" is FIFTY SEVEN (I counted them) untintelligible, indistinguishable, and useless icons on the top toolbar, with all the useful features scattered randomly at lower tiers of menus to make sure that you DON'T TRY TO USE THEM (because you're supposed to be an idiot or you wouldn't be using the "new" Microsoft programs.) But highlight and Shift-F3 still toggles the case of highlighted text selections, although it's now an undocumented feature so far as I can tell. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bill D Date: 29 Jul 08 - 04:48 PM John...several nice programs I have used for awhile have been 'dumbed down' in later incarnations, as you say, to cater to idiots who can't deal with too many options or just simplistic folks who can't be bothered to look at the menus. Even my favorite browser, Opera, has had stuff removed & changed. 'Sometimes' is just the default behavior that's altered, and I can find the original setting, but in some cases they have altered the very lowest-level behavior...(where the cursor moves and how page location is saved in 'forward & back' navigation. Fortunately, older versions of Opera are still available and can be run right beside the fancy new version if I have a mind to...(and I often do!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Jul 08 - 06:01 PM I find I'm still able to use Word 98 even though my PC, which uses Windows XP, doesn't really seem to approve. I installed an up to date version a few months back, but I just couldn't stand it, and got rid of it. "Striving to better oft we mar what's well" - Shakespeare knew what he was talking about. They should stick that one up on the wall of every computer programmer and hardware designer. But then, where's the money in sticking with stuff that's good enough? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: JohnInKansas Date: 29 Jul 08 - 07:12 PM Vista is fine for people who have ONE computer and just want to hook up to the internet so they can plagiarize Wikepedia for grade-school book reports, or just want to download TV shows and music (paid for, of course). It probably also is "not too bad" for an ENTERPRISE business with good professional Tech Support dedicated to setting up hundred machine networks. It's a RPI for people like me with "one computer" consisting of fewer than a half-dozen machines, and maybe about that many printers/scanners, etc. And Microsoft provides absolutely no helpful information for those of us in the "middle range" category. Office 2007 is also just fine for the plagiarizing kid, or for the enterprise office with someone to set up "standard forms" for everything. In my business (fading but still sort of existing) I REQUIRE the ability to create new style sheets that conform to each customer's requirements, and to conform to disparate contractual requirements often "quite peculiar." Office 2007 has not only splattered existing functions in weird places throughout the vast and illogically constructed menu system, they have REMOVED or DISABLED features that were very commonly used in prior versions. I don't mind "learning a new program" if it does something better, but the new Office simply doesn't do ANYTHING very well. But Microsoft is going to "fix Vista." They have announced a new campaign with "all new advertising." (No mention of new support.) Successor systems are due for release within about 3 years now. If Vista is any indication, even the IDIOTS won't be able to use the next one. [Sidebar 1: Gateway has just announced they will no longer offer web or 'phone sales. Take what you can find on the shelf at Best Buy or just go away.] [Sidebar 2: Recent surveys show that new malware exploits are commonly (>80% of the time) appearing wild on the web within 24 hours of "first find" of a new vulnerability. NOT LIMITED TO MICROSOFT PRODUCTS.] John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 30 Jul 08 - 11:59 AM donthompsontryingsomethingout |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 30 Jul 08 - 12:06 PM Didn't work DT |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 30 Jul 08 - 07:24 PM DONTHOMPSONTRYINGSOMETHINGOUT tuognihtemosgniyrtnospmohtnod d0n7h0mp50n7ry1n650m37h1n60u7 ejxGdhsBITAhITAhLTVvhdEhMCFxBBjjdb80+40hNDUh1C3PB43jYpp2aU1p3ZrW IF1ev9jyx/25qEe4COtWq3Waj08oPSoueUMKo27iCGc= 0a 64 6f 6e 74 68 6f 6d 70 73 6f 6e 74 72 79 69 6e 67 73 6f 6d 65 74 68 69 6e 67 6f 75 74 01100100 01101111 01101110 01110100 01101000 01101111 01101101 01110000 01110011 01101111 01101110 01110100 01110010 01111001 01101001 01101110 01100111 01110011 01101111 01101101 01100101 01110100 01101000 01101001 01101110 01100111 01101111 01110101 01110100 00100000 -.. --- -. - .... --- -- .--. ... --- -. - .-. -.-- .. -. --. ... --- -- . - .... .. -. --. --- ..- - qbagubzcfbagelvatfbzrguvatbhg ZG9udGhvbXBzb250cnlpbmdzb21ldGhpbmdvdXQ= Having fun with LeetKey... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Penny S. Date: 27 Aug 08 - 03:35 AM I've just checked out OpenOffice - or rather StarSuite which came with my Asus Eeepc. No button based switch, but a menu item. Format, then Change Case. Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Aug 08 - 06:01 PM Why, oh why, oh why, oh why, don't people just use Unix? dd if=input.txt of=output.txt conv=lcase Easy. :D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bill D Date: 27 Aug 08 - 06:18 PM because, Dave, Unix/Linux requires more involvement in 'how' it all works. I started messing with computers late..(12 years ago)..and I carefully avoid learning DOS, Unix..etc. My entire being is oriented toward a GUI and programs with menus. You might as well say that it is simpler to drive cars with a choke, throttle, and 3 speed stick shift. (Oh, I CAN still drive a stick-shift...but...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lo From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 27 Aug 08 - 06:49 PM "Why, oh why, oh why, oh why, don't people just use Unix? dd if=input.txt of=output.txt conv=lcase" I am an old UNIX 'Guru/wanker' from nearly 30 years ago. Your example is useless for most of my needs. I want to (using visual feedback) highlight a small section of text, and manipulate it to 1) All upper case 2) All lower case 3) All in Word Capitalisation 4) Inversion of case 5) and there are many other 'Chindogu' style manipulations that one has occasional need to use, but on only small selected (visual is easiest/fastest) portions of text, not a whole file stream. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lower From: Bill D Date: 27 Aug 08 - 07:26 PM All in Word Capitalisation done as fast as I could choose the operation in CapSHIFT ALL IN WORD CAPITALISATION AlL In WoRD capITaLISaTION all in word capitalisation |
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Subject: RE: BS: Help computer question! Convert UPPER 2 lo From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 27 Aug 08 - 09:32 PM Bill I assume those are all Win apps - usable on 98SE? I'm moving gradually to Linux anyway (probably KUBUNTU rather than Fedora Gnome...) - but SOME might be useful under WINE? |
