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Concert Etiquette

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Maryrrf 08 Aug 09 - 03:44 PM
Leadfingers 08 Aug 09 - 04:06 PM
harpmolly 08 Aug 09 - 04:24 PM
Don Firth 08 Aug 09 - 04:54 PM
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mg 08 Aug 09 - 05:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Maryrrf
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 03:44 PM

I would say no dancing unless the performing artist specifically says it's okay.


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:06 PM

Having just had a week of twice a day mixed sessions at Sidmouth , if No One joined in , we would think something was wrong ! Though I DID stop when one fiddle scraper (Should have stayed with his melodeon IMO) only played one C part in a tune I was leading ! IF its a Session , LISTEN !!!! Dont just play/bellow with no thought to what the leader is doing !


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: harpmolly
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:24 PM

I'm still a little conflicted about it. On the one hand, it WAS distracting, at least to me (especially when she was dancing right by the stage...I mean, COME ON!!) On the other hand...I think I may have been indulging in some pretty prideful and presumptuous behavior, as at least part of my motivation was to "protect Bruce" and it really wasn't my place to do that.

But yeah...in a different setting, or if he had himself encouraged people to get up and dance, it wouldn't have bothered me (I would've been right up there with her). So, I don't know. Someday I'll get to be at peace with it, I suppose. :)


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:54 PM

I've taken in all kinds of musical performances over the years. In addition to hearing folk musicians in different venues, from coffeehouses to concerts in full-blown concert halls, I've attended symphony concerts, opera, instrumental and vocal recitals, chamber music, early music (both vocal and instrumental), just about everything but "auditorium rock."

Other than some—some, not all—performances of folk music, I rarely hear performers ask for audience participation. And only rarely do I hear audience members singing or humming along unless specifically asked by the performer. On one occasion, while attending a performance by a small opera company (a full length production of "Rigoletto" sung by young student singers—a monumental task brought off nicely by a group of young hopefuls), one of the less sophisticated audience members started to alternately whistle and hum when the soprano's big aria (Caro Nome) came along. About four measures into it, other audience members within arm's length reached over and offered to strangle the whistler. Under duress, he got the message and shut his big yap.

I have heard the likes of Ewan MacColl hold an audience of 1,600 silently enthralled as he sang ballads (unaccompanied). Joan Baez, Peggy Seeger, Gordon Bok, many others, whose singing was such that the audience wanted to sit quietly (and for others to sit quietly) and listen.

Custer La Rue of the Baltimore Consort, singing English folk songs to the accompaniment of Ronn MacFarlane on the lute. Had anyone tried to join in, other audience members would have sat on the offender's face, or ushers would have duck-walked him or her out the nearest exit.

Some singers of folk songs (most notably, Pete Seeger) want people to join in and encourage them to do so.

But even Pete Seeger does not have the authority to give people carte blanche to join in whenever, or with whomever, they please.

Much folk music is participatory. But much of it is not, requiring, for one's own full enjoyment, and out of regard for the enjoyment of the other members of the audience, that one put a sock in it!!

There are situations where audience participation is appropriate. But there are many situations and circumstances in which it is not. One should try to exercise a little judgment.

Just because it's folk music, does that mean that we can divest ourselves of the restraints of civilized human beings?

[Now that I've thoroughly pissed off a fair percentage of people, I'll move on and check back later.]

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: harpmolly
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 05:01 PM

*wild applause*

(asking people to exercise personal judgement? gee, I don't know, Don...;))


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: mg
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 05:02 PM

I think if the dancers are in a venue unknown to them they should dance in the back and not in the front of the stage..but if it is standard practice have at it. mg


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 05:12 PM

In UK , its almost MANDATORY to join in choruses , but NOT with the verses ! And that includes major concert venues , not just Folk clubs


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 05:14 PM

"Sing something we can dance to. Sing 'Lord Randal'!"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Amergin
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 06:20 PM

I dunno, Molly, I saw the Battlefield Band last February over in Forest Grove...Alan Reid said that if anyone gets the urge to get up and dance go ahead and do it, we could always do with a good laugh...

My feeling is that if people want to dance, since it is showing an enjoyment of the music, then great....I don't feel it detracts, but enhances the artist's performance....for example I have seen people up by the stage signing the artist's words, and they are literally dancing while they do it...I think it is awesome...

however if some one is singing along to the words...and loudly, and annoyingly...you should have the right to tell them to shut it.


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Deckman
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 09:20 PM

We've had an interesting example over the last couple of years in Everett, Washington. The Pacific Northwest Folklore Society has hosted something like 18 different folk performers in public concerts at our Everett library. These concerts are quite popular and many audience members return for each concert.

There is one lady, who's name I don't know yet, who always shows up and sings along ... with EVERY SONG PERFORMED! She appears to be as rehearsed as the performer. She seems to know the words to songs that were only written LAST WEEK! She sits close to the rear of the audience, yet she's like a second voice. It's truly weird and somewhat disturbing.

Some of the performers have engadged her in conversation afterwards, and it appears that she's one of those rare gifted persons who can hear a word, sing pitch, a note, a split second after the performer does it.

It kinda throws me off a little when I'm singing, but none of the performers have complained. I watch her as she leaves the concert hall and just wonder how in the heck she does that? Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 09:28 PM

"Concert Etiquette"

Don't fart loudly. IF you do, quickly glare at the person to your left, shake your head and go back to the performance. I did that a year ago and Jeri Corlew hit me when we got off the stage. fyi.


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 09:40 PM

Yep. Never slug somebody whilst on stage.
Bob, I can do that. I sing harmonies with songs I've never heard before. I try not to unless I have some sort of excuse such as being drunk or everyone else being drunk, because that split second can really be noticeable.


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: GUEST,Ana
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 10:58 PM

I have a group of women friends who play very tightly arranged and often gentle celtic pieces. They were booked to play for an hour at a fairly big gig (beer hall). Mid way through their 2nd to last song a man from the next act began to rearrange the stage around them. One couldn't bare it any longer so confronted him. He shoved her away....and she (involuntarily I understand) knee'd him. Suffice it say, he's rumoured to now only be able to play the piccolo.


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 05:27 PM

I hope I am not repeating a previous point...

In my opinion.... joining in choruses when a chorus song is performed is to be expected, why else sing a chorus song? BUT... singing a different chorus, or hijacking th echorus is not acceptable.

Participating in repartee is acceptable, as long as it is in the context of the perfomance. Abusive heckling is not acceptable.

People who pay money to go to a folk performance should be aware that folk often has joining-inny bits and if they don't like people joining in the jining-inny bits then maybe they should save their moey to go to performances with no joining-inny bits.


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 05:50 PM

"People who pay money to go to a folk performance should be aware that folk often has joining-inny bits and if they don't like people joining in the jining-inny bits then maybe they should save their moey to go to performances with no joining-inny bits."

Lets just go back to the start of the thread. This doesn't sound like a "folk performance" but rather a performance by a specialist period music band who happen to be well known on the folk scene. Context is everything


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 11:19 AM

For me it would be a courtesy if sound engineers didn't insist on playing recorded music, however good or bad, during the intervals in a concert and at the close.

Recorded music has its place, but not at a live performance except in the form of CDs for sale.

Valmai


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Will Fly
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 11:57 AM

Coincidentally, Alan Day has posted a comment on the Concertina.net forum about the difficulties of playing at a singaround (not a session) with most of the company singing along or humming the tune. I was accompanying Al last night at this particular singaround, and I was aware that Al had been distracted slightly by the joining-in - but not so much as to impair his performance, IMO. In any case, I was there to keep the tune structure intact, and my parts weren't as complex as his.

I have to say that, for such a good crowd to join in singing instantly and spontaneously, almost as soon as the tune had started, was a tremendous compliment, and there was a huge round of applause afterwards. So a success, in my view - but I was playing guitar, not a 38-button Jefferies!


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 12:09 PM

Since a new thread of this topic appears every few months or so, I have come to the conclusion that when it's posted from a USer it is a request for discussion and possible policy guidance, and when it's from a UKer it's more usually a polite way of trying to let people in their area/social circle know what is preferred. This is because in the US, if I post this topic (for example) it is highly unlikely due to geographic scale that anyone I attend a concert with will see my post; in the UK where everything is so much closer-by, it's VERY likely that a fellow concert-goer will be looking in on the thread-originator's post.

These threads all tend to say much the same thing, so since an older thread is not usually refreshed to add a new comment, but a new one started, apparently it's just like "what is folk music" as a topic-- no definitive answer is possible and it's not possible to make everyone hapopy no matter what the effort. But fascination, bigtime.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: SharonA
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 03:23 PM

Thanks to those who commented on my post of August 6th and offered sympathy and encouragement! I'm going to need it!

Maryrrf: Indeed we do have some VERY enthusiastic singers in our group! In fact, I have been one of them!! Over time I've had to learn (sometimes the hard way) how annoying this can be to others. I think that the best thing in my favor, as I prepare to implement the club's new policy uber-diplomatically, is that the members know I will be fighting the impulse to sing along just as hard as they will.

To answer permanent guest Russ' questions:

"Why does your group NOT think that it is the performer's call?" It's not that the group thinks one way or the other; it's that factions within the group have different opinions on this. There are many folk music clubs in this area (a large US city and its suburban sprawl), each with its own unspoken rule about singing along, and many of our club's members also belong to one or more of these other groups. Then they come to our meetings assuming that they can behave as they do in another group's meeting. Therefore, our club's board has struggled over the years to make a "call" that most of our members will be comfortable with, and as the members come and go, the comfort level changes. In our recent meeting, we came to the realization that we can't let this decision be governed by comfort level or even by majority rule, but rather by rules of concert etiquette!

"Why does your group NOT simply tell performers that if they a preference they had best express it or live with the consequences?" We discussed that option but rejected it. Our members include all levels of performers, from professionals who tour internationally to first-timers who have to muster every ounce of their courage to sing in front of others. We welcome them all. Therefore, we want to avoid scaring off the timid souls by insisting that they be the ones to assertively tell the lustily-singing in-crowd to be quiet and listen. We fear that the timid souls have felt that they don't have the support of the club when they try to state their preference for silence. We have concluded that it's the responsibility of the club's officers and board to draw a hard line that should not be crossed (having lived with the consequences of not having drawn that line, and having found that those consequences are not acceptable).

The challenge, again, is to deal with those who cross that newly-drawn hard line without scaring THEM off! The tactic will be to remind folks that lusty singing is allowed -- nay, encouraged -- during the jam-session portion of our meeting, which follows the formal program... and to remind them that the formal program has formalities that we need everyone to respect!


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Subject: RE: Concert Etiquette
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Sep 17 - 10:25 AM

The singing of the Mellstock Band at that time, with Charles Spicer in the band, needed no audience singing to supplement their fine unamplified swell. However, with their current line up, I'm not so sure, as Charles is no longer in the Mellstocks and a rather feeble voiced lady is!!!


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