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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 24 Feb 10 - 04:07 PM GfS, whether you actually wrote that or not is still up in the air. From Joe: That's not absolute proof that the post came from GfS, but it's a good indication that it came from him or from somebody using his computer [emphasis mine – DF].So--Joe's research did solidly establish that it did not come from me! And that's what you've been trying to claim—that I posted the comment about your father, using your handle. So, rather than continuing this stupid charade and your childish string of abuse, you owe me an apology. But you can forget that. I recommend that you let the nurses take you back to The Home. They have some nice rooms there with padded walls where you can bang your head all you want without injuring yourself. Have a nice day. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 24 Feb 10 - 09:21 AM Yes Don T, there was a 500% increase in UK acquired hetero infection over those 8 years. The increase of about 200 cases per year made the 500% increase. Those 200 cases a year could all be accounted for by new infections among the Africans. I explained all this at 7.54 AM on 8th Feb. Royston conceded the point and dropped the "white" from his silly statement about "straight, white British" leading the increase. It may not seem fair, but it is a fact. AIDS is a very rare disease except among MSMs and Black Africans for whom it is a devastating epidemic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 24 Feb 10 - 05:38 AM ""We now know that it was caused by the arrival of thousands of infected and high risk African immigrants."" NO! UK acquired means contracted in the UK, not brought in from outside. There was a 500% increase in UK acquired infections. And the issue you can't handle is the one concerning your ongoing attempts to blame gay men and Africans for HIV, combined with your lunatic belief that "if it hasn't happened yet, it never will". 65.5 million years ago the dinosaurs (had they been capable of rational thought) might have had the same notion. With increasing contact between the African group and others, and an increase in the pool of carriers, you, and a lot of others will have to re-think that before long. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Feb 10 - 04:32 AM Thank you, Joe, for your vote of confidence. Your instincts are indeed correct. Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 24 Feb 10 - 03:19 AM Don T, your last post to Ake was all mixed up. Ake was addressing Don F, not you. Don F had asked him for some figures, which I provided. Then you said "but Keith already knows to what I refer. He just hasn't the guts to address it." I honestly have no idea what you are on about. I doubt anyone else does. Just tell me straight what it is and I promise to address it. Some things you have not addressed Don T. You are still pushing the "500% increase" !! We now know that it was caused by the arrival of thousands of infected and high risk African immigrants. There has been no change in the pattern of infection, indeed the problem is a lack of change in the newcomers. You have also not addressed Royston's highly misleading posts about hetero infection and the fact that he must have known about the real cause of the rise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Feb 10 - 02:35 AM Don: 'If you don't trust me, then e-mail Joe yourself. His Mudcat e-mail address is: joe@mudcat.org. GfS: I posted back to him, on the other thread. I have no problem being out front with it. Don: "I, at least, want to get to the truth" GfS: Well that's a first!...Usually you make up your own truths!(Based on the biases of the audience you play to...then piss every one off, twist words, then blame others!..for saying things, they never said, and interpreting other phrases, out to left field, that if people get emotionally hostile, you think they're on your side........regardless of the negative crap you feed them). I just don't know how much discrediting you do to yourself, until, the 'light' goes on, and you begin to wonder.."This is Houston, and we got a problem here with our facts". Perhaps, instead of resorting to bringing up this stupid, and false post..you might stick to the issue! Maybe your bad rationalizations are running low on fuel....and Ebbie is pushing an empty car. Waving, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Feb 10 - 02:10 AM Thank you, Joe. As I posted earlier, a couple of posts ago, when asked about it, and why I didn't say anything, back then..I said, "Because the more you feed it, the more it grows'. I thought it was stupid. I wasn't the one who just brought it up! ..and I do resent his inference! I didn't get the whole explanation, but it wasn't sent from here, by me, to my knowledge. There are only two of us using this computer, and it's silly or vindictive, and neither of us live there ....but, anything else you can find out..is OK with me! Regards and Thank You, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Feb 10 - 01:24 AM OK, so I gather the message in question was on this page posted at 12:38 AM on 6 May 2009. There are 74 messages from that group of IP numbers, and all (except a few no-name ones) were signed by Guest from Sanity. That's not absolute proof that the post came from GfS, but it's a good indication that it came from him or from somebody using his computer. At least part of the message appears to have been copy-pasted from another source, but I could not find the source and could not determine whether the statement about the father may have come from that source. Are you people really arguing about a message that was posted nine months ago? -Joe Offer-
Despite evidence to the contrary, I'd tend to believe whatever GfS says about the message in question. GfS has been here for quite some time, and I have seen no evidence of deception or manipulation in posts from GfS. You people know GfS better than I do - make your decision based on your own experience. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 24 Feb 10 - 12:49 AM GfS, the question here is "Can YOU be trusted?" Are you or are you not the author of that post? I sent the following e-mailed to Joe at 1:22 this afternoon, Pacific Standard Time. I have not heard back from him yet. And what I included was a copy-and-paste of the heading of the post in question: Okay, Joe, here it is:If you don't trust me, then e-mail Joe yourself. His Mudcat e-mail address is: joe@mudcat.org. I, at least, want to get to the Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Feb 10 - 10:36 PM Joe, here is the address Don posted, as to the one in question. I'm posting it, because I don't trust him. 06 May 09 - 12:38 AM (Californians opposed Prop 8) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Feb 10 - 07:43 PM ""Don...Keith has been kind enough to post the information you requested.....anything to declare?"" None of your business my bigotted friend, but Keith already knows to what I refer. He just hasn't the guts to address it. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: gnu Date: 23 Feb 10 - 07:36 PM .... given the quality of the opposition And the beat goes on......... I'll check back in... maybe not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 23 Feb 10 - 07:26 PM Don...Keith has been kind enough to post the information you requested.....anything to declare? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Feb 10 - 07:06 PM Okay, GfS, I've e-mailed Joe Offer the information he asked for: Name of thread, date and time of the post, and the name of the person who allegedly posted it. So we'll soon see whether you posted it, or if it was posted by someone else. Okay? Don F |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 23 Feb 10 - 05:10 PM Game set and match I believe....but not much glory Keith, given the quality of the opposition! :0) No comment on the proposed aggressive testing and contact tracing amongst "at risk" groups I see. Could be stormy weather ahead for our "liberal" friends. Best send over a few loads of sand for them! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Feb 10 - 01:15 PM Help me out before you go Don. Keeping my head in the sand means I am ignoring something significant. What is it please? We would all like to know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Feb 10 - 12:05 PM You just keep that head down there in the sand mate. At least that way we'll know which orifice you are talking through. I'm outa this. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Feb 10 - 11:41 AM Don T, you do not need to worry about the influx of large numbers of infected and high risk immigarants. The few hundred hetero infections in a single year are more than ample to start an epidemic if one were possible, never mind the thousands of heteros who must now have it. It has been in the hetero population for decades, but has proved incapable of causing an epidemic as in the MSM and Black African communities. And remember, the African strain is even less virulent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Feb 10 - 11:33 AM In that first post of his, Royston gave the Health Protection Agency as his source, but no link. Looking at that source now I see this, which tells us that Royston was aware of the African dimension all along, but must have hoped to conceal it from the forum. Men who have sex with men and black African heterosexuals remain the groups with the highest HIV prevalence within the UK; efforts are needed to reinforce prevention messages and promote regular HIV testing within these populations. An estimated two-thirds (2,790/4,220) of new diagnoses acquired heterosexually were among black Africans, of whom the majority (87%) acquired their infection abroad, mainly in sub-Saharan Africa. In contrast, among the estimated 2,760 HIV-infected MSM diagnosed in 2008, 83% (2,280) probably acquired their infection in the UK. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Feb 10 - 11:27 AM ""remember that there has been no increase in home acquired hetero infections"" Same lie again! UK acquired infections among heterosexuals increased by 500%. OFFICIAL FACT! Irritating, I know, but indisputable. More irritating by far, is your unbelievably naive faith that heterosexuals of African origin will never engage with anyone outside of their own group. What do you think we are dealing with here, the Warsaw Ghetto? Do you know how many of those Africans are out there, in social and work contact with British Born citizens. I worked for a charity caring for people with profound learning difficulties, and that charity would have collapsed if all the Kenyan, Ghanaian, and other African carers had left. By all means pull the blankets over your head, and suck your thumb, while hoping it will all go away, but don't expect us to join you. ""The old infection could not spread among heterosexuals. Royston has provided evidence that the new strain is LESS virulent."" So where do you suppose all the hetero victims of the 70s and 80s got it then? And how many cases went unreported because the victims died, as is normally the case, of pneumonia, and other similar causes, not of AIDS, and their condition was simply not noticed? You should be thanking Royston, not slagging him off, for supplying you with FACTS about the lifestyle of young heteros in this country, because they are putting themselves at risk, in much larger numbers than are gay men. The facts about other STDs confirm what he says, and HIV is an STD! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Feb 10 - 10:48 AM If you are concerned about planting false ideas Don T, remember that there has been no increase in home acquired hetero infections, and that AIDS is among the rarest of diseases in the heterosexual community, and read this rubbish; "In USA and Western Europe, that HIV is mostly a "gay thing" is now a footnote in history as the new UK infection rate by heterosexual transfer has been approaching and exceeding the homosexual transfer rate for a long time now - as at August 2009 the male/male new infections were only at 44% - source, UK Health Protection Agency. Because "straight" people are in such denial about their risky behaviours they are less likely to get tested and treated and the prevailing view amongst health agencies is that the heterosexual figures are the tip of an enormous iceberg. Add to that the well-documented tidal wave of heterosexually acquired STI's amongst straight teenagers in the UK, and the only statistical conclusion is that heterosexual communities are paying the greatest price for their loose morals and grotesque sexual hygiene." Funny isn't it that Royston blames only hetero infection on loose morals and grotesque sexual hygiene! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Feb 10 - 10:35 AM Don T , what would be the point of me trying to make anyone believe that not one heterosexual was catching AIDS?! We have discussed endlessly the figures, always of a few hundred a year. I would not even get that past you Don, would I! No comment on the fact that Royston has been spinning, with your support, a false impression of a non existant heterosexual epidemic since he came on here then? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Feb 10 - 09:31 AM ""Don, you could not possibly believe I meant actually ZERO!"" Stop trying to spin your way out of the situation. For about three quarters of this thread, you have been trying to beat several posters over the head with statistics. You have consistently asserted that the only reason you have for participation, is to offset the false use of statistics. You have set yourself up as the true arbiter of fact, and a stickler for accuracy in all circumstances. You said that "The new UK infections are within those communities." You did not say "The majority of UK infections". You did not say "are mostly within". You did not say "with a few exceptions". The inference I draw is that you intended to plant that erroneous idea yet again, in the hope that it would either be believed, or pass without comment, for future use. You now ask us to believe you didnot lie. THe alternative is that your passion for accuracy is variable, in inverse proportion to the support it lends to your point of view. Oh! Hang on That's also lying. So why are you here?.......To attach blame for HIV/AIDS to homosexual men, and Africans! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Feb 10 - 08:29 AM Don Firth, I think you want a comparison between MSMs and drug injectors (IDUs) Total diagnoses for 2008 MSMs 1615 IDUs 91 Hope that helps. keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Feb 10 - 07:32 AM Don Firth, can I help with those figures you asked for? Just specify please. keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Smedley Date: 23 Feb 10 - 03:48 AM Oh, and 1800. (Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Smedley Date: 23 Feb 10 - 03:40 AM You know that bit in a lot of horror films when you think think the monster is dead But it comes BACK And BACK And BACK AGAIN........... This thread is, for Mudcat, that monster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Feb 10 - 03:14 AM OK, Ok, calm down. If you need me to verify authorship of a post, give me the date, time, thread name, and the posted user name. -Joe- joe@mudcat.org |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Feb 10 - 01:48 AM DON T, there were NO new UK infections outside of those communities. You could not possibly believe such a patently ridiculous idea, and therefor you lied!.........in CAPITALS! Don, you could not possibly believe I meant actually ZERO! How long have we been talking about the few hundred a year before Lox's Dogleg? In 2008 there were about 300 white hetero home infections and about 90 other hetero home infections not counting Africans. NO CHANGE! That level is down with rare diseases only medicos have ever heard of. Miniscule, but not actually ZERO Don! Royston has been telling us from the start that dangerous behaviour by heteros had reulted in a dramatic rise in hetero infection. I do not say that he LIED, but the only other explanation is ignorance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Feb 10 - 12:21 AM Now, I ask you folks. Is that a rational response to what I just posted? GfS, you're showing signs of coming apart emotionally. Get a grip!! Don Firth P. S. Over and out. I won't be back this evening. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Feb 10 - 11:48 PM Look, asshole..the post isn't mine! Stop spinning it, as you always do...to be ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR FUCKING LIES! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 22 Feb 10 - 11:33 PM Snipes from whom, GfS? Re-examining the post and noting that it's paragraphed (and you often run everything together in one long paragraph), and that the punctuation was grammatically accurate (where you usually fire commas at the page with a shotgun and often tend to lean on the exclamation point or question mark key for a few minutes at at time, especially when you are tooted up), I am willing to accept the possibility that you may not have written that particular post. However--that post was supporting your position and the comments about your father were by way of trying to support that position, so there's plenty of good reason to assume that you indeed did write it. And either lied about your father in an attempt to manufacture evidence--or that it is, in fact, true and you let something slip that you later regretted. One of the advantages of registering as a Mudcat member and picking a name rather than remaining as a GUEST, is that you have a consistent name without the "GUEST" prefix, and the only way anyone can post something under your name is as a "GUEST." Also, you can PM (send private messages) to other Mudcat members, and they to you. I have been a member since fall of 1999 and I have always used my own name. And NO, I do not EVER post masquerading as someone else if that's what you're thinking. Never have, never will. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Feb 10 - 09:51 PM Don, the post isn't mine...and it is COMPLETELY out of context to any discussion we were having..,if you even noticed. It was just another, in a series of snipes. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 22 Feb 10 - 08:51 PM ""_Accused of a lie in capitals!. I had better reply. Don T, we all here have discussed the figures for hetero infection. Since the start of AIDS here, they have been comparable with lightning strike. It did not spread. A few years ago there was a slight upturn, that coincided with the arrival of large numbers from a well recognised high risk group. I have not said that the connection was real, I have linked to highly authoratative reports that describe the spread of infection within that new group. The old infection could not spread among heterosexuals. Royston has provided evidence that the new strain is LESS virulent. No lie."" ______________________________________________________________________ What you actually posted was:- ""Don, if you read any of those reports on the Africam communities that I linked to, you would see that the infection is spreading within those new communities. You would see that dangerous patterns of behaviour are being practiced. Massive intervention is going on that will help to bring it down. Mercifully, it is not spreading outside those communities. The new UK infections are within those communities."" Would you now like to point out to me where I have falsely accused you? You did state clearly that the new UK infections are within those communities. The tenor of your post was undoubtedly that there were NO new UK infections outside of those communities. You could not possibly believe such a patently ridiculous idea, and therefor you lied!.........in CAPITALS! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 22 Feb 10 - 07:23 PM How about some actual figures, Ake? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 22 Feb 10 - 05:32 PM I wonder why they didn't get a mention? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 22 Feb 10 - 05:24 PM Interesting article in today's Times. "The global Aids epidemic could be contained within just five years by testing everybody in high-risk regions and immediately treating all those who are found to be HIV positive, according to a leading scientist. In the absence of a vaccine, an aggressive treatment programme is the first promising way of controlling a condition that affects 33 million people worldwide and kills 2.1 million every year, he said. It also has the potential to halve tuberculosis infections associated with HIV and Aids. Two randomised trials of universal testing and treatment are to begin in South Africa shortly, and the World Health Organisation (WHO) has indicated that it will back the strategy if they prove successful. The approach is also supported by Anthony Fauci, the influential scientist who leads the US National Institute on Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which is funding further trials in areas of Washington DC and New York where HIV is widespread. Projects in Kenya, Botswana and Malawi have shown that regular testing and good compliance are achievable in Africa. "Compliance in Africa is actually much better than in developed countries, because in the latter HIV tends to affect intravenous drug users and other marginalised groups, whereas the victims in Africa are just poor," Dr Williams said." Dont you just LOVE the PC press " Compliance in Africa is actually much better than in developed countries, because in the latter HIV tends to affect intravenous drug users and other marginalised groups," "Other marginalised groups" contains the Male homosexual demographic the highest of any and about four times higher than IDU's |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 22 Feb 10 - 02:12 PM GfS, considering that the position expressed in the post in question was consistent with the kind of things you had written before, and also considering that you let it stand for over 10 months and didn't challenge it, the fact that you're challenging it now, when it has become a little inconvenient for you, has all the credibility of "The dog ate my homework." If you REALLY want to establish that you indeed did NOT write that post and that someone else did using your moniker, I suggest that you contact the mud-elfs and have them check it. Every computer on the internet has an IP number, a series of numbers that is unique to that computer alone. And I'm sure the mud-elves have access to those numbers and can identify what computer a message is coming from because they are able to block certain computers from getting into the Mudcat site. Indeed, there are a number of people who have behaved so badly that they have been blocked and can no longer post to Mudcat. And the mud-elves would have to be able to determine what computer a particular post is coming from to be able to do that. The unique IP number will identify a specific computer. A comparison of the computer signature on that message with that on the other messages you have posted will either verify what you now claim or it will establish that it did come from your computer. And if it is not from your computer, it can identify which computer it did come from. Don Firth P. S. No "antic" of mine, GfS. I'm not so naïve as to believe that I can surf the net with anonymity. No matter what kind of pseudonym one uses, every message one posts comes with a clear "license plate" on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Feb 10 - 11:17 PM Yes, I did bring up the 'Prop 8' thread again, by posting my reply on it, by mistake, while searching the post, you alleged, as mine. I never wrote the post you are referring to. Methinks it was done by one of those who you stirred up...maybe not, but it was not authored, nor posted by me. Thanks for your 'concern'. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 21 Feb 10 - 10:19 PM In fact, GfS, let me cut-and-paste it for you here: Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage BanBut go to the Prop 8 thread and read it for yourself. Don Firth P. S. By the way, YOU are the one who resurrected the Prop 8 thread. By posting on it again, you brought it to the top of the page. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 21 Feb 10 - 09:47 PM GfS, I gave the reference to your post—where you say what you now claim you never said—in my post, here, of 02 May 09 - 07:01 p.m. But since I'm always glad to help the lost and bewildered, I will post it again for you: Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage BanGo read what you wrote there, GfS. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Feb 10 - 09:22 PM Don Firth, I am not leading the argument anywhere. I came in to it because Royston was saying things that I knew to be wrong, i.e. that AIDS was breaking out of the high risk groups and into the general population of this country. When I politely corrected him I was subject to vile abuse and called racist and bigot. I was not and am not prepared to let that slander stand, because I have been correct and truthful all the time. My position all along has simply been that there was and is no significant infection outside the high risk groups in UK. Every time it is denied I provide evidence to prove that it is true. If Royston and Don T stop accusing me of dishonesty I can stop proving myself right and them wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Feb 10 - 08:33 PM Gosh, I can't find that post...refresh my memory....my father was NOT ever a homosexual....let me see if that post is even there...or show me. (or someone used my name)..... Actually, I think this is just one of your antics. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Feb 10 - 07:56 PM Well, I see someone pulled up the Prop 8 thread...still didn't find the post in question Also, it shows me as the last post....frankly, I don't know what the hell you're all squawking about. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 21 Feb 10 - 03:29 PM I, too, was hoping that this thread had folded its tent and slunk away. Okay, one question: Just exactly where is this haggle over statistics leading? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Smedley Date: 21 Feb 10 - 11:57 AM I too was hoping it had withered on the vine. But at least it now seems to be sponsored by Ugg Boots !!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Feb 10 - 11:43 AM Sorry Ebbie, but I have to challenge when accused of "bare faced LIE" and dishonesty. Would you let that go? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Ebbie Date: 21 Feb 10 - 11:25 AM After that last GfS bit I sincerely hoped this thread was dead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Feb 10 - 09:06 AM Royston, I am part of AIDS education in schools. I have never spoke against it. De cock wrote as if there was only the African epidemic, ignoring the plight of countries like Haiti and New Guinea. He needed to correct that. He did not withdraw what he said about industrialised countries, nor the named countries he said would have no generalised epidemic. If you say he did, that is dishonest. You always accuse me of that but never supply an example. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Feb 10 - 09:00 AM Now that is a barefaced LIE! You cannot possibly know what proportion of new infections are within which communities, and to claim that there are no infections of heterosexuals other than those of Africans is a)bloody nonsense, and b)a cynical, and dishonest attempt to apportion blame for the whole to African immigrants. Accused of a lie in capitals!. I had better reply. Don T, we all here have discussed the figures for hetero infection. Since the start of AIDS here, they have been comparable with lightning strike. It did not spread. A few years ago there was a slight upturn, that coincided with the arrival of large numbers from a well recognised high risk group. I have not said that the connection was real, I have linked to highly authoratative reports that describe the spread of infection within that new group. The old infection could not spread among heterosexuals. Royston has provided evidence that the new strain is LESS virulent. No lie. |
