BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 05:34 PM

"Well Tia, that answer opens up another question, why don't you complain about the infringement of the "rights" of other sexual minorities?"

Like who?

Are you implying Paedophiles?

(of course - I keep forgetting - homosexuals are all paedphiles deep down too.)


Ake do you know what the term "mutual consent" means?

No ... never mind ...

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 05:27 PM

Well Tia, that answer opens up another question, why don't you complain about the infringement of the "rights" of other sexual minorities?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 04:44 PM

ake,
The only question you pose in any post that contains the word incest is;
"If homosexuality was still deemed to be illegal by a bunch of corrupt politicians, would you still be saying that you were in favour of "gay" marriage?"
yes.

There ya go, now quit crying about nobody answering your question.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 04:43 PM

"I too think homosexuality is repugnant,against nature and based on psychological problems. ... the answer is to turn away and let the homosexuals get on with their lives,but unfortunatly this is getting harder and harder to achieve, as "gay culture " ouzes from every media orifice with all its nasty innuendo,like little boys behind the bike shed and god help anyone who tries to stop them."

Hmmmm. I wonder who could have written this?



Thanks Ebbie,

I think it has reached the point where this loathesome leopard has his spots exposed for all to see.


He claims now to care for Gay peoples welfare.


But as you have shown with this quote his motives are a long way from that point.


I've had enough of him myself, but I'm right behind you all the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 04:11 PM

Amos never got back, about that 'curable' part of his post....so if you'd do that, I'll answer your last question of four, and give you something rather unique(too bad), and rather higher, to think about.

Everybody's haggling over the overt 'symptoms'(as Amos may be referring to), but there's something else, way deeper to go into, that I betcha dollars to doughnuts, that our 'esteemed, and agenda-sponsored' study groups never even considered, as to looking for a 'cause', and the Christian 'Right', completely overlooks, and the liberal,'any new trend to shock the mainstream, for a further radical statement group', never occurred to them, and frankly a lot of small minded people, including politicos...well its more than likely, out of their intellectual reach.

In the article I posted, regarding the lesbian fight over custody, in which one of the lesbians 'renounced' homosexuality, and the Dr. Cohen link that I posted, and the fact that I know two ex-homosexual males, and three ex-lesbians, I found the last part of Amos' link interesting....and so very shortly afterwords, I find everyone squabbling again, and the dialogues got.....ummmm......small? All the scientists in the article, admit, that one thing discounts another, or if the other thing has something to do with it, that eliminates the other possibility..and yet, you rocket scientist geniuses, are duking it out with each other, like your experts, while the homosexuals are trying to justify their existence!....Well, if that sounds too harsh, think it through a little further.....and the straight supporters, not knowing the cause either, are supporting something they admittedly know very little about..like, THE CAUSE, and therefore, the end EFFECT, both on the individual homosexual, or society at large......Doesn't it seem logical to know 'lots' of things about something before you get so vehement about it..one way or another???

So, while waiting for Amos, to clarify himself, and there is no 'trick or loaded' question or answer, I'd love to move forward...maybe rock the researchers, while we're at it. Some of you may be 'rocked' as well, instead of just stoned', (just thought I'd throw that in for good measure).

Anyway, here is something to amuse yourselves with, though so truthful that it is, it's exactly what's going on, in this thread, whenever the 'opinion-cats', get a hold of something. Might be worth some self examination. You may have heard it before, but read it through again thoughtfully. Imagine, one unemployed musician, one political expert, one news announcer, one homosexual, one ordinary guy, and one psychiatrist(BTW, I'm not a psychiatrist), having and 'astute' conversation.........(Enjoy)

John Godfrey Saxe's ( 1816-1887) version of the famous Indian legend,


It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

The First approach'd the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"

The Fourth reached out his eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he,
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

MORAL.

So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!


With Smiling Regards,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 01:34 PM

Tia baby....I already asked twice.

I never ask three times, I just hit the road.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 08:45 AM

"P. S. Now watch him writhe and twist and call me names."

He should be so lucky??

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: TIA
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 07:47 AM

ake -
If you want an answer to your question, you need to ask it :)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 07:36 AM

Why do people always assume that gay men are all into having anal sex? So many are not.

As for rugby... that's the game where men play with funny shaped balls isn't it? ;-)

---

One thing is for sure, trying desperately to get back on topic: hanging someone for their sexuality is most definitely bad for their health so that is reason enough to campaign it never happens. State sanctioned murder is still murder :-(

Being gay, whether by choice or by birth (and I believe it to be the latter) should never be a crime.

---

I did a search on t'internet for the "feel good sisterhood" but could find no statistics at all as to who is a member or how many there are. I guess that will be one of the great unknowns, however, I do think it's probably genetic ;-)

Have a great weekend everyone

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 10:08 PM

Yeah. Piles can be a real pain in the ass. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Joybringer
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:58 PM

I see Former Wales and Lions captain Gareth Thomas has just annouced he has a charm to cure piles.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:51 PM

Ake, you haven't answered my question.

What, intrinsically, makes two men "an infinitely more dangerous sexual grouping than a man and a woman?"

And no, I am not a member of a "sisterhood" and I am not dead from the neck up. I'm perfectly aware, as are all of those here whom you try to denegrate with your insults, that you are simply anti-homosexual, and all your humanitarian-sounding concern for the health of gays is nothing more than a smokescreen for your blatant prejudice.

So--answer my question. If you have any kind of answer.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:55 PM

Tia...You've misread my post.....or my punctuation's up the creek.

I'm afraid it's worse than you thought, I lumped(and I mean lumped)you in with Lox n'the two Dons....my sincerest apologies!:0).

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: gnu
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:43 PM

Hehehehehe... in a sealed envelope?

Just thought I would check in and read the last few posts. Seems like youse are still poking each other without coming to a climax. A lot of useless foreplay IMO.

Too bad. I mean, youse can get your asses WAY up in the air on either side of the issue but the fact of the matter is this... gay ain't goin away. It's a fact of life.

See ya next week.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:42 PM

""Just stick to the issues Ebbie!""

If the post Ebbie quoted came from you Ake, I'd say she was bang on the point.

That post is an example of a particularly nasty kind of bigotry, and if it is yours, it shows the mendacity of your high moral stance on the subject of health risk.

You may not give a damn about what I say, but you can't stop me from being right, while you continue to drip this kind of toxic venom into every thread concerning gays.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:26 PM

Answers to my question please......in a sealed envelope if you would prefer!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:24 PM

Are the "sisterhood" all dead from the neck up?

The health figures for lesbians are on a par with heteros.
The promiscuity figures, no of sexual partners, average length of relationships are all very good.

I can never understand why they continue to ally themselves with male homosexuality which seems to contradict everything they believe in.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:16 PM

Wrong Tia......Anywhere

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:14 PM

On the original thread name..."Death penalty for homosexuals".

I have just learned that the death penalty is being called for in cases of "homosexual rape, when the perpretator is aware that he is hiv positive".

A private members bill has been presented to the Ugandan govt and is at present being debated.

This is simply a point of information, so don't draw any inferences.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:56 PM

Ake, what, intrinsically, makes two men "an infinitely more dangerous sexual grouping than a man and a woman?"

I know three male same-sex couples personally and I see nothing "infinitely more dangerous" about them that any male-female couples or female-female couples I know.

What do you mean, "dangerous?"

It sounds to me like you're trying to drag out the dead horse of "spontaneous generation" again.

And, yes, I expect an answer to this question.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:52 PM

And what is the name for an exclusively male sexual grouping?......That's right....homosexuality.

Homosexual means same-sex, and they don't have to be men. I'm pretty sure you're scorn/bigotry/icky feelings are only related to male homosexuals though.

What kills me about this thread, and most threads involving anything do do with homosexuals is how fast people let themselves get shoved into their respective roles and how fast polarization happens and how easily the subject of the thread is twisted into the same old/same old. Homotextuality.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:38 PM

"Two men are an infinitely more dangerous sexual grouping than a man and a woman"

Not in Swaziland.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:36 PM

Right Jeri, I think I agree with that... it is indeed men who are the problem, in homosexuality and in child sex abuse.

I have always made that clear in any discussions here.

Two men are an infinitely more dangerous sexual grouping than a man and a woman for many reasons, some of which i have listed earlier in this thread.

And what is the name for an exclusively male sexual grouping?......That's right....homosexuality.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:36 PM

First, for the record (which is right here BTW):

---------snip------------

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 05:39 PM

Bill ...Homosexual relationships are objectionable mainly due to the health risks which come with homosexual practice.
I dont care in the least what Don T, Don Frith,Lox,Tia,or any of the "feel good sisterhood think of me,and certainly don't worry about them geing "on my case". If I found them in agreement with my opinions, then I would really worry!

---------snip------------

Second, yes, I will answer your question right away. In the swirl, I am not sure what it is, so please pose again.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:29 PM

"...prostitution would be acceptable!"

In some places, it is. (Holland, for example)(at least, the last I heard)

Prostitution, like homosexuality, is a problem when people do stupid things while indulging, and these are what get the headlines. I indulge in neither, but life has been such that I never had the need or desire. BOTH have a long history in human societies...(ancient Greece, etc.)

I'm afraid, ake, that you are unlikely to convince many that your main concern is really health. You may BE quite concerned about health, but it always feels as though you began with strong moral and social objections and have resorted to health concerns to justify them. That is the kind of attitude that is not always even obvious to those holding it. Can I state this with absolute certainty? Of course not.
All I can do is attempt to show counter-examples to some of your claims and recognize that human rights should apply even when many don't **like** who is getting them.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:23 PM

Be fair Tia, I would be interested in your response to my question.

And I did not lump you into the "sisterhood"....and not only because I though you were a man!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:14 PM

First, you will definitely need to rely upon your fancied expertise to know whether I am literally a member of the "feel good sisterhood" that you lumped me into.

Second, that was a very good stab at an answer. Thanks.

However, I still disagree that you are purely looking out for the welfare of homosexuals. Jeri's post is a good example of why your assertion can't possibly be the entire story. Here is another: the highest rate of HIV in the world is in Swaziland. Here, due to culture, there is absolutely no (open) homosexual community or meeting places. Transmission is almost exclusively through heterosexual intercourse.

So, would you support (for health reasons of course) the banning of heterosexual relationships in Swaziland?

This is not a clever trap. Call it a consistency check.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:13 PM

Just stick to the issues Ebbie!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:13 PM

I don't see anything in Ake's arguments that constitute a strong point against same-sex marriage. If he's really concerned with sexually transmitted diseases, one would think that reducing promiscuity by encouraging stable, monogamous relationships would help that a great deal, hence the argument for same-sex marriage with all the legal benefits and protections thereof.

By arguing against same-sex marriage, Ake contradicts his claim that he is concerned with reducing HIV/AIDs. By wanting to deny it to same-sex couples, he encourages promiscuity.

Don Firth

P. S. Now watch him writhe and twist and call me names.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:07 PM

"I too think homosexuality is repugnant,against nature and based on psychological problems. ... the answer is to turn away and let the homosexuals get on with their lives,but unfortunatly this is getting harder and harder to achieve, as "gay culture " ouzes from every media orifice with all its nasty innuendo,like little boys behind the bike shed and god help anyone who tries to stop them."

Hmmmm. I wonder who could have written this?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:01 PM

One of the lowest 'risk' groups is lesbians, and they're homosexual.
What this says to me is that if you have sex with a man, you're at risk. If you have sex with a lot of men, you have a lot of risk.

It's not homosexuals who are the problem, it's men.

Granted, if you only have sex with one man, and you're both negative, it doesn't matter who puts what where.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 04:51 PM

Sorry...something went wrong with my eyesight!!

Hi gang....just got back and I know you've been fretting, so what is there to answer.....hmmm abuse.....oh yes some foul language....more abuse.....bullshit from Don n' Lox (didn't I see that duo play together one time?)....Oh my god! TIA is a woman...now that's a surprise......I woulda never guessed..honest! and I fancy myself as a bit of an expert.

Well TIA, as I am always the gentleman, I will attempt to answer your question.

If a vaccine against aids were to be developed, I would be pleased that lives were being saved, but the fact that we had developed a vaccine, would not make homosexual practice safe or healthy; we would simply be controlling the RESULTS of some the unhealthy physical aspects of homosexuality, and ignoring others like associated psychiatric problems etc.
Its rather like saying, if prostitutes were guaranteed free from STD's prostitution would be acceptable!



BTW....I have never "Opposed homosexual relationships", that is for homosexuals themselves to come to terms with.
If they wish to live a lifestyle with all its associated risks that is their own business.

Right from the beginning, I have opposed the promotion of homosexuality by politicians and activists, as a safe, healthy and normal lifestyle. This includes the legalisation of homosexual marriage and the fostering of young children by male homosexuals.


Now, when is someone going to answer my question regarding homosexuality, incest, and civil rights???

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 04:41 PM

Hi gang....just got back and I know you've been fretting, so what is there to answer.....hmmm abuse.....oh yes some foul language....more abuse.....bullshit from Don n' Lox (didn't I see that duo play together one time?)....Oh my god! TIA is a woman...now that's a surprise......I woulda never guessed..honest! and I fancy myself as a bit of an expert.

Well TIA, as I am always the gentleman, I will attempt to answer your question.

If a vaccine against aids were to be developed, I would be pleased that lives were being saved, but the fact that we had developed a vaccine, would not make homosexual practice safe or healthy; we would simply be controlling the RESULTS of some the unhealthy physical aspects of homosexuality, and ignoring others like associated psychiatric problems etc.

BTW....I have never "Opposed homosexual relationships", that is for homosexuals themselves to come to terms with.
If they wish to live a lifestyle withall its associated risks that is their own business.

Right from the beginning, I have opposed the promotion of homosexuality by politicians and activists, as a safe, healthy and normal lifestyle. This includes the legalisation of homosexual marriage and the fostering of young children by male homosexuals.


Now, when is someone going to answer my question regarding homosexuality, incest, and civil rights???

Its rather like saying, if prostitutes were guaranteed free from STD's prostitution would be acceptable

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 02:45 PM

"The bee is such a busy soul,
It has no time for birth control.
And that is why, in times like these,
There are so many Sons of bees."

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 02:36 PM

Even better- the lack of response is a very loud response in itself.
Or maybe he really does not have time to type YES or NO.
Now *that* is a busy fellow.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 12:56 PM

". . . there doesn't seem to be anybody else deserving of a responce [sic]. . . ."

Translation:   I don't have a response, so I will simply ignore and hope nobody notices.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 12:13 PM

Indeed ... none of us is deserving of a responce ...

I wonder which word has been misspelled

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 12:06 PM

Amos ...as always you are one of the few here who confines himself to addressing the issues, but you dont seem to have grasped the parallel I was making.

I'm rushing out now, but as there doesn't seem to be anybody else deserving of a responce, I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:36 AM

Homosexual relationships are objectionable mainly due to the health risks which come with homosexual practice.
I dont care in the least what Don T, Don Frith,Lox,Tia,or any of the "feel good sisterhood think of me...

I have read all they have to say on all the Homosexual threads, and understand that they see this matter as a political issue.
They have no real interest in Homosexual wefare, or in addressing the obvious health problems encountered by homosexuals.
Their only interest is in winning a political point; and it is a complete waste of time attempting to engage them in any sort of constructive discussion"

What is objectionable about homosexual relationships that is not objectionable about other sexuality and practices? Am not sure if I am numbered among the "feel good sisterhood" but I can say that I have no political agenda whatsoever with this thread. The thread was and has become about supporting homosexuals with humanity and fairness. That is not political. It is about treating everyone with the same rules and respect... until they prove otherwise they do not deserve it. I am as interested in homosexual welfare as I am in the welfare of all other human beings... the homosexual tag makes no odds to me. It has no validity in my thoughts and treatment to all genders and sexualities. The PERSON matters. As to people's sexual habits... well this has been done to death but I will repeat once more that ALL sexualities play their part in promiscuity and sexual risk taking. If we are going to make excluions based on a single kind of sexuality, then I consider it to be prejudiced in the least. Singling homosexuals out will not change the statistics for other sexualities.

As for constructive discussion, in the main, this thread has been highly constructive by many despite it being destructive by some. What I have find refreshing is that, as far as bigotry and hate goes, it will get short shrift from the majority here. That shows great hope for the future if catters are the example for the general populous. Death is no trivial matter for any group of individuals but if I am going to get animated and campaign for their health then it has to be an 'across the board' health warning and service for everyone.

I'm happy to be a card carrying member of the liberal minded, feel good sisterhood, if I need to be labelled by those who see it all diferently, but in fact all I really am is an open minded individual who has no axe to grind with anyone who has never done me any harm. Live and let love, I think I said way back at the start of this thread.

Christmas is rapidly coming... is "Good will to all Men (and Women to be inclusive, liberal and fair ;-)   )" to remain some distant dream?

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 12:23 AM

ake, you really want me to post some old opinions of yours on gayness and gay practices?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 11:48 PM

Ake:

Civil rights--not incest--is not a health issue. The guarantee of equal rights under the law will definitely not exacerbate the health issues of homosexuality, and in fact would probably reduce them to some small degree. Allowing equal rights with respect to marriage is if anything an incentive against promiscuity which is a major vector in the health risks you are complaining about.

The health risks you talk about are no more grounds for denying basic civil status of equality than, say, being caught up in a flue epidemic is.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 09:51 PM

Oh I forgot ... and moslems ... Ake has a problem with Moslems because his Goan friend told him oall about then so now he knows and he is wise to their ways.

... carry on ...

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 09:37 PM

"Homosexual relationships are objectionable mainly due to the health risks which come with homosexual practice"

Tia,

I read a report in todays Metro which claimed that teenage girls these dayds catch an sti in the first two years of bcoming sexually active.

They then go on to catch one every two years after that.


Not much on its own, but when taken in context of the figures showing that teenage girls and young women are the highest demographic who suffer from chlamiydia, ghonnorhea, HPV and syphiliis, it becomes very sad and concerning.

But obviously they aren't anything to worry about regardless of the long term consequences of these infections ... in the case of HPV, it results ultimately in cervical cancer and can never be cured. (HPV is genital warts in case you didn't know)

If Ake blelieved his own argument he would have to admit that the sexual practices of young heterosexual women are also unhealthy according to his logic.

But I'll stop myself there ... because Ake doesn't give a shit about all that.

He has his blinkers on and he is charging forward with his view regardless of wht other evidence is lying around.

He even asked someone earlier on to leave out inconvenient evidence to make the discussion easier for him.

He is posessed by that very special combnation of loathing and fascination that the sun taps into when it puts an article about paedophiles next to pictures of a 15 year old celebrity sunbathing topless on holiday.

Hipocrisy, self satsfied judgemantalism and sleaze are his trademarks - and his preferred targets are ALL vulnerable minorities - immigrants - "tinkers" and homosexuals.

Sorry Ake but you have been so busted on this thread and on others.

But carry on ... your freedom to spew pseudo philosophical prejudicial bile is unhindered her as it always has been.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 09:26 PM

Ake, when you show utter contempt for those who don't agree with your pronouncements and try to call their intelligence and personal integrity into question, it's pretty hard to further credit anything you say. As has been said of you by others, you frequently try to discredit an argument you don't like by inventing fictions about the intelligence and motives of the one who puts forth the argument (fallacy of the straw man) and then you attack the person on that basis rather than address their argument (fallacy of the argumentum ad hominem). That's verbal "slight of hand," and an attempt at deliberate deception.

When you try to pull that sort of stuff, it's pretty hard to take anything you say seriously.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,TIA (of the feel good sisterhood!)
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 09:06 PM

"Homosexual relationships are objectionable mainly due to the health risks which come with homosexual practice"

So, when there is an HIV vaccine to eliminate the health risks, will you no longer find homosexuality objectionable?

Yes or No will do.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 09:03 PM

"They have no real interest in Homosexual wefare"

Unlike you who are helping them ...

... by asserting that they are closet paedophiles, that they are aberrations of nature ...

... and by getting very descriptive about what you imagine they do ...

... with each other and with children ...

You come across just like nick grffin when he tries to convince us that he really loves people with different coloured skin ... all awkward toadying and smarm and sleazy one liners ... all backed up by this twisted ... erm ... wisdom? ... that noone else understands ... all based on your putrid fascination with male homosexual sex ...

... oh yes ... and rape ...

and then just when you think there couldn't possibly be more slime you get this ... ;O)

Yuk!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 06:26 PM

Fancy a bit of elucidation Ebbie?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 06:04 PM

"Homosexual relationships are objectionable mainly due to the health risks which come with homosexual practice.
I dont care in the least what Don T, Don Frith,Lox,Tia,or any of the "feel good sisterhood think of me,and certainly don't worry about them geing "on my case". ake

My, my, how you have changed. It was not too far back in time when you had a LOT more concerns than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 06:00 PM

Pardon me, Ake, that might have been a bit harsh. Let me put it this way:

You have no qualms about falsifying statistical data, scientific facts, and the motives and intentions of those with whom you disagree.

Well . . . no, that's pretty much what I said the first time.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 05:52 PM

Ake:   "They have no real interest in Homosexual wefare, or in addressing the obvious health problems encountered by homosexuals.
Their only interest is in winning a political point; and it is a complete waste of time attempting to engage them in any sort of constructive discussion."

And you, sir, are a bloody liar.

And it is you who refuse to engage in any sort of constructive discussion.

Don Firth