BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 09:52 PM

I disbelieve the 53% figure attributed to the CDC. I live outside the US and therefore cannot call them toll-free. Is there and American who would please ask the CDC about that 53% figure and pass the info onto Mudcat? Their toll free number in the US is

800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636)

I disbelieve the 53% figure, Ake. I do NOT think you are BSing. I do think you got hold of some bad info.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 09:49 PM

Lox, Re-read the post I responded to....I think you missed something.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:44 PM

"99%????..You mean you leave out, finding a partner of the opposite sex, loving that person, crossing the differences of the genders, making love to that person, producing a child, with, and by that person, and spending your days, raising and loving that child, into adulthood???

Its all about sex isn't it??? "


No GfS,

You are leaving out having dinner, going on holiday, conversation, emotional support, consolation, humour, etc etc ...

i.e all the other things that make us human.

I think the point is that it isn't just about sex, and that fascination with how gays have sex says more about the fantasist than the object of their fantasy.


As Gil Scott heron said, I am 360 degrees, and sex is just one small part of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:39 PM

No Ake,

I'll tell you what is pathetic.

-your arguments and the premiss upon which they are built
-your desperate clinging on to a meagre scrap of tenuously related evidence
-your accusation that Gay men of having a natural propensity for paedophilia
- your blaming of the weakness of the economy on immigration
- and your vivid descriptions of morbid visions of men having sex with each other
- and you invitation to us to indulge in rape fantasies


And so is your last post.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:30 PM

I haven't got caught up, all the way, but I saw this one, and just HAD to answer it!
Smedley:"Homosexual men indulge in practises that revolt most ordinary people. Why will you never acknowledge the facts?"
I am an ordinary person.
And a homosexual.
99% of the practices (such aromantic word) I indulge in can be, and are, indulged in by heterosexual couples.
Any more insightful contributions, Paco ??"


99%????..You mean you leave out, finding a partner of the opposite sex, loving that person, crossing the differences of the genders, making love to that person, producing a child, with, and by that person, and spending your days, raising and loving that child, into adulthood???

Its all about sex isn't it???

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:27 PM

You dont even have the guts to apologise! you're pathetic!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:25 PM

"For the purposes of this discussion lets stick to the north American figures"

You mean lets be selective so that your argument doesn't look quite so ridiculous?

"your honour, I would like to move that the defence leave out the rest of the evidence and allow the prosecutions case to stand on the evidence that we have presented alone. Sadly the defences evidence contradicts my argument and is therefore inconvenient."


You are having a laugh!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:24 PM

It seems the character of the opposition has been revealed in vivid technicolour!.............:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:21 PM

The fantasy begins here with Paco:

"Homosexual men indulge in practises that revolt most ordinary people."

You turned it into a rape fantasy here:

"Paco has a point, if any real heterosexuals among you were given the choice of being raped by a woman or a man....which would you chose, and which would fill you with horror!"


What fills me with horror is the self indulgenet ignorance of these two posts.

Little Hawk began his tasteless analysis of whiich would be worse, searching his feeling as he indulged the whole rape fantasy and from that point on this thread became the most vile thing I have ever witnessed on Mucat.

Shame.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:19 PM

Amos as you know, we have already discussed the very different means of transmission in Africa on another thread and its a bit late to go into all that.

For the purposes of this discussion lets stick to the north American figures

Amos my friend, your language is superb, but your "sums" leave a lot to be desired....:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:07 PM

"I know, lets idly speculate, in vivid technicolour, all the possible ways a man or woman might rape somebody.

How about with a broken bottle?

Or a broom handle?

No actual examples, just creative self indulgence.


Ake, you have a serious and really sickening problem. I find you repugnant and revolting in the extreme."

Right you fucker! Do you seriously think that I care what you think of me?.....If you had taken the time to read what was printed,you would have discovered your vivid technicolour horror film was actually thought up by sweet Ebbie a founder member of your team.

You find me repugnant and revolting in the extreme....well whoopee doo      What do I think of you....Seemple... fuck all, zilch,nothing, I dont waste my time!.....but I will expect an apology in due course.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:04 PM

"who gives a fuck what the sort of numbskulls who have posted since my last message think, as long as thousands of lives can be saved."

So now you're really just helping the poor Gays.

Don't you think they're closet paedophiles anymore?

You'd be better off writing a book of sexual fantasies.

I think it is pretty clear where your niche would lie.

Though I suspect you'll come up with a lot more creative ideas for your niche than I ever could.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:58 PM

Oh my.... I shant be back. Beyond trolling... into sickening.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:56 PM

Why isn't that true in Africa, then, Ake?

Doesn't that disparate curve make you ownder whether you are distorting the problem with an exclusive sample?

According to your math, then, for 1000 humans, 250 will be gay and they will get as many cases of aids as the other 750. If there are one hundred cases that means they will get fifty (a one in five (.2) chance for any individual) and the other 750 people will get 50? For a chance of .06 compared to .2. Meaning the multiplier is not 50 but a little over three.

I suspect your combining per centages is fallacious, mathematically.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:53 PM

This discussion really has hit sewer level, especially since Ake appears to have found himself another soulmate after the last one rode off into the sunset (one more time - "ordinary people Paco?).
I also suggested that Ake and 'guest from Sanity' were peddling the same fundamentalist 'Christian' line on homosexuality that enabled clergymen to rape generations of children, and received no reply - did I hear the cock crow three times Ake?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:49 PM

I know, lets idly speculate, in vivid technicolour, all the possible ways a man or woman might rape somebody.

How about with a broken bottle?

Or a broom handle?

No actual examples, just creative self indulgence.


Ake, you have a serious and really sickening problem. I find you repugnant and revolting in the extreme.



LH, I have enjoyed some of your posts over the years, but your intellectual ego and the self satisfied pseudo-philosophical nothings that you yawn all over us in these kind of discussions are starting to grate on my nerves.


How horrific to indulge Ake's "horror" fantasy in such a blithe and carefree way.

I've been wondering how long it would take before Ake stopped repeating unsubstantiated assertions and started rinsing his morbidly descriptive and vivid imagination again of all its darkest imagery.

We've had it in previous threads, where he has taken us in glorious detail through his fascination (and of course disgust .... he just loves to feel that disgust) with the image of two men having sex with each other.

He asks us when we'll admit that this is all about Anal sex and promiscuity.

I'm starting to see that that is true.

And now you are regaling us with descriptions of rape fantasies.


Did these events occur?

NO!

Then where did they come from?

your imagination - that's where.

They are fantasy.

Your fantasy.


Your whole argument is based on fantasy and when given the chance you just love to describe that fantasy in all its horrific glory.

Would I rather be raped by a man or a woman?!?!?!?!?!

WTF?!?!?!?!?!

Tell me Ake, does it disgust you how all these gay men (closet paedophiles) abuse their victims too?

"Would you like me to draw any pictures?"

No thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:48 PM

Sorry 999....the figure comes from CDC who quote 53% of all new aids cases are within the homosexual community.
Homosexuals make up 2-3% of the population, so the "fifty times" figure can be extrapolated from the two percentages

But I'll say no more about it if you don't mention fag jokes!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:40 PM

If you're thinking along the lines of elephants' trunks, and if you can do that, you're the eighth wonder of the world, and you'll have shagged yourself in the process.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:37 PM

999--that depends on your degree of sphinctral prehensility, no?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:34 PM

Speaking of foreign objects lodged in one's nether regions-- , it's going to be difficult to dial 911 (999 for the UKers), imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:31 PM

"are 50 times more likely to develop aids than heteros"

That's just not true, Ake. That info comes from a fundamentalist "christian" website. Notice I didn't capitalize christian. The fifty times more likely crap is just that. Fact is, people who have unprotected sex are a 1,000,000 times more likely to 'develop' AIDS than those who abstain or use condoms, be they gay or straight.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:28 PM

You said... "Let me re- phrase the question, would you rather be raped by a homosexual or subjected to attempted murder by a woman holding a broken bottle and about to insert it into your anus?"

With an emphasis on "would YOU rather", and me being female, I am saying why would a homosexual [male]* want to rape a woman? Any woman? As you know, I have been on the thread throughout so have been reading. * my brackets

I am having great trouble understanding your premise and where it is coming from or going to. The example you are using, at least to me, is irrelevant, as it has nothing to do with original thread and it's continuing support from most of acceptance for gay people. Demonising them will not actually make the argument any more or less valid.

In short I do not understandit because I am not worrying about what gay people want to do. I accept they are gay through no choice of their own and they have a right to live as you and I, free and without prejudice. If they choose to risk their lives, along with the straight and bi sections of the community, by unsafe practices, then that is their own decision. Being gay is not a decision. This is not liberalsim, politically motivated, or agenda driven other than to accept the diversity that is human nature. Your argument appears to stand against just gay men. IF the argument was to be to try and educate and stop the sexual carnage that is going on with promiscuity for all sexualities, I would agree with you far more. Indeed, I advocate safe sex for everyone in any case. Where you and I seem to differ, and others on this thread, is that we do not see it as a gay issue.

We really must agree to disagree akenaton as we do seem to be on very opposite sides. I am not willing to name call to make any other points. People can have their opinions. I would like to think mine are based on experience and research as I know it. I simply cannot go along with your argument... though I did read the last sentence of your post to me (in whatever dialect it was written in it was understandable with a little practice). It's not complicated. It's just that we disagree and I fear that will remain the case on this topic.

And now I must go to bed as I have work in the morning and I am up later than I should be.

Good luck with your postings

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:25 PM

Amos....I like your wee lists, very neat n'tidy.
But you've missed one wee tiny detail to the homosexual one

"are 50 times more likely to develop aids than heteros"


Jist tryin' tae be helpful, 'ken.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:18 PM

Gentlemen, breathe deeply.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:17 PM

Ake, your obsession with anal sex has now escalated to an obsession with anal rape—with a whole variety of implements. Let me make a suggestion:

Step out into a motorway, lift your kilt, moon (altogether, now!) "a bonny army lorry," and try to entice it to drive up your exit ramp.

That oughta be quite a thrill for you!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:04 PM

"Why would a homosexual rape a woman?

I suspect having a broken bottle put inside your anus or vagina (or used to cut your penis off) would be potentially immediately more life threatening than any organ being placed inside you, at least initially.

TBH, to rather have one thing or the other happen you would have to be a fu***** idiot... or very sick.

The argument you are making, using the example you have, is still irrelevant, sorry"

Now this is a bit complicated MP.......See that thing ye dae wi yer hauns ower yer een.....is it "facepalm" ye ca'it?......Well ah think mibee yer meant tae tak yer hauns away an read the threid afore ye start typin' doll.   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:54 PM

Don, as you know I dont normally respond to your shite, but when in the last few months have you posted any topic of any interest whatsoever?

If lunacy is a job requirement, then Don's yer man, you Ugandans!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:53 PM

Why would a homosexual rape a woman?

I suspect having a broken bottle put inside your anus or vagina (or used to cut your penis off) would be potentially immediately more life threatening than any organ being placed inside you, at least initially.

TBH, to rather have one thing or the other happen you would have to be a fu***** idiot... or very sick.

The argument you are making, using the example you have, is still irrelevant, sorry.

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:41 PM

Yet another topic gets lost completely under the weight of Akenaton's desire to rule over the rest of the world's private lives.

Why don't you go and take over Uganda, Ake, they must be about ripe for another lunatic dictator.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:38 PM

The issue is NOT rape in any case. That's just a red herring.

The issue, originally, was the brutalization of individuals in a minority by individuals in a majority as defined by sexual orientation.

Hetero men and women:

Have sex
May get AIDs
Increase the risk of STDs if uneducated or careless about them
Increase risk of STDs if they engage in anal intercourse
Only engage in anal intercourse in some cases, not in all.
Engage in oral sex.
Engage in manual sex.
Are allowed to define one another as spouses with concomitant legal priveleges such as survivorship, co-ownership, insurance, etc.

Homo men and women:

Have sex
May get AIDs
Increase the risk of STDs if uneducated or careless about them
Increase risk of STDs if they engage in anal intercourse
Only engage in anal intercourse in some cases, not in all.
Engage in oral sex.
Engage in manual sex.
Are not allowed to define one another as spouses with concomitant legal priveleges such as survivorship, co-ownership, insurance, etc.

Why is this logical?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:37 PM

No.....they might be "liberals"

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: TheSnail
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:35 PM

Isn't it the defining aspect of rape that you don't have a choice?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:20 PM

Let me re- phrase the question, would you rather be raped by a homosexual or subjected to attempted murder by a woman holding a broken bottle and about to insert it into your anus?

Fucking idiots!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:14 PM

I think Ebbie, that if forced to chose, most men would rather be raped with a broom handle than a penis!

Btw, if you had taken the time to read the thread, you would KNOW why the question was posed....and prurience had absolutely nothing to do with it. I will "back off" or as Sister says "fuck off" when I am good and ready and need no advice on how to conduct my self or my argument from either of you

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:12 PM

Pardon me, but I will add one comment to my post above. A question, actually.

In the incident I describe above, who of the three men was (were) the "pervert(s)?"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:04 PM

Little Hawk, it sounds like you are making light of it. Broom handles and glass bottles have often been used.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:04 PM

I mention above about my college acquaintance, Tony, who was rather obviously gay, from time to time getting dragged into a back alley by a couple of "he-men" and beaten up.

GfS insists that homosexuality is a matter of free choice, and further, that it is a psychological aberration that can be cured by proper counseling. Ake has heartfelt concern for the detrimental effects on those who practice anal intercourse—along with the pedophilia which he tells us is rampant among homosexual men. Both seem to be insisting that homosexual activity is "unnatural" (despite the incidence of homosexual activity within the animal kingdom) and "a perversion" (which can be anything one finds distasteful), although, to be fair, neither go quite as far as those of a religious fundamentalist bent who insist the homosexuality is a mortal sin.

One wonders sometimes where all this earnest concern for the health and well-being of gay men leaves off—and veiled hate speech begins. One also wonders where this sort of thing can lead. Well. . . .

Without further comment:

On October 7, 1998, at the Fireside Lounge in Laramie, Wyoming, Russel Arther Henderson and Aaron James McKinney, both 21 years old, picked up Matthew Shepard, a college student and also 21, and drove him to a remote rural area where they robbed him, pistol-whipped and tortured him, then tied him to a fence and left him to die.

Some 18 hours later Aaron Kreifels discovered Shepard, after initially mistaking him for a scarecrow. Shepard was still alive, but in a coma.

Shepard suffered fractures to the back of his head and in front of his right ear. He had severe brain stem damage, which affected his body's ability to regulate heart rate, body temperature, and other vital functions. There were also a dozen lacerations around his head, face, and neck. His injuries were deemed too severe for doctors to operate. Shepard never regained consciousness and remained on full life support. As he lay in intensive care, candlelight vigils were held by the people of Laramie.

He was pronounced dead at 12:53 A.M. on October 12, 1998, at Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado.

Police arrested McKinney and Henderson shortly thereafter, finding the bloody gun as well as the victim's shoes and wallet in their truck.

Henderson and McKinney had attempted to persuade their girlfriends to provide alibis, but subsequently the two of them were convicted of kidnapping and felony murder. Each "copped a plea" to avoid a death sentence, and each of them was given two consecutive life sentences without possibility of parole.

Why had the two of them committed this vicious act?

Matthew Shepard was gay.

Don Firth

P. S. I couldn't find a video, but here are the words to a song recorded by Peter Paul and Mary. CLICKY

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:00 PM

"...so called liberals are prepared to watch a minority decimated by disease, rather than criticise the lifestyle which causes the damage."


In what way does criticizing the lifestyle help the minority?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:59 PM

When it comes to my least favorite way to be raped, Ebbie...yes, I would prefer rape by penis to rape by broom handle, jackhammer, schmeisser submachine gun... or monitor lizard.

I think...

Hmmm. I gotta sit down and really give this some thought.

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:55 PM

Lifestyle doesn't cause the damage. HIV does.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:50 PM

Sister and Hawk, I was of course referring more to the psychlogical trauma.
Your thoughts on "homophobia" are right on the button Hawk, to the extent that so called liberals are prepared to watch a minority decimated by disease, rather than criticise the lifestyle which causes the damage.

Sister...you seem rather a good example of the female type which you describe.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:44 PM

"...if any real heterosexuals among you were given the choice of being raped by a woman or a man....which would you chose, and which would fill you with horror!"

Good god. What kind of question is that? (Why do I keep getting the feeling that there is a prurient aspect to a certain person's stance?)

Rape = force. Rape by broom handle or glass bottle or whatever/em> besides a penis would be far more horrendous, because it denotes a further twist to the attack; the chances of escaping alive would be seriously reduced.

Ake, I think you need to back off.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:33 PM

Jim...We seem to have more in common than I thought.
The killing of animals for fun also revolts me.
Were you ever a member of the CP by any chance?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:26 PM

I would to some considerable extent prefer being raped by a woman than by a man if I was forced to make a choice between one or the other. But I still would not like it. And that is the plain truth, quite apart from poltically correct posturing to make sure that no one listening in here thinks (gasp!) that I might be homophobic!

To be branded as homophobic these days is pretty much like being accused of consorting with the devil back in 1550. It is to be avoided at all cost. This accounts for a great deal of the frenzied rhetoric one hears about it all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:26 PM

So comforting having the (quite obvious) ignorance of inexperience isn't it little h? There are those amongst us who know different. Nothing is obvious if unknown. Women can use all kinds of things to rape. Imagination, like I said.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:16 PM

"... if any real heterosexuals among you were given the choice of being raped by a woman or a man....which would you chose, and which would fill you with horror!"

I suspect the question is somewhat irrelevant. What gender would the hetrosexual be? And rape is rape. Something else that is not a choice to the person being raped no matter their gender or sexual orientation.

I find the very idea perverse and repulsive anyone being raped by anyone, to answer part of your question.

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:08 PM

Rape by penis is potentially more harmful and invasive than rape by lips or fingers, seems to me...but it's clear that either experience would be quite unpleasant for the recipient in both a physical and a psychological sense. Nevertheless, the possibility or likelihood of such an assault by a man (gay or otherwise) is tremendously higher than it is by a woman...and everybody knows that. It's completely obvious. It's like saying "You are more likely to drown in water than in sand." (and you definitely can drown in either)

The very nature of male sexuality, by virtue of the physical structure of males, is more aggressive, while the nature of female sexuality, again by virtue of the physical structure itself, is more receptive (or passive). That doesn't prevent some individual females from being aggressive, of course, nor does it prevent some individual males from being passive, but it definitely does color the general nature of their sexual actions to a considerable extent.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:07 PM

In answer to the earlier puzzlement about the fixation on others' sexual proclivities and activities, I can only conclude it stems from a sorry uncertainty about one's own...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:05 PM

As a woman, I'd "choose" to be raped by whomever got out of my spacve as past as possible.

I wonder what our resident anti-gay posters would prefer to be raped by? All man, or man with dick and titties? Double the "trauma" hey.. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:02 PM

Do you mind! I want my full title... a LIBERAL numbskull ;-)


The studies have been done and the recommendations made, of all non safe sex practices for all sexualities. The results have been known for some time. I think you will find they found there are negative medical aspects to all kinds of things sexual, for straight, gay or bi. The factual studies are not hard to find for anyone wanting to find them. Still...

I'll just sit and facepalm now as anything else I would want to say has been blugeoned out of me lol

mp