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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 10 Mar 11 - 01:18 PM Ya know, GuestInsanity, you're certainly not doing the The Sisterhood any favors. You're the embodyment of the tired, old slander that women are incapable of anylitical reasoning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Mar 11 - 12:56 PM Greg: "OBJECTION! Assuming brains not in evidence." Are you speaking for yourself?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 10 Mar 11 - 09:29 AM the Republican Party will go down in flames... OBJECTION! Assuming brains not in evidence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 10 Mar 11 - 08:37 AM But back to Meyerson... I'm going to make copies of that op-ed and give it to anyone who will read it... It is very eye-opening... If the Tea Party folks were to read it then they would abandon the Republican Party today... Blaming Dems and government workers ain't why they are either unemployed or underemployed and when that BIGASS LIE is debunked the Republican Party will go down in flames... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 09 Mar 11 - 10:35 PM Sorry, it was Harold Meyerson, Donuel... Another columnist I find, ahhhh, boring... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 09 Mar 11 - 10:31 PM Yo, Donuel... I am in NC but I picked up the Washington Post this mornin' and the best editorial to date was written by Robert Samuelson... Yeah, I know, yawn... But he laid it out there... He explained the Tea Party in terms of economics and it is one fine piece or writing by a guy I usually don't find a;l that interesting.... Read it!!! B~ (in NC) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 09 Mar 11 - 07:36 PM Tea Party members and its sympathizers are the most pluralistic and culturally diverse people with the credo of inclusiveness that cuts across all socio economic boundries and hearlds a new day in the peaceful implementation of humane domestic policies and distribution of health, wealth and education for all Americans and its visitors !!!!!!!!!!!! Or so the ceo of npr fundraising had wished he had said... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 09 Mar 11 - 07:00 AM The point was that the NVA/VC had the abilities to strike well within S. Vietnam and that Nixon failed to accept that reality... It was an example of just what kind of enemy we were ***trying*** to fight... That's the part that escaped both Nixon and Johnson... Both thought it was a conventional war and neither were willing to accept that it wasn't so they went along using WW II/Korean tactics... That is why after 100s of weeks of fighting those who parrot that the the US was within a week of winning sound like the folks who claim that man never flew to the moon... Nixon was delusional... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 09 Mar 11 - 03:35 AM "Also, the Tet Offensive was a NVA/VC action. " But they still kicked arse... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 09 Mar 11 - 01:58 AM Don't comprehend the concept of "productive uses of my time and energy," eh, GfinS? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Mar 11 - 12:42 AM Froth: "...Why should I waste my time? There are more productive uses of my time and energy." You're right on that one!..Don't you have a mirror to stare into? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Mar 11 - 11:46 PM Also, the Tet Offensive was a NVA/VC action. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Mar 11 - 11:43 PM I don't think you'd recognize a fact if it bit you on the ass. Your mind is made up, as it is about a number of issues. Why should I waste my time? There are more productive uses of my time and energy. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Mar 11 - 11:34 PM Oh, I'm convinced! pdq just posted a FACT..what do you got?..besides a snide remark? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Mar 11 - 10:54 PM Republican revisionist history. There was a bit more to it that that, guys. I was alive during all of this. And I remember clearly. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: pdq Date: 08 Mar 11 - 10:26 PM "We also saw witnessed the Tet Offensive which clearly wasn't part of Nixon's "Secret Plan"..." ~ B-pert No, the Tet Offensive was in January 1968, months before Nixon was even nominated. The Viet Nam mess was given to us by two Democrats: Robert McNamara and Lyndon Johnson. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Mar 11 - 10:23 PM I thought you'd get a kick out of that, you old fart! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Mar 11 - 07:25 PM LOL... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Mar 11 - 06:42 PM Bobertz: "I mean, let's get real here... Some people make the effort to get educated and, more importantly, ***stay*** educated... Others??? Just parrots repeating whatever their "handlers" want them to parrot..." I'll take that..from you..an expert!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Mar 11 - 06:40 PM No, they are not all full of shit, GfinS... Just the ones that are full of shit are full of shit... I mean, let's get real here... Some people make the effort to get educated and, more importantly, ***stay*** educated... Others??? Just parrots repeating whatever their "handlers" want them to parrot... One of these groups is full of shit and the other deserves a little respect for spending the time to not be full of shit... Here's the deal... Bubba loves to brag about he ain't into them eastern, Volvo-driving, latte-sippin' elitists but when Bubba get cancer he's gonna seek out the brightest eastern, Volvo-driving, latte-sippin' surgeon he can find... But Bubba is perfectly willing to turn the governing of our country over to people who clearly are full of shit and eat up ignorant??? Go figure??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Mar 11 - 06:21 PM Yeah, Bobertz, I agree....They're all full of shit! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Mar 11 - 08:12 AM No, Nixon didn't get *US* out of Vietnam, GfinS... The Vietnamese did... I mean, let's dabble in reality for a minute here... During the '68 campaign Nixon went around telling everyone that he had a... ..."Secret Plan" to get *US* out of Vietnam!!! That was 1968... When did the Vietnam War end, GfinS??? '69??? 70??? 71??? No, 72???, How about '73??? Nope, not yet... Well, then it must have been '74, right... Nope, still going on... Reality is that it was not until April of 1975!!! Seven years after Nixon's announcement of his "Secret Plan"... During those year Nixon bombed the crap out North Vietnam and Cambodia trying to stop the movement of supplies and manpower and it didn't work... We also saw witnessed the Tet Offensive which clearly wasn't part of Nixon's "Secret Plan"... No, to say that Nixon got *US* out of Vietnam does not do justice to reality... Speaking of justice??? Have you ever listened to any of the LBJ tapes, GfinS??? Man, they are very enlightening... Like Robert Byrd, Johnson did make some very fundamental changes in his thinking about racism and deserves credit for making those changes... That's the "courage" part that I, as well as most students of history, appreciate in Johnson... I mean, we have to give credit where credit is due least our thinking becomes so one-dimensional that we are not able to think critically... If you were to ask the older black people, especially in the South, what they thought of LBJ you'd be surprised to find that a deep respect for 'ol Lyndon... That speaks more than anything... Of course, Dr. King had a lot to do with it because he worked Lyndon purdy hard... But, hey... ...we do need to accept that bad people can change and do good things and Lyndon did just that even if it was at the expense of the Democratic Party in the South... As for rejecting the Dems??? Hey, what we have here is a complete imbalance of information and it is skewed way right... I mean, by today's standards, Dwight Eisenhower would be a flaming leftist so it is understandable that uninformed people hold uninformed views... In other words... ...garbage in = garbage out!!! Square business... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST Date: 08 Mar 11 - 05:00 AM Ok the Cookie Monster struck again ... Foolestroupe |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST Date: 08 Mar 11 - 04:59 AM And so you can clearly see the 2 party bias that pervades most US political thinking due to their first past the post voting and which the participants can not notice - other countries with more than 2 entrenched parties are less prone to this blind dichotomous thinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Mar 11 - 03:33 AM Bobertz: "Johnson, however, gets credit for the courage (insanity) he showed in pushing thru the Civil Rights Act and the Great Society..." Yes, he must have made a 'deal' from the time he single handedly blocked integration in 1959, under Eisenhower!!!(Betcha' didn't know that, did ya'?) Bobertz: "Vietnam was messed up and LBJ and Nixon kept it messed up... I don't know which one was worse when it came to Vietnam..." Well, I'm certainly NO fan of Tricky Dick, and say what you will.......but he did get us out of Vietnam...didn't he?....NOT Johnson. Ironic, how some of you are such ardent staunch Democratic devotees, but it was THEM that got you started, protesting our government!! Boy!..They did a job on you!!! No wonder you can't tell if you're comin' or goin'! A lot of us, out here in Mudcat-Land, just marvel at the stuff you peddle, right from DNC talking points, which are really, always the 'truth', right?..I mean, come on...don't a lot of you scramble around looking for a justification of the hypocrisy that oozes out of Washington, just to uphold 'somebody's bullshit' party line(as in 'excuse'), worn out catch phrases, that somehow, are being swallowed up, by the actions of these clowns, that sold it to you?????? I'm not a Republican, nor a Tea Partier...but land sakes alive, can't you even CONSIDER that the Dems have SHOWN that they are easy prey for rejection????..just out of the amount of lies and excuses they have to give to cover their asses!!!! This is who I want to represent ME????...YOU?????....some hustler special interest schmuck, maybe..but NOT the ideals that we all claim to admire!!!! Oh, well....if there is an 'excuse', you can always couch it with, "It's for the children, sniff, sniff" GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 07 Mar 11 - 11:30 PM ".. . supported LBJ and the Vietnam war. . . ." You've gotta be kidding!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 09:33 PM GfS: I can take no credit. They came off the internet. My apologies for not attributing when I posted. That said, I really liked Will Rogers from the first time I met his humour in a book about his life. I'm with you in some ways: tired of batting my head against various walls. Video (in ten parts) performed by Hal Holbrook: it's called "Mark Twain Tonight". I saw the show on tv back in the late 1960s. I think you'll enjoy it, although I expect you've seen it before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 07 Mar 11 - 08:18 PM Not me, GfinS... Nor did I support Richard Nixon or Ford... Vietnam was messed up and LBJ and Nixon kept it messed up... I don't know which one was worse when it came to Vietnam... Johnson, however, gets credit for the courage (insanity) he showed in pushing thru the Civil Rights Act and the Great Society... That ttok some balls (insanity) because he even said that in the case of the Civil Right Act that he was killing off his own party in the South for what he said would be "a generation"... He was wrong there... It killed off the Democratic Party in the south for 100 years... Maybe a 1000 years??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Mar 11 - 05:36 PM Laughing My Ass Off! Guess 999, I loved your quotes!!! Hey, guys..Obama is doing the same thing Bush did!..and that includes LYING!..and one of the most ironic things is some of you think the Democrats are honest!!!!..and even more honest than the Republicans!!! Now, just for shits and giggles, what specifically is John Perkins lying about?? (not that I believe or disbelieve him)....and being as their are so many loyal Democrats here, I suppose you all supported LBJ and the Vietnam war!!!!!! Choke on that one! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 07 Mar 11 - 05:10 PM The Tea Party is a front organization for the Koch Brothers and the Americans For Prosperity. They are misguided and angry people who don't realize that they are being screwed by corporate interests and made to believe propaganda rather than deal with real facts. The facts are clear. Rich people don't want to share the burden of taxes. Billions are being spent in two failed wars. Republicans are fighting "culture war" issues instead of taking care of jobs. Jobs will not be created by Corporate America because it diminishes their bottom line. The real America is beginning to stand up. Anyone who brings a gun to a political event in my opinion is a terrorist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Mar 11 - 04:52 PM "The war could have been won with the use of nuclear weapons and without the meddling of those infernal bastards in Washington" There were those who wanted nukes in Korea - against China. Washington stopped that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 04:14 PM Sorry about that post. Can't do a clicky on this machine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 04:12 PM Will Rogers was an amazing person and one of the wisest men of any generation. His accomplishments include being a champion lasso thrower, a performer on the Broadway stage, the star of 71 movies, a radio broadcaster, an author of six books, and a syndicated newspaper columnist. Will Rogers traveled around the world three times and befriended presidents, senators, prime ministers, and kings. Will Rogers was famous for his simple, insightful humor and his ability to connect honestly with everyone he met. His comments about politics in general and the politics of his generation are among his most memorable. The following are some of the best Will Rogers political quotes. There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you. Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate; now what's going to happen to us with both a Senate and a House? I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. The more you read and observe about this Politics thing, you got to admit that each party is worse than the other. The one that's out always looks the best. The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf has. On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does. The man with the best job in the country is the Vice President. All he has to do is get up every morning and say, "How's the President?" An economist's guess is liable to be as good as anybody else's. Alexander Hamilton started the U.S. Treasury with nothing -- and that was the closest our country has ever been to being even. If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for. Politics has become so expensive that it takes a lot of money even to be defeated. Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie" until you can find a rock. A fool and his money are soon elected. About all I can say for the United States Senate is that it opens with a prayer and closes with an investigation. Our Constitution protects aliens, drunks, and U.S. Senators. Anything important is never left to the vote of the people. We only get to vote on some man; we never get to vote on what he is to do. Politics is applesauce. Diplomats are just as essential to starting a war as soldiers are for finishing it… You take diplomacy out of war, and the thing would fall flat in a week. I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him "father." There ought to be one day—just one—when there is open season on senators. The country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer. If I studied all my life, I couldn't think up half the number of funny things passed in one session of Congress. If you ever injected truth into politics you'd have no politics. Things in our country run in spite of government, not by aid of it. We don't seem to be able to check crime, so why not legalize it and then tax it out of business? Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke. Liberty doesn't work as well in practice as it does in speeches. Ohio claims they are due a president as they haven't had one since Taft. Look at the United States; they have not had one since Lincoln. The 1928 Republican Convention opened with a prayer. If the Lord can see His way clear to bless the Republican Party the way it's been carrying on, then the rest of us ought to get it without even asking. There is no more independence in politics than there is in jail. All I know is just what I read in the papers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance. Will Rogers was asked about the nature of his humorous remarks about politicians. "I have often said in answer to inquiries as to how I got away with kidding some of our public men, that it was because I liked all of them personally, and that if there was no malice in your heart there could be none in your gags, and I have always said I never met a man I didn't like." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 04:01 PM Ya know, Greg, maybe the answer is folks like Will Rogers and Mark Twain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 12:21 PM The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet. - Mark Twain in Eruption I hear you. We're lots like that in Canada, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Mar 11 - 12:16 PM Well, Bruce, as far as the "vibrant democracy" goes, I'm with Abe Lincoln. "I feel like the man who was tarred and feathered and ridden out of town on a rail. To the man who asked him how he liked it, he said: 'If it wasn't for the honor of the thing, I'd rather walk.'" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:52 AM The Tea Party seems to be filled with dilettanets Tthey seem to be talking nonsense and having fun. You live in a vibrant democracy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:48 AM Overall, he is making it up and amusing himself bigtime. He has made millions selling books so he seems to have the last laugh, at everyone else's expense. Kinda like George W. Bush, you mean. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:44 AM John Perkin's [book] explains exactly what I just talked about with the bigh corporations using billion$$$ to by influence... Well, he sure ain't lying about that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: pdq Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:37 AM John Perkins is a pathological liar. I listened to a radio interview a few years ago when the book mentioned here first came out. Perkins said he was always the best liar he knew and was proud of that. He said he has been lying all of his life, was lying when he worked IMF, was lying when he wrote the book and was lying right now. Yes, he said he was lying during the interview. He seemed smug and proud of it. You can't take anything he says seriously even though he may throw out a fact now and then. Overall, he is making it up and amusing himself bigtime. He has made millions selling books so he seems to have the last laugh, at everyone else's expense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:22 AM Have you read John Perkin's the book, GfinS??? It explains exactly what I just talked about with the bigh corporations using billion$$$ to by influence... John has long been a darlin' of the left... He's been on both NPR and Democracy Now... He fully understands the Tea Party and who owns these people... And so do I... These Tea Partiers want to shut down any federal agency that is out there trying to keep the polluters from poisoning our water and air or using their influence to get billions$$$ of our tax dollars for absolutely nothing that we actually need and, like farm, subsidies, nothing at all... Just corporate welfare... And guess which party the big crooks have chosen as "their" party... If you guessed the Democratic Party you guess wrong... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:14 AM Columnist Sebastian Mallaby of the Washington Post reacted sharply to Perkins' book: "This man is a frothing conspiracy theorist, a vainglorious peddler of nonsense, and yet his book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, is a runaway bestseller." Mallaby, who spent 13 years writing for the London Economist ... holds that Perkins' conception of international finance is "largely a dream" and that his "basic contentions are flat wrong." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Mar 11 - 09:58 AM Oh, you want to keep spending money...for BULLSHIT....check this out! Reason for all the 'urgent spending, including 'stimulous'. BOTH administrations There's more..check them out! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Mar 11 - 09:46 AM ...we would have 'won'(?), had the war gone on, just one more week... Talk about 'divorced from reality'.... maybe it really IS GuestInsanity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 07 Mar 11 - 08:26 AM I couldn't get my pudder to play but the 1st minute an 30 seconds but I'm assuming it got around to the million$$$ that the Koch brothers threw into the mix to hire "community organizers", rent offices, etc... Oh, and I'm sure it gota round to Doick Aremy's "Freedom Works", his lobbyist firm and the millions$$$ thnat the health insurance and pharma funneled to the Tea Party to hire more "community" organizers, rent more offices, rent buses, etc... Grass roots, my butt... Because of the corrupt campaign finance laws it's impossible to ever know how much $$$ the Tea Party cost the rich but if you throw in FOX's "in kind" contributions I'd dare say that we're not looking at just hundreds of millions$$$ but billion$$$... Tell ya'll what... If I had that money to mount a campaign I could get a hundred leftie radicals elected to the House of Reps because our government is "the best that money can buy"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Mar 11 - 09:36 PM The war could have been won with the use of nuclear weapons and without the meddling of those infernal bastards in Washington. Maybe it's a good thing it wasn't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 06 Mar 11 - 09:44 AM Addition: Oh, one very important that I left out of my last post concerns that all important logistical aspect of the war involving supplies... Vietnam was the signature "Cold War" proxy war between the US and the USSR/China... This is the part that the military scientists use in teaching... Because of the geography it was relatively easy for both the Russians and the Chinese to re-supply the National Liberation Front (NLF) via North Vietnam since the US had no way of cutting those land supply routes... If supplies had to come in boats then from strictly a logistics side it would have been easier tho given the fact that South Vietnam was involved in a "hot civil war" within itself wouldn't have changed anything... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 06 Mar 11 - 09:15 AM First of all, there was absolutely no way for the US to have won militarily in Vietnam... A lot of people think this was a war strictly between North and South Vietnam... That is revisionistic mythology... Reality was that it was a lot more than that... After President Diem was assassinated by our CIA South Vietnam broke into civil war and the more the US tried to stop it the worse it got... How could the US ever defeated the Viet Cong??? Well, they couldn't have... That was the lesson that we should have learned... Most military scholars understand that... The POW-MIA grunts who are now in their 60s and riding their Harleys to DC every Memorial Day can't bring themselves to let the loss be... So they fight and fight and fight and will die fighting because we, as a nation, never laid Vietnam to rest... But the military scholars know that a war such a Vietnam, where half the population can by day live among you and at night become gorilla fighters against the existing puppet government and occupiers, can never be won... I mean, we bombed Laos and Cambodia to pieces trying to stop men and material coming south on the Ho Chi Min Trail and reality was that, as in any war, logistics of getting material and men to the battle is the hardest part, the bombing never interrupted the supply... I mean, look at the number of fully supplied North Vietnamese and Viet Cong there were in Saigon as we tried to evacuate the last of the South Vietnamese who had been faithful to *US*... No, quite the opposite... Most military historians understand exactly why Vietnam was unwinnable... But, of course, we do have the conspiracy theorists who are playing to the emotions of the folks who have not, and cannot, square what they they were involved with... I understand that... No one can square it, regardless of one's history... We anti-war folks can't square it either... Our entire generation will die without Vietnam even being resolved... But that's the emotional side which has nothing to do with... ...the military ***science*** side... I mean, there are reason why we are hearing wise old military men who understand the ***science*** of war warning *US* not to get sucked into Lybia... I've heard two this week make reference to Vietnam... I think that should set aside the conspiracy theories that the US was one week away from winning in Vietnam... These men learned the lessons from Vietnam... But seein' as the conspiracy theorists have put together their mythology package for consumption there is really no reason to re-fight a war that military scientists use as an example of the kind of war that cannot be won so I'll just side with the older and wiser men who weren't the grunts and have a different perspective... The debate really cannot ever be won because certain people will believe whatever they want regardless of the merits of their beliefs and, hey, if the POW-MIAers want/need to believe that the war could have been won, then that's what they are going to believe... So, GfinS, if you are waiting expecting me to deliver that last bit of Evidence then you'll be waiting a long time but we were told over and over during the war that victory was right around the corner... Richard Nixon won in 1968 partly because he had a "secret plan" to win the war... The war went another 7 long years... In all we were in Vietnam from 1959 to 1975 in some capacity and from 1965 to 1975 engaged in a "hot war"... That made fir 16 years and so if folks need/want to think another week would have made the difference, then, hey, let 'um... There are people who strongly believe that the moon landing was staged in the Majave Desert??? I mean, what more can I say??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Mar 11 - 12:22 AM F-Guy: "WoW! This is really 'militant' stuff - Those who said 'get out of Vietnam' WON, remember? :-)" And according to Russian documents, when the country broke up, we would have 'won'(?), had the war gone on, just one more week...Then, we could still be importing all that 'China White' from the 'Golden Triangle'..which is one huge reason the 'war' dragged on so long! Not to worry, I was opposed to that bullshit...all of it!..and thought LBJ was a piece of shit, along with it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 05 Mar 11 - 11:32 PM "Weatherman member Linda Sue Evans travels to North Vietnam. " WoW! This is really 'militant' stuff - Those who said 'get out of Vietnam' WON, remember? :-) |