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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Aug 10 - 05:23 PM Jimmy, I guess you weren't here, when I first told you that homosexuality brought a death penalty, under Sharia law. I figured you'd say something, about such 'wonderful' tolerance, but you didn't. Now you're asking "Why" I'm bringing it up now??....My FIRST post to you had it!....JEEZ! Your a bit slow here....BUT, at least you're changing your tone, and at least SAYING you 'love'(well sorta), all these different groups(even though when the topic comes up, on a thread, you sure sound different)!..Like I asked you,(a long time ago), "Are you only as good, as the last person you talk to?" ....That got by ya', too. But, anyway, the hateful rhetoric has slowed down...... (Maybe it was that link, eh?) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 13 Aug 10 - 04:57 PM "I suspect the term "sexuality" may not exist in many Middle East discussions...at least in general public. You may possibly get stoned (not the nice version) for doing that." Interesting to see the racists crawling out of their worm-holes - even if their targets are Semites. At least it points the finger in the right direction. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 13 Aug 10 - 04:21 PM "MY approach?? " Well BB - I have read posts of yours in the past which don't so much insinuate as clearly imply that if you condemn the Israeli Government the only possible reason is that you hate Jews. That is certainly Bobads approach, and now it would appear to be robertos approach. Though in Robertos case, he says "you are an israeli hater because you are x" but then when it turns out that you are not in fact "x" at all, he states that you are an Israeli hater because you are not "x". In other words, it is true because he says it is true. The fact is, that of all of those debating here, those who condemn Israeli aggression also condemn Palestinian Aggression, with the POSSIBLE exception of one, but only if you accept the rationale of those who accuse him of sympathizing with Palestinian Agression. In other words, those on this website who condemn Israeli aggression, do so from a non partisan and impartial standpoint. Those who support Israeli agression accuse those who condemn it of being Israel Haters. You would like to condemn Hamas and exonerate thugs like Sharon. Not very impartial ... very partisan. Equally, all those who condemn Israeli agression refer not to pro-palestinian sources, not to pro israeli sources, but to independant and accredited sources. Those who support Israeli agression refer frequently to pro israeli sources, and if the impartiality of these is questioned, their response is to say that the source is only questioned because it is Jewish. In other words, if the impartiality a pro Israeli source is questioned it can only be because the questioner is a bigot. Thus our pro Israeli contributors 'immunize' their own sources from criticism. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that there is a small group of contributors here who see the world as being divided between Jews and Jew haters. If you criticize Israel, you are a Jew hater. If you have sympathy for Palestinians you are a Jew hater. This small group of contributors is responsible for the reams and reams of words that have been puked up here. Why? Because on any other subject, we are able to exchange views, evolve and learn. On this subject, the unconditionally-pro-Israel group will not budge. They will not consider that the Israeli Government and the IDF might be doing it wrong. They will see any suggestion of that nature as being inspired by a hatred of Jews. In Bobads case, he just has a low opinion of Moslems as has been shown clearly by his comments in another thread, and I've forgotten who it was who tried sharing a little joke with him about those bungling palestinians killing themselves with their rockets. Oh very witty. Such comments make me sick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Ed T Date: 13 Aug 10 - 03:50 PM I suspect the term "sexuality" may not exist in many Middle East discussions...at least in general public. You may possibly get stoned (not the nice version) for doing that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 13 Aug 10 - 03:48 PM "Do you people hate the Jews so much that you would hide behind their suffering and persecution to win an argument?" I don't know Jim, there is certainly a patturn forming. You live in Ireland and Lox is Irish, is there an anti-Gaelic thing going on here? Is everyone who supports Israel secretly anti-Irish? It's all very suspect in my humble! Especially as I'm almost Irish too... Hmm. Otherwise GfS I'd rather hear the call to Prayer fromMecca than any amount of awful processed "Christian" music! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Ed T Date: 13 Aug 10 - 03:45 PM If the Israeli-Palestinian issue can't be civilly debated or theoretically resolved on music website, what chance does it have of being resolved in the heated atmosphere....where peoples memories go back thousands of years...in the Middle East? Answer, zero. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 13 Aug 10 - 03:40 PM Could those people who are hiding behind the accusatioion of 'racism' please show where anybody on this or any thread has attacked Israel for being Jewish - no, I thought not. There has been very little racism here, and that which has appeared has been by the pro-Israel faction. Do you people hate the Jews so much that you would hide behind their suffering and persecution to win an argument? As far as the boycott is concerned, I would consider any appeal to boycott any country, commercial company or organisation and weigh up its merits against my own concience. There are many causes that need support, but you can't choose them all so you pick those who have gone beyond the pale and which resonate the most with you. So I will support any action against Israel, because they have certainly overstepped the bounds of decency regarding treatment of its fellow-humans, and she will join Turkey, for its human rights abuses, Shell Petrol for it's support of paramilitaries who murder South American farmers in pursuit of oil, Esso Petrol for similar offences in Nigeria and Barclays Bank for its active support of Apartheid in South Africa (proud to say I never once bought South African goods while the racist regime was in place, and now that it isn't, it feels strange to buy their goods). As Silas suggests, it may not achieve anything great, but it does keep your hands clean and it helps draw attention to the atrocities - and it makes you feel you are standing up to be counted. Roberto: can I assume that I am not going to get an answer to my question regarding whether the Jewish people who are opposed to Israel's behaviour are anti-Semitic? GfS: Likewise, I assume I am not going to get an answer to your allusions to my sexuality - pity; it would help to display your homophobia once again and your disturbing obsession with other people's sexuality; usually a good indication of someone very unsure of their own. "Cluck-cluck-cluck" - as the chicken said. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Ed T Date: 13 Aug 10 - 03:38 PM BTW, Popcycles are the older bikes your grandpa drove. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Ed T Date: 13 Aug 10 - 03:37 PM I am ancestrally, half RC Irish. Does that mean I am half-hated? The other ancestral half is French....does that add something to the Irish hate, or take from it (he said, not intending to pinpoint the UK and USA)? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Ed T Date: 13 Aug 10 - 03:30 PM I like and support Lollipops, but on hot Mudcat days...which could be hotter in the Middle East, I prefer Popcycles. Or, not to offend the sensitive folk at Mudcat, the PC generic or " healthy alternative version", of course). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Aug 10 - 02:43 PM Well, it's just one big happy family!! So, in light of that, here is a song, performed by Irish friend, Lisa Kelly..from St. Patrick's Breastplate,(Irish Catholic), and in the video covers both Jews and Christians!..So, EVERYONE SHOULD get something wonderful out of it!!!! Something for everyone.........I think! Now what???? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 13 Aug 10 - 02:21 PM "And what incentives does the all too efficient Israeli PR machine give to twerps like you, to disseminate that utter garbage?" Lollipops! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 13 Aug 10 - 02:19 PM ""They are just trying TOO hard to be 'tragically hip'.....but they're only putting on a show, for here....As you have pointed out, they are hypocrites, trying to validate their hate. What they really are, is non-thinking bigoted haters of people, rather than upright supporters of people who defend their land and innocent citizens..... ..but because they're Jewish, they don't count!"" And what incentives does the all too efficient Israeli PR machine give to twerps like you, to disseminate that utter garbage? Israel's ruling administration has a very long record of violently disproportionate response to even the most minor provocation. It is without doubt more dangerous than all the terrorist organisations put together. It is the most likely cause of the next major conflagration, not if, but when the Middle East erupts into all out war. Apologists for the actions of the regime can bleat till the cows come home about victimisation, demonisation, etc. but the bottom line is that the "Persecuted Jew" is a very tired argument if you are seeing half a nation devastated in response to a few unaimed two bob rockets. If your neighbour throws a snowball at you, just try to pesuade the judge that hitting him with a baseball bat was a reasonable response. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: beardedbruce Date: 13 Aug 10 - 02:13 PM MY approach?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Ed T Date: 13 Aug 10 - 02:11 PM Now don't go boycottin the Americans. They don't really make anything anymore anyway, except nearly obsolete cars. The Chinese make most of their stuff for 'em, and it's getting hard to make it all for a dollar. You can boycott the Canadians, because you really wouldnt miss the hockey sticks and Maple syrup in Ireland anyway? If'in you still want to boycott Israel's products (or those who support them, this site gives you a head start....but beware of the Islamic stuff that might be scattered around the site, if you are weary of anything not Christian. Boycott 'r Us site On the other hand, if you want to boycott Hammas, your on your own, I am not sure what they make, except people "prickly" (and sometimes without the ly) on the Mudcat BS site. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Ed T Date: 13 Aug 10 - 01:58 PM I warned you about "the Jackals"...and some of you did not pay attention... and are getting real close to being disembowled. Let me see, if I figgured out the conversation: If Isreal likers/lovers/keeners (the ones that prefer bagels to Hummus) are not too keen on the Irish (aka haters)...after all, some Irish were known to be alter boys..., should Uz not come to a compromise and maybe boycott the Pope? This guy could be the greatest blah .. blah .. blah perveyor. He is an easy target, since what he sells/says seems to be in rather low demand these days...(and he now even seems to have gotten on shaky ground with Mel Gibsons father). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 13 Aug 10 - 01:29 PM Well BB, Being Irish, I have a deep dislike of people who say that they are entitled to act just as they choose because of their perception of the history of their country. Murder is murder and the Irish are sick to death of it. What is more, we know exactly how much denial, dishonesty, self righteousness and plain stubborn refusal to face the truth exists in the defence of murder. We have had enough of mealy mouthed apologists making excuses for murder. And we recognize those things when they occur all round the world whether they come from the mouths of the Loathsome Khaled Meshaal or from the Disgusting Binyamin Netanyahu - both in my view liars and hypocrites. We have a phrase - "you can't kid a kidder" Meaning 'don't bother with the excuses, not only have I heard them all, I've probably used a few myself'. There is one big similarity between the Israel/Palestine situation and the Northern Irish situation. It is that the politicians on both sides exploit and feed the paranoia of the people because it serves them well for whatever reason to perpetuate these problems. If you were able to think about this stuff impartially you might be able to take a fair look at people like Ariel Sharon and see them for who they really are - murderous thugs. Anyway - let me return to my application of your approach ... ... huh - Irish haters never have the courage of their convictions - they say they are your friends one minute but under the surface they harbour a bubblng hatred of an ancient culture that has a right to be ... blah .. blah .. blah ... .. cue Bobad sneering down his nose with a comment about "swamps" and maybe I'm not so far off the mark! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: beardedbruce Date: 13 Aug 10 - 01:13 PM I love the Irish. I just dislike people who make statements about how other countries should act without bothering to look at the history behind that country. Sort of like ME saying that one side in Ireland (Protestant/Catholic) is right WITHOUT bothering to find out the history there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 13 Aug 10 - 01:08 PM Good question BB ... Interesting though ... I could if I wanted to argue that there is a conspiracy here aginst the Irish as there seems to be a large crowd of unconditional-IDF-supporters doing their best to shut me and Jim Carroll up, despite us not knowing each other and despite us having differing views. What do we have in common? It MUST be that we're Irish. So BB, Roberto et al ... what have you all got against the Irish? Why do you hate us? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 13 Aug 10 - 01:07 PM Good question BB ... Interesting though ... I could if I wanted to argue that there is a conspiracy here aginst the Irish as there seems to be a large crowd of unconditional-IDF-supporters doing their best to shut us up, despite us not knowing each other and despite us having differing views. What do we have in common? It must be that we're Irish. So BB, Roberto et al ... what have you got against the Irish? Why do you hate us? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 13 Aug 10 - 01:02 PM Just to clarify. Roberto accuses me of boycotting Israel exclusively. I point out that I don't Boycott Israel exclusively. I also point out that I have never stated anywhere that I boycott Israel at all. I will add (because he is clearly too thick to work that part out for himself) that I haven't boycotted Israel. But Roberto manages to construe this as some kind of indication that I hate Israel. So lets run through that again ... If you boycott Israel = it follows that you hate Israel. If you don't boycott Israel = it follows that you hate Israel. Roberto - I think you need to pull your dick out of your ear because you're pissing out of your mouth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: beardedbruce Date: 13 Aug 10 - 01:00 PM WHICH Irish??? Nemedians, Fomorians, Fir Bolgs, Tuatha Dé Danann , Milesians, Normans, Flemish, Welsh, Picts, Bretons, Gauls or Anglo-Saxons? Specify the "real" inhabitants, please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 13 Aug 10 - 12:54 PM Why do you hate the Irish Roberto? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Aug 10 - 12:46 PM Roberto, You couldn't have said it better. I've been dealing with some 'Israel haters' on here, as you may have seen. I wonder about all those 'boycotting' Israel, and America...(which is probably a crock of shit). I'm sure they get their goods from China, which, of course, has a sterling reputation for 'human rights'! They are just trying TOO hard to be 'tragically hip'.....but they're only putting on a show, for here....As you have pointed out, they are hypocrites, trying to validate their hate. What they really are, is non-thinking bigoted haters of people, rather than upright supporters of people who defend their land and innocent citizens..... ..but because they're Jewish, they don't count! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Roberto Date: 13 Aug 10 - 12:27 PM Israel haters are a large group in the Western Countries. A trait most of them have in common, as an international community, is they want to be free to show all their hatred, exaggerate their claims etc, but if you challenge their assertions and initiatives, they deny, get all huffy, feel offended. The culture of complaint. They don't actually have the courage of their convictions. R |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 13 Aug 10 - 12:09 PM Roberto. Before you conclude that I "only" boycott Israel, you first have to establish that I boycott Israel at all. Secondly, I have answered your assertion that I only boycott Israel by saying NO! So for you to claim that you have a better Idea of who I do and don't boycott is not only arrogance, it is a LIE. Now - why don't you fuck off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Roberto Date: 13 Aug 10 - 11:52 AM Dear Lox, the fact is you boycott only Israel, the other words in your post are embellishments that don't change the situation. No words put in your mouth, just the observation of a fact. Take care of your credibility, don't get worried about mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 13 Aug 10 - 11:42 AM Roberto. No. I don't boycott only Israel. You put words in my mouth. I guess if you have no opinion, argument or facts to share then that is a way to pass the time, but as a political tool it weakens your credibility. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Silas Date: 13 Aug 10 - 11:18 AM No, I also try to avoid American products too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Roberto Date: 13 Aug 10 - 11:11 AM That is, you boycott only Israel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 13 Aug 10 - 11:07 AM All the ones that I would otherwise boycott already have UN sanctions against them. Israels has avoided UN sanctions for its crimes for one reason and one only, and that is that the USA has vetoed them. Consequently, it is up to those who wish to boycott them voluntarily to do so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Roberto Date: 13 Aug 10 - 09:46 AM Which other Countries are you merry boycotters presently boycotting? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Silas Date: 13 Aug 10 - 08:20 AM Some of us have been personally boycotting Israeli goods since the 1970s. Probably does no good at all, but makes me feel better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 13 Aug 10 - 08:14 AM "Now I'm sure NONE of this is relative to you...but to those who have families and loved ones, rather that sexual partners at whim," Just re-read your posting - and I wonder would you mind explaining it - completely lost on me unless it is a homophobic attack on someone who isn't either gay or sexually indiscriminate - which is par for the course in the contexts of your other postings. Meanwhile, back at the ranch. A group of Irish artists, musicians etc. have announced that they are boycotting Israel and will not be acceting any bookings there until it cleans up its act regarding its human rights record. This, and the move to get Dunne's Stores to boycott goods from Israel is a step in the direction of placing Israel where it belongs - next to Apartheid South Africa as an oppresive State. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Aug 10 - 04:16 AM Mouse, ..This is the short, easy version.....Of the original(Biblical times), and land granted to Israel, in 1948, the West Bank was part of Israel. Because many of the Palestinians at that time, were not Jewish, there were both Muslim and Christian Palestinians. I'm sure you can remember a few years back, when those two factions were warring. As to your last question, rather than being completely displaced, both Israel and the 'resident' Palestinians agreed to settlements. (Details are all over the place). When the Israelis gave into a compromise, (Arafat), they were given an area called the West Bank. The problem with the West Bank,(for those who have not traveled there), it is 'high ground', and strategically not good for Israel, because attacks were launched from there...along with missiles, so they were displaced from there, after several wars, and 'peace treaties',which were broken by the Palestinians(PLO)...oh, repeatedly broken by the Palestinians. (PLO, Hezbollah, Hamas..and factions thereof.) Israel did not launch attacks first, but had incursions in, to stop the raids, snipers, missiles, etc They never 'just invaded' as a 'land acquisition'...or to fuck with them, unless to stop them killing or trying to kill Israeli citizens. The history is well documented...'Google it' When the Palestinians got driven back, they pissed and moaned about all the 'atrocities'..that would never had happened, if they didn't attack first. It seems that every time Israel compromises, gives them a territory, they,(Palestinians), set up, and organize to attack...Supplied, by Iran, Syria, sometimes Jordan(not so much now), Egypt,(earlier on), Iraq(not as much as of present...among others. Ok, we're done with the easy one. Dates and wars and treaties can all be found online..but basically its the same shit over and over. Just remember back, how many times they've been at it. OK, See Ya'! GfS (That was the very abridged version) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: mousethief Date: 13 Aug 10 - 12:16 AM Is the West Bank part of Israel, or not? If it is, why aren't the Palestinians there Israeli citizens? If it isn't, by what right do they perform de facto annexations by making settlements? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 12 Aug 10 - 09:48 PM Jim: "The pills Gfs, the pills Jim Carroll" My God, My God!! GfS ...and I'm not even Jewish! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 12 Aug 10 - 06:26 PM The pills Gfs, the pills Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 12 Aug 10 - 05:46 PM Jim: "Nope - that was done a couple of nights ago with a rather magnificent display of triumphalism - ....." Triumphalism is not the same as convincing yourself of a delusion, and then getting yourself to actually believe it!...Like your sexuality. But, if you prefer, you can be your own legend in your own wine! Meanwhile, I know you have a problem with SELF PRESERVATION, and REPRODUCTION, and despise those, who don't share your particular intoxication with fantasy! Those who protect their families(remember those), and their communities, from random attacks of violence, are not particularly doing so, for 'barbaric' reasons. Those who attack, and disregard the consequences, of doing so, are the true culprits, even to the casualties, they bring on their own people, from those who merely are trying to get the missiles to stop. Now I'm sure NONE of this is relative to you...but to those who have families and loved ones, rather that sexual partners at whim, completely understand what I am saying...so I find it hard, for you to understand that concept...but then, we're not half dead! ...and you know just what I'm talking about!! You've been lying to yourself for quite a while about such things, and just because we don't buy it, it puts you in desperate urgency to dismiss the truth, or, you might have to address 'other' issues, you'd have to admit, and that terrifies you! ...and no, I'm not hostile towards you, but rather pity the mind that hypnotizes itself, into living out a delusion. You have 'won' nothing. We are leaving you, disgusted and almost in mourning....as seeing a pathetic human being, wallowing in his own vomit! No insult intended...just thought you'd like to know. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 12 Aug 10 - 05:03 PM Thank you Robomatic, I love Bagels. Just remember that Bobad was the one who seemed to find a fixation with Nazis unhealthy, and his 'unconditionally-pro-Israel-no-matter-what' pals all seem to agree that such a fixation is indeed unhealthy. So considering their clearly voiced concern it struck me that they may feel the same way about Israels collective annual fixation upon Nazi atrocities. Oh no ... I haven't found yet another example of hypocrisy from Bobad have I ... ... woops ... sorry :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: robomatic Date: 12 Aug 10 - 04:43 PM Go eat a bagel! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 12 Aug 10 - 04:31 PM "What's spooky to me is people who are fixated on Nazis. " Doesn't Israel celebrate Holocaust day on a yearly basis? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 12 Aug 10 - 04:28 PM Well done GfS and Bobad, more baseless rubbish. My record on here is to condemn all the violence. I post out of sympathy for civilians who are caught between Israeli Agression and Hamas Tyrranny. You both defend Israeli aggression and you both make derogatoty insinuations about Muslims. I can find examples of these facts in this and other threads. The fact that Bobad does thisis such a laconic apathetic way does not define him as devoid of hatred, it merely marks him out as being desensetized and lacking any sense of empathy or compassion. The UN, Amnesty International, Oxfam and the Red Cross/Crescent among countless other independant and well accredited objective observers all acknowledge the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the Israeli policy of collective punishment not to mention war crimes. But Bobad and his imaginary Muslim pals all have a laugh about the situation when the topic comes up. GfS on the other hand isn't so friendly with his imaginary pixie friends and spends a lot of time arguing with them about who is responsible for the buzzing noise that is making his/her brain hurt and driving him/her to the brink ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 12 Aug 10 - 03:33 PM "Those remaining, must be content to watch the jackels gather, to disembowel any remants. " Nope - that was done a couple of nights ago with a rather magnificent display of triumphalism - but it turned out that the blood you thought you could smell was ketchup Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Ed T Date: 12 Aug 10 - 03:23 PM Back from the beach to say, over and out. The logical have abandoned this thread to instant death some time ago, because it surpassed its "best before" date. Those remaining, must be content to watch the jackels gather, to disembowel any remants. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: bobad Date: 12 Aug 10 - 01:20 PM I second what Guest from Sanity said and with that, bid you farewell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 12 Aug 10 - 01:17 PM Jim and LOX, I think it extremely evident, to the posters on this thread, that your unwavering, irrational bias and hatred of the Israelis, has completely discredited both you, and your posts. You have disregarded historical fact, and tried to color them in a way that has reached into the land of absurdity. I'd take a rest from embarrassing yourselves any further, if you want credibility, in the future, on any other thread. For your own well-being, I'd re-examine yourselves, and your motives. This post, is not to cut you down, nor insult you...Happy soul searching, and best of luck. Wish you well. Guest from Sanity |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: robomatic Date: 12 Aug 10 - 12:11 PM Many of the Israel bashers take an attitude of 'equivalence' which is to say that if two sides employ weapons then they are no different. They then apply terms like 'defence' and 'occupation' as they like to argue a non-equivalence based on a political screed that's been outdated since the fall of Communism. There was a war for Independence on the part of those who became Israelis. They won. They re-settled their refugees. The so-called Palestinians lost, and either rejected accomodations, or had accomodations rejected for them. They have not been re-settled. Their situation is horrid, they have every reason to be unhappy, bitter, upset, you name it. But they have to come to terms and I do not think they have yet done that. Not too long ago I heard a man who claimed he was Palestinian on a local talk show in Boston and he wanted to charge the Israelis rent on the property he said was in his family in 1948. Israel has established the only working democracy in the entire religion. It is multi-ethnic and multi-creed beyond any of its neighbors or their neighbors. All the points on this thread can be debated in a cafe in Haifa. Try doing that in Cairo, Amman, Damascus, or Beirut. Going back to the recent occurence of the blockade violence, which someone bashing Israel in another thread has labeled an 'atrocity'. The Israeli response was measured. They had to back up their blockade or it wouldn't be a blockade. There was violence on one ship of the Turkish fleet, and it was associated with Turkish extremists. Even then the violence was limited on the part of the Israelis. A similar 'atrocity' was committed by the U.S. Navy when they took out Somali pirates in a measured targeted response to free a captive. I submit there is an equivalence far better than the rather smug approach of saying that just because one uses weapons one side is no different than another. As far as the Palestinian need for defense goes, the mere fact that there is a large Palestinian presence on Gaza over a period of 62 years essentially an available target for carnage each and every day of it would argue that violence of the sort of sending missiles into civilian areas of Israel does not constitute a well thought-out 'defense'. The ability to regulate their own police and militias might be a first step. Witness to that would be the somewhat better conditions of the West Bank. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Ed T Date: 12 Aug 10 - 09:53 AM Anyway, Bobad, I am off to the beach. Too nice a day not to ride the old ragtop. I'll catch up in the discussion, which could be as hot as the beach, later. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Ed T Date: 12 Aug 10 - 09:49 AM Personal message for Bobads eyes only. This message is intended for the eyes only of Bobad. If you receive it in error, please do not read, disregard and erase immediately. Bobad, "a couple of pro-Zionist fanatics" Could this be an early sign of the fixation that we spoke earlier? Some signs are there. A rash theory, inability to accept counter-evidence by attempts at scapegoating and smear of those raising them? Yes, I know, It is unfair, too early and un-neighbourly to brand it as such at this early point. But, may be good to keep an eye on it. Heck, it could merely be signs of cootish, ill-natured and querulous bad manners. Or.... maybe not? Anyway, the last time I checked the only force that "name calling" words have come are from the air pressure that leaves an offensive mouth....or, possibly keyboard thumping, in this case. Please dont mention the above speculation, and it is just that, to anyone else...I do not want to be at the other end of an irascible response. "If your spitting mist to diss, clean out your keyboard soon after you diss". Quote source unknown |
