BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 02:43 PM

So, Greggie,

You find the video, claim to watch it, then say it is a blog and not true-

You are lying to all of us, without even trying to make up a story.




I answered your questions - YOU should answer for your lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 02:32 PM

Easy, BullshitBruce, easy. You'll hurt yourself. You off your meds again?

Nice load of additional horseshit, but you STILL haven't answered the several questions.

As expected. Just more name-calling and more bushels of horseshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:21 PM

Greggie scunsucker,

"A Local 2 camera covering the protest recorded the entire incident. On the video you could see Georgia sitting in the front seat of an SUV, she had her window down and you can see a man reach in and grab her. Georgia said she was hit.

"When we got on the road I told her, 'Let's call 911," and I could feel I had been hit," she said.
"

YOU claim to see the video- Therefore you KNOW this is not a blog.

You are intentionally lyng here. I guess you just have to take after Bobert.

But I doubt if we will call your lies "Greggie Facts"


You need to at least pretend that you believe your own lies for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:10 PM

White male kills young black male and is convicted of murder- Greggie says it doesn't matter.

After all, he was just a 13 year old black boy. No reason for Greggie to give a damn.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:08 PM

Greggie, scumsucker,

I verified by going to the media outlet that presented the original story, I have posted it.

You have made claims, but supported none of them. If YOU can't bother to show me to be wrong, I must be right. Until you provide some evidence otherwise

You made claims this is a blog, and false:

So you're incapable of verifying your horseshit yourself before posting it? Or just too lazy? Or you don't know how to use a search engine? Or you know that if its posted on the internet it must be true?

Which is it?

And have you any proof that the woman's story is NOT true?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:08 PM

so I guess you all will argue and say he should have gotten off.

Uh, no BullshitBruce, I doubt anybody will.

At any rate, bringing up this irrelevant Wisconsin case is even more demented and idiotic than your usual horseshit.

Congratulations! You've outdone yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:04 PM

THEN SHOW ME A REFERENCE TO MORE

So you're incapable of verifying your horseshit yourself before posting it? Or just too lazy? Or you don't know how to use a search engine? Or you know that if its posted on the internet it must be true?

Which is it?

And have you any proof that the woman's story is true?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:01 PM

Saul, I commented on that in the other thread.


How about:

http://news.yahoo.com/wis-man-76-guilty-fatal-shooting-teen-185219975.html

http://news.yahoo.com/wis-man-76-guilty-fatal-shooting-teen-185219975.html

Evidence tells me he is guilty- so I guess you all will argue and say he should have gotten off.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:56 PM

Greggie,

"its only a PARTIAL story posted on a Blog. "

1. Not a blog, a news report.


"A ten second web search would supply you with the complete story,"

2. THEN SHOW ME A REFERENCE TO MORE- you lying racist scum.

I not YOU cannot be bothered to back up your own claim, but have to lie about my post

http://www.click2houston.com is a media station Channal 2 in Housto, where the demonstration occurred.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:54 PM

Interesting interpretation, Beardy. Demented and fanciful, but interesting none the less.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:51 PM

I think by now that even Helen Keller can see from her grave that the judge badly bungled the trial... The prosecution didn't do much better...

Bottom line here was the fix was in from the jump... Throw in the terrible Florida self-defense and stand-your-ground laws then it comes down to this: murder anyone you want... Just don't have any witnesses and you'll get away with it, right???

Whoa, not so fast...

Wait until the exact same kind of case comes up where a black man shoots a white man...

Hmmmmmmm???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:50 PM

Based on the trial, an the evidence presented, I have made a conclusion- Others here are making their conclusions based on what they think could have happened, without regard to the presented evidence.

Was the evidence false? The prosecution did not make an effort to prove that.

Was there racial profiling- Not according to the presented transcripts of 911 call, interviews, or testimony.

The presumption of innocence is a part of our system of justice- there was nothing presented that would lead a reasonable person to think that Zimmerman was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

SHOULD he have been convicted of manslaughter? I suspect the prosecution COULD have made a good case for that, but the POLITICAL decision was made to go for 2nd degree murder. THAT is why Zimmerman got off without punishment.

And wWHY did they go for murder when manslaughter would have given as long or longer a sentence? BECAUSE the racists and "liberals" were demanding it- so it becomes their fault Zimmerman walks.

If it had been done according to the law, with full disclosure, and a Grand Jury, the charge would have been manslaughter at worst, and the jury may well have decided for that, if the prosecution had presented the evidence for it.

But in the attempt to meet the "court of public opinion" the state threw that away.

And every young black male being arrested and charged in these "demonstrations " is bearing the price of the "liberal" media and the racists that demanded a murder charge.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:47 PM

Just for argument's sake...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/


Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:45 PM

Yup- I read it and its only a PARTIAL story posted on a Blog. A ten second web search would supply you with the complete story, but apparently you've no interest in being factual or accurate. Or just can't spare the time.

An again: do you have any proof that the woman's story is true?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:41 PM

""The standards referred to were those of the FBI- take it up with them""

The FBI didn't rule them out!

THE JUDGE DID!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:38 PM

What I cut& pasted into the link maker:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/local-familys-emergency-trip-to-hospital-interrupted-by-protestors/-/1735978/21009282/-/xa44gh/-/index.html

What comes out when I create link:


http://www.click2houston.com/news/local-familys-emergency-trip-to-hospital-interrupted-by-protestors/-/1735978/21009282/-/xa44gh


Even a scumsucking racist like Greggie can see there is a truncation- Trust a "liberal" to not bother to try it himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:38 PM

""++I++ brought up early in this thread that had Martin been a white skinhead and Zimmerman a black preacher I would not change my opinion about it, and decide based on the evidence presented. I was chastised for this- it seems that the racists such as Bobert , Greggie, and their friends WANT to base judgement on race, and not facts.""

If you ever bothered to read and understand the whole of what others post, which you obviously do not, you would have noticed that way back in this thread I supported your call for a fair trial and several times strongly suggested that the judge is the only one who should be allowed to rule on admissibility.

Bobert claimed that the judge had already failed to act competently and I disagreed with him.

At the time I believed that you honestly and impartially desired a fair trial.

As the debate progressed I began to see your attitude change from wanting a fair trial to wanting acquittal, and nothing you have said since has altered that impression.

I have posted a raft of evidence other than Martin's phone, which has been cynically witheld from the jury, and all of a sudden your attitude to fair disclosure reverses.

The fact that the judge biases the proceedings doesn't bother you in the least, since it is in Zimmerman's favour that this evidence be excluded.

Your integrity is in tatters, as you ignore all evidence of Zimmerman's violent nature, and come to the conclusion that this outcome can be called "Justice".

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:32 PM

And, no, Greggie, I have not watched the video- I read the transcript that I posted the link to.

Did you?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:31 PM

"If he'd left it to the police, Martin might have got off with just a severe beating for walking through a gated community where he had every right to be.
"

If he had left it to the police, Martin could have chosen NOT to attack the policemen and nothing would have happened.

If Martin had chosen not to throw the first punch, there might not have been a shooting at all.

If you were a decent person, you might not accuse people who disagree with you of being Klan members.


But IF didn't happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:26 PM

The standards referred to were those of the FBI- take it up with them

"Or might lie! With a factor of eight to one in Zimmerman's favour."

How do you get those numbers? How many testified? Than you cannot count- there were BOTH of Martin's parents, both of Zimmerman's and you claim 14 of his close friends ( the number you need to get 8:1) I saw only three- making it 5:2.

Why do you need to lie even when the numbers favor you? Is your point so weak it will not stand without an exaggeration?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:20 PM

""As fro the lack of prosecution earlier, ever consider that those who had access to the evidence did not see that there was a case they could convince a jury of? You know, like what occurred? Is reality so far away from where you are?""

Good point! The question is why? There was no doubt he shot a teenager dead after ignoring advice to let the police deal with it.

Are you seriously claiming that didn't merit arrest and interrogation plus bail to return when necessary?

Standard procedure in the civilised UK!

If he'd left it to the police, Martin might have got off with just a severe beating for walking through a gated community where he had every right to be.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:13 PM

""You obviously watched a different trail than I did- There was testimony that the time on the tape ( according to the FBI Standards) did not allow a professional determination of the caller for help, but that a family member or close acquaintance MIGHT be able to tell.""

The same trial I'm afraid, and another example of judicial bias.

The one expert who wasn't able to tell, was allowed to testify.

The two who gave the opinion that it was Trayvon Martin's voice, were mysteriously inadmissible.

You can wriggle all you like, but you just look more foolish.

Each time you post you make it more obvious that the only outcome you would ever accept as fair, whatever the evidence that was wrongly excluded, is acquittal.

""a family member or close acquaintance MIGHT be able to tell.""

Or might lie! With a factor of eight to one in Zimmerman's favour.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:13 PM

No, Beardy, the "blue clicky" isn't doing anything. Its inanimate. YOU are not using it correctly. Always someone or someone else to blame for you, isn't there?

And once again: Have you got any evidence that the woman's story of "being hit" is true?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:09 PM

So did you watch the video or not, Bullshit Bruce?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 11:57 AM

Note the blue clicky is cutting off the end of the link.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 11:54 AM

http://www.click2houston.com/news/local-familys-emergency-trip-to-hospital-interrupted-by-protestors/-/1735978/21009282/-/xa44gh/-/index.html


http://www.click2houston.com/news/local-familys-emergency-trip-to-hospital-interrupted-by-protestors/-/1735978/21009282/-/xa44gh


Not a blog, but a news report.

And stop abusing those rats- they are certainly a lot more agreeable than you are. Go back to the dead hamsters.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 11:54 AM

MY post does not mention race of anyone,

Did you not watch the video, or are you just pretending you didn't watch it, BullshitBruce?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 11:48 AM

Thanks for the source of the blogoshit, Beardy, and to my surprise, it appears to be a bklog.

But I can't be sure, since your link brings up "Page Not Found - also as usual. Sure you didn't make this up?

Got any documentation that the woman's story is even true?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 11:44 AM

"Stop putting words in my mouth you devious ratbag."


Again, the Master Race Nazis want to apply rules to others that they refuse to post by themselves. As long as YOU keep telling others what I think, and why I think it, I will do the same for you.

You obviously watched a different trail than I did- There was testimony that the time on the tape ( according to the FBI Standards) did not allow a professional determination of the caller for help, but that a family member or close acquaintance MIGHT be able to tell. The prosecution called the family of Martin to testify about the voices, and the defense called Zimmerman's parents and close friends. The jury decided who to believe.


As fro the lack of prosecution earlier, ever consider that those who had access to the evidence did not see that there was a case they could convince a jury of? You know, like what occurred? Is reality so far away from where you are?


++I++ brought up early in this thread that had Martin been a white skinhead and Zimmerman a black preacher I would not change my opinion about it, and decide based on the evidence presented. I was chastised for this- it seems that the racists such as Bobert , Greggie, and their friends WANT to base judgement on race, and not facts.

I have been proven right by this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 11:43 AM

Easy on the rats, Don. Rats are quite charming little critters most of the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 11:31 AM

Local family's emergency trip to hospital interrupted by protestors

HOUSTON -
Hundreds of people marched in protest to the George Zimmerman verdict on Monday.

"No justice, no peace," they yelled as they walked from the Byrd Funeral Home in the 2500 block of Wheeler to the Southmore Street overpass bridge near Highway 288.

Just after 7p.m. Monday, the demonstrators spilled out onto the road and blocked traffic for about 15 minutes.

"I looked up and I see all the protesters, they're everywhere," said Georgia, who asked that her last name not be used. "So, we got into the traffic and they're stopping us and not letting us go."

Georgia was on her way to Texas Children's Hospital in the Medical Center because her 7-year-old granddaughter was having an allergic reaction to some medication.

Georgia's daughter was driving and tried to go around the demonstrators by driving on the grassy shoulder.

"One of them was hitting the windshield and I was just screaming, 'We've got to get to the hospital,' and they were screaming and chanting," she said. "All I could think of was, I got to get my granddaughter to the hospital."

"My mom rolled down the window," said Georgia's daughter. "She said, 'We're trying to get my granddaughter to the hospital,' and a guy just started hitting her."

A Local 2 camera covering the protest recorded the entire incident. On the video you could see Georgia sitting in the front seat of an SUV, she had her window down and you can see a man reach in and grab her. Georgia said she was hit.

"When we got on the road I told her, 'Let's call 911," and I could feel I had been hit," she said.

The family is upset by the whole incident and thinks the demonstrators took things too far. Georgia filed a police report and hopes that things will quiet down.

"It wasn't peaceful," she said. "It was terrifying."

Quanell X, the community activist who planned the event, told Local 2 he thought the protest was peaceful.

He also said he gave specific instructions to participants not to break any laws and not to touch or harm anyone.

The Houston Police Department did have a few officers on scene and told Local 2 it's unclear how the demonstrators were able to get onto the freeway, but the officers were working to remove them.


http://www.click2houston.com/news/local-familys-emergency-trip-to-hospital-interrupted-by-protestors/-/1735978/21009282/-/xa44gh

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 11:27 AM

""++I++ stated I wanted to see a fair trial with the law being respected, and you scumsucking racists claimed the only fair trail had to end in a conviction, regardless of the facts.""

Stop putting words in my mouth you devious ratbag.

I didn't want a conviction right or wrong,

I wanted a properly conducted trial where due diligence was paid to the fact that a dead child cannot speak for himself.

Nobody even attempted to give fair and honest balance to the proceedings.

Not the judge who ruled all character evidence on Zimmerman inadmissible except statements from his cronies, and all evidence such as Trayvon Martin's school playground tussles and his use of Pot, admissible.

Not the same judge who allowed eight of Zimmerman's cronies to testify that it was his voice calling help, and ruled the contrary evidence from two qualified voice recognition experts (surprise surprise) inadmissible.

Not the prosecution, which made the biggest balls up of their responsibilities that I've ever seen in a major trial.

Whether they were simply incompetent, or whether (as I honestly believe) they took a dive, they failed Trayvon Martin on every level.

Not the police or the law enforcement authorities, who would have preferred the whole case to just go away, and in fact acquitted Zimmerman on the night of the murder.

Specifically not Serino, who didn't want to prosecute at all, and when forced by public opinion to act, with the utmost reluctance, recommended a charge of manslaughter, then, when that didn't work deliberately sabotaged the prosecution.

Back to the judge, who repeatedly allowed Serino to express opinions about the honesty of Zimmerman's story. He may be an experienced cop, but he isn't a two legged lie detector and his conclusions should have been stricken. THEY WEREN'T in time to do any good.

The defence team were the only ones present in that court who did their jobs properly, although everybody else made it very easy for them.

I sincerely believe that if this trial had not been riddled with corruption, Zimmerman would be stsrting a well deserved life sentence.

I haven't the slightest doubt that a murderer has been deliberately freed.

I can see no other reason for this travesty than the fact that Trayvon Martin was black.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 10:49 AM

Greggie boy,

You are showing your racism again. MY post does not mention race of anyone, not the protestors or the attacked person.

YOU are the one making it about race, you lying scumbag.

But them, as Bobert well knows, you have stated that "black, and a Democrat" is the same to you as "dumb ni**er"

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 10:45 AM

Bobert: "Your verses don't seem to have any relevance here.."

Hey, this whole thread is permeated with bigotry, hatred, violence, shooting assault and battery, injustice, unforgiveness, miscarriages of justice and divisions, not to mention a few other things that has NO political solution, nor any amount of legislation, can fix!! ..and YOU brought up a quote Jesus said. So you start on a premise and can't follow through on it????
Either get your shit together, or find another avenue to resolve what you're bitching about.

Now take a look at my first scriptural response to you, and tell me, that it doesn't apply...and I'll think you need glasses!!

"Now the end of the commandment is Love out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of genuine faith,
From which some having swerved, have turned aside unto vain babbling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm."

Now, THAT IS a solution. More screaming, bitching, whining for the sake of being divided is NOT... let me see.. 'divided'.. 'segregation' .. hmmm, any similarities there?

Yeah, certain Southerners never learn a fucking thing! ..no matter how they ignore applying it!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 10:45 AM

"What better way for the prosecution to throw the game and give YOU the result you were ooting for all along."

Wrong, you cocksucking racist scumbag.

++I++ stated I wanted to see a fair trial with the law being respected, and you scumsucking racists claimed the only fair trail had to end in a conviction, regardless of the facts.

"The fair trial you have bleated about all over this thread with massive irrelevant cut and pastes, was never going to happen."

Of course not. A fair trial would have the risk of showing the weakness of the case against Zimmerman. But even the attempt to force a "correct" verdict failed due to lack of evidence.



"It was done and dusted a year ago, and your continued support for Zimmerman in the face of irrefutable proof of the kind of scumbag he is, doesn't incline me toward recanting my Klan comment."

The irrefutable proof that I have seen is of the scumbag racists like you, Greggie, and Bobert, who pass judgement baed on the color of the victim's and accused skin.


I have as much proof of you being a Nazi as you have of any Klan association by me. - So if I am Klan, you are definitely a Nazi.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 10:33 AM

""So you agree with my OP that the Prosecution in this case needed to follow the law, and did not? That makes this trail unfair, based on the race of the individuals involved.""

Not in any way Bruce.

What better way for the prosecution to throw the game and give YOU the result you were ooting for all along.

The prosecution in this case didn't exist. There was only defence and stealth defence. The authorities acquitted Zimmerman on the night of the murder.

How else explain the imbalance beteen what was permitted, or not permitted to come to the attention of the jury, not to mention what was leaked to the media by the defence with the assistance of that cleverly constructed and oh so convenient staged witholding and whistle blowing farce.

The fair trial you have bleated about all over this thread with massive irrelevant cut and pastes, was never going to happen.

It was done and dusted a year ago, and your continued support for Zimmerman in the face of irrefutable proof of the kind of scumbag he is, doesn't incline me toward recanting my Klan comment.

Lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 10:03 AM

And the point of this latest bucket of un-sourced blogoshit is what, Beardy?

To demonstrate your undying love of the Negro race?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 09:43 AM

Hundreds of demonstrators took to the streets in Houston on Monday to protest against the acquittal of George Zimmerman, but what started as a peaceful rally turned terrifying for one woman who claims she was assaulted while trying to get her daughter to the hospital.
"I looked up and I see all the protesters, they're everywhere," said Georgia, who asked Click 2 Houston that her last name not be used. "So, we got into the traffic and they're stopping us and not letting us go."

Police told the station that protesters spilled into the road, blocking traffic for about 15 minutes during rush hour. Georgia was trying to get her younger daughter to Texas Children's Hospital, because she was having an emergency allergic reaction to some medication.

"My mom rolled down the window," said Georgia's older daughter. "She said, 'We're trying to get my granddaughter to the hospital,' and a guy just started hitting her."
A Click 2 Houston video shows Georgia sitting in the front seat of the vehicle with her window down, and you can see a man reach in and grab her chest. Georgia said she was hit.

"When we got on the road I told her, 'Let's call 911," and I could feel I had been hit," she said, adding that she has filed a police report documenting the indicent.
Quanell X, an activist who planned the event, told Click 2 Houston that he thought the protest was peaceful.
"It wasn't peaceful," Georgia added. "It was terrifying."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 09:31 AM

Don T,

"As to my being a Nazi, that is simply risible! I don't give two fucks about race and have genuine friends from Asia, Africa, and Australia. I even have French friends."


But you call me a Klan member without thought or evidence. YOU are being a real asshole.




"What I do object to is seeing people of different races being denied justice by not being properly and competently represented by those whose job it is to act without fear or favour treating all citizens equally. "

So you agree with my OP that the Prosecution in this case needed to follow the law, and did not? That makes this trail unfair, based on the race of the individuals involved.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 09:13 AM

GfinS,

Your verses don't seem to have any relevance here but it's a good thing that you are fishing around the Bible... Keep fishing and maybe you'll figure out that God and Jesus ain't too happy with the Florida system of injustice...

BTW, folks who try too hard to use Biblical verses to justify bad behavior are called fundamentalists and these are the same people who use the Bible as justifications to kill abortion doctors and tear down social safety nets... In other words??? The Christian Taliban...

But keep hunting... Maybe something good will get to you...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 06:09 AM

""The info about Angela Correy was enlightening. I think she had a lot to do with messing up this trial. She should be fired. Off with her head!""

It's my belief that she got the job BECAUSE she could be relied upon to turn it into a clusterfuck, and she responded according to plan.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 06:06 AM

""Good finds Don - more evidence of trial bias.""

Irrefutable evidence Richard.

As I have said all along, the whole farce was about hiding Zimmerman's real character and portraying his black teenage victim as a drug using thug.

If the jury had been aware of the patterns of behaviour shown in that record, there would have been NO reasonable doubt that he profiled, stalked and murdered a complete stranger.

As to racial profiling, which again was brushed aside at trial, he was well aware that the man he was stalking was black, because he described him as such when asked for a description during his phone call to police.

His family background doesn't invite belief in his claims on that subject.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:57 AM

""They have their reward. 6But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your Father which sees in secret shall reward you openly""

I must remember that one for the religion threads, where they rubbish people who don't need religionsNice to know that at least one of their revered gospel makers agrees with me.

Thanks Goofus!

But it still has sod all to do with this thread.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Red Queen
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:16 AM

GfS, you had a sticker that read "Fighting for peace, is like fucking for virginity!" ? What are you, some kind of hippie? Are you going to make us listen to Biff? :-)

Look, some of us want George Zimmerman to be held accountable for what he did, do you really equate that with wanting blood?

The info about Angela Correy was enlightening. I think she had a lot to do with messing up this trial. She should be fired. Off with her head!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 04:16 AM

Good finds Don - more evidence of trial bias.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 11:12 PM

Bobert: "Matthew also wrote "There is nothing hidden that one day won't be found, no secrets kept that one day won't be common knowledge"..."

Speaking of which, He expounds on secrets..like you are, let's see what it says....


"But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
And when you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Truly I say to you, They have their reward. 6But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your Father which sees in secret shall reward you openly. But when you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."

You wouldn't mean THAT, would you??

Once the bell is rung, you can't take away the ring!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 10:39 PM

GfinS,

Matthew also wrote "There is nothing hidden that one day won't be found, no secrets kept that one day won't be common knowledge"...

That's what I'm talking about here... George Zimmerman's story, like O.J.'s, won't age well...

As for people changing for the better??? Nah... Seems that here in the South we are going the wrong way and losing ground... Schools are being re-segregated at an alarming rate... That's not progress... That's regress...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 08:51 PM

Racism still exists but it ain't the 60's anymore. People have changed for the better.

Dan, give this a read when you get the chance & let me know what you think:

Michelle Alexander - The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 08:35 PM

One guy on CNN said the south has more minority mayors, senators, and congressmen and other elected officials than any other area of the country.

Yup- some of their best Negroes are their friends. See Phil Ochs:



Phil Ochs - Talking Birmingham Jam

Walkin' down to Birmingham
Way down south in Dixie Land
I thought that I would stop awhile
Take a vacation southern style
Got some southern hospitality
Down there in a southern hospital

Oh, all the signs said welcome in
Signed by Governor Wallace and Rin-Tin-Tin
They said come along and watch the fights
While we feed our dogs on civil rights
Now, don't get us wrong
Some of our best Negroes are our friends

Well I've seen travelin' many ways
I've traveled in cars and old subways
But in Birmingham some people chose
To fly down the street from a fire hose
Doin' some hard travelin'
From hydrants of plenty

Well, a pack of dogs was standin' by
I walked up to them and I said, "Hi"
I asked one dog what they all were doin'
He walked up to me and started chewin'
I said, "Hold it, I'm from the A.S.P.C.A.
Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Agitators"

I said, "There must be some men around
There can't be only you dogs in town"
They said, sure, we have old Bull Conner
There he goes walkin' yonder
Throwin' some raw meat to the Mayor
Feedin' bones to the city council

You know Governor Wallace doesn't mean no harm
Can't you see he's got a lot of charm?
He's protectin' us whites, both the rich and poor
Standin' in the schoolhouse door
Crackin' jokes, talkin' to Huntley Brinkley
Servin' jury duty, gettin' re-elected

So, I asked them why they spent their time
With segregation on their mind
They said, "If you don't like to live this way
Get out of here, go back to the U.S.A
Live with all them Russians and New York folksingers"

Some say they're past their darkest hour
Those moderates are back in power
Oh, they listen close with open ears
They'll help us out in a couple of hundred years
But don't push 'em whatever you do
Or else you'll get those extremists back in

You see, Alabama is a sovereign state
With sovereign dogs and sovereign hate
They stand for the Bible and Constitution
They stand against communist revolution
They say "It's Pinkoes like you that freed the slaves"

And they're right.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 07:24 PM

""7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm."""

No need to be so hard on yourself Goofus.

But aren't you in the wrong thread.

The religious ones went thataway   --------------->

Don T.