BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 05:53 PM

Well spotted, Dave! I was just about to say that it took me about two minutes...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 05:50 PM

pete, for the umpteemillionth time, there will ALWAYS be conflicting interpretations of the data because REAL scientists don't deal in absolute certainties. Within the various relevant fields of study there are large areas of consensus though.

On the other hand, religious fusndamentalists - like you and your American chums - know the answers already. You only need to do "research" because the findings of modern science conflict utterly with the Biblical account of 'creation'- and you are desperate to refute those findings.

Of course people in the past believed the biblical account - because they knew no better - trouble is, you and your American fundamentalist chums are still stuck back there in the middle ages!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 05:05 PM

Speak of the devil...

Forcing a whole section of society to undergo invasive medical procedures on the basis of their sexual proclivity is also wrong, Ake, but you cannot seem to see that. Nor can you see that bringing up the same point at every opportunity, regardless of the thread content, shows that you are somewhat fixated on gay men.

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 04:48 PM

"Socialist {noun} Person who believes in demonstrable equality."
Yes, among other things.

Sitting back and watching a sector of society succumb to the effects of an epidemic of sexual disease is not "equality" Ian, it is as cold and unfeeling as rabid Capitalism.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 04:10 PM

I'll bet you were up all night thinking up that one..

Well, from

Date: 22 Oct 13 - 02:58 PM

to

Date: 22 Oct 13 - 03:08 PM at least!

I can see that your double first must have been in Mathematics and Logic, Conc my old pal. Or did you also include English?

Pete, as you seem to be having difficulty with Stu's questions I will ask them again.

Do you believe everything in the bible is literally the word of god?

If so, do you take all that is written in there literally, on face value and without question?

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 03:53 PM

no shimrod, you can not experiment on the past. you can only interpret the data. there are numerous examples of changing analysis of such data by evolutionists. that's a good thing ,you will say, but it also demonstrates that origins research is far from certain, unlike proper science where repeatable, testable ,observation can give accurate conclusions.
and you are not listening- Christians have been creationists before the US was ever thought about.
again, it is not a political statement.
and you are very confident that stu can answer what you cant?!.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the artist formally known as concerened
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 03:44 PM

Is that a centrist remark phony...? I'll bet you were up all night thinking up that one..

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 03:08 PM

I would never sit on a ginger pussy, but vice versa...mmm...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the artist formally known as concerened
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 02:58 PM

Which ever way you cut the cake, bum, inhabitant, fence, pussy on which the fraud shaw sits......does not alter the fact that he has little to accuse anyone of being pompous, thick, numbskull, and his usual delightful patronising and offensive epithets.

But there again, like all of his fence sitting, centrist ilk he thinks by adopting his usual bullying tone he can cover up his obvious shortcomings...alkenton is wrong about him being lonely; it is a sad fact that there are thousand of class traitors like him around in this country.. I just wish they would get of their smug arses and either do something positive, or shut up and join a sewing bee or a bean counting club...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 01:28 PM

Just covering the offending fences for the sake of decency, Dave!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 09:41 AM

I think that expression makes it even worse, Shimrod :-) If that was intended, well done and if not, very well done!

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 09:32 AM

Yes, Dave, let's draw a veil over "ginger pussy fences"!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 07:42 AM

Is a 'Tory?partr tory' anything like a bum inhabitant ginger cake? I am also quite intrigued by the concept of a ginger pussy fence but would prefer not to know more really...

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,the artist formally known as concerened
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 06:46 AM

So shaw, you are part of milliblands ginger pussy fence sitting party are you? mind I should have known that.

Dont even dare tell me you are a Tory?partr tory; at least they know where they are going!!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 05:39 AM

Aye, spotted that, Messiah M. Seems to be a bit of a pattern developing on here. People start controversial threads and then complain like buggery when someone disagrees with them. Can't remember what it is called, apart from being an arsehole. Something like passive/aggressive or bullying by playing victim? I am sure some of the barrack room psychologists will let us know :-)

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 05:10 AM

Mind you brother Gnome. This type of thread is based on getting the name calling in early. As a topic thread in fact. ..

Militant atheist. I ask you. .......

Any nails left?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 04:59 AM

I am finding it increasingly apparent, not just on here but on all social media, that if someone finds themselves in an argument that they cannot then get out of sensibly they begin to scream 'bully!'. We have already been accused of being mentally unstable. Now 'schoolyard bullies'. Who is going to make the full set and cast the first accusation of Naziism? I wish they would do it quickly so Mr Godwin can come along and close the discussion.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Stu
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 04:37 AM

I wrote a lengthy reply to Pete's comments about wanting to live in China or North Korea, but it seems to have been lost in the ether.

Can you answer a couple of simple questions Pete?

Do you believe everything in the bible is literally the word of god?

If so, do you take all that is written in there literally, on face value and without question?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket musing (the tablets don't work)
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 03:14 AM

I cant see what the problem is. Christians want to feel persecuted don't they? Mind you, I was never any good at the school yard bully bit. In fact, although I was always a tall lad, I was soft as shite, until once when I had to defend myself. Then ended up with a bobby coming round to the house to "have a word" with my Mum.

Anyway, my Brian resembling slime inducing slug me lad... If victims stop posting, don't we reserve the right to find new victims? After all, how can you be a school yard bully without the fat kid with a satchel full of sweeties at your beck and call?







Oh, just noticed the bit about respecting the social values of conservatism. Wow....

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 06:42 PM

What happened in the few days between these two comments?

It's slime mould season, that's what. Two luvly patches on my front lawn already. He'll be out there cleaning up, far too busy to post.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 03:02 PM

BTW -

Snail, 15 Oct 13 - 04:38 PM Dave, until a few hours ago I had been completely ignoring you on Mudcat, a policy that has served me well for a long time. It's good to be reminded why.

Snail 19 Oct 13 - 08:14 AM It's mildly amusing to see the Two Messiahs and their Henchgnome ganging up on a new victim like the schoolyard bullies they are.

What happened in the few days between these two comments?

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket gettin.. can't be arsed
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 01:55 PM

Socialist {noun} Person who believes in demonstrable equality.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 01:09 PM

It does not take deep or even shallow personal insights into others' psyches to see that your messages are strongly emotional in a way that cannot be explained with the course of the discussion. I cannot say what is actually wrong with any one you, and it is none of my business.

Excuse me a minute.

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I can tell you exactly what is wrong with me, Tavarich. I don't like unqualified idiots trying to psycho-analyse me. How do I know you are unqualified? Well, anyone with any real credentials would stay away from here for a start. And not try spot diagnosis.

Did you ever see an old carry on film? 2 junior doctors trying a bit of spot diagnosis with a man walking, very carefully, across the emergency department floor.

First doctor: I think he has a slipped disk.
Second doctor: I think he has haemorrhoids.
Patient: You thought I had a slipped disk. You were wrong. You thought I had haemorrhoids. You were wrong. I thought I was going to break wind. I was wrong.

Try your psychobabble on someone else. It stinks just as bad as the above patient.


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Snail. Forget the above. I will break the habit of a lifetime and try a bit of spot diagnosis on you. You must be really insecure if you want to score points at the cost of making you look a fool. Sorry to say that you have succeeded on all fronts. You win. Carry on.

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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 12:29 PM

I think you'll find, pete, that Stu has given you some very detailed answers to your questions over the last couple of weeks. But, in a nutshell, you can do 'experiments' on the past by examining old material.

As for your question about rednecks etc. you know, as well as I do, that most of the claptrap about 'creationism' originates in N. America. Basically, certain N. American Christian fundamentalists, who would like to impose their religious fanaticism on their fellow Americans, and the rest of the world if possible, have decided that modern science represents a threat to their ambitions. Any sane person, exposed to the rigour and rationality of modern science, is going to soon realise that a literal interpretation of the Bible is complete balderdash. The fundamentalists know this and hence see science as a threat to their ambitions and even their local power bases. They have thus created the oxymoronic 'discipline' of "creationist science" in a farcical - and basically highly irrational - attempt to hold back the tide!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 10:55 AM

yes, shimrod , I know we been over this many times before, but you keep asking, and not accepting my answer. and not producing answers to my questions
why not just admit that you wont believe, or give any credence to the concept even, but that you aint got no better answer ?.
and what has rednecks and political teaparties got to do with an English Christian ?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 10:01 AM

Don't you just get a wee bit lonely sometimes Don?
Sitting on your "left flank" I mean.

Attaching a label is pointless, I think we all know pretty well how we stand politically and socially

There can be much common ground socially; as a political socialist I respect the social values of conservatism......but politically we are chalk and cheese.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 06:22 AM

""By the way..nobody has explained what a left wing tory..truth is you cant.. ""

I can't make up my mind whether you are just taking the piss, or are really the know nothing numbskull you appear to be from your stupid questions, so I'll treat you as the latter and use no long words.

No political party is a homogenised mass, and the Tory party is no exception.

I am a Tory on the left flank of the party, trying from the inside to mitigate the effect of the right wingers, so I suppose in the whole political spectrum, I would be described as a Centrist.

Within the party I would be called a left wing moderate.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,musket to Goofus
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 05:12 AM

My dear Goofus..

You must have been proud of your post. Proud enough to insert it in this thread in fact.

I know I am going to regret asking this, but in words a thick sod like me can understand, what is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 04:38 AM

Very welcome indeed, Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 06:49 PM

Those who are not sure what to reply, are best advised simply to read carefully what I wrote, and ask what they do not understand.

You appear to be getting worse by the minute. The best advice is to read carefully what you write (but hurry up, as life is too short) and ignore it.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 05:06 PM

We've been over all of that, pete, and you know it. And all you've got to go on is your own intuition and some poetic metaphors in an old book.

Oh yes and the crazed ramblings of the Rev. Dr. Teaparty Fundamentalist - your very own right wing, redneck brainwasher!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 04:12 PM

so you believe in the scientific method do you, shimrod?.
observervable-repeatable-testable!?
so how do you apply that to the past?
evolutionism posits events and processes that do not meet that criteria.
what does meet that criteria is stuff like biogenesis, and everything that has a beginning having a sufficient cause.
that does not ,admittedly prove that cause is God, but it is certainly not inconsistent with that concept as presented in the bible.
your alternative just goes back to all out of nothing via no-one.

I don't know much about your political hang ups but you is way off track. this belief that God created round about 6000 yr ago has been the faith of the church and the plain reading of scripture as understood by Christians till the acceptance of Darwinism infiltrated some parts of the church in relatively recent history.
it is not a political position.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 03:00 PM

Concerned: "By the way..nobody has explained what a left wing tory..truth is you cant.."

Neither can they, and still have anything to do with 'Truth'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,The artist formally known as concerened
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 01:19 PM

This thread is going from bad to worse.Not content with burbling some of the most half arsed bullshit I have ever read..shaw is now accusing someone else of being pompouse!!..
As well as these double standards he is now actually bawling and squawking about thread policemen...when he is one of tge worst offenders
Well I suppose we cant expect anything else from a tory..leftwing or no?
By the way..nobody has explained what a left wing tory..truth is you cant..

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 01:10 PM

From 'the other' thread about 'religion'......(it bears repeating)

Well, that's the problem with a LOT of people, who can't seem to get it straight....
'Religion' is man's way of reaching God....
So frantic is that attempt, that those same people seem to disregard God's way of reaching man!!..so they become blinded by man's 'attempts', and resent God, thinking that God has something to do with 'religion'!!!

Now, if God was trying to reach man...what would He want to 'fix'??
What would He want to convey??

How about overcoming death, with the message that, Love is the power that does that?
Anyone come to mind?

Oh no, not Him again....He's the one to whom 'religions' have done almost everything possible, to steer people AWAY from, just so THEY could be the answer!...and politically agenda driven morons, push for more government to keep us 'in line', because they fear that if Love could do that, they'd become irrelevant...and we certainly don't want the manipulators of people's lives to FEEL minimized, now do we???
So their control factor incorporates the fear of 'discomfort' or death,......but, shhh, don't tell them, but that has been overcome as well!!

No wonder they hate Him.....He's made them powerless....unless you 'believe' them!!!

So, which is 'the best one'??

Oh, and did I tell you.....HE has NOTHING to do with 'religion'!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 10:51 AM

I bow to the master. I'm not in your league!

I'll never be able to take the piss again. I'm a bloody amateur, that's all I am. You teased me with a worm and spinner, then hooked me and pulled me in.

Congratulations.

Of course I deny getting serious. What do you think this is, Dimbleby style question time? It isn't even the pub. It's a thread on the interwebby thing that has Don being reasonable, You being weird, pete being pete, three of us trying to get the true religion off the ground, a harmonica player with a Gerrard fixation* and a gnome running round shouting Bollocks!

Now... What was it you are trying to analyse?



Don. Point taken. Although I don't think you would get flack from both sides. I doubt anyone has a problem with what people believe, it's what they use to influence others that gets my goat. I believe in Sheffield Wednesday. They are having a crap season, just for a change...., but try telling me they aren't the best team ever and I'll rip your arm off and beat you with the soggy end. May sound trivial compared to heavy issues such as the god concept, but the idea of faith in the face of evidence to the contrary does at least allow me to empathise with people who profess a religious angle to their makeup.

I'm sure Steve thinks similar every time his previous Liverpool get hammered.




* ok. Gerrard put some lovely passes through the other night and scored a captain's goal. If he isn't the squad captain next summer! I'll join the whingers.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 09:32 AM

Not sure I ever said I only posted to crack a joke?

I understood your message:

Neither will get you anywhere I'm afraid. For starters I use a silly nickname for a reason. Sure, everybody knows its Mather doing the typing and those who know Mather are pissing themselves laughing. Mather is too for that matter but I digress.

to that effect ("meant for raising laughter", not necessarily "to crack a joke") - did I get it wrong?

Don (19 Oct 13 - 08:26 AM), I merely want to point out that I do not claim to analyze whole persons. I would not even subscribe to Snail's "schoolyard bullies", but I adhere to "serious emotional problems" (neither meant as an insult nor patronizing). Musket and Steve actually hinted about possible causes on other threads I read, and probably on more that I did not, but I would not bother to dwell on that. Musket will deny having been serious anyway.—

I am sure there are people you have met countless times who haven't got you weighed up either.

I hope so, because I like to say and write what people do not know in advance. Those who are not sure what to reply, are best advised simply to read carefully what I wrote, and ask what they do not understand. (In fact I have been caught pulling people's leg, but hopefully in a manner that is recognized as justifiable.)—

Ceremonies etc.: You opened a couple of new topics. Sorry, I cannot reply at the moment, but I am sure they will be back.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 09:20 AM

I have faith without religion, and for what seems to me a very good reason.

The Deity I believe in is the same one that Christians, Muslims and any other sects, cults or congregations believe in.

Omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, I can communicate at any time, at any place, and in any manner I choose.

Given those facts, I should be getting flak from both sides of the argument, but while religious types regularly knock upon my door with a view to conversion, I have yet to receive a visit fom an Atheist.

Nobody has ever given me a cogent, credible reason for adding a religion to this scenario, it simply isn't relevant to my faith.

I treat people in the way that I would wish to be treated (with occasional lapses), not because it was drummed into me by a priest, Rabbi or Imam, but because I don't relish the idea of making enemies.

Empathy and Charity are common sense concepts which are not the sole province of the religious.

By organising a series of musical events, I helped to raise about £4000 toward needed repairs to a local church steeple.

I did so, not because it meant anything to me per se, but because my best friend is a member of that community and it means something to him, and because it also houses a community centre used by over 600 local people every week.

I don't seek to convert anybody and I am likely to give short shrift to anybody who wishes to convert me, or to interfere in the running of this country.

If priests want to engage in politics, they should stand for election. Otherwise they should stick to the day job, and they should never, under any circumstances, be allowed to teach schoolchildren any other subject than religious education as a comparative subject.

Any religion so insecure in its faith that it will not allow its children to be informed of the existence of other faiths, should not teach in schools at all.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 09:07 AM

Which arguments exactly are you talking about, that I tried to win but lost to your superior reasoning, Steve?

None. You don't lose arguments to my superior reasoning (which is what I have not got), but to your own silly wallowing in the profoundly inferior.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket shaking his head
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 08:27 AM

Christ. I bet you're fun to have to sit next to at a dinner party.

Not sure I ever said I only posted to crack a joke? I may have said that some people deserve no better than others taking the piss out of them, and I gladly supply that service, although whether it is funny or not is highly subjective.

On your final point, I am sure there are people you have met countless times who haven't got you weighed up either.

I don't appreciate CofE ceremonies. I just get nostalgic for tradition and part of my community tradition has been that weddings, funerals and christening are things you book a church for and enjoy it. I enjoyed a Buddhist monk blessing me at a temple in Thailand last week, still got the armband on in fact. Doesn't mean I have any understanding or curiosity over Buddhism. It just means respecting the tradition and making an old dude feel he was being useful. (The 2000B donation may have been more useful, but I digress.)

If I booked a church and it was, as in the case of a christening I went to last year, a modern building with a vicar in a Casual flowery shirt wanting everybody to call him by his first name, drums, guitars and weird beards crying thank you to Jesus every time he opened his mouth, and so called hymns that just chanted "Love Him!" And not a bit of Wesley in it.... Well that's not the church I would be willing to book as it has no tradition or relevance for what I want. The parents were regulars there and so for them, it meant something, but there again, they were Christians so of course it did.

Interestingly, on the wireless this morning there was a story where some magistrates have got together to petition the justice secretary to stop using swearing on the bible (or Q'ran or whatever) when giving evidence as people should be encouraged to be truthful for truth's sake. Interesting discussion, especially the spokesman for some Christian think tank who said it is a non debate as Christians wouldn't recognise the sanctity of the court without it.

Wow... I'm not stupid enough to see him speaking for Christians but you either recognise the sanctity of a court or be in contempt of it, with the resultant criminal sentence. He was giving "Christians" a bad name. But there again, so many flavours, choices, get out clauses and denials that the term Christian is meaningless anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 08:26 AM

""In fact there are many people whom I have met countless times and still do not know why they are the way they are.""

Or more likely the way you perceive them to be,....which may quite possibly be nowhere near to reality!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: TheSnail
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 08:14 AM

It's mildly amusing to see the Two Messiahs and their Henchgnome ganging up on a new victim like the schoolyard bullies they are.

Steve Shaw

Gosh, I go away for a day to climb Dunkery Beacon to visit the site (on what would have been his birthday) where my wonderful father-in-law's ashes were scattered, and what do I find? Why, Snailie Boy/Girl (I knew a girl called Bryan once - a bit dodgy, but hey ho) is still having a go about me and my evolution-is-true truth! Now listen up, trail-of-slime. Here's chapter and verse, you bloody lousy stalker you.

I must admit that, more in exasperation than anger, I did once call Steve Shaw a Muppet when he had come out with something exceptionally stupid.

Bit busy at the moment, more later.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 07:06 AM

Of course I anticipated this kind of reaction, since there have been similar statements before. Therefore, I chose my words carefully.

Someone who has read a psychology book and thinks they have deep personal insights into others psyches by reading a few lines posted on internet forums.

It does not take deep or even shallow personal insights into others' psyches to see that your messages are strongly emotional in a way that cannot be explained with the course of the discussion. I cannot say what is actually wrong with any one you, and it is none of my business.

frustration of losing arguments

Which arguments exactly are you talking about, that I tried to win but lost to your superior reasoning, Steve?

some jokes I seem to be (inadvertently on my part) telling and only brother Gnome laughing

Musket, it was you who wrote that your postings were meant for raising laughter. In another thread, you claimed to be among those who "get to populate the BS section". I would not bet on that, but again, my intention is not to complain, just to answer questions. Also, I cannot analyze whole persons, just single statements like the ones you made about your appreciation of CofE ceremonies - interesting even if exaggerated or just made "for a laugh". In fact there are many people whom I have met countless times and still do not know why they are the way they are.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 05:20 AM

On the subject of jokes, I still smile on remembering an old cartoon in a daily paper, which depicted two lines of people, one containing "believers" of all sorts were being admitted through the "Pearly Gates" into the kingdom of heaven, while the members of the other line which included atheists, agnostics, bankers, etc, were being gleefully forked down into a fiery hell by two little red horned demons.

In the Christian line one pious fellow turns to another and remarks,
"Don't look so bloody smug now, do they?....the bastards!"   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 03:15 AM

I do wish you'd learn to spell Co Messiah Steve.

The word is twat, not twit.

I love being analysed. Really do. Some daft HR bod got it made fashionable to have people in senior management analysed. An industry for quacks such as Myers Briggs and the rest. The real me is a doer apparently with low empathy levels. Strange considering my choice of semi retirement gig but there you go.

So having the odd God botherer preach at me about some jokes I seem to be (inadvertently on my part) telling and only brother Gnome laughing. ....

Oh by the way Grishka. I don't think pete is the perfect specimen. I think him deluded. But I also note he is the only one who doesn't wear his religion as a fashion accessory. I may dismiss him for his take on life but not for any hypocrisy.   Can't say that about everyone who introduces their imaginary friend to the debate. ...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 08:11 PM

The two of you, and other posters, cannot hide their very own absolutely serious emotional problems

Ah yes, how many times have we seen this sort of thing born of the frustration of losing arguments: The "you need help/have you checked your medications/post again when you're sober" syndrome, addressed to people you don't know. This unwise comment marks you out as nothing more than a twit.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 06:45 PM

The two of you, and other posters, cannot hide their very own absolutely serious emotional problems

Ahhhh - Got it now. Someone who has read a psychology book and thinks they have deep personal insights into others psyches by reading a few lines posted on internet forums.

Don't worry, Grishka. You are not the first. You will not be the last. You may be the daftest though :-)

What is the Russian connection, BTW - You probably missed the earlier thread but I am part Russian myself

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 06:14 PM

No, pete, you can't imagine something that exists not having a maker.

If I have faith in anything, I have faith in the scientific method. I also have faith that there's no such thing as absolute truth.

Right, let's stop fucking about and cut to the chase. This nonsense that you spout doesn't come from mainstream Christianity (deluded though I believe that to be) but rather it comes from North American religious fundamentalists - most of whom are right wing politically. These are very dangerous people and you have been brainwashed by them. Get yourself de-programmed, pete - you owe it to yourself!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 03:23 PM

shimrod- I don't suppose you are going to pull yourself out of your - it did itself- hole, either.
there is no evidence for an insufficient nothingness producing anything, but that is your faith position.
I posit that elementary logic tells us that anything that is made must have a sufficient cause.
we can discuss who and of what nature such cause is, after you grant the obvious, most reasonable solution. its a dead end till then.

steve- you are the one with head in sand because like it or not the scientists I refer to are creationists- are scientists.

stu- dunno how you define cherry picking, but if you mean questions that darwinists have no answers for,- guilty as charged.
and if you want a society that disparages the bible you could try north korea or communist china.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 03:17 PM

Possibly.

But there again.

I could be talking bollocks.

Not easy speaking on the level with people who invite their imaginary friend to the debate. I did say something very personal on another thread a while ago to flush out our resident hate monger. I genuinely can't remember if I was being truthful or not though.

Jerk the Sea cadet says I think it is okay to lie to Christians.

In the language he would understand,






Go figure.