BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 May 23 - 07:04 PM

That's Hitlarious spell check.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 12 May 23 - 07:52 PM

I learned there are 50,000 sub-sea volcanos, The eruption at Tonga led to the discovery. While only 10 are active in our lifetime, volcanos will have to be added the the complex global warming equation.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 23 - 08:31 PM

What are you talking about? Only ten? Utter nonsense. As for their impact on climate change, they've been erupting since time immemorial and can't be factored into the discussion on climate change. Unless, of course, you're the kind of charlatan who would rather like to, because it might seem to exonerate the effects of humanity...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 12 May 23 - 10:13 PM

Severe eruptions have drastically lowered global temperatures at least 3 times in the last 2,000 years.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 May 23 - 04:09 AM

How do we know that is true, Donuel? Given your record of making things up, you know that most people will disbelieve it.

And what does it matter if it did anyway given that, in the last 20000 years, temperature on land rose by 1.59°C while over the ocean it rose only by 0.88°C (Source Wikipedia)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 May 23 - 05:34 AM

Mount Pinatubo went off with a VE6 bang (a big one, in other words) on my fortieth birthday in 1991. Global temperatures dropped by about 0.5°C for a year or two. A couple of things. That's quite a drop but it's not drastic, and it was temporary. Second, there are plenty of factors that can affect global temperatures, La Niña and El Niño for example, as well as the state of the atmospheric circulation at the time of things such as eruptions. So who knows whether it was one thing or a combination of things which caused the dip. If we stick to the science we know and avoid sweeping statements, with sensationalist words such as "drastic" left out, we might edge nearer to the truth, eh, Donuel? Oh, and give us your details of those eruptions.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 May 23 - 06:03 AM

Sorry for the typo 20000=2000

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 May 23 - 06:50 AM

Can you lend me £2000, Dave? Just write the cheque in a hurry...   :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 May 23 - 07:23 AM

My favourite eruption of all time is the Campanian Ignimbrite of 40,000 years ago. It left a caldera eight miles across, mostly under the sea these days in the Gulf of Pozzuoli near Naples, about twelve miles from Vesuvius. On land the main bit still left is the Solfatara crater near Pozzuoli. We scared ourselves to death by visiting it in 2013. It's full of fumaroles and boiling mud pools. San Gennaro, the patron saint of Naples, was beheaded there in the fourth century. You can see his bones sticking out of a big urn in the crypt of the Duomo in Naples. The crater has been closed since 2017 following a terrible accident which killed three members of a family when the ground gave way. The whole area is seismically active and Pozzuoli was largely evacuated in the early 1980s when the ground heaved up by two metres. It went down again but a watchful eye is kept. The Campanian Ignimbrite might have chilled the planet by a degree for a year or two and it's been implicated in hastening the demise of the Neanderthals. Sophia Loren came from Pozzuoli. It's good round there!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 23 - 07:48 AM

12 or so years ago I was explaining quantum movement here and referred to this actual experiment that resembled quantum particle waves.
QUANTUM PARTICLE WAVES SEEN WITH HUMAN EYES
Even the peculiar pilot waves can be seen!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 23 - 08:02 AM

Here is a deeper view of the same experiment.oil droplets pm vibrating substrate

What I find most telling of the 'universe' is the vibrating substrate.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 23 - 10:29 AM

For the advanced scientist, this discussion by Maudlin points out the importance of philosophy to point out hidden false assumptions. Once again this is for folks who are willing to go all the way down the rabbit hole. Tim Maudlin

He shows how the particle or wave question covered up the truth that it has always been both. The schools that just tell students to 'shut up and calculate' murder creativity and truth. He even mentions how matter is an emergent state of the energetic substrate of the universe. The concept of field theory began as the notion of an 'ether' in days past.

The question of the deterministic and nondeterministic nature of reality is a favorite of mine and explains a lot pf my POV.

My memory can recreate the words of a past post but can not accurately place a date in time. Basically, you were amused by my description but did not grasp the meaning and implications. Thats OK, no one can grasp the entirety of quantum mechanics. Not even Einstien.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 May 23 - 07:08 PM

So who here are the advanced scientists?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 May 23 - 09:25 AM

Surely a presentation to advanced scientists should not be on a KISS thread anyway. This is supposed to be about making either science or Donuel's thoughts on science easy to understand. Isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 May 23 - 09:39 AM

Just. Ignore. Him.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 May 23 - 11:54 AM

The only thing necessary for the triumph of Mudcat trolls is that good men do nothing :-D

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 14 May 23 - 11:57 AM

He shows how the particle or wave question covered up the truth that it has always been both. The schools that just tell students to 'shut up and calculate' murder creativity and truth

I remember being taught about the dual nature of matter in my A level physics class, back in the 1960s. It's shrouded in the mists of time but the name de Broglie comes to mind. It didn't seem to me that anyone was trying to hide anything.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 May 23 - 01:34 PM

‘Good Men’ don’t seem to be having much of positive effect on him, Dave. Just giving him encouragement.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 23 - 02:49 PM

Few people have the imagination to see reality
Quote: Goethe
I have often thought that humans have not identified all the elementary particles. Almost all the ones we have realized have an antiparticle. The interaction of these elementary sub-particles is what quantum field theory is about.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 May 23 - 02:49 PM

Watching Marvel's "Quantumania'. Makes as much sense as anything on here and is fam more entertaining:-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 23 - 02:50 PM

As Richard Feynman found, anti-particles mathematically could be said to be moving backward in time, not that they actually were, but it was a good tool to incorporate their value in math. There are many such tools to aid understanding. Space for example can be called a field with points of existence. Perturbations in that field can be called waves. These tools for learning are 'made up' but they are agreed upon lies compared to reality. AlsoI suspect there are far more bosons than are in the standard model

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 23 - 03:07 PM

This is the tac I am currently taking to look into an alternative view of dark matter. The Marvel universe incorporates science in their plots. The multiverse is science but it is not a fact.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 23 - 07:06 AM

I wanted to say something about Goethe but we seem to be back to being able to post short things only.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 15 May 23 - 07:55 AM

What's a "tac"? Did you leave out the tic?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 May 23 - 11:43 AM

Reports from the color blind (red-green or all grey scale) are coming in that magic mushrooms enhance color perception from weeks to months.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 May 23 - 12:54 PM

I never knew colour perception was measured in timescales!

I live and learn...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 15 May 23 - 03:25 PM

This is your brain on drugs, to recall an old PSA.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 23 - 05:02 PM

Another try with my Goethe post...

?Hmm. Great man though Goethe undoubtedly was, he was very much up his own bottom when it came to his pronouncements on what he regarded as philosophical matters. There are hundreds of millions of people who not only understand the gritty reality of life but who also have to live it day after day. Sitting in your ivory tower musing about the higher flights of what you regard as reality is, well, just a bit unreal, ironically. A contemporary of Goethe who suffered the privations of chronic ill-health and unrequited love, and who died at a much younger age, produced far greater art than Goethe and never bothered to make high-flown pronouncements about the deficits of his fellow humans. His name was Ludwig van Beethoven. He and Goethe knew each other and didn't get on. I'm not surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 May 23 - 10:56 PM

The tenuous, outermost layer of the solar atmosphere — spike upwards of 2 million degrees Fahrenheit, while just 1,000 miles below, the underlying surface simmers at a balmy 10,000 F.
The reason for this has been discovered. The reason is remarkable.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 May 23 - 08:24 AM

This is the 2018 article from which you extracted your opening line, Donuel. Listening to the talk it seems that the coronal heating problem was put down to either Alfvén waves or nano flares with many scientists thinking that it was a combination of both. The latest news that I can find, from 24 March 2022, is that The Sun's Puzzling Heating Problem Is Closer to Being Solved but still remains a puzzle. Do you have later information?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 23 - 01:09 PM

The breaking and connection of electromagnetic lines of force


In internet parlance, a troll is generally defined as a person who posts abusive, insulting, inflammatory, extraneous, off-topic or digressive messages in an online community.


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An analysis of a very large number of trolls reveals that, contrary to a benign belief, their purpose is not amusement, annoying others, drawing attention, or to disrupt a discussion by a foolish contradiction of common knowledge; rather they are driven by motives that are nothing but sinister.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 23 - 01:43 PM

Trolling, is also a way of demonstrating their numerical strength and thus constitutes an indirect threat that they will prevail by sheer numbers, if not by merit.

That is why the conventional wisdom of not feeding the trolls by simply ignoring them or not responding to them does little to them. Isolated trolls could be ignored, not thousands of them. Moreover, since many of them contain implicit or explicit threats of violence and sexual violence, some of them might need to be reported to the police also.

Personality traits

Many trolls are actually dangerously depraved people because their viciousness is agenda-driven. Whatever they write, they write deliberately, not on impulse, and this puts more purpose into it.

For them the online virtual world is just an extension of the real world where they do horrible things. Dr. Jennifer Golbeck of the University of Maryland writes that trolling is linked with the ‘Dark Tetrad’ of personality traits.


The ‘Dark Triad’ of personality traits is characterised by psychopathy (continuous anti-social behaviour, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits and remorselessness), Machiavellianism (manipulation and exploitation of others, an absence of morality, unemotional callousness, and a higher level of self-interest) and Narcissism (by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy).

Adding sadism (cruel or demeaning behaviour to others, or intentionally inflicts physical, sexual, or psychological pain or suffering on others in order to assert power and dominance or for pleasure and enjoyment) makes up the ‘Dark Tetrad’.

In the early years of online forums, posting insults and profanity was called flaming and its more aggravated form was called “shitposting”. Then there was “hit-and-run posting” where someone posted something offensive and then disappeared.

We also had online shaming and cyberbullying in which targets were publicly humiliated or harassed. It would be a serious mistake to think that trolling of the kind we encounter in India is a virulent form of self-righteousness, as some people believe—they have obviously not seen the muck here.

trolls do not leave any doubt that they hate their targets so much that they would like to do horrible things to them and their ilk. Anonymity on the internet leads to the online toxic disinhibition effect, which makes the darker side of their personality burst forth easily because of pack mentality.

In his article ‘How the internet created an age of rage’, Tim Adams cites Tom Postmes, professor of social and organisational psychology at the universities of Exeter and Groningen.

Postmes says, “Trolls aspire to violence, to the level of trouble they can cause in an environment. They want it to kick off. They want to promote antipathetic emotions of disgust and outrage, which morbidly gives them a sense of pleasure.”

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 May 23 - 01:47 PM

The Alfvén waves are electromagnetic lines of force and have been known about for a long time. They are thought to contribute to the coronal heating problem but do not fully explain it. Nano flares also contribute but again do not fully explain the phenomenon. Experts seem to agree that we are closer to solving the problem but are not there yet.

I shall ask again. Do you have more up to date information?

The rest of your post makes no sense in this context so it is best ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 23 - 02:17 PM

What is new is the revelation that electromagnetic activity happens on a scale that goes down to scales too small for our instruments to resolve. In years past only large lines of force were observed. Assuming a resolution down to atomic scales, the energy-temperature relationship works. A knowledge of the energy increase caused by a twisting of magnetic fields might be applied elsewhere in human exploration.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 May 23 - 04:02 PM

Yes, we know that Don. It is there in both articles I linked. But the phrase you started with is "The reason for this has been discovered". Again, both the article you were quoting from and the one I subsequently linked state quite clearly that the coronal heating problem has NOT been solved yet. The reason has NOT been discovered as far as I can see. For the third time, do you have any information more up to date that March 2022?

I don't know where you copied your long diatribe on trolls from, have no intention of finding who you have plagiarised and have no idea what you hope to achieve by it.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 16 May 23 - 06:09 PM

He's trolling as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 23 - 06:40 PM

In internet parlance, a troll is generally defined as a person who posts abusive, insulting, inflammatory, extraneous, off-topic or digressive messages in an online community.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 23 - 06:47 PM

An 11 foot sea rise was predicted 250 years from now.
That time line could be cut in half or more with the data coming in from the western Antarctic glacier melting.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 23 - 06:59 PM

btw It was discovered the Earth orbits the Sun and not the other way around. It's an oldie but goodie.

Extraneous, off-topic or digressive messages in an online community are trollish in my book.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 May 23 - 07:01 PM

So I guess there is no more up to date information and "The reason for this has been discovered" is not really true then.

Sigh. I really thought you had some new news. You fooled me.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 23 - 07:07 PM

He copied the troll diatribe from The Wire. The article is all about trolling in India and I can't help thinking it was written by a victim. As for "An 11 foot sea rise was predicted 250 years from now" I can't stick around for 250 years waiting for that prediction to be made. On the other hand, I should like to see the modelling that supports that prediction. If conditions on earth worsen to the extent that a sea level rise of that magnitude comes about quickly, we'll have a lot more to worry about than just that.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 03:00 AM

"Extraneous, off-topic or digressive messages in an online community are trollish in my book."

Once again posted with no hint of irony :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 07:33 AM

I find wisdom in anecdotal evidence. Some of the greatest baseball champions have a neurological advantage in seeing fast things in slow motion. Like ear training, it is something many can learn. It can happen in emergencies like witnessing a 90mph car accident. I recall watching a man spill out the back seat as the car started cartwheeling and seeing him slide on his butt down the meridian with wide eyes going 80 mph. As a child, I saw what I called lightning people. In college, I could speed up my vision until the flicker of fluorescent light became individual flashes. These kinds of experiences can be called phenomenology since they are aspects of consciousness. Some things are experiential and not a fact for everyone all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 08:43 AM

I was watching a show called secrets under the ice when the concern about the western Antarctic glaciers melting was shown. It looked kosher to me. I wouldn't buy land in Florida.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 09:06 AM

I used to watch Oscar Levant on the Jack Parr show. I am delighted a play, 'Goodnight Oscar' will reintroduce this genius to the world.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 17 May 23 - 09:10 AM

Real Estate doesn't look like a good long term investment down here but Florida led the nation in immigration last year. I won't be around to see the sequel to the epic flop "Water World" but I pity those who will. Some friends and acquaintances have been pulling up stakes for the mountains of Western North Carolina and I've been thinking of doing that myself.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 17 May 23 - 09:21 AM

Levant played himself in a lukewarm bio pic of his buddy George Gershwin and was the best thing in it, as I recall.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 09:53 AM

Oscar had a love/hate relationship with Gershwin. Levant dreamed of one day rivaling George in composition but his talents were elsewhere, especially on the piano, in movies, and as a raconteur.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 10:11 AM

I admired how his genius shown thru his affectations, tics, addiction, and the mental illness of depression.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 10:29 AM

Extraneous, off-topic or digressive messages in an online community are trollish in my book.

Who was it that said that? I can't remember... :-D